Songs that don't use 4 bar phrases

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    Most songs naturally breakdown into sets of either 16, 8 or 4 bars. However music certainly doesn't have to do this and many songs instead feature phrases and sections of irregular numbers of bars.
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  • @leon723
    @leon723 Год назад +348

    Important note to add about Yesterday: The first word of the second verse is "Suddenly." It's more genius. Paul knows that that verse is starting a bar earlier than the normal convention of pop music would dictate and that it therefore begins suddenly. So the listener experiences a little jolt that parallels the narrator's sudden loss of his relationship.

    • @bradleydonrichter
      @bradleydonrichter Год назад +14

      Excellent point. A perfect pairing of lyric and music.

    • @wyattstevens8574
      @wyattstevens8574 Год назад +16

      Maybe it was actually accidental word-painting!

    • @maetzchenmusik
      @maetzchenmusik Год назад +8

      @@wyattstevens8574 Well, in the B 2s' mid period you may find quite a lot of analogies between lyrics and music, especially in A Day In A Life. Even if the four guys weren't conscious of what they were doing in those cases, it was at least well-felt … and don't underestimate George Martin's influence on them, as he was classically trained in musicology as well as on the oboe.

    • @maetzchenmusik
      @maetzchenmusik Год назад +3

      The first bar of the verse is missing and so is the I-narrator's yesterday. It's gone, he cannot fix it anymore. And it's not just an affair amongst others. He really detects for the first time that a dimension called yesterday definitely exists, this really begins to dawn on him (Oh, Yesterday came suddenly - a statement that otherwise would not make much sense). Jumping from childhood to adulthood. It's an existential discovery.

    • @robranney-blake8731
      @robranney-blake8731 Год назад +4

      Came here to say this. I noticed it first when I learned to play and sing the song.

  • @Davaroni
    @Davaroni Год назад +420

    These Beatles and Radiohead people make good music. You should feature them in more videos.

  • @Stavboy
    @Stavboy Год назад +162

    I was today years old when I realised that Yesterday has a 7 bar phrase. And I've been playing it over and over again in my head, counting in double-time, and half-time, trying to find out where it feels like it's been 'cut'. And I can't. That's crazy. And genius.

    • @erikleite839
      @erikleite839 Год назад +9

      Yeah you don’t really feel it when listening to it, but when I learnt to play it on the piano the abnormal structure was more noticeable.

    • @danayang7712
      @danayang7712 Год назад +7

      Me too!
      And usually, phrases like that throw me totally off, I usually feel like I skipped or added some beats by failure when playing them.
      But with Beatles, nah!
      Haven't even noticed!
      That gave me an interesting theory, I've been listening to Beatles since I was 7, and was a hardcore fan right from the start. Which means now, at 42, I've heard all their songs so many times it just feels natural. It's supposed to be that way. Because I ve got used to it, of course, but can it also be, that, like with many other things, we are more open for it when we're kids? I had already started playing instruments at that age, but I just didn't care about how many bars a phrase held.
      Now, having played music all my life, irregular phrases (and bars) throw me off guard straight away.
      But Beatles still sounds fine. 😁🤣
      Isn't that weird?

    • @G60syncro
      @G60syncro Год назад +2

      @@danayang7712 Same here at 44 and as a drummer I throw some Ringo'isms in songs we write that my younger bandmates and not so hardcore Beatlemaniacs just don't catch on the first throw!!

    • @IncredibleGoliath
      @IncredibleGoliath Год назад +6

      One issue with this kind of music theory is that it's usually presented without explaining HOW these ideas manage it. For example, Yesterday is in 2 bar phrases, not 4 bar: it actually gets 7 bars by halving the length of the first phrase, helped out by the fact that it's the only bar which is exclusively the tonic. The melodies of the first three phrases all resolve: the first from G to the tonic, the second from A to D, the third from D to G. Then the last phrase ends on a plagal cadence to prevent it from sounding like the end of the song.
      Of course, Paul didn't approach it by thinking "how can I write a 7-bar phrase", or any of the above, but that's what he wound up with. The idea of "tagging on" a bar (or cutting a bar from an 8-bar phrase) will have never even been considered.

    • @Stavboy
      @Stavboy Год назад +4

      @@IncredibleGoliath Excellently put. And, thank you. You've discovered where it has been 'cut'. You're damn right. It's only the first phrase, the titular refrain, that is one bar long. The rest are two bars. That's what I was looking for, and couldn't spot, because of how expertly crafted and well-hidden the 'anomaly' is.
      Of course, as you say, Paul wasn't thinking in terms of uneven bars of phrasing when conjuring this magic. But he 'fooled' the theory nerd in me, and I can only give him (and you for not being 'fooled') immense credit!

  • @santoriomaker69
    @santoriomaker69 Год назад +227

    Speaking of Queen, Don't Stop Me Now is another one that uses 5 bar phrases, but for most of the song. It's impressive how smoothly integrated it is that it doesn't sound jarring or feel like it's stretching.

    • @xenontesla122
      @xenontesla122 Год назад +16

      That’s the first example I thought of. Maybe it’s the combination of an extra bar and the fast tempo? Or just Queen making anything sound natural XD

    • @santoriomaker69
      @santoriomaker69 Год назад +15

      @@xenontesla122 I personally think it's in the chord progression that makes the odd length phrase sound smooth. That, and how well-structured the composition is to go along with each chord.

    • @AtomizedSound
      @AtomizedSound Год назад +1

      @@santoriomaker69 how it’s arranged and performed is most of the structure for how it sounds smooth for sure

  • @ESLSongs
    @ESLSongs Год назад +33

    I especially like Bjork's Hyperballad... firstly the bass enters seemingly playing 3 bars, but when Bjork starts singing we realise the three notes of the bass are actually one 3/4 (3/2?) bar. But then if you count her lines... she sings 10 bars before she starts the chorus!
    I love it!

  • @OurgasmComrade
    @OurgasmComrade Год назад +22

    Also Kate Bush's "Running Up That Hill" uses 11 bar structuring in both the verse and chorus!

  • @fluffyfluffykatz
    @fluffyfluffykatz Год назад +15

    Kiss from a Rose is another great example! The verses are in 5-bar phrases.

  • @variousthings6470
    @variousthings6470 Год назад +12

    When I saw Bowie in the thumbnail, I guessed that Ashes to Ashes would be the example you talked about. However, I was expecting you to talk about its outro rather than the intro, because the outro has the added detail that the harmony repeats every three bars, but the vocals repeat every four bars.
    So the vocal phrase begins on a different chord every time it loops:
    |[Bbm] My mama said, to |
    |[Ab] get things done, you |
    |[Ebm] better not mess with |
    |[Bbm] Major Tom... |
    |[Ab] My mama said, to |
    |[Ebm] get things done, you |
    |[Bbm] better not mess with |
    |[Ab] Major Tom... |
    |[Ebm] My mama said, to |
    |[Bbm] get things done, you |
    |[Ab] better not mess with |
    |[Ebm] Major Tom... |

  • @mr.fahrenheit5131
    @mr.fahrenheit5131 Год назад +41

    Last Nite by The Strokes is another example of a 5-bar phrase
    Babooshka by Kate Bush is another example for 6-bar phrase
    Ban All The Music by Nothing But Thieves is a good example of mixing it up within the chorus section of the song

    • @zarzaparrilla67
      @zarzaparrilla67 Год назад +2

      @Dustin Void that's actually the first song that came to my mind before clicking the video, i love it, one of my favs from the strokes

  • @wgb01001
    @wgb01001 Год назад +8

    Another cool thing about Ashes To Ashes is at the end, he repeats a 4-line phrase, but does it over a 3-line melody, so no line gets repeated at the same melody. “My mother said/to get things done/you better not mess with/Major Tom.”

    • @PANTECHNICONRecordings
      @PANTECHNICONRecordings Год назад

      Exactly what I was going to say. (Well, it’s actually a four-bar melody repeated over a three-bar chord sequence to be precise).

    • @wgb01001
      @wgb01001 Год назад

      @@PANTECHNICONRecordings Is it a 4-bar melody though? The melody repeats every three lines, though the lyrics repeat every four.

    • @PANTECHNICONRecordings
      @PANTECHNICONRecordings Год назад

      @@wgb01001 No, the melody spans four bars (the downbeats are on “my”, “get” “better” and “Major”)

    • @wgb01001
      @wgb01001 Год назад

      @@PANTECHNICONRecordings Yes I know this. But the MELODY repeats every three lines. The melody of the MY mother says and MAJOR Tom lines are the same. The melody is 3 bars. The lyrics repeat every 4.

  • @ytcorporate9237
    @ytcorporate9237 Год назад +45

    You know the video's gonna be a good one when Macca's in the thumbnail :)

    • @jasonremy1627
      @jasonremy1627 Год назад +5

      I don't think he's done a video without at least one Beatle or Radiohead reference.

    • @zdoesgame
      @zdoesgame Год назад +5

      More like you know it's a David Bennet video when Macca's in the thumbnail.

    • @ytcorporate9237
      @ytcorporate9237 Год назад +4

      @@zdoesgame David Bennett = Good video, they're the same thing

    • @Tortidis987
      @Tortidis987 Год назад +1

      Awwwww q😅😅and 😅 a😊q😅😊😅😅😅😅a😅😅 😅 aaa

    • @thesilvershining
      @thesilvershining Год назад

      I was gonna say the same thing, lol

  • @scartissue121
    @scartissue121 Год назад +36

    I always loved that the shortness of bars in the beginning Yesterday is then followed by Paul singing the word 'suddenly'. Clever songwriting. I think you did another video touching on artists who use words in this way in songs (the obvious being when a singer says 'stop' and the music stops e.g uptown funk)

    • @maetzchenmusik
      @maetzchenmusik Год назад

      Clever writing of lyrics to music would be a more appropriate way to express the fact.

    • @hopsiepike
      @hopsiepike Год назад +3

      Isn’t that painting with words?

    • @scartissue121
      @scartissue121 Год назад +3

      @@maetzchenmusik isn't that what I said?

    • @wyattstevens8574
      @wyattstevens8574 Год назад

      Maybe this instance of word-painting is an accident. David has a full video about "How much theory did the Beatles know?"

    • @maetzchenmusik
      @maetzchenmusik Год назад

      @@scartissue121 Surely you did so. I just wanted to make sure that lyrics aren't usually set to music in pop. Rather, one thinks about words to musical ideas.

  • @anthonyorr8868
    @anthonyorr8868 Год назад +27

    I always found that 3 or 5 bar loops have a very cyclical feeling as opposed to 4 bar loops, which, to me, doesn't feel like it "loops" so much as it tells a linear story through musical notes. 4 bars feels like there is a beginning and end to the melody; 3 bars feels like it keeps swirling over itself, and beginning and end overlap. 5 bars feels like I got to hear a little more of the melody than I was meant to, only to start it again.

    • @anthonyorr8868
      @anthonyorr8868 Год назад +1

      @@AJBlueJay funny, I like the way the music I described sounds. I like when things are off

  • @Faerithpiggles
    @Faerithpiggles Год назад +48

    The outro music you started doing in these videos is always a treat, but I especially loved today's. Could hear the principles you discussed in the video clearly, and the radiohead style perfectly compliments that kind of uneasy feeling that can come from the subversion of how you expect the piece to play out. Phenomenal!

    • @antinlogin
      @antinlogin Год назад +1

      Beautiful outro song indeed!

  • @leetaylor15202
    @leetaylor15202 Год назад +13

    The intro to Massive Attack's "Teardrop" uses a looping three-bar phrase before switching to four bars for the verse.

  • @jasons9663
    @jasons9663 Год назад +13

    Everybody Wants to Rule the World by Tears for Fears is in 3 bar phrases. Same with the chorus section the The Police's Roxanne.

    • @EmonEconomist
      @EmonEconomist Год назад

      Is it? I counted Everybody Wants To Rule The World and got 4-bar phrases, just that the melody sits in the second half of the bar so it feels offset to the usual phrasing.

  • @captainraventwelve4895
    @captainraventwelve4895 Год назад +21

    Foo Fighters are really good at implementing this in their songs. Time like These, as David mentioned, uses 3 bar phrases in both the riff and the chorus. Everlong uses 7 bar phrases in the verses and 3 bar phrases in the prechorus, which sounds awesome. And All My Life uses 7 bar phrases in the chorus.

  • @SongSecretsMomNeverTaughtYou
    @SongSecretsMomNeverTaughtYou Год назад +8

    The Beatles were like the rebels of conventional songwriting wisdom/theory, they would do the opposite of what others thought was "proper" and make it work! This is one of the reason's why I'm confident AI will not overtake or ruin music, it doesn't have the reasoning ability to make these types of writing decisions such as irregular phrase lengths or other neat tricks.

  • @aidanphr1446
    @aidanphr1446 Год назад +8

    I always liked how the chorus of “Here Today” by The Beach Boys lasts seven bars, with the premature ending coming right as the line “its here and gone so fast” is sung. I doubt it was an intentional composition choice by Brian, but it’s pretty brilliant.

  • @OurgasmComrade
    @OurgasmComrade Год назад +4

    Awesome thanks David! The reason why writers can get away with this technique without sounding too jarring is because they are pairing these phrases in sets of two which eventually adds up to even bar counts. 3x2, 5x2, 7x2, etc.

  • @joseph-fernando-piano
    @joseph-fernando-piano Год назад +2

    A really well-known example of irregular phrase lengths from the classical music world is Chopin's Etude in E Major Op 10 No 3, the main section with it's incredibly famous melody is in four phrases, that are 5, 3, 5, and 7 bars long respectively...

  • @VictorPM1550
    @VictorPM1550 Год назад +3

    About Ashes To Ashes, what I like most is the last part of the song... the loop where the music has 3 bars and the lyrics have 4 bars.
    So it revolves around... after 12 bars it's "in sync" again 🙂
    1) My mother said
    2) to get things done
    3) you better not mess
    4) with Major Tom
    1) My mother said
    2) to get things done
    3) you better not mess
    4) with Major Tom
    1) My mother said
    2) to get things done
    3) you better not mess
    4) with Major Tom
    1) My mother said
    2) to get things done
    3) you better not mess
    4) with Major Tom
    ....
    ....
    (3 bar loop goes on without lyrics)

  • @analogbunny
    @analogbunny Год назад +23

    Yes! Sorry for pestering you about this for so long 😅
    First time I counted out Kate Bush's "Wuthering Heights" I've been obsessed ever since.

  • @Oswlek
    @Oswlek Год назад +8

    The piano at the end is stunning. I would have listened for at least another four or five minutes. Probably more.

  • @Kylora2112
    @Kylora2112 Год назад +4

    The Four Horsemen/Mechanix by Metallica/Megadeth has a verse riff built on a 7-bar loop.
    The middle section of Natural Science by Rush is also built on a 7-bar progression.

  • @thesuncollective1475
    @thesuncollective1475 Год назад +5

    I have used this in my writing. I think anything that is unexpected but gratifying is a plus. Great vid Thanks for the affirmation.

  • @forthefrogs
    @forthefrogs Год назад +5

    Me and Your Mama and Redbone both have incredible outros. definitely some of the best ive ever heard, and it isn't often you can definitively say something like that

  • @teccam
    @teccam Год назад +11

    Strange Overtones by David Byrne & Brian Eno is a great example. It's built on a ten-bar progression.

  • @xziggy_stardustx6786
    @xziggy_stardustx6786 Год назад +2

    The unanticipated jump to "suddenly" in "Yesterday" is genius -- the music surprises you and the lyrics reflect it beautifully.

  • @AJBlueJay
    @AJBlueJay Год назад +2

    Pop songs with irregular phrasing
    Cars - Gary Numan
    Kiss from a Rose - Seal
    Girls Just Want to Have fun - Cyndi Lauper (5 bar phrase and the whole song has unusual structure)
    Peek a Boo - Devo
    Sanctuary - Madonna (overlapping & irregular phrasing)
    In the Closet - Michael Jackson
    Young and Proud - Ace of Base
    Thursday's Child - David Bowie
    Naughty Girls - Samantha Fox
    Let the Music Play - Shannon
    Virtual Insanity - Jamiroqai
    Break me Shake Me - Savage Garden
    Spiderwebs - No Doubt
    Two Princes - Spin Doctors
    & of course lots of Beatles songs

    • @rainbowrotcod
      @rainbowrotcod 6 месяцев назад

      surprised to see a mention of Thursday's Child! I have a soft spot for Bowie's more unpopular eras.

  • @Goldomatic
    @Goldomatic Год назад +3

    The ending solo of Deerhunter's Desire Lines uses a 5 bar pattern, which really helps the ending section have a sense of constant motion

  • @adasmi5
    @adasmi5 Год назад +4

    I love how you demonstrate the topic of your video even during the sponsorship part

  • @D1mitr3s
    @D1mitr3s Год назад +3

    The BEST channel! Explains music

  • @smitty1937
    @smitty1937 Год назад +2

    Thank you for making this video. I never thought there would be a difference between irregular phrases and uncommon time signatures. I always put them hand in hand

  • @grahamashcroft5991
    @grahamashcroft5991 Год назад +1

    David Bennet...you are an inspiration to music lovers and players.
    Taking apart music pieces and examining them in depth. You are an old head on young shoulders. Thankyou.

  • @TheHeyx
    @TheHeyx Год назад +5

    One of the best Music Channels! Keep it up with the good content 👏

  • @skateebee
    @skateebee Год назад +8

    I've learned more watching your channel than I did in music theory class! Another great video!!👍👍👍

  • @dominicellis1867
    @dominicellis1867 Год назад

    This is the exact mechanism used in jazz when they employ alterations on dominant chords and sometimes alter the bass note. The macro alteration is stronger and more intense in this case because uneven bass motion creates a feeling of unease similar to the use of odd meters. For instance, we normally use V7alt to tonicize Imin because it borrows from bVImin. But, if we also alter the bass note itself and translate the chord up or down a half step we can create an even stronger tension that has an even higher divergence. That’s why Wayne will typically use bVI7 or bV7 to lead into new sections.

  • @MandrakeGuy
    @MandrakeGuy Год назад +1

    last time adam neely briefly brought up this topic i immediately created a track with this kinda idea in mind (i used 3 bars per measure/phrase), but i havent really played with the idea since, so thanks for reminding me about this concept my guy :guuut: time to make 40 tracks in a row with 5 bars per phrase /j

    • @MandrakeGuy
      @MandrakeGuy Год назад

      update; damn i didnt even notice how common this kind of thing is, so as it turns out i actually should play with this concept............ 9.4 phrase length anyone?

  • @antonblam2
    @antonblam2 3 месяца назад +1

    - "Infinity 2008" is an electronic classic that plays 5 bar phrases through the entire track.
    - "Opus" by Eric Prydz made of 6 bar phrases, and starts from the 3rd one

    • @NiklasLindholm
      @NiklasLindholm 20 дней назад

      Also the original Infinity (by Guru Josh) from 1989 has these five bar phrases. (Although there are breaks in between the main chorus that are four bars..) This is pretty uncommon for a dance track since you often want to be able to mix them with (and layer on top of) other tracks that typically have 4 or 8 bar phrases.

  • @elijahderinger7080
    @elijahderinger7080 Год назад +35

    You should do a whole video dedicated to Tame Impala. He's such a talented composer, and uses "tricks" as one of his main techniques. Tons of interesting stuff to cover in almost every song, and such a diverse sound across his albums.

    • @salutcmoi2287
      @salutcmoi2287 Год назад

      You're right lots of 3 bars loops, and also an awesome 5 bars loops in Runways, Houses, City, Clouds

    • @egilsandnes9637
      @egilsandnes9637 Год назад +2

      Damn. I got too high expectations to Tame Impala after reading your comment. Not my cup of tea unfortunately.

    • @elijahderinger7080
      @elijahderinger7080 Год назад

      @@egilsandnes9637 There are four albums, each with a unique sound. What kind of music do you like normally?

    • @egilsandnes9637
      @egilsandnes9637 Год назад +1

      @@elijahderinger7080 I like most music. Favourites are Bach, Pink Floyd, Liszt, all sorts of jazz, Sevish, Bel Canto, several Norwegian singer songwriters, Røyksopp, Rachmaninov ... just to name a very few from the top of my head.
      I guess the two things that didn't really hit me right with Tame Impala is the general sound (That quickly got a bit stale I think) and the melodies (or lack thereof). To be fair I only listened to the first 5-6 tracks of the album Currents, and Runaway Houses City Clouds. I quickly got frustrated by both melody, timbre and harmony.

    • @elijahderinger7080
      @elijahderinger7080 Год назад +1

      @@egilsandnes9637 i would not listen to currents or the slow rush then, give innerspeaker and lonerism a shot, im always a strong advocate of listening to the full album, he has a very cohesive sound, but only for the individual albums. lonerism is pretty widely regarded his best

  • @shaobingboy
    @shaobingboy Год назад +1

    I've never thought deeply of how many bar phrases should be used. This video is a great inspiration into a new wave of creativity that I didn't know was possible. Thanks David for spreading your wisdom

  • @rdspam
    @rdspam Год назад +1

    Listen to/write out Let It Happen’s four three-bar phrases into three four-bar phrases, and it’s perfectly fine. To my ear, it actually sound ps more like the intention of the music.
    Similarly, Bowie’s throws in bars that are all rests, plus the one “extra”, just makes it a series of 5 bar phrases.

  • @DrDoogoode
    @DrDoogoode Год назад +2

    David! I just noticed you're nearly 3/4 of the way to 1M subs. Waltzin' your way there. Highly deserved and I love the covers you use for your vids.

  • @TheOddTimesMusic
    @TheOddTimesMusic 3 месяца назад +2

    Making a song in 3 bar sections! :D Thank you david!

  • @splatterbabble
    @splatterbabble Год назад +3

    I'd like to point out that Devo's "Gut Feeling" delivers a great five bar phrase for all but the chorus.

  • @healsroman4610
    @healsroman4610 Год назад +4

    gouge away by pixies is a really clear good example of a 5 loop bar, such an awesome song

    • @SteveBluescemi
      @SteveBluescemi Год назад +2

      And Tame is an excellent example of 3. Frank Black uses this technique very frequently.

    • @MarshallMathers3000
      @MarshallMathers3000 Год назад +1

      That’s who I hoped he’d talk about. Wave of Mutilation does it too.

    • @paragraphs7235
      @paragraphs7235 Год назад +1

      also, I've been tired uses a three bar loop

    • @paragraphs7235
      @paragraphs7235 Год назад +1

      and tony's theme uses a 5

  • @lim7lim
    @lim7lim Год назад +1

    Fascinating. I've thought a lot about different meters, but not about how different phrase lengths can affect the Melody.
    And your piano solo at the end is beautiful, as usual, David.

  • @MrFlippicat
    @MrFlippicat Год назад +1

    Just the kind of stuff I've been getting into as a songwriter! One of my favorite examples of writing like this comes from MARINA's song "Froot", which features a 20 bar chorus which I only found out by accident in counting

  • @ivanazaroffmusic
    @ivanazaroffmusic Год назад +1

    I find this topic so interesting. One of my favourite examples is “Worst Comes to Worst” by dilated peoples. Like most hip hop songs, the instrumental is a loop but on this track its 3 bars and it sounds so cool especially because barely any other hip hop tracks do that

    • @artemiy_s
      @artemiy_s Год назад

      also electric relaxation and lyrics to go by atcq, stakes is high and much more by de la soul, mind blowin bu pepe rock

  • @PerChristianFrankplads
    @PerChristianFrankplads Год назад +1

    Beautiful outro music - can I listen to the whole piece somewhere?
    And great video and videos in general, keep it up!

