Ultimate Air France A350 Premium Economy: Better than Emirates?
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Airline: Air France, AF
Aircraft: Airbus A350-900
Aircraft registration: F-HTYF
Flight date: December 2023
Route: Abu Dhabi International Airport - Paris Charles de Gaulle Airport
Flight numbers: AF639
Seat: 12A
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About Air France (from Wikipedia):
Air France (formally Société Air France, S.A.), stylized as AIRFRANCE, is the flag carrier of France headquartered in Tremblay-en-France. It is a subsidiary of the Air France-KLM Group and a founding member of the SkyTeam global airline alliance. As of 2013, Air France serves 29 destinations in France and operates worldwide scheduled passenger and cargo services to 201 destinations in 78 countries (93 including overseas departments and territories of France). It also carried 46,803,000 passengers in 2019. The airline's global hub is at Charles de Gaulle Airport with Orly Airport as the primary domestic hub. Air France's corporate headquarters, previously in Montparnasse, Paris, are located at the Roissypôle complex on the grounds of Charles de Gaulle Airport, north of Paris.
About A350 (from Wikipedia):
The Airbus A350 is a long-range, wide-body twin-engine jet airliner developed and produced by Airbus. The first A350 design proposed by Airbus in 2004, in response to the Boeing 787 Dreamliner, would have been a development of the Airbus A330 with composite wings and new engines. As market support was inadequate in 2006, Airbus switched to a clean-sheet "XWB" (eXtra Wide Body) design, powered by two Rolls-Royce Trent XWB high bypass turbofan engines. The prototype first flew on 14 June 2013 from Toulouse, France. Type certification from the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) was obtained in September 2014, followed by certification from the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) two months later.
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You should do one for Singapore Airlines Premium Economy! Would love to watch that
@@ThebiibSQ premium economy seats are too hard, can’t stand even a 12 hour flight from Singapore to London, i must stand up and walk to accommodate such hard seat every once in a while.
@@mfxx888 really? Great to know. I got like three hernias in my back. Did you fly their business seat or first ? Are those soft enough? Thanks
@nonstopdan more bed and sleeping footage. More nights in business. All av sounds, no music.
i flow with SQ in Business class quite a few times, no such problem, if i would complaint, then the diagonal seating in Business class is quite strange, but still comfortable@@alberciik
Air France economy cabin crew were some of the friendliest service Ive ever had. specifically on my Tokyo -> Paris flight. Good memories only.
Thank you for taking the time and effort and expense to rate these carriers on their premium economy service. Helps the rest of use make educated choices. Wishing both a happy holiday and a fabulous New Year 👍🙏😎🤪
Happy Holidays Dan! I have become a huge fan and find your videos not just informative but fun. Wishing you continued success in the New Year!
I’m going to fly AF A350 in January on Premium Economy as well, I was looking for videos that describe the experience in detail and I’m glad you just uploaded one 🥳
Mine was also purchased with points, (I first looked at Delta’s website and saw the same flight going for +100k points one-way, because it was operated by AF, I went to AF’s website and saw the same flight for only 35k points!)
I really appreciate this review! My spouse and I booked Air France premium economy (also on the A350) between Detroit and Paris for 35K Flying Blue points as well, and I wasn't sure if it was worth it or not. It seems like we made a good choice for our flight next year!
Happy holidays to you two. Lots of fun content this last year. Thank you.🙏
The issue with the recline is also elsewhere: if someone in front of you fully reclines, on a day flight for example, you cannot use the table tray, forget to open your laptop, or put an iPad upright.
Tbh if you recline all the way, you’re a terrible person lol
Check out Swiss‘ PE. No disturbance.
@@battalion99 I get people like these in front of me every single flight, why is this even an option people can't be trusted
Hey Boys, I'm in Madrid, leaving for Kenya tomorrow. Always great to see you & I like the fact that Oskar is now very much a part of non stop Dan. Wishing you&yours,both a very Merry Christmas & of course a wonderful & Happy New Year. 💙💙👌⭐️'s💯🎄🎁🍬❤️💯👋✌️
Happy holidays to you and Oskar!! Hope you have a great time with your family. ❤❤
Thank you two for sharing this beautiful trip. Merry Christmas and Happy New Years!!😊😊😊
My favourite premium economy I've ever tried was Delta on their 767-400 was definitely a brought down business instead of added to economy
Just flew premium economy On AF’s refurbished 777-300 . Seats are the same but they upgraded the headphones and we now have some really nice ones in premium economy, noise cancelling that are integrated within the seat like business class.
Flew Af PE in April from SF to Paris, round trip. Had exit row seats with no one in front of us. Seats were of the “shell” design so they don’t actually recline, only change positions within the shell. Nice amenity kits as in the video. Two meals were served on china dishes, and a nice tray of small sandwiches was offered in between. The flight attendants were efficient but not friendly, and we only saw them during meal times. The temperature of the cabin was chilly but bearable. Overall the pricey $600 upgrade was worth it for the legroom and more comfortable seat for a 10 1/2 hour flight.
Hello Dan, you say that premium economy is "the cabin taking the world by storm." But it's taken over 30 (thirty) years for that to happen. VS and BR instigated this class around 1992. BA followed in year 2000. Why did it take the others so long to catch up ?
This is a great review, thank you for calling out the width of an iPhone for seats, I adjusted my seat to front vs back to avoid this,
Wow that Abu Dhabi airport is gorgeous! Happy holidays Dan and Oskar! Enjoy the break!
Happy you reached 800k subscribers before Xmas. Merry Christmas, Nonstop Dan.
I've taken this product and it's pretty nice. I was one a trip where we took Delta Premium Select from US --> EU and Air France Premium Economy from EU --> US. It was a pretty close race, but I slightly preferred Delta's product due to the lavatory situation.
I switched to AF a couple of years ago on my usual long haul and so far I’m very pleased with them. Their Business Class product is very good, service and food excellent. Having to make a stopover at CDG instead of a direct flight has been no problem and considering the saving in cost it’s a no brainer.
Awesome job dan with the air plane vlog and happy holidays to you and Oscar I enjoy your travel vlogs in RUclips
Great review! Love Air France despite baggage experience. My sentiments exactly regarding CDG.
Thanks, seems AF is getting better and better. Im looking forward to try Air France PE.
Merry Christmas 🎅 to you and your family. Thank you for sharing Best wishes Diane 😊😊
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
Nice vlog, good editing. And a good alternative to the asian Premium Economy seats.
Merry Christmas Dan and Oscar, love the flight 😊😊
I listened to the podcast and I was excited for this
Great video. . . Once again. . . . . Happy holidays guys!
We gotta mention Oskar rocking that stash! Totally fun!
Very timely video. I am looking to do a Business Class flight on KLM to Amsterdam in the fall, then considering Premium Economy return on Air France from Paris if I don't have enough points for Business by then.
hahaha...you are a true professional for passing up such an amazing business class upgrade offer! Thank you for sharing about Premium Economy, I am saving up for 2 Business class tickets to take my sister to Paris one day but this shows me what it would be like for getting the mid-range option.
Also! Have you heard about Starlink being available on planes in the near future? When that happens we can finally say goodbye to crappy airplane wifi.
Merry Christmas Dan! Hope you had a Happy Channukah too!
Amazing video! Merry Christmas Dan!
12:22 Many European Airlines have Tail Cameras on the Airbus A350, but the reason they are not on the inflight entertainment is that airlines have to pay extra for these. On top of that, the pilots need the tail camera more than passengers (on many large aircraft for taxiing). Meaning they still have tail cameras, but only the pilots can use them.
Honestly, I don't mind the small meal with the amount of light bites they give you. Sometimes, especially in biz, I feel like the portions are too big and I don't have the stomach to try all of the meals and snacks provided without blowing up my stomach. Anyway, great review!
I’ve done a few premium economies now Dan and have to say, Qantas’ newly fitted a380/787 premium economy is top notch 👌
Thank you dan 2023 has been pretty incredible watching all your reviews,i can't wait to see what 2024 has installed for us Happy Holidays🎄🎄🎄
Hey Dan, which Emirates Concourse First class Lounge is better? Concourse A,B or C?
