I agree with Jess. This country should be calling for a ceasefire. The practical reality of how that is achieved is another question. How do you deal with two groups of people who want to end each other and living as peaceful neighbours is not on their agendas. That does not change what this country should be asking for. If you dont ask, you dont get.
Jess Phillips is one of the most decent and competent politicians that Labour has. Despite thinking the official policy is well-judged, I appreciate her honest decision. I hope to see her being effective and influential in public policy in a Labour Government.
This is how principled adults act when faced with extremely complex, nuanced issues. Almost like a competent shadow government waiting to take over from the clown show we currently have.
All parties involved made the right decision. Jess voted with her conscience and stuck to her morals and I think her constituents will reward her for that. Keir made the right decision as leader of the opposition to exercise caution (the "humanitarian pause" phrasing is a ceasefire all but in name only). Imagine if Keir came out strongly in favor for a ceasefire just when Corbyn is on live television refusing to condemn Hamas. The right wing media and the Tories would have resurrectted and amplified the "Labour is anti-semitic" rhetoric, resulting in Labour paying a heavy price at the polls. I totally understand Sir Keir's position. He has no choice but to walk a tightrope.
It appears that, regardless of the fact that people are STILL being slaughtered, the absurd conventions of our own parliamentary system still view "voting with one's conscience by sticking to one's morals" as only one of a number of acceptable options.... including pondering the implications of the phrase "humanitarian pause" against those of "ceasefire", or the option of "walking a tightrope". No wonder it's become a circus.
Honestly, this felt like adults compromising and agreeing to disagree but have their values in the right place. We need more of that energy in politics
Even MSF state that a humanitarian pause wouldn't do much because the bombing that would happen after the pause would undo all the humanitarian work. Stating this isn't an extremist point. Thus ceasefire is a key point.
Let us not forget that whilst we are all dancing round with edges, innocents are still dying. A negotiated settlement is all that will ever stop this humanitarian crisis, and that has to start with a ceasefire.
The government can't claim that Rwanda is safe, while simultaneously declaring it a lawless violent hellhole that acts as a deterrent. Pick one definition or the other. Whichever one you pick, the policy is unworkable, as it's either illegal or ineffective.
It's more than just unworkable - it is moronic. Like bailing water from a sinking boat with a sieve. Hundreds of thousands of arrivals, and would a few loaded planes going to make even the tiniest difference? The wasted money going to Rwanda would be 1000x better used ramping up processing asylum claims + hiring immigration officers + going after people smuggling gangs
The tory party are considering pulling out of th ECHR. This should be put to the country in a referendum due to its importance. This needs to need subject to a 60/40 majority as the referendum on Brexit should have been.
John Sopel said this doesn't matter as the opinion of Labour politicians won't change a thing for Israel/Palestine, which is true - BUT it matters to UK citizens /residents that they get to see, how adjusted their representatives' moral compasses are, and their reasons for voting whichever way they did. This matters greatly. On another note, the way Labour / Starmer dealt with this difficult and painful issue * may * just form a kind of blueprint to start to heal the immense rifts in UK society.
You are yet another example of little England. Since 1945 the USA is a Republic Empire, much like Rome. The USA has ideals, but also is involved in realpolitik, just like any empire. When it decides it needs to, the USA can be very brutal. Look at the 1993 aid mission in Somali. In Mogadishu over the course of just TWO days, the US lost 18 dead but killed over 1,500. If the USA was involved in combat the phrase from the river to sea would refer to the Palestinian graveyard.
I used to vote for labour , and I know now that I will NEVER EVER vote for Labour again if Kier Starmer is the labour leader . It is truly shameful and a disgrace to everyone in labour who ever bought in to any of there lies .
He is another corrupt politician. I can not respect anyone that shows this level of hypocrisy and double standard regardless of the reason for it. If you can not condemn murdering 6 children every hour then there is something broken inside of you and you have no business being the leader of the Labour Party.
Well said, I can't even bear to listen to the worm. I shall be out actively supporting the most progressive candidate against the Conservatives and Labour.
