Hear me out: you guys should do an inverse budget week. Every deck has a minimum number of TIX it needs to cost and it has to be something insane like 1,000 TIX. Hard mode: cheapest printings only.
On this week of "Punt or Bluff?" shenanigans abound! Will Tomer give away all his permanents or will Crim just take them by force? Tune in to find out!
@@ceroluthor it used to be Tomer years ago. They have hired an editor since season 5 or 6. Niutuc is the current one. Tomer will edit the rare episode but that’s about it.
in this game, until the Haunting Voyage cast (I gave up lol), the following cards would have produced for Tomer: a turn 2 Deep Gnome Terramancer: 3 lands a turn 2 Archivist of Oghma: 11 cards a turn 3 Smuggler's Share: 12 cards, 3 treasures a turn 5 Aerial Extortionist: 10 cards, not counting its exile ability
Richard said at the beginning he couldn’t think of a good mono-green control commander. Yeva, Nature’s Hreald is perfect, I’m working on brewing her right now. Just turn your ETB creatures into instants so you don’t have to play them on your turn and can react to what your opponents are doing. Reclamation Sage becomes Naturalize, Gaea’s Herald becomes a counterspell against counterspells, you can flash in blockers, etc. Arasta’s decent because she gives you plenty of blockers, but Yeva gives you way more versatility with your plays.
Been playing this for years, so fun. I use a combo kill for my deck so most of the game is slowly assembling the pieces while making sure that no one else’s board gets too out of hand.
I'm only an hour into the episode, but I LOVE the energy coming from everyone on the crew this week - feels like everyone's just having a fun time with their jank decks! One of my favourite episodes in a while so far :)
Crim, I just want you to know that after you signed my Opposition Agent at CommandFest Richmond, I flashed it in in response to a Defense of the Heart trigger that same night. Really enjoyed the game we played! Thanks again for the awesome experience! ☺️👍
Tomer: waffling over having to discard cards because his reliquary tower was stolen Also tomer: has a brand in hand and instead chooses to curse Richard again Also also tomer: wheels his homeward path to the bottom of his library
1:01:01 As a person who loves the Lonis/Daxos/Evelyn/Capt. N'ghathrod/Nassari style of steal decks, I still agree that Homeward Path style effects need to be printed more often. I will cry, but accept the turn of events.
You have no idea how big of a smile is on my face as a collector and fan of green since 1994 as the green control deck is being talked about. A few months ago I finally finished a mono-green-control cEDH home brew very different than your list and with twice the spice. ;) Questing Beast is a godly beast. Richard, I understand the smile.
Curse of Verbosity gets my opponents to kill a target that isn't me. That's a big reason I like it! Also if I attack the person myself ibdrae a card and nobody else does ;)
@@MTGGoldfishCommander hey, thanks for the reply! ☺️ Yeah, Verbosity may be better... But I still think they're similar. 😆 Edit: forgot to mention that I'm totally pro-verbosity, and pro-rendezvous. 👍 I support your use, especially given the substitution you mentioned!
40:35 As someone who has resolved a scrambleverse in paper, it’s not that bad. The way I do it is I ask the table to hand me all the nonlands, roll a d4, and pass it to the respective player. If you actually try to do it the way it’s stated, yes, your other players will hate you, but the way I did it only takes like a minute or so at most. I also only do it once a game, so that probably helps.
why did tomer punt when he destroyed the illusions of grandeur, he could have put them all on a clock if he would have casted fractured identity? that sounds like a major punt
1:20:38 I'm pretty sure the correct line here is to Agent of Treachery to take back the Reliquary Tower, let Crim steal it again, and then on the next turn use the Sun Titan trigger to get back the land swapper dude to take it back AGAIN, with full mana and all those cards to find a way and get rid of Evelynn or Crim.
That line doesn't work if Phil casts the Blasphemous Act that the viewers know is in his hand, but taking a sub optimal line to play around a board wipe you don't know about, right after a board wipe resolved, is not the move.
Green Counter Spell idea: GGG, Instant, "As you cast this spell, note the highest mana value among creatures you control. Counter target spell if its mana value is less than the noted mana value."
Or "Spell Fight", GGG, Instant, "As an additional cost, sacrifice a creature. Counter target spell if its mana value is less than or equal to the sacrificed creature's power."
It should be way more expensive and it should be a flash creature 2GGG 3/3 when spell beast enters the battlefield the creature with the highest power you control fights Target creature spell (if the spell being fought is less than or equal the mana value than the creature who is fighting Power shuffle that spell into their owners library.)