Big O and Big D - another super video and I can't wait for what's in store for 2024. Joyeaux Noel!
Great content as always.
I dunno if it's possible but try out the older version of premium economy on air france! It's designed almost like a first class seat on a trainline with the encased sofa! a bit awkward to recline but other than that I was blown away especially for the overall value
Merry Christmas Dan
Wow - thanks for this! We're scheduled to fly Air France Premium Economy LAX-CDG in May! It will be our first time flying non-cattle-class. (Anne has been bumped to First Class way back in the day, but we've only flown econ together)
Note that from LAX, AF will more likely than not be flying a "4P" (i.e. has La Premiere) configured 777, which has quite possibly the worst premium economy seat in the world, especially for a redeye (the seat doesn't recline)... that configuration will start being phased out of the fleet next year.
@@LeviRamsey Thanks! From our reservation: Operated by Air France, AF029
Airbus A350-900
@@mattball2700 then you're all set, though with AF, you never know when they'll swap equipment. Hopefully the A350 sticks!
I'm French, and I have the same feeling when I go back to France. Nothing works, and everything is dirty. It's even more shocking when arriving for UAE, where everything is perfect !
However, glad you appreciated the Air France Premium economy !
Just a note regarding 2G. Yes, its far to connect, but its probably the best terminal on CDG. No long cues to drop luggage or security control… basically, you are almost always quickly through. Lounge is also nice (just do not be there for a morning rush hour).
And flying again tommorow PE on A350. Day flight, 7 hours, do not plan to sleep… no need to upgrade to business
I prefer premium economy on the slimmer widebody planes like the 767, 787, A330 & A340 which offers slightly better aisle access with 2-2-2 or 2-3-2 seating.
Hi Dan, good morning, well I would say congratulations to you, but the journey of more than six hours was great, but I couldn't help but thank the flight attendants, it was really good. Thank you.😊
CDG really sucks if you have a connection there. No signage to point you in the right direction. I've even asked airport personnel there for guidance and have been pointed in the wrong and opposite direction. The only positive is that at least you get your steps in between flights.
You really need try the JAL premium economy. The seats go forward with the recline and there's a hard backing behind them, so nothing the person in front or behind you does can ever bother you. I dream of flying on it but alas, I never have to go east asia.
When I rarely went on United Airlines premium class seat, it did not feel as claustrophobic when the person in front of me reclined.
love the content. would love to go on an all four classes review with you some time
So alot better than my premium economy flight with them pretty much exactly a year ago for a 14 hour flight. Got a tiny dinner right after takeoff, and didn't get any service again until right before landing. I even tried to call the flight attendants with the button, but they apparently time out after an hour. No one showed up the three times I tried the button. I was exhausted and spent most of the flight both thirsty and hungry.
This is standard behaviour by Air France crew unfortunately.
Merry Christmas to you both
last time I went on premium economy in airfrance last January, there was specific headphones WITH noise cancelling. Nothing in terms of sound quality and reduction compared to the usual Bose or JBL, but I've never had such good headphones from an airline. That being said, as you would guess they are connected to the seat so that you don't take them with you.
Are you going to try the SAS A350 from Copenhagen to Stockholm this January? Sounds like a fun and unique experience :D
I Like The Air France Premium Economy Product,Merry Xmas.Great Trip Report
10:00 lmfao almost spat out my drink
Are the cameras only for IFE or can the pilots also use them? I imagine it could be quite useful during emergencies/taxi?
I am in Prague now for the holidays. I flew Miami to Paris (CDG) and Paris to Prague.
I was originally booked in Air France business (because I got a great deal) but with some delays, my connecting flight was actually on Czech Airlines (I was impressed).
That Air France 777-300 was definitely an older model but I think the business class was their newer layout (1-2-1). The flight crew were awesome.
I will say that the aircraft itself showed its age. The middle business class seat had 2 huge strips of duct tape holding a section of it together. The power supply on my seat was broken.
Oh well.
Flight crew - awesome
Food - Excellent
Seat - Comfortable but I’m only 5’7” and my feet felt weird in the footwell.
Would I do it again? Yes! In fact, I’m flying home in AF business too.
Virgin Atlantic Premium economy was pretty good, not sure about cash price but 13,000 points for an upgrade one way from Europe to America seemed good value if 1p per point ...for extra space and some fizz
Hi Dan what camera do you use to make your videos nice and clear thanks
Merry Christmas!
is that uniqlo you're both wearing? 🤔👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
you should've tried the new equivalent on KLM, heard mixed reviews on it
I feel that Air France most important issue is maintaining the equipment inside the plain for passenger
Hello bonjour from a regular french viewver in indian ocean! Thanks for your vidéo!! Merry Christmas and happy new year 2024!
Glad you had a decent trip. We travelled on AF Premium Economy on the 777 to Singapore. It was the very worst of flights. Old seating was broken outbound and return, service was terrible, constantly ignoring call bells. Lights off, forcing everyone to sleep even when it was daytime at Singapore and Paris. GF food was delivered frozen and only potato chips offered instead.
Worst experience ever.
Pretty sure Singapore Airlines would trump AF...
The option to "Book the Cook" on Singapore Airlines for premium economy makes for an enjoyable flight...
- Pork cheek teriyaki with rice
- Rosemary beef brisket
- Pancakes with maple syrup and scrambled eggs
🤗🤗
Have you reviewed the business class seat on AF A350?
Could you review united economy from LHT to ORD? Love your vids!
Try KLM premium comfort, I flown it on a 11 hour flight and it was really good
Just flew economy on Aer Lingus from DUB to ORD, I now feel even more like I rode on the Greyhound bus of the sky. 😂 No wifi, broken screen, no space in the overhead bins, no legroom whatsoever, visible dirt in the lavatory. Food that has been downgraded to barely recognizable over the years, served on a sticky tray that appeared to have been improvised from a part of something else? (hard to describe how weird this was.) Don't get me started on the state of affairs at ORD. I love fantasizing about luxury flying- and my standard at this point would be exceeded by maybe some hope of a centimeter more of legroom.
10:00 - yikes that screen looks as it's flown on Spirit Airlines (if they had IFE)
I would like to see the Premium Comfort of KLM. I am flying premium economy in December 2024. I know they are a lot like Air Frances premium economy/comfort, so this should suffice until then.
Hey Dan. I actually just took Af’s premium economy from Paris to Dallas about a month ago. I’m sorry but it was awful. The seat itself was not too bad, although I still felt cramped in it, and no foot rest to be able to sleep properly. And the crew? Very nice, for as long as you left your seat to go to the back galley and ask for drinks there. Calla bells were not answered. In a 10.30 hr flight, they came ONCE, just once with drinks of water throughout the cabin . Unlike on ba when crew are in the cabin at least once every 30 minutes at least to browse through, see if everyone is all right, if there are no suspicious smells in the cabin (fire prevention), but they are still there every 30 minutes. Here on AF? Just that one time, and I didn’t sleep all flight that’s how I know. It was freezing in the cabin, told the crew, no one did anything about it. You should have seen the passengers in economy and premium economy, we were all like under double blankets, extra sweaters, extra clothes, and winter hats on our hands. Pathetic. It was a 787, modern airplane, all it takes is crank up the temperature by one degree. I won’t fly with them again. I’ll give my money to Singapore Airlines.
Dan hates BA and would never admit that ba is better than air france
@@dodgykiwi1235 they are pretty bad though and Air France generally offers a more competitive product
@@dodgykiwi1235 he especially hates Heathrow, it’s a total mess when you connect there sometimes. With ba, it’s apparently like with AF, depending on the crew you get.. on my flight? They truly didn’t give a toss. It was like a flying fridge. Back in February I flew with ba in club, I had a great crew, everything was perfect. But I think both airlines have a serious problem with unmotivated staff and with consistency.