Emily - cosy armchair journalist is so detached from the reality of war and suffering - she forgot to mention what Ceasefire meant on behalf of the SNP "attempting to split Labour" !? Ceasefire means - temporary suspend the suffering particularly the very ill, vulnerable and the babies in incubator! But of course in the eyes of the IDF - everyone that moves with a pulse is "potentially Khamas" and even those friggin' small antholes leading into "Khamas tunnels" ...
This was a great video to watch. I am deeply disappointed in Jess Phillips. She has been a solid and smart Labour MP. When Keir Starmer declared that Israel had the right to defend itself, he also means that the UK has the right to defend itself under similar circumstances. That's the type of Foreign Policy leadership the UK needs (please see Mr. Atlee's foreign policy). If a 911 type event happened in the UK, the electorate would expect the military and security services to step in and protect the public from further incident. Ms. Phillips takes the moral high horse view. She would be shouting the loudest for action if a 911 event happened in the UK. Now, she will not shape Labour foreign policy. People are counting on Labour to fix their economic problems. The Middle East is not something Parliament can do anything about nor the Labour party. Israel vs Palestine is not the issue. It is UK security and how would you handle it as a government.
Of course I would expect my government to defend me but I don't think that would include undertaking a vengeful and disproportionate killing spree, mainly of innocent people. As the Secretary General of the UN stated "this ( Oct 7th) didn't happen in a vacuum."
@Dickie2702 800 dead from the start. 200 hostages. Hostages still not free. UK citizens shouldn't have to take that risk under a similar situation. Defending UK citizens is the priority.
@@colinthompson3111 are you aware that Israel has doubled the amount of Palestinians detained in the West Bank, mostly without charge, since Oct 7th? The Kneset has just passed legislation, last Wednesday, to reduce the mandatory 3.5sq mtrs per prisoner due to over crowding. 4,000 Palestineans alone have been incarcerated under the Ilegal Combatents Law, their crime, they were working in Israel at the time of the October 7th attack. Deaths in the West Bank have gone up from their 'usual' 3-4 a day to close to 10. What happened on October 7th was appauling but measured against the suffering of Palestineans for the last 75 years, not so much. If you think that Israel will eliminate Hamas, think again, these people are without hope, they will continue to resist the best way they can.
@Dickie2702 I don't think anything you describe. It isn't an Israeli vs Palestinian argument. UK security is the concern. That is supposed to be the priority for UK MPs.
@hiromiw649 You might want to check with your Serbian friends. Their country was bombed by NATO. Serbia is in Europe, I believe. On 911, Canadians and Americans had Fortress North America attacked by planes. Violent Scenarios in which people are killed are usually war gamed by governments around the world. If a 911 type of event happens in the UK, you will be confronting the same situation Israel has to deal with. Keir Starmer's initial reaction was correct, and Jess Phillips, unfortunately, didn't think it through. 😕
I WILL NEVER , EVER VOTE FOR LABOUR AGAIN ESPECIALLY IF KIER STARMER IS LEADER. Until they completely change the path they gone on with not calling for a ceasefire then they will not get my vote nor any of those in my family or friends . That’s for sure .
Appears a large amount of money has been collected to support anyone who will stand against Starmer at the general election. Raised amongst people who have left or been expelled from the party. Not only money but the promise to come and stump for the candidate
It was certainly a wrong tactical move by Starmer IMHO. He’d have been wiser to have allowed a free vote. Will he be forgiven? To be honest I think the Tories are so far behind that voters want change, regardless of this issue.
@@mrD66M It was Toby Jessel who was our local MP who actually coined that phrase back in the 1990s. Cameron signed an agreement with some fellow european Tory countries which was designed to tie us in (counterpats), with The EU forever. Even though most in europe want they're countries back.
I have a friend who is half pakistani but she is not a dragon from Ireland and her name isn't Jess. Have you actually put a stop to anything bad happening in the world yourself?