Ah yes, another game in which Crim helps the table almost as much by running a responsible amount of interaction as he hurts it by the specter of Opposition Agent...
If we get a green counter spell I bet it will only hit enchantments and non-creature artifacts. Or maybe black and/or blue spells. Probably will be an etb effect on a 3/4 cmc flash creature.
So I’m only a half hour in but my idea for pure green countermagic would be flash creatures with keyword spell savagery or savage casting or whatever but it would essentially be if played when it’s not your turn: counter target spell with lower cmc/power/toughness and would let them print some pretty neat cards. Green has some decent stuff like heroic intervention to respond on their turn but not much to stop the stack.
Not when during spoiler season this was recorded but commander legends 2 does have a green dragon that counters abilities so y'all ain't wrong about green control.
LOL I have a monogreen control I made just to play one and my wincon is huracain effects and glacial chasm XD but I use a lot of enchantment to draw cards and annoy value players Nice build Richard, show them the power of the brocoli!
Richard is completely correct about curses, especially that one. Luckily lead of casual play design (commander) is on record as really disliking those cards so we shouldn't see much design like that from commander products.
MTGO is easier to follow at base and can easily edited for stuff like constant hand cams. It is also much easier to get different decks every week on mtgo, in paper it would require a huge collection for each player or proxying an entire deck every time, or less variety in the decks showcased. Spelltable also makes some card flat out not really usable, the Gontis and opposition agents and theft in general much harder. Is it better or worse than the missing cards on mtgo? Probably only a sidegrade on the card pool. There is the occasional paper game, but once a season at most when things line up for it.
"Mono-Green Control" has been my team's 2HG team name for our pre-release events. I guess we need to find something *more* ridiculous now. XD Richard nonsense is my favorite nonsense.
Hrm, wasn't fractured Identity + patrician's scorn on the Illusions of Grandeur basically lethal for most of the table? Could've killed 2 of them with that.
Lore fact of the day: Knight of the white orchid's steed is not in fact a lion, but a leotau, eg Grizzled leotau. They are a race unique to Alara (Bant) that are more sentient than your average horse mount!
I would never play a Mono green deck because I’m not a monster, but I would choose Kogla for Mono Green control, personally. Kogla is also a nice body for the green card draw.
Tomer why not use Fractured Identity on the Greven the turn you destroyed his Whispersilk? Instead of playing two signets and use all gold tokens to cast Puca's Mischief :P Would have all but ensured victory on your coming turn if Phil had to use all his mana to re-cast Greven, instead you were exposed and if Phil had played his turn better would have killed you
He needed Fractured Identity for his combo. The combo is Fractured Identity Nine Lives then in response to losing the game, cast Patrician’s Scorn so the three opponents lose first. Tomer just could not find his copy of Nine Lives; it was in the bottom 12 of his deck. Tomer wanted to win in that very specific, janky way.
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Hear me out: you guys should do an inverse budget week. Every deck has a minimum number of TIX it needs to cost and it has to be something insane like 1,000 TIX. Hard mode: cheapest printings only.
I'm pretty sure at least one of them has built a "most expensive possible" kind of deck once
On this week of "Punt or Bluff?" shenanigans abound! Will Tomer give away all his permanents or will Crim just take them by force? Tune in to find out!
Editor needs a raise lol. Great game otherwise. Good to see that no one got knocked out 1/3 of the way through haha
Editor is Tomer lol
@@ceroluthor did he stutter?
@@ceroluthor I thought it was Nuttuk? or Nuktuk? something like that
@@scarecr0w630 i thought I remember hearing it was Tomer, hmmmm
@@ceroluthor it used to be Tomer years ago. They have hired an editor since season 5 or 6. Niutuc is the current one. Tomer will edit the rare episode but that’s about it.
in this game, until the Haunting Voyage cast (I gave up lol), the following cards would have produced for Tomer:
a turn 2 Deep Gnome Terramancer: 3 lands
a turn 2 Archivist of Oghma: 11 cards
a turn 3 Smuggler's Share: 12 cards, 3 treasures
a turn 5 Aerial Extortionist: 10 cards, not counting its exile ability
Thanks for doing the leg work and sharing!
Richards deck is sick reminds me of my fever dreams about mono white discard.
Richard said at the beginning he couldn’t think of a good mono-green control commander. Yeva, Nature’s Hreald is perfect, I’m working on brewing her right now. Just turn your ETