Here’s the list of products reviewed. More details in the video description. Thank you! Lincoln: amzn.to/3Gb10vT (new model) Hone: amzn.to/3HFhwVT Ssimder: amzn.to/3VxK75t Yeswelder: amzn.to/42mcIN5 S7: amzn.to/3VLawNj Deko: amzn.to/3p9m8gH Titanium: available at Harbor Freight
@@ProjectFarm looked on your channel but couldn’t find one. Maybe I didn’t look hard enough but a Video on silicone spray? Want to spray some on my suspension parts to stop squeaks. I see many brands but don’t know which is the best and last longest for the job. Thank you!!
@@ProjectFarm I welled like a pro for years. I used a 220V gas Lincoln( and others) and its much better then the 120V HB Flux welder. The Lincoln welds smoother, hotter, thicker marerals, stronger welds
I am a retired engineer, and I see a lot of people test things on RUclips in dumb ways. Your channel is not one of those. Thanks for all of the effort that you put in to make these comparisons scientifically meaningful.
@@teddysurf True RMS is absolutely mandatory for testing welder current, especially that of inverter machines. The meter he used is true RMS, albeit a cheap one.
@@James1095 is it a true RMS because most of the trms amp metes have “TRMS” printed on the meter and I don’t see it on this one? The reason I asked, is because I just bought a relatively cheap amazon Chinese welders and was in the market for a clamp meter and came across a video about true RMS vs average.
@@teddysurf I looked up the model number and the feature comparison chart on Amazon shows TRMS for that model. Is that accurate though? Who knows. Even if it is TRMS it's worth checking the specs because even most of those have limits on frequency and waveform so it still may not read correctly on an inverter welder.
It's great having a professional welder do the inspection. Makes for an even more thorough review. Thanks Joe we appreciate your input more than you can imagine.
Your objective take and analysis makes you subjectively the absolute king and my go to source before buying anything. Don’t ever stop what you’re doing!
Thank you Joe for assisting in the testing. All of us out here greatly appreciate Project Farm and all the hard work that goes into this channel. ~ Chuck
@@ProjectFarm You do know that you have the best educational channel on RUclips right? Before I purchase anything for my shop, I always search for it on your channel to see if you've done a test comparison on that particular tool. You have literally helped out 10s of thousand of us men or more make the right decisions on what not to buy for our next project. Every guy I know watches your channel. Keep up the hard work Project Farm and thank you for all you do. P.S. THANKS JOE!!
I don't usually comment on any videos, but I have to say I've been watching you for ages and I can't even put into perspective the amount of appreciation I have for your tests that are done as scientifically and fairly as possible. It doesn't even stop at just fair comparisons, the actual qualitative information you measure and document and condense and present it's just honestly, the pinnacle of content creation in my opinion. So much work goes into all of your videos and I know there's slim chance you'll see this but I love watching every single one when I get a chance. I've learnt a hell of a lot, so huge thank you 🫶 keep up the amazing work.
Joe’s thorough, concise, and down to earth way of analyzing the welds is right on target. I’m about 5 years into Aerospace fabrication and design and I can tell you I wish I worked with Joe.
Other people have praised your scientific method but I’d like to add on the editing. As fast as possible to convey as much information as possible, while never being too fast. No time padding nonsense. Great stuff
40 plus years as a professional Welder. You get what you pay for . Joe's high skill and experience was obvious. Great Report. Thank You. Valuable and Useful Information.
Joe, I just wanted to let you know how much i appreciated your help with this production. I myself dabble in the arts of metalwork and know well enough how difficult it can be to put yourself away to assist with an endeavor like this. your aid and assistance has proven to me and all of man kind that there is still a chance that humanity as we know it has not yet been lost. I love you joe.
I'm a hobbyist welder at the moment and this explains the issues I'm having with my cheap SMAW welder. I'm actually surprised how much of a difference there is. Thank you! Also, thank you to Joe for the expert POV!
As a 20 years full-time professional welder who has always worked with big expensive machines like 5-10K$ Fronius/Lincoln/Miller, I didn't know that great "cheap" welders like the Harbor Freight Titanium were a thing. Another awesome video, and thanks to Joe! Subjective input from a professional on how the welders behave is invaluable.
Joe did great. Only a skilled welder can accurately do test pieces for a welder review. Many thanks to Joe for yet another great batch of product reviews.
I think the channel can benefit greatly from some subject matter experts like Joe. Having the raw test data is a really good thing, however, having the thoughts and input from the experts can provide Insight that may not be measurable. Well done guys!
Yeah I second this as welders in particular are a bit of a difficult area to do unless a proper welder checks them out on the practical end. It was nice to see the testing show what is better for small projects and short welds.
Thank you, Joe!!! You've hitched your wagon to the best YT DIY channel on the planet and it is much appreciated by the viewers. Trustworthy and unbiased contributions from professionals and master craftsman such as yourself see to it that everyday DIY folks can tackle projects safely without breaking the bank or wasting money in inferior and inefficient tools. MUCH appreciated.
As a life long Miller welder user, the Titanium line is fantastic for the price. Their duty cycles are usually better than the more expensive Vulcan welders too. Been running the Titanium multi process off 240V for close to 4 years now with almost daily welding and it just runs and runs never hitting the duty cycle or losing arc integrity at all. HIGHLY recommend!
@@campbellpaul Not sure. I know the comparable Miller is over $3k and only comes with the MIG leads, they make you buy the stick and TIG leads separate!
Thanks Joe!! As a welding engineer, this was an excellent video comparing cheap welders to each other. Another test I would recommend doing for the MIG video would be welding for at least 4hrs with the welder at the highest settings. Some of those cheap welders give up after 2hrs of use with high current because their electronics are not meant to sustain high current for more than a few minutes at a time. Please do not waste the money on tool truck welders. They are rebranded Lincoln or Miller welders, with less features and less knowledgeable people to help troubleshoot them.
With that said, if you are a simple hobby user, like you would only use it for a few mins at a time here and there, then its DEF worth it to save the money. You could buy several before you spend the amount on a higher end one.
Good thorough test. It's worth mentioning that the clamp meter has to be capable of measuring DC current with the clamp as many only measure AC current. Thankfully the DC clamp meters are much more common now.
Good to see ya, Clive! He's right! My RadioShack meter would do DC, but I found it hard to find others to do it at the time. Definitely something to keep in mind.
Wire feed welding is not at all difficult to learn. In the past couple of years I had to learn wire feed aluminum welding for my job in auto body. At 65 it's a bit of an old dog new trick thing. If you can stick or gas weld you will find wire feed a piece of cake.
Wire welding is a lot easier to pick up than stick welding is. The welder feeds the wire for you. You still have to do a bit of testing before you weld what you want to to get your settings good.
This was a very comprehensive shoot out among these welders, based on the welders merits. and I like that you pointed out the welders that were tig compatible. I worked at a muffler shop and got pretty good with the MiG welders. and used an ARC welder some before along with an acetylene torch. and now I would like to try out my hand at TIG welding. so again thanks for that information. and thank you Joe with your massive welding skills. for showing us what these machines can and can't do. and for your valuable advice. those were some fantastic beads you laid down for sure.
Thanks Joe! This is an amazing channel by itself, and with your expert assistance you've allowed it to extend into a tool I've wanted to see for a long time. It's clear that your skilled hands gave each of these machines its best chance, and it's enlightening to see how they stacked up. I hope you'll make another appearance :)
As someone who has been welding for 8 years I think this was some quality information being put out. I’d love to see a battery powered 4 1/2 inch grinder test. I’m pretty sure you did a corded test some years ago but with the technology in batteries I think they are gaining popularity as an option
@@Blakehx I’ve been thinking about the Milwaukee cordless die grinder set because I have tons of those little batteries already. That price tag hurts to look at 😂
I am definitely interested in seeing mig welders tested against one another. Miller, Lincoln, Everlast, and titanium as well as whatever other brands you see fit. Thank you for a great video!
Thanks to Joe for providing his input on these welding tests! And even though I am not a welder at all, I'd love to see some comparisons of different types of welders, too! This channel is a fantastic resource. Whenever I need to purchase anything - hand tools, power tools, adhesives, pretty much anything - one of my first steps is checking whether Project Farm has a relevant video. TL;DR: thanks, and maybe someday I'll find a topic you haven't covered that I can suggest you test haha
@@DDSigo Oh, you're not, by far. ProjectFarm is the most concise, most well tested channel online, period. Todd does a fantastic job of it, and it shows. Thousands of folks swear by his findings and buy accordingly.
Having a pro, such as Joe, test and evaluate a product that REQUIRES expertise to achieve optimal results is a MAJOR enhancement to your tests. Thanks Joe! Based on what little welding I've done, I know it requires a lot of experience to consistently achieve good results. That Lincoln welder is on my Christmas wish list! A friend bought a Lincoln welder and a week's worth of classes at Lincoln's factory. He also toured the Lincoln factory. He said that Lincoln sources virtually nothing from other suppliers. Instead, they choose to make almost everything themselves. They do this to ensure the quality of everything meets their standards. This even includes making the wire used in their transformers. Nice move!
Impressive and admirable to see companies go to this extent to ensure not only a quality product, but provide knowledgeable and safe use product training. Even the experts benefit from refreshing the basics every now and again.
Thanks Joe for your professional help with this test. Todd, thank you for just solidifying yet again the validity of your channel. Your skills as a fabricator and designer are “very impressive” with all of your test jigs you fashion. But even with that, it is also very impressive to see you know when your limitations might hinder results. So instead of being to prideful and doing it yourself you call in an expert. Thanks for keeping this channel true and factual!
It's comments from someone like Joe that really helps a person understand the results. Great job Todd and Joe, I hope Joe helps you out on the next welding video!
A thank you to Joe for his great effort to help PF. I look forward to a new test on MiG and TIG welders. Thank you PF for your great channel. The tests and methods are a real benefit for a home gamer like myself.
Thanks Joe for lending your expertise to PF; having an expert run the actual welds and offer feedback on each machine really helps us viewers make informed buying decisions. I have the Titanium Stick 225 and have found it to be an excellent machine for DIY projects and repairing farm equipment. Thanks to PF for yet another excellent and informative video. 👍
I scrolled way down to see if I had made a comment already - I don't see one... so well done, brother! thank you for the objective analysis, and the many test processes that you put each welder through. The comments by Joe were hard to follow because he was speaking with 'industry-lingo' which other journeymen welders would understand, but a novice wouldn't follow so well. The simple spreadsheet at the end detailing your results for the combined tests were great! Thank you for the work you put in to this. Hartley [garden grove, CA usa]
I love this channel so much! Thank you for dealing with all the hassle and fuss and costs, not to mention the editing and filming. It takes a lot of work and I just want you to know you are so appreciated!
Great video thanks Joe! Its cool to see harbor freight performing well in these tests almost like they're actually paying attention to what their custimers want.
The HF welders have been pretty good for a while. You’re right that they have been paying attn to what the customers want because they have been getting better and better.
@@chadhowell1328 yep. I picked up the titanium 125 for repairs around the property and im really impressed with how it welds. Especially compared to the old AC Chicago electric 90 amp flux core welder.
Wow, fantastic channel ! These are the tests that we want ! These videos are full of technical specs. The tests done, test more things than I would have imagined. The videos get to the point and don't waste time with filler content. I love your work, keep up the fantastic work !
Joe helped this test really shine. It's so odd seeing the results actually reflect almost perfectly "You get what yoy pay for" because usually the only real standouts are the cheapest for being mediocre and the most expensive for being overkill for most people.
@@Zanthorr I only tackle small projects. I'm not building bridges over here. I never need more than about 90 amps or so to do the welding I do. The last weld job I did I saved my garden cart rims. They were all rust rotted out. It came out OK. Was pretty thin metal I was working with. Replacing them would have been very expensive. I even patched up the steel tubes on it some. It'll be good for a while to come. I think I was running about 30 amps or so. I used really skinny electrodes too.
Straight up awesome ❤!!! And yes definitely thank you for the great welding examples. I was thinking about repurchasing and welder because I had lost my big welder to my boss for 600 bucks I got screwed there. However I'm back in the market for another good welder I'm not sure if I should get sick or Mig. Because I'm not exactly sure what I want to create. But it will be with angle iron. I definitely had to come back to this video to help with decision making. Thank you very very much
Honest testing of equipment is a breath of fresh air. Thank you again. Yes I would really like to see a face off on Multiprocess welders or plasma cutters.
Thank you for giving us honest reviews and advice! You have definitely influenced my decisions. Also big thanks to Joe for coming out to give a hand. :D
Thanks Joe! Appreciate the time you took to help. Please keep these welding tests coming very very interested! Would like to see more comparisons and tests. Great video!
Thanks Joe and Todd. What a great resource as usual. As a hobbyist this really helps me decide what first steps I might take with a welder purchase. Thank you
You are a national treasure! Your unbiased and informative videos are straight to the point with no extra bs! Genuinely, thank you so much for all you do for us!
Thanks for collaborating with Project Farm Joe! As you can see by the comments everyone finds a lot of value and entertainment in your videos. Great job as always!
My first welder was buzz box. I learned everything I could. I then moved to 70 dollar klutch. Bought the tig leads for it. Practiced every single day after work running beads up down sideways every direction. I would buy coupons to practice on from this metal supply company. After about 6 months I moved to a 2k dollar Everlast that does everything ac/dc foot pedal multiple settings saves(pulse/fade in/out etc) And id spent the next 6 months only running aluminum). I love welding and I'm 100 percent self taught 😎 you can do anything you put your mind too.
Self taught, eh? No youtube videos, instruction manuals, etc...? I mean, kudos on learning, welding is one of the most useful skills to have. I took it in highschool all four years
@@daltondenun858 noooo my friend I dig swimming pools. But I can fix anything if it breaks. If you want to become a welder for a job.. I'd definitely take courses. There's A LOT that self taught misses.
Thanks for the comparison! I have always used Lincoln welders and have a 20 years old SP135 which still works amazingly for me. I laughed at the "plasma event" on the cheap non-protected Ssimder welder when it failed during the endurance test. Thanks to Joe for his welding assistance for this test!
Thanks Joe! But also thanks to @ProjectFarm for continuing to set and achieve such a high standard for reviews. Huge shoutout for bringing in another expert to help with this review - it truly demonstrates how good you are at this.
Welding is one of those skills I have been wanting to just learn for years so this is probably one of the single most important videos you have put out for me personally recently. Here's hoping that Joe can help you help us amateurs in picking out good tools to start off with.
I took welding in vocational high school for two years. One of the best things I ever did. Made traction bars for my 4x4 and a pipe bumper in high school. Fabricated and installed a trailer hitch for my math teacher and it got me an A in his class. Never had a specific welding job but did it in all my jobs at some point when they found out I could weld. I’ve fabricated stuff for employers and personal projects just from an idea in my head. Bull countless items. It’s a great skill to know so I highly recommend you go for it. Never a bad thing to invest in yourself.
With stick welding a lot of it is down to technique. The angle of the rod, the arc gap and how fast you travel. If you can get all of that right you can get good beads. Joe managed it even with these cheap welders. But that's because Joe knows how to weld. If he could have adjusted the current he'd have done even better.
buy a hobart, Dont learn on a garbage machine. You will learn the most with an accurate machine. trying to learn on a cheap welder will only fck things up more
@@loveforthegame3 not everyone learns the same way. I am not sure how accuracy is going to help anyone considering the varied nature of the welding process. It's not all bench welding out in the real world.
Thank you Joe! More welder reviews please! It is absolutely expensive and by you doing the apples to apples comparison, that improves everyones confidence in their product purchases. Thank you Todd! ❤
Perfect timing, I am in the market for a small reliable welder than can run 6011 and 7018 rod. My decades old monster sized Lincoln didn't survive my last move. After watching this excellent review, I am learning towards the Titanium. Thank you very much!
Have you called your local welding supply store to see if it can be repaired? Even if you don’t want it anymore, you might be able to get it repaired for not much money and the sell it
@christians131 it was very old and having problems, so no. I only do occasional welding now, a small one like this is perfect for me now. Plus I can take it with me when we go to the races.
I am brand new to welding, but I own the HF Stick 225, and it has been great. I have run 3/32 6011, 6013, and 7018 rods without issue. Unless you need it right away, don't pay the full price. Just wait for a coupon.
My father was a master welder for Chicago Bridge & Iron back on the day and his team built water towers and bridges across rivers. I remember him having a welder at home that he used to repair things that neighbors needed repaired. I never had a desire to weld but love to watch those with the skills. Thank you Joe for your assistance in this video.
As a community college welding instructor working i get asked all the time about what inexpensive welder i would recommend. I've generally suggested the Harbor Freight Titanium and Vulcan but it's nice to know that there are some even more inexpensive welders that are reasonable options. considering I own the lincoln 210mp it was nice to get a little bit of verification that my money wasn't completely misspent. :)
I also teach welding at a community College. I have a student who brought in a prime weld, it has CK accessories and I was rather impressed with how it welded for the price. If I had the money though, I would definitely buy the ESAB 205i, very impressed with that.
I just got a question, if I buy a welder and run it at 110 volt like from a normal garage outlet, a Welder will not melt the cables in the walls/trip the circuit breaker?
@@Momoka7Not if the breaker is properly sized for gauge of wire. It will trip before it melts. 14 gauge wire needs a 15 amp breaker, 12 gauge wire a 20 amp breaker. You want bare minimum 20 amp circuit for a 110 welder. I got a titanium flux core welder that runs on 110 outlet and it works great
The breaker is there to prevent the wires from melting/killing someone. If the breaker matches or exceds the amps that said welder will pull then it wont trip it. Assuming it was wired properly the wires should be fine for the amp draw.