  • @TheFakeyCakeMaker
    @TheFakeyCakeMaker Год назад

    I love these videos because they tell me what I'm actually hearing. Every single one of these songs mentioned I know and have liked for the reasons he explains I've just never been able to explain why myself. Now I can explain. If I'm honest I don't truly get the bars thing but I will. I'm enjoying these deep dives into music theory. It's where I belong. 🙂

  • @jyotektosgaimur
    @jyotektosgaimur Год назад +1

    Collapse the light into earth by porcupine tree has a nice 5 bar loop, follow me by muse also does the same thing in the bridge where an extra 2 bars gets added on to an 8 bar progression for resolving the sustained dominant 5th, follow me's verses also are in an 18 bar structure. Also that 3x5 + 1 structure was also used pretty well in the song plug in baby too.

  • @JMaxfield09
    @JMaxfield09 Год назад

    One interesting use of skipping a bar is to imply a rhyme that's too "naughty" to say in recording; examples include "Shaving Cream" by Benny Bell & Doctor Demento, and "The Bumble Invaded a Nudist Colony" by Billy Mitchell, each doing it once every verse. Bowser & Blue took it a step further with "Polkadot Undies," skipping three naughty words per verse.

  • @nicholasharvey1232
    @nicholasharvey1232 Год назад +2

    I was solving a crossword puzzle while watching in, and I was filling in BOWIE right when you got to "Ashes to Ashes". Strange...

  • @mickeyrube6623
    @mickeyrube6623 Год назад +1

    Am glad you finally covered this. I find this effect far more interesting than, say, odd time signatures.

  • @jcortese3300
    @jcortese3300 Год назад

    Music has a lot more in common with poetry in its structure. Poems can have phrases of different metrical length, and ones like limericks where the phrases have very different lengths as well. It's a fun thing to investigate -- easier if you write the lyrics first then try to fit music to them.

  • @MacGyver5AF
    @MacGyver5AF Год назад +1

    I think the topic of this video is more about "persuading". If I am persuaded that the song is complete and smooth, I don't need to ask myself, if there is 4/8/16 bars in a section.
    I am glad that Queen made it into this video. I am (unfortunately) not a fan of Beatles, and a song of Queen always make my day.

  • @silver6380
    @silver6380 11 месяцев назад

    One of my favorite examples of this is Hard Lesson by Suddenly, Tammy! which has 4-bar phrases in the verse and a sudden switch to 3-bar phrases in the chorus. It has a surprisingly jarring effect that is hard to point to exactly unless you know what you're listening for.

  • @TheLawapa99
    @TheLawapa99 Год назад +2

    Thumbs up. Love this. Exploring what I don't know but love. Music's language. Laid out in visual form with concise explanations.

  • @roeesi-personal
    @roeesi-personal Год назад

    Another song that uses a repeating, albeit longer, uneven bar structure is house of the rising sun which is divided into 22 bar sections. From the beginning of one verse to the next, it is divided to 8+6+8, although it can also be perceived as 8+8+6.

  • @christiankruse5069
    @christiankruse5069 Год назад +1

    I like how when yesterday is “skipping a bar” the first time he sings “suddenly” because we are to the start earlier than expected

  • @BassistBob81
    @BassistBob81 Год назад

    Devo has a good one called “Gut Feeling”. It’s a 5 Bar phrase, and the chord progression has a very diminished, unsettling sound. 👍

  • @correcturegames8389
    @correcturegames8389 Год назад +1

    Tori Amos' song Spark does 6 bars of 3/4 in the intro, then in the verse adds beats to extend certain vocal phrases to a very neat effect in my opinion. :)

  • @atrus3823
    @atrus3823 Год назад

    Another neat device in Ashes to Ashes is in the coda: he sings a 4-bar repeating passage over the same repeating 3 chords, so as the lyrical and harmonic loops go in and out of phase, he changes the melody of each line to math the chord it is over, creating a longer 12-bar loop-really cool!

    • @atrus3823
      @atrus3823 Год назад

      Bowie employs a similar trick in Moonage Daydream. The verse chords repeat a 5 chord progression, but it is played as if each 4 chords are a phrase of a longer progression, and the lyrics are sung in 4-bar phrases.

  • @Yupppi
    @Yupppi Год назад +1

    It's funny how The Beatles is probably the biggest mainstream band ever, but they have some of the most bothering and frequent wars on conventional music composition. Keys, bars, time signatures. The list goes on. Would compositions that odd succeed today? Who knows, they're interesting and catchy.
    And talking about key changes, I've been spamming too many comments about Symphony X on this channel, but I only recently realized how curious their compositions are. I just thought of them as prog metal band that has a lot of neoclassical vibes, but they really have a lot of variation built in. Of course there are a couple of well recognized classical themes put in as a sort of easter egg and marrying rock and prog into it, but I didn't even realize until I started learning some song that it's not rare that there's a main theme to the song, for example verse, and every time it plays it's in a different key. But I never picked it up when listening because it's the same melody and there's been a bit since the last time and the song travelled to a different place, but it seamlessly knit the theme to the new part. Having different patterns drop a beat, having odd bar number, odd signatures, odd sectioning etc. But somehow they make it sound groovy, which to me is unbelievable. To listen to something that's by design interrupting your brain's ability to go into snooze mode, yet not have it stand out too much, but instead make you admire the keyboard melodies and tap your foot to rhythms. And then you realize that it was a complicated pattern that just sounded like it flows naturally.

  • @Paul_VanGo
    @Paul_VanGo Год назад

    The very populair 80s MTV-song Heat Of The Moment from Asia is a fast 3/4, 3/4, 4/4 loop from the start, with the only the chorus in 4/4.
    I remember, it was an impossible song to dance through, apart from that chorus.
    I recently found out why, after not hearing (or better: listening to) that song in decades.

  • @finwailin
    @finwailin Год назад

    The chorus (the "I slipped and I got pulled" section) of "Pulled Up" by Talking Heads is four three-bar phrases.

  • @TeShiky
    @TeShiky Год назад +2

    Can't believe you made this video without mentioning Hey Ya! by Outkast.

  • @althealligator1467
    @althealligator1467 Год назад

    10:09 It's actually more of a 6 bar phrase, because the first is Dm the second time around. You can hear a sort of soft high pitched synth switching from F# to F and back for each chord, but because there are three chords, it takes two rotations to come back around. It goes F# over the D chord, then F over the Gm chord, making it Gm7, and then F# over the Em7(b5), making it Em9(b5). Then it goes to F over the D chord, and being the only third, makes it a Dm chord.

  • @kackers
    @kackers Год назад

    Slipknot's Nero Forte has a middle section where it's a repeating pattern of 3 bars each of four beats, it's all just a single rhythm played across all the instruments but Corey does something with his vocals where for the first repetition, his phrases are four beats long, and then the next repeat they're 3 beats, and the next loop they're two beats, so he gets more lines out and increases the pace of the song even though the tempo and rhythm isn't changing in the instrumental at all

  • @egilsandnes9637
    @egilsandnes9637 Год назад

    I love how "Tic Tic Tac" (The original by Carrapicho, not the Chili version) has a AA-BB-CC-DDD-structure. That extra "D-section" elevates the mood I think.

  • @Nathanaelsun22
    @Nathanaelsun22 Год назад

    another idea that i would love to see one of your lovely inspiring videos on, songs where the chorus is in a different key or mode, many complex songs, use this and its mysterious what the different techniques may be... examples would be, what a fool believes, golden lady, and So many more, seems to be a lot from the mid to late 80s through the 80s... another example, Night Fever, a number of bee gees songs do this... what are the tricks that make these changes work and what are the variences that create different effects.
    Thanks for the great videos!

  • @4shir_jr698
    @4shir_jr698 Год назад

    One of Russia's most famous female rock/alternative singers of the present time, Zemfira (Земфира), LOVES unusual structures like this, irregular number of bars. The best example is, probably, her song "Так и оставим" ("Let's Leave It as Is"). I really recommend listening to her music

  • @awilttondevitto3630
    @awilttondevitto3630 11 месяцев назад +1

    That outro was beautiful!

  • @BernardoMartins_
    @BernardoMartins_ 2 месяца назад +1

    You failed to mention Meshuggah on the Polyrhythm and Polymeter video, and now on this video…
    Despite that, great video as always!

  • @noviceproductions9450
    @noviceproductions9450 Год назад

    I've been waiting for someone to make a video covering this!!
    The chorus from hey by pixies does this when cycling G, Em and Bm.
    Alot of songs on the doolittle album use odd counts of prases.
    Gouge away uses a 5 bar progression thoughout and wave of mutilation uses a 3 bar in the intro and chorus.
    There are many other examples, but I digress.
    Nice video man! :)

  • @Lesyeuxouverts
    @Lesyeuxouverts Год назад

    and now I'm learning a compo secret from one of my fav artists Tame Impala,
    really can't get enough of your video, many thanks for producing them, it is fantastic!

  • @Charlie-bn7ho
    @Charlie-bn7ho Год назад +1

    Hey David! Another amazing video! I really enjoy these. You make these concepts so palatable and easy to use and understand.
    Would you be able to make one on different uses of the III chord, i.e. chromatic mediants? I feel like you’d be able to make a really informative video on it.