If only he showed he had resolution and backbone on the morally correct positions he sold the labour party members on when he was campaigning to be leader rather than showing "resolution and backbone" by being completely in thrall to Biden's positioning.
Hold on! This is false - Starmer's own, preferred 'amendnent' was virtually identical to the SNPs apart from the call for an 'enduring cessation of fighting' which is far better than a ceasefire which by definition is temporary. The original SNP anendment seems to have disappeared from search engines, was obviously a ploy to try to split Labour. Disgusting behaviour all round.
speaking for myself i have been extremely disappointed in keir. as a long time labour supporter, "IF" i see that the lib dems have a chance i will vote for them.
Tbh i don't think it was damaging, he allowed everyone to vote their conscience, and tbh being a scot imo the SNP are losing a lot of support in Scotland and Labour may reap the rewards here.
Jess is a decent and genuine person, we could do with more folk like her in parliment
I agree with Jess. This country should be calling for a ceasefire. The practical reality of how that is achieved is another question. How do you deal with two groups of people who want to end each other and living as peaceful neighbours is not on their agendas. That does not change what this country should be asking for. If you dont ask, you dont get.
If the other six hundred plus MPs were like Jess, what a great Parliament it would be.
Is your point that we wouldn't have a parliament if that was the case?
Jess Phillips is one of the most decent and competent politicians that Labour has. Despite thinking the official policy is well-judged, I appreciate her honest decision. I hope to see her being effective and influential in public policy in a Labour Government.
This is how principled adults act when faced with extremely complex, nuanced issues. Almost like a competent shadow government waiting to take over from the clown show we currently have.
People like Jess and Rory Stewart are badly needed in politics
They are unemployable outside of this programme…….
This episode was 37 minutes of advanced political science that made sense.
Thanks for posting.
All parties involved made the right decision. Jess voted with her conscience and stuck to her morals and I think her constituents will reward her for that. Keir made the right decision as leader of the opposition to exercise caution (the "humanitarian pause" phrasing is a ceasefire all but in name only). Imagine if Keir came out strongly in favor for a ceasefire just when Corbyn is on live television refusing to condemn Hamas. The right wing media and the Tories would have resurrectted and amplified the "Labour is anti-semitic" rhetoric, resulting in Labour paying a heavy price at the polls. I totally understand Sir Keir's position. He has no choice but to walk a tightrope.
It appears that, regardless of the fact that people are STILL being slaughtered, the absurd conventions of our own parliamentary system still view "voting with one's conscience by sticking to one's morals" as only one of a number of acceptable options.... including pondering the implications of the phrase "humanitarian pause" against those of "ceasefire", or the option of "walking a tightrope". No wonder it's become a circus.
Honestly, this felt like adults compromising and agreeing to disagree but have their values in the right place. We need more of that energy in politics
In the mean time thousands of people are dying for Gods sake ..We know Netanyahu might end up in court it will be too late.
Everyone understands that. How to get there is the question.
Labour have absolutely lost me. History will not remember these morally bankrupt politicians well. A matter of conscience should be a free vote.
Even MSF state that a humanitarian pause wouldn't do much because the bombing that would happen after the pause would undo all the humanitarian work. Stating this isn't an extremist point. Thus ceasefire is a key point.
Let us not forget that whilst we are all dancing round with edges, innocents are still dying. A negotiated settlement is all that will ever stop this humanitarian crisis, and that has to start with a ceasefire.
The government can't claim that Rwanda is safe, while simultaneously declaring it a lawless violent hellhole that acts as a deterrent.
Pick one definition or the other.
Whichever one you pick, the policy is unworkable, as it's either illegal or ineffective.
It's more than just unworkable - it is moronic.
Like bailing water from a sinking boat with a sieve. Hundreds of thousands of arrivals, and would a few loaded planes going to make even the tiniest difference? The wasted money going to Rwanda would be 1000x better used ramping up processing asylum claims + hiring immigration officers + going after people smuggling gangs
Great Interviews. Thank you for posting them😊
Jess a true star.
The tory party are considering pulling out of th ECHR. This should be put to the country in a referendum due to its importance. This needs to need subject to a 60/40 majority as the referendum on Brexit should have been.
John Sopel said this doesn't matter as the opinion of Labour politicians won't change a thing for Israel/Palestine, which is true - BUT it matters to UK citizens /residents that they get to see, how adjusted their representatives' moral compasses are, and their reasons for voting whichever way they did. This matters greatly.
On another note, the way Labour / Starmer dealt with this difficult and painful issue * may * just form a kind of blueprint to start to heal the immense rifts in UK society.
Was he ever strong? I've never felt inspired or motivated by him in the least.
Starmer should have given them a free vote. Another sign he could lose votes.
You are yet another example of little England. Since 1945 the USA is a Republic Empire, much like Rome. The USA has ideals, but also is involved in realpolitik, just like any empire. When it decides it needs to, the USA can be very brutal. Look at the 1993 aid mission in Somali. In Mogadishu over the course of just TWO days, the US lost 18 dead but killed over 1,500. If the USA was involved in combat the phrase from the river to sea would refer to the Palestinian graveyard.
I used to vote for labour , and I know now that I will NEVER EVER vote for Labour again if Kier Starmer is the labour leader . It is truly shameful and a disgrace to everyone in labour who ever bought in to any of there lies .
The fact this country will be governed by either Sunak or Starmer is beyond depressing.
When do you run for PM
He is another corrupt politician. I can not respect anyone that shows this level of hypocrisy and double standard regardless of the reason for it. If you can not condemn murdering 6 children every hour then there is something broken inside of you and you have no business being the leader of the Labour Party.
Well said, I can't even bear to listen to the worm. I shall be out actively supporting the most progressive candidate against the Conservatives and Labour.
Jess for Prime Minster !!
Emily - cosy armchair journalist is so detached from the reality of war and suffering - she forgot to mention what Ceasefire meant on behalf of the SNP "attempting to split Labour" !?
Ceasefire means - temporary suspend the suffering particularly the very ill, vulnerable and the babies in incubator!
But of course in the eyes of the IDF - everyone that moves with a pulse is "potentially Khamas" and even those friggin' small antholes leading into "Khamas tunnels" ...
This was a great video to watch. I am deeply disappointed in Jess Phillips. She has been a solid and smart Labour MP. When Keir Starmer declared that Israel had the right to defend itself, he also means that the UK has the right to defend itself under similar circumstances. That's the type of Foreign Policy leadership the UK needs (please see Mr. Atlee's foreign policy). If a 911 type event happened in the UK, the electorate would expect the military and security services to step in and protect the public from further incident. Ms. Phillips takes the moral high horse view. She would be shouting the loudest for action if a 911 event happened in the UK. Now, she will not shape Labour foreign policy. People are counting on Labour to fix their economic problems. The Middle East is not something Parliament can do anything about nor the Labour party. Israel vs Palestine is not the issue. It is UK security and how would you handle it as a government.
Of course I would expect my government to defend me but I don't think that would include undertaking a vengeful and disproportionate killing spree, mainly of innocent people. As the Secretary General of the UN stated "this ( Oct 7th) didn't happen in a vacuum."
@Dickie2702 800 dead from the start. 200 hostages. Hostages still not free. UK citizens shouldn't have to take that risk under a similar situation. Defending UK citizens is the priority.
@@colinthompson3111 are you aware that Israel has doubled the amount of Palestinians detained in the West Bank, mostly without charge, since Oct 7th? The Kneset has just passed legislation, last Wednesday, to reduce the mandatory 3.5sq mtrs per prisoner due to over crowding. 4,000 Palestineans alone have been incarcerated under the Ilegal Combatents Law, their crime, they were working in Israel at the time of the October 7th attack. Deaths in the West Bank have gone up from their 'usual' 3-4 a day to close to 10. What happened on October 7th was appauling but measured against the suffering of Palestineans for the last 75 years, not so much. If you think that Israel will eliminate Hamas, think again, these people are without hope, they will continue to resist the best way they can.
@Dickie2702 I don't think anything you describe. It isn't an Israeli vs Palestinian argument. UK security is the concern. That is supposed to be the priority for UK MPs.
@hiromiw649 You might want to check with your Serbian friends. Their country was bombed by NATO. Serbia is in Europe, I believe.
On 911, Canadians and Americans had Fortress North America attacked by planes.
Violent Scenarios in which people are killed are usually war gamed by governments around the world.
If a 911 type of event happens in the UK, you will be confronting the same situation Israel has to deal with. Keir Starmer's initial reaction was correct, and Jess Phillips, unfortunately, didn't think it through. 😕
Keir Starmer has weakened Keir Starmer.
Dare I ask who you'd rather be the next PM?
I WILL NEVER , EVER VOTE FOR LABOUR AGAIN ESPECIALLY IF KIER STARMER IS LEADER.
Until they completely change the path they gone on with not calling for a ceasefire then they will not get my vote nor any of those in my family or friends . That’s for sure .
It's not complicated. That lack of complexity will be very apparent when Sir Keir falls into line behind Sleepy Joe
Sleepy Joe …Dementia is my diagnosis
Appears a large amount of money has been collected to support anyone who will stand against Starmer at the general election. Raised amongst people who have left or been expelled from the party. Not only money but the promise to come and stump for the candidate
@@davken692 the idea is to get rid of the red tory. The blue tory is already dead meat
The point is as with Starmer ,who wants a leader who is persuaded by money !
It was certainly a wrong tactical move by Starmer IMHO. He’d have been wiser to have allowed a free vote. Will he be forgiven? To be honest I think the Tories are so far behind that voters want change, regardless of this issue.
I think you hit the nail on the head when you said: To be honest there messer.
Starmer came with collective punishment is supported…hes been paying that price since
Can you imagine this lot actually in government.
Yes. Absolutely.
Can you imagine if Great Britain votes for this lot and you're no longer fed?
@@DarrenJamiesonJamieson To be fair it is almost impossible to get a table at a decent restaurant on a Saturday night already.
@@DarrenJamiesonJamiesongrow your own vegetables
Tories say constantly people should not expect handouts
@@mrD66M It was Toby Jessel who was our local MP who actually coined that phrase back in the 1990s. Cameron signed an agreement with some fellow european Tory countries which was designed to tie us in (counterpats), with The EU forever. Even though most in europe want they're countries back.
I love Jess Phillips.
I have a friend who is half pakistani but she is not a dragon from Ireland and her name isn't Jess. Have you actually put a stop to anything bad happening in the world yourself?
If only he showed he had resolution and backbone on the morally correct positions he sold the labour party members on when he was campaigning to be leader rather than showing "resolution and backbone" by being completely in thrall to Biden's positioning.
Is this the same as one of last weeks episodes ? same title same description slow news day ?
Yea I think there was a mistake because ths previous video did not cover anything about Labour.
Keir who?
Keir Starmer will need to show more respect to Scotland , If he wants to be Prime Minister of GB
Lets elect labour but ensure Skier looses his own seat.
Middle class drivel.
Why has no one tabled a motion that “urges Israel to pay increased vigilance with regard to civilian casualties in its pursuit of Hamas”
Hold on! This is false - Starmer's own, preferred 'amendnent' was virtually identical to the SNPs apart from the call for an 'enduring cessation of fighting' which is far better than a ceasefire which by definition is temporary. The original SNP anendment seems to have disappeared from search engines, was obviously a ploy to try to split Labour. Disgusting behaviour all round.
speaking for myself i have been extremely disappointed in keir.
as a long time labour supporter, "IF" i see that the lib dems have a chance i will vote for them.
He was always a weak leader in my opinion voted for the green party instead of labour 😍
Tbh i don't think it was damaging, he allowed everyone to vote their conscience, and tbh being a scot imo the SNP are losing a lot of support in Scotland and Labour may reap the rewards here.
You're fumbling for the word: it's become a fetish!
We know who you are.