Yes more welding videos please. Would love to see multiprocess ones. We need and know what these trusted tests you Project Farm do for us. Thank you again PF!
I was very surprised how well a under 100 dollar welder would work. .Of course it helps to have Joe,who is a professional.This was a very informative video! You do quality reviews and I really appreciate your unbiased facts,giving the consumer options, to purchase the best, for the different price points.Thank you Joe and Project Farm
I have really been thinking about purchasing an inexpensive stick welder for basic jobs in the home workshop so this review has been incredibly helpful, thanks to you as always for the perfect no-nonsense approach with great insight! And thanks to Joe of course for his skill and expertise in making it happen.
Thank you, Joe! It’s great to have someone who understands welding, performs great tests on welds, etc. And the quality of your welds tells me that I need to keep practicing!!
Thank you Joe! I'm glad to see a professional help us understand the welds. Thank you Project Farm for showing everything without bias and linking the welders!
Thanks, Joe! Thank you for this video. I find the results surprising overall. I have always used Lincoln and Miller machines but my Dad recently bought a small Titanium MIG machine and has had an Everlast multi-process for a few years. He has been impressed by both after a lifetime of running Lincoln and Miller machines. A comparison of some other machines would be useful in addition to plasma since we just had a Hypertherm die.
Thank you Joe please do more of these welders if possible. I'm actually impressed with the deko for it's price it seemed like the best all around stick welder I'm in the market for one to play with around the house and it seemed to do all I would want it to do
Here’s the list of products reviewed. More details in the video description. Thank you!
Lincoln: amzn.to/3Gb10vT (new model)
Hone: amzn.to/3HFhwVT
Ssimder: amzn.to/3VxK75t
Yeswelder: amzn.to/42mcIN5
S7: amzn.to/3VLawNj
Deko: amzn.to/3p9m8gH
Titanium: available at Harbor Freight
@Project Farm I researched but did not find a comparison of the hand held welders just giving you an idea thanks again for the share
Thank you, Joe! It's great to have an expert supporting what's already the best tool-testing channel there is!
You are welcome!
@@ProjectFarm looked on your channel but couldn’t find one. Maybe I didn’t look hard enough but a
Video on silicone spray? Want to spray some on my suspension parts to stop squeaks. I see many brands but don’t know which is the best and last longest for the job. Thank you!!
@@ProjectFarm I welled like a pro for years. I used a 220V gas Lincoln( and others) and its much better then the 120V HB Flux welder. The Lincoln welds smoother, hotter, thicker marerals, stronger welds
@@ProjectFarm hopefully Joe will never be substituted by Kuka robot run by GPT4
@@Kawka1122 🤣
I am a retired engineer, and I see a lot of people test things on RUclips in dumb ways. Your channel is not one of those. Thanks for all of the effort that you put in to make these comparisons scientifically meaningful.
Thanks so much!
So here’s a question as a retired engineer would a true RMS clamp meter have been a better way to test the amperage?
@@teddysurf True RMS is absolutely mandatory for testing welder current, especially that of inverter machines. The meter he used is true RMS, albeit a cheap one.
@@James1095 is it a true RMS because most of the trms amp metes have “TRMS” printed on the meter and I don’t see it on this one? The reason I asked, is because I just bought a relatively cheap amazon Chinese welders and was in the market for a clamp meter and came across a video about true RMS vs average.
@@teddysurf I looked up the model number and the feature comparison chart on Amazon shows TRMS for that model. Is that accurate though? Who knows. Even if it is TRMS it's worth checking the specs because even most of those have limits on frequency and waveform so it still may not read correctly on an inverter welder.
Thanks Todd! Thanks Joe for making this testing much more precise and yes, we are all interested in a mig welder comparison!
100%. Appreciate bringing a pro who knows in use evaluations are as valuable as specs.
You are welcome! Thanks for the suggestion.
Ummm..... Why did Todd let Joe sponsor this video?
I got myself a weldpro for around $300 the thing is a champ for mig I'd love to see how it matches up in a mig comparison!
@@tuker384 🤷♂
It's great having a professional welder do the inspection. Makes for an even more thorough review. Thanks Joe we appreciate your input more than you can imagine.
Thanks!
What I love about your videos is that there is no long intro and fancy junk. You get right into what we're here for. The facts and the results.
Thanks!
I know right?
His videos are concise and to the point. No 10 minutes of rambling every other test and lots of useful charts
straight to the point thank you for not wasting our time
Your objective take and analysis makes you subjectively the absolute king and my go to source before buying anything. Don’t ever stop what you’re doing!
Thanks so much! Thanks for supporting the channel! I really appreciate it!
Cpuldn't have said it better!
Thank you Joe for assisting in the testing. All of us out here greatly appreciate Project Farm and all the hard work that goes into this channel. ~ Chuck
Thank you very much!
@@ProjectFarm You do know that you have the best educational channel on RUclips right? Before I purchase anything for my shop, I always search for it on your channel to see if you've done a test comparison on that particular tool. You have literally helped out 10s of thousand of us men or more make the right decisions on what not to buy for our next project. Every guy I know watches your channel. Keep up the hard work Project Farm and thank you for all you do. P.S. THANKS JOE!!
Thanks Joe
I don't usually comment on any videos, but I have to say I've been watching you for ages and I can't even put into perspective the amount of appreciation I have for your tests that are done as scientifically and fairly as possible. It doesn't even stop at just fair comparisons, the actual qualitative information you measure and document and condense and present it's just honestly, the pinnacle of content creation in my opinion. So much work goes into all of your videos and I know there's slim chance you'll see this but I love watching every single one when I get a chance. I've learnt a hell of a lot, so huge thank you 🫶 keep up the amazing work.
Thanks so much, will do!
Same your my number 1 channel I watch and recommend keep up the great work
couldn't say it better. thanks
Darn tootin'
Wonder about a cheaper Lincoln like FC90
Joe's assessment was the vote of confidence these products needed. Exceptionally well done work on this video.
Thanks!
Joe’s thorough, concise, and down to earth way of analyzing the welds is right on target. I’m about 5 years into Aerospace fabrication and design and I can tell you I wish I worked with Joe.
I am afraid of flying...
Thanks!
Thank you Joe, having you testing the welders definitely adds confidence to the testing. It's much appreciated.
Thanks!
Other people have praised your scientific method but I’d like to add on the editing. As fast as possible to convey as much information as possible, while never being too fast. No time padding nonsense. Great stuff
Thanks!
This is what I love about the channel. All meat, no fluff
Amen
Right some U tubers have a short attention span .
40 plus years as a professional Welder.
You get what you pay for .
Joe's high skill and experience was obvious.
Great Report. Thank You.
Valuable and Useful Information.
Correction: You rarely get more than what you pay for, but you often get less
It's also smart to buy what you need.
Thanks!
Thanks Joe and Todd for bringing in experience when it was needed. Duty cycle kills cheap tools.
You are welcome!
Joe, I just wanted to let you know how much i appreciated your help with this production. I myself dabble in the arts of metalwork and know well enough how difficult it can be to put yourself away to assist with an endeavor like this. your aid and assistance has proven to me and all of man kind that there is still a chance that humanity as we know it has not yet been lost. I love you joe.
Thanks!
WTF are you??
Joe's Mom ? 😅
I'm a hobbyist welder at the moment and this explains the issues I'm having with my cheap SMAW welder. I'm actually surprised how much of a difference there is. Thank you! Also, thank you to Joe for the expert POV!
You are welcome!
As a 20 years full-time professional welder who has always worked with big expensive machines like 5-10K$ Fronius/Lincoln/Miller, I didn't know that great "cheap" welders like the Harbor Freight Titanium were a thing. Another awesome video, and thanks to Joe! Subjective input from a professional on how the welders behave is invaluable.
I got a titanium mig welder for just over 500 bucks, this thing is the ticket for someone who does projects or small welding jobs
yes i have the same Titanium as in the video. not bad for a cheap stick welder. 480v machines will always be far superior.
Same here. I'm surprised such cheap machines can deliver that much.
@@andrewarmstrong9194 I want to make my own smoker, would the titanium be good to use for that?
100000😅
Joe did great. Only a skilled welder can accurately do test pieces for a welder review. Many thanks to Joe for yet another great batch of product reviews.
LIES
WASNT AN APPLES TO APPLE'S COMPARISON
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I think the channel can benefit greatly from some subject matter experts like Joe. Having the raw test data is a really good thing, however, having the thoughts and input from the experts can provide Insight that may not be measurable.
Well done guys!
Thanks!
Yeah I second this as welders in particular are a bit of a difficult area to do unless a proper welder checks them out on the practical end. It was nice to see the testing show what is better for small projects and short welds.
Thank you, Joe!!! You've hitched your wagon to the best YT DIY channel on the planet and it is much appreciated by the viewers. Trustworthy and unbiased contributions from professionals and master craftsman such as yourself see to it that everyday DIY folks can tackle projects safely without breaking the bank or wasting money in inferior and inefficient tools. MUCH appreciated.
Thanks!
King of RUclips right here in my book. True dedication to the scientific method. No bs, no favor, just testing and brief synopsis. True craft.
100% agree with this! "Consumer Reports" could take more than a few lessons from this channel.
@@andrewstombaugh9318 Preach !!
Thanks!
As a life long Miller welder user, the Titanium line is fantastic for the price. Their duty cycles are usually better than the more expensive Vulcan welders too. Been running the Titanium multi process off 240V for close to 4 years now with almost daily welding and it just runs and runs never hitting the duty cycle or losing arc integrity at all. HIGHLY recommend!
I'll have to check out that welder.. I wonder who they copied it from for it to be that good.
@@campbellpaul Not sure. I know the comparable Miller is over $3k and only comes with the MIG leads, they make you buy the stick and TIG leads separate!
WOW!!: Experienced Pro's words are priceless!!.💪🥇
I have the titanium 120 mig welder. Absolutely love it.
@@Gary-tc7zx I hear the Titanium MIG 140 is good for 1/4" steel and doesn't trip 20a breakers.
Thanks Joe!! As a welding engineer, this was an excellent video comparing cheap welders to each other. Another test I would recommend doing for the MIG video would be welding for at least 4hrs with the welder at the highest settings. Some of those cheap welders give up after 2hrs of use with high current because their electronics are not meant to sustain high current for more than a few minutes at a time. Please do not waste the money on tool truck welders. They are rebranded Lincoln or Miller welders, with less features and less knowledgeable people to help troubleshoot them.
Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.
With that said, if you are a simple hobby user, like you would only use it for a few mins at a time here and there, then its DEF worth it to save the money. You could buy several before you spend the amount on a higher end one.
@@OnceShy_TwiceBitten Been beating the heck out of my titanium 200 for a year now no issues
Duty cycle would be a GREAT test! Good idea!
Thanks to Joe for helping out. It's nice to see professionals working together to obtain accurate assessments of various products.
Good thorough test. It's worth mentioning that the clamp meter has to be capable of measuring DC current with the clamp as many only measure AC current. Thankfully the DC clamp meters are much more common now.
Yeah, the cheapest clamp meters you can find only do AC... I learned that by impulse buying my first cheap little clamp meter.
Not too mention that positive and negative have different functions between AC and DC.
Good to see ya, Clive!
He's right! My RadioShack meter would do DC, but I found it hard to find others to do it at the time. Definitely something to keep in mind.
clive please make a house fire video from the components of the 70¥ welder
I'd like to see you dissect the blown welder.....or any of them for that matter.
I love the segment with Joe. It's great to get a second opinion from such a skilled guy.
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Definitely want to see the wire feed welders. It's a skill I am considering trying to learn. And a big thanks to Joe
Wire feed welding is not at all difficult to learn. In the past couple of years I had to learn wire feed aluminum welding for my job in auto body. At 65 it's a bit of an old dog new trick thing. If you can stick or gas weld you will find wire feed a piece of cake.
Wire welding is a lot easier to pick up than stick welding is. The welder feeds the wire for you. You still have to do a bit of testing before you weld what you want to to get your settings good.
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This was a very comprehensive shoot out among these welders, based on the welders merits. and I like that you pointed out the welders that were tig compatible. I worked at a muffler shop and got pretty good with the MiG welders. and used an ARC welder some before along with an acetylene torch. and now I would like to try out my hand at TIG welding. so again thanks for that information. and thank you Joe with your massive welding skills. for showing us what these machines can and can't do. and for your valuable advice. those were some fantastic beads you laid down for sure.
The Titanium surprised me all around when I picked it up last year. I’ve been nothing but impressed with their line of welders lately.
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I bought the multi-process Titanium a few months ago and have been satisfied. It's very easy to get set up and arc welds great even on 120.
I keep hearing that. I have an old ESAB I use for stick welding, and it's getting long in the tooth. Gonna check Titanium out!
Thanks Joe! This is an amazing channel by itself, and with your expert assistance you've allowed it to extend into a tool I've wanted to see for a long time. It's clear that your skilled hands gave each of these machines its best chance, and it's enlightening to see how they stacked up. I hope you'll make another appearance :)
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As someone who has been welding for 8 years I think this was some quality information being put out. I’d love to see a battery powered 4 1/2 inch grinder test. I’m pretty sure you did a corded test some years ago but with the technology in batteries I think they are gaining popularity as an option
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I keep looking at the Ryobi brushless angle grinder and die grinder but haven’t pulled the trigger yet!🤔
@@Blakehx I’ve been thinking about the Milwaukee cordless die grinder set because I have tons of those little batteries already. That price tag hurts to look at 😂
I just got a Ryobi and love it
Agreed! Torque test channel has a couple but a big roundup would be great
I am definitely interested in seeing mig welders tested against one another.
Miller, Lincoln, Everlast, and titanium as well as whatever other brands you see fit.
Thank you for a great video!
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Thanks to Joe for providing his input on these welding tests! And even though I am not a welder at all, I'd love to see some comparisons of different types of welders, too!
This channel is a fantastic resource. Whenever I need to purchase anything - hand tools, power tools, adhesives, pretty much anything - one of my first steps is checking whether Project Farm has a relevant video.
TL;DR: thanks, and maybe someday I'll find a topic you haven't covered that I can suggest you test haha
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I'm glad I am not the only one who does this lol
@@DDSigo Oh, you're not, by far. ProjectFarm is the most concise, most well tested channel online, period. Todd does a fantastic job of it, and it shows. Thousands of folks swear by his findings and buy accordingly.
This is hands down the best channel on RUclips. Thank you Todd and Joe for another excellent product test!
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This is the best channel ever.
There is so few, true honest reviews on real equipment available.
Thanks Joe.
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I'm not sure if you realize what kind of hero you are, Sir. Thank you.
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Having a pro, such as Joe, test and evaluate a product that REQUIRES expertise to achieve optimal results is a MAJOR enhancement to your tests. Thanks Joe!
Based on what little welding I've done, I know it requires a lot of experience to consistently achieve good results. That Lincoln welder is on my Christmas wish list! A friend bought a Lincoln welder and a week's worth of classes at Lincoln's factory. He also toured the Lincoln factory. He said that Lincoln sources virtually nothing from other suppliers. Instead, they choose to make almost everything themselves. They do this to ensure the quality of everything meets their standards. This even includes making the wire used in their transformers. Nice move!
Impressive and admirable to see companies go to this extent to ensure not only a quality product, but provide knowledgeable and safe use product training. Even the experts benefit from refreshing the basics every now and again.
@@rico76 Another benefit for taking the class was that a nice discount is offered for the purchase of their equipment.
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Todd and Joe gave a professional test for us to learn from, great job guys!
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Awesome video! Would love a comparison on economical multiprocess welders :D
Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion. Thanks for supporting the channel! I really appreciate it!
Thank you Joe! Project Farm is exceptional at giving solid real world results with the highest level of integrity. Thanks for bringing Joe on board.
Thanks Joe for your professional help with this test.
Todd, thank you for just solidifying yet again the validity of your channel. Your skills as a fabricator and designer are “very impressive” with all of your test jigs you fashion. But even with that, it is also very impressive to see you know when your limitations might hinder results. So instead of being to prideful and doing it yourself you call in an expert. Thanks for keeping this channel true and factual!
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I bought the Titanium over a year ago for fixing stuff around the house, tacking up metal fence and light repairs. So far it works great.
I got one of the titanium wire feeds cheep. Harbor freight is great for all the home gamers.
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It's comments from someone like Joe that really helps a person understand the results. Great job Todd and Joe, I hope Joe helps you out on the next welding video!
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I appreciate your honesty about your lack of welding prowess & getting in Joe for cool, expert analyses of welding results.
Many thanks to Joe!
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A thank you to Joe for his great effort to help PF. I look forward to a new test on MiG and TIG welders.
Thank you PF for your great channel. The tests and methods are a real benefit for a home gamer like myself.
We are looking forward to seeing a multiprocess welder comparison also. Love to get Joe's input on that test as well. Thanks Brian.
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Great to hear from an experienced welder on these kinds of tests, really increases confidence in the results. Thanks, Joe :)
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Thanks Joe for lending your expertise to PF; having an expert run the actual welds and offer feedback on each machine really helps us viewers make informed buying decisions. I have the Titanium Stick 225 and have found it to be an excellent machine for DIY projects and repairing farm equipment. Thanks to PF for yet another excellent and informative video. 👍
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I scrolled way down to see if I had made a comment already - I don't see one... so well done, brother! thank you for the objective analysis, and the many test processes that you put each welder through. The comments by Joe were hard to follow because he was speaking with 'industry-lingo' which other journeymen welders would understand, but a novice wouldn't follow so well. The simple spreadsheet at the end detailing your results for the combined tests were great! Thank you for the work you put in to this. Hartley [garden grove, CA usa]
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Big thanks to Joe for helping out! I hope to see him again on future welder reviews!
Great work as always, Todd!
Have a great day! o7
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I love this channel so much! Thank you for dealing with all the hassle and fuss and costs, not to mention the editing and filming. It takes a lot of work and I just want you to know you are so appreciated!
Thanks so much! Thanks for supporting the channel! I really appreciate it!
Great video thanks Joe!
Its cool to see harbor freight performing well in these tests almost like they're actually paying attention to what their custimers want.
And the Titanium isn’t even top end.
The HF welders have been pretty good for a while. You’re right that they have been paying attn to what the customers want because they have been getting better and better.
@@chadhowell1328 yep. I picked up the titanium 125 for repairs around the property and im really impressed with how it welds. Especially compared to the old AC Chicago electric 90 amp flux core welder.
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Wow, fantastic channel ! These are the tests that we want ! These videos are full of technical specs. The tests done, test more things than I would have imagined. The videos get to the point and don't waste time with filler content. I love your work, keep up the fantastic work !
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Yes, no filler content is the best part. And so is the content. And so is the speed at which you are capable of coherently!
Joe helped this test really shine. It's so odd seeing the results actually reflect almost perfectly "You get what yoy pay for" because usually the only real standouts are the cheapest for being mediocre and the most expensive for being overkill for most people.
I was surprised some of them lunch box welders did as good as they did. For what I do they'd be fine.
@@1pcfred I have the Titanium flux core 125 and it's surprisingly good. If you have a small project that doesn't need 220amps they're perfect.
@@Zanthorr I only tackle small projects. I'm not building bridges over here. I never need more than about 90 amps or so to do the welding I do. The last weld job I did I saved my garden cart rims. They were all rust rotted out. It came out OK. Was pretty thin metal I was working with. Replacing them would have been very expensive. I even patched up the steel tubes on it some. It'll be good for a while to come. I think I was running about 30 amps or so. I used really skinny electrodes too.
Thanks Joe and Todd for a great video. Excellent idea to have a current tester with a cheap welder. You guys make a great team.
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Wow, Joe's welds using these cheap stick welders look a LOT better than a lot of people's TIG welds. Very Impressive!
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@@drumtwo4seven Found the "pro" TIG welder.
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Lol. You are crazy as hell. I’m not bashing on the man but none of those beads were anything to write home to mom and brag about.
Straight up awesome ❤!!! And yes definitely thank you for the great welding examples. I was thinking about repurchasing and welder because I had lost my big welder to my boss for 600 bucks I got screwed there. However I'm back in the market for another good welder I'm not sure if I should get sick or Mig. Because I'm not exactly sure what I want to create. But it will be with angle iron. I definitely had to come back to this video to help with decision making. Thank you very very much
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It's always appreciated to have a pro's input. Thank you Todd, for having Joe assisting with this project.
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I definitely want to see a stand-off between the multi-process machines!
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Honest testing of equipment is a breath of fresh air. Thank you again. Yes I would really like to see a face off on Multiprocess welders or plasma cutters.
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Thank you for giving us honest reviews and advice! You have definitely influenced my decisions. Also big thanks to Joe for coming out to give a hand. :D
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Thanks Joe! Appreciate the time you took to help. Please keep these welding tests coming very very interested! Would like to see more comparisons and tests. Great video!
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Thanks for helping Joe! I would like to see the multiprocess showdown!
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Man, I'd love to spend a weekend in the shop with Joe. Great video presence and seemingly a great content expert.
I loved this video!
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Thanks for helping out Joe and NICE WELDS!
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I’m definitely interested in seeing a multiprocess welder comparison.
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Thanks Joe and Todd. What a great resource as usual. As a hobbyist this really helps me decide what first steps I might take with a welder purchase. Thank you
Thanks! Glad to hear!
You are a national treasure! Your unbiased and informative videos are straight to the point with no extra bs!
Genuinely, thank you so much for all you do for us!
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The opinion of a professional welder is very valuable. Thanks Joe!
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Thanks Joe! Always good to have someone who is very experienced in the welding tests! Also I am interested in more welder reviews!
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Thanks for collaborating with Project Farm Joe! As you can see by the comments everyone finds a lot of value and entertainment in your videos. Great job as always!
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My first welder was buzz box. I learned everything I could. I then moved to 70 dollar klutch. Bought the tig leads for it. Practiced every single day after work running beads up down sideways every direction. I would buy coupons to practice on from this metal supply company. After about 6 months I moved to a 2k dollar Everlast that does everything ac/dc foot pedal multiple settings saves(pulse/fade in/out etc)
And id spent the next 6 months only running aluminum). I love welding and I'm 100 percent self taught 😎 you can do anything you put your mind too.
Are you now a welder as far as profession? I’d like to learn too but wondering if I should take a course, thanks!
Self taught, eh? No youtube videos, instruction manuals, etc...? I mean, kudos on learning, welding is one of the most useful skills to have. I took it in highschool all four years
Why did you spend $2k on an Everlast? That's a lot of money for an off-brand welder.
@@TehButterflyEffect I've never had a single issue with it I purchased it almost 5 years ago and it's fantastic.
@@daltondenun858 noooo my friend I dig swimming pools. But I can fix anything if it breaks. If you want to become a welder for a job.. I'd definitely take courses. There's A LOT that self taught misses.
Thanks for the comparison! I have always used Lincoln welders and have a 20 years old SP135 which still works amazingly for me. I laughed at the "plasma event" on the cheap non-protected Ssimder welder when it failed during the endurance test. Thanks to Joe for his welding assistance for this test!
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That was a great idea to bring in a professional welder to help with the tests! Joe seems like a great guy!!
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Nice to see the mid range Harbor Freight welder doing well. They have stepped up their quality
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Thank you Joe! We appreciate your objective and discerning evaluation of the test coupons!❤
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Thanks Joe! But also thanks to @ProjectFarm for continuing to set and achieve such a high standard for reviews. Huge shoutout for bringing in another expert to help with this review - it truly demonstrates how good you are at this.
Thank you for the kind words
I would love to see multi process welders tested, especially more budget options.
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Same here! I am also curious to see how MIG machines would compare welding aluminum...
Thank you Joe for participating in this testing and thank you Project Farm for all the testing you do.
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Thank you PF and a special Thank You to Joe! I hope Joe returns and helps with the other welder reviews. O yeah, more welder reviews please!😄👍
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Welding is one of those skills I have been wanting to just learn for years so this is probably one of the single most important videos you have put out for me personally recently. Here's hoping that Joe can help you help us amateurs in picking out good tools to start off with.
I took welding in vocational high school for two years. One of the best things I ever did. Made traction bars for my 4x4 and a pipe bumper in high school. Fabricated and installed a trailer hitch for my math teacher and it got me an A in his class. Never had a specific welding job but did it in all my jobs at some point when they found out I could weld. I’ve fabricated stuff for employers and personal projects just from an idea in my head. Bull countless items. It’s a great skill to know so I highly recommend you go for it. Never a bad thing to invest in yourself.
With stick welding a lot of it is down to technique. The angle of the rod, the arc gap and how fast you travel. If you can get all of that right you can get good beads. Joe managed it even with these cheap welders. But that's because Joe knows how to weld. If he could have adjusted the current he'd have done even better.
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buy a hobart, Dont learn on a garbage machine. You will learn the most with an accurate machine. trying to learn on a cheap welder will only fck things up more
@@loveforthegame3 not everyone learns the same way. I am not sure how accuracy is going to help anyone considering the varied nature of the welding process. It's not all bench welding out in the real world.
Thanks to both Joe and Todd for giving us accurate and thorough information on all of these options!
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Thank you Joe! More welder reviews please! It is absolutely expensive and by you doing the apples to apples comparison, that improves everyones confidence in their product purchases. Thank you Todd! ❤
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Thanks Joe. As a self teaching amateur welder, its always a pleasure to watch a pro.
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Perfect timing, I am in the market for a small reliable welder than can run 6011 and 7018 rod. My decades old monster sized Lincoln didn't survive my last move. After watching this excellent review, I am learning towards the Titanium. Thank you very much!
Have you called your local welding supply store to see if it can be repaired? Even if you don’t want it anymore, you might be able to get it repaired for not much money and the sell it
@christians131 it was very old and having problems, so no. I only do occasional welding now, a small one like this is perfect for me now. Plus I can take it with me when we go to the races.
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I am brand new to welding, but I own the HF Stick 225, and it has been great. I have run 3/32 6011, 6013, and 7018 rods without issue. Unless you need it right away, don't pay the full price. Just wait for a coupon.
My father was a master welder for Chicago Bridge & Iron back on the day and his team built water towers and bridges across rivers. I remember him having a welder at home that he used to repair things that neighbors needed repaired. I never had a desire to weld but love to watch those with the skills. Thank you Joe for your assistance in this video.
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Thanks to Joe for providing us the community with his welds. Excited to see more welder content, as I'm in the market for one!
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Thanks for supporting the channel! I really appreciate it!
@ProjectFarm just a vet appreciating another one. You've saved me more money than i gave you so i appreciate you.
As a community college welding instructor working i get asked all the time about what inexpensive welder i would recommend. I've generally suggested the Harbor Freight Titanium and Vulcan but it's nice to know that there are some even more inexpensive welders that are reasonable options. considering I own the lincoln 210mp it was nice to get a little bit of verification that my money wasn't completely misspent. :)
I also teach welding at a community College. I have a student who brought in a prime weld, it has CK accessories and I was rather impressed with how it welded for the price. If I had the money though, I would definitely buy the ESAB 205i, very impressed with that.
I just got a question, if I buy a welder and run it at 110 volt like from a normal garage outlet, a Welder will not melt the cables in the walls/trip the circuit breaker?
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@@Momoka7Not if the breaker is properly sized for gauge of wire. It will trip before it melts. 14 gauge wire needs a 15 amp breaker, 12 gauge wire a 20 amp breaker. You want bare minimum 20 amp circuit for a 110 welder. I got a titanium flux core welder that runs on 110 outlet and it works great
The breaker is there to prevent the wires from melting/killing someone. If the breaker matches or exceds the amps that said welder will pull then it wont trip it. Assuming it was wired properly the wires should be fine for the amp draw.
Yes more welding videos please. Would love to see multiprocess ones. We need and know what these trusted tests you Project Farm do for us. Thank you again PF!
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I was very surprised how well a under 100 dollar welder would work. .Of course it helps to have Joe,who is a professional.This was a very informative video!
You do quality reviews and I really appreciate your unbiased facts,giving the consumer options, to purchase the best, for the different price points.Thank you Joe and Project Farm
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OK. I am totally awestruck by what you have done here!!! ❤😊❤
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Thanks for helping out, Joe! You're teaching a lot of people more than you may realize, and that's more important today than ever.
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I have really been thinking about purchasing an inexpensive stick welder for basic jobs in the home workshop so this review has been incredibly helpful, thanks to you as always for the perfect no-nonsense approach with great insight! And thanks to Joe of course for his skill and expertise in making it happen.
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Thank you, Joe! It’s great to have someone who understands welding, performs great tests on welds, etc. And the quality of your welds tells me that I need to keep practicing!!
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Thank you Joe! I'm glad to see a professional help us understand the welds. Thank you Project Farm for showing everything without bias and linking the welders!
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Thank you, Joe. This channel has consistently valuable information for homeowners and DIY people. I salute you.
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Thanks, Joe! Thank you for this video. I find the results surprising overall. I have always used Lincoln and Miller machines but my Dad recently bought a small Titanium MIG machine and has had an Everlast multi-process for a few years. He has been impressed by both after a lifetime of running Lincoln and Miller machines. A comparison of some other machines would be useful in addition to plasma since we just had a Hypertherm die.
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Thank you Joe please do more of these welders if possible. I'm actually impressed with the deko for it's price it seemed like the best all around stick welder I'm in the market for one to play with around the house and it seemed to do all I would want it to do
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Thanks for helping out Joe, great job :) And thanks for yet another informative video PF 👌👍