    • @DavidBennettPiano
      @DavidBennettPiano  Год назад +2

      Thanks! I’ve got a video planned on chromatic mediants actually. 😊

  • @ThinkAboutVic
    @ThinkAboutVic Год назад

    I find that sometimes, irregular phrases can actually add to the power of a song. In the song Cambaz by Turkish rock band Mor ve Ötesi, the verses go with a 4-2-4-4 bar phrase pattern. The first and third phrase are the lyrical sections. The second phrase has some power chords played with the rhythm guitar as a sudden powerful switch-up in the comparatively pretty calm verse, and the fourth phrase is the second phrase played twice in a row as a powerful transition to the chorus. Only the verses have this switch-up, but it feels like it keeps the song fresher and more consistent in power, which is super cool.

  • @jakeupsmith2217
    @jakeupsmith2217 Год назад +1

    as always perfect man

  • @grayanddevpdx
    @grayanddevpdx 2 месяца назад

    Interestingly, I’ve noted that in some of Tally Hall and Miracle Musical’s songs they actually use six bars almost as much as eight bars. This is most notable in Ruler of Everything’s chorus and The Mind Electric’s bridge.

  • @kudeirosax
    @kudeirosax Год назад

    Don't stop me now has 5 bars phrases in the verse
    Great video!!

  • @joermnyc
    @joermnyc Год назад

    (I Want You) She’s So Heavy’s outro was also into 6/8 time, and it never resolves because John decided to just cut the tape after a few minutes of that loop since it was the end of the side in it’s original vinyl form, and he thought a sudden cut would sound better than fading it out (The second side also ends with a tape cut because they tacked on the excised Her Majesty, but that cuts because if it didn’t we’d get the start of Polythene Pam, where it was originally edited into the side two medley before they felt it was a poor fit and removed it.)

  • @archive6094
    @archive6094 Год назад

    That Bowie cover sounds really cool! I'll have to look it up later

  • @abntpt01
    @abntpt01 Год назад

    In your example, Let it Happen by Tamon Parlor has the 3 bar repeated phrase but if you listen to it, it repeats 4 times that gives it symmetry

  • @markam67
    @markam67 Год назад +1

    Always interesting and unusual ways of looking at how music works I am always impressed by your videos and your insight. Please keep up the amazing work.

  • @tothefinlandstation
    @tothefinlandstation Год назад

    Pavement "Cut Your Hair" is based on a 3 bar pattern, as are A Tribe Called Quest's "Electric Relaxation" and De La Soul's "Stakes Are High", and several Pixies songs.

  • @LeoMajors
    @LeoMajors Год назад

    One of the first songs I noticed irregular phrasing in was Are You Bored Yet? by Wallows. They're a pretty standard indie rock group, but they've got this one song thrown in with 3-bar phrases and it makes it sound pretty unique.

  • @ThinWhiteAxe
    @ThinWhiteAxe Год назад

    DUUUUDE that Ashes to Ashes example blew my mind! Bowie was a frickin' genius.

  • @JasonMDockins
    @JasonMDockins Год назад +2

    Gut Feeling by DEVO is a 5 bar loop and as instruments keep getting added throughout the into it creates the sense of continuous upward movement.

  • @yourlilbrudder5766
    @yourlilbrudder5766 Год назад

    Two other Beatles songs are Glass Onion, which is 9 bars in the verses, and Fool On The Hill, which sounds has an initial 7 bars in D Major, then 8 in D Minor with a ninth bar going back to D major before it repeats

  • @mr88cet
    @mr88cet Год назад

    4:00 - Heart of Glass is a curious song to have irregular meter, since it’s a fairly-disco-ish dance song. Might throw off “ordinary-plebe dancers!”

  • @carrodus6150
    @carrodus6150 Год назад

    first thing I thought when I saw the title was "Oh man is he gonna use Let it Happen?!" LOVE tame impala man

  • @timmccarthy872
    @timmccarthy872 Год назад +1

    Thank you! I could never quite put my finger on what made About Damn Time so punchy.

  • @GabeWilliams
    @GabeWilliams Год назад +1

    Definitely using this 🙏

  • @mattchandler2309
    @mattchandler2309 Год назад

    I had always noted the jolt in “Heart of glass” but never thought much of it. Nice analysis! Have you analysed how few “pop” songs use 3/4 or 6/8 time. Ocean Colour Scene’s “The Riverboat Song” is a great 6/8 example. And The Stranglers Golden Brown is a masterpiece of time signatures

  • @sssjaeger
    @sssjaeger Год назад +2

    I love the 6-bar chorus of “Voulez-Vous” by ABBA

  • @greablood1072
    @greablood1072 Год назад

    Oh!! That’s what I look for in my own songs, a standard I use to sort interesting ideas from cliche ideas

  • @rjkade
    @rjkade Год назад

    i’ve noticed a few strokes songs do this with 5 (or 10 depending how you count) bar phrases. last nite’s verses, electricityscape’s chorus’ and alone togethers verses (though sometimes they drop in an extra 2 bars making some 7 bar phrases)

    • @3xtan327
      @3xtan327 Год назад

      Trying your luck as well

    • @rjkade
      @rjkade Год назад

      @@3xtan327 Jules clearly loves his 5's!!