@dodgykiwi1235 So true ba and Air France crew can just go through the motions on a lot of services making it a bad or very average experience but my personal experience end of 2023 Air France just has the edge in general but just . Merry Christmas 🎄 🎅
@@alberciik NGL, everyone hates Heathrow lol
Any plans to fly Zip Air?
I love it that you had Oscar so inclusive in this.
Hi Dan. My wife had a return ticket from Heathrow' to India with virgin Atlantic's premium economy for a 1000 pounds return this September. she said thers was unlimited snacks . Love you to do a review soon if possible. Has a lovely Christmas to you and Oscar.
How does it compare to SQ Premium Economy?
Why doesn't AF have the issues with the A350 that are plaguing other carriers? Flew one from JFK to Qatar was very impressive.
I have flown with KLM, Delta, and Air France Premium Comfort, and to me, Delta is the best.
Great food, lots of service, a well-equipped amenity kit, and they have the same chairs as KLM.
What I absolutely don't like from KLM is this amenity bag. Or they assume we go for camping after the flight!
I love the chairs from Air France, more private, and their amenity kit is great. But the service is not really wow. What I don't like is the food (same as economy) and this breakfast box. Who has even thought about that?!
Klm and Delta food is great!
So, for me, Delta!
I flew on AF's Airbus 350 , Premium Economy, Paris to Osaka. I couldn’t fault it. Magnificent comfort and cabin crew.
That was a nice report. Happy Holidays to you and Oscar. I flew from Paris to Florence in Air France business because I wanted to use their lounge. Tres elegant! Then from Florence to London City in British Air business. Have to say that the food and personal service was better on British. Of course my very nice cabin attendant was from Paris.
I really like this type of airport like you said, similar to Mumbais from what I recall when I connected there
Great review ! It was very important that you showed how uncomfortable it was when the person in front of you reclines all the way. I would not do Air France premium economy unless I get a bulkhead seat, as you suggest. It’s not a great deal more money to get business class so if I can’t get a bulkhead seat in premium economy, I’m either going to save the money and suffer in economy or pay more for business class.
Nice to see Oskar included in the NON STOP DAN log. Oskar is a sparkly personality. xoxo
Major issue with premium economy is that you almost never have it on the feeder connections. Yes, your expectations are fulfilled for the long flight. But than back again in economy for the next 1-4 hours
Hey Dan can you maybe try SWISS Premium Economy? I heard it was a nice product but never flew it
CDG-AUH roundtrip in PE in the spring is just 500€ now😳
Hi Dan I want to see you try lynx air
Please do a review of the new a350-900 of Air India
You are so right about premium, if good, should be called business and business, first - just to have them better the food and sercvice in business all over. Generally, like with KLM, the service doesnt change much. The number of dishes and selection of wine does. Incidentally, why shouldnt oassengersin econopmy even be able to buy better wine?
What are your thoughts on singapore airlines a380 buisness class?
Air France economy to Hong kong from Paris recently. Horrible experience, seat was hard and I kept shifting due to the pain that set in after about 3 hours. Will avoid and spend extra on a different airline next time, I don’t remember having that problem with the Chinese airlines…
Loved this series but surprised you didn’t do virgin as they’ve had premium for so long and have that edgy personality you say you look for. I recently did premium return from Heathrow to Cape Town. The soft product and layout was very similar to this video but you got to share the 4 toilets in front with business class. Other things to note were pre departure drinks and hot cloths, a private premium gallery stocked with drinks and snacks you can get yourself and stretch your legs, very large meal service with cutlery etc.
My one big downfall was the entertainment choice. I always remembered virgin being great but Vera barely had any known or latest films on there making watching something very difficult.
Dan, don't suggest they change the name to 'sleeper class' and premium economy to 'business'....... they'll just hike the prices!!! They can still add first class if they want to.🙂
I love it that Oscar got to participate. He'ssuch a great guy. Have a wonderful Christmas in Sweden.
Omg iv never been this early, also very nice video dan! Im also an aviation geek
Hi Dan. Can you please clarify if your “politics at dinner” remark had anything to do with the Elal plane on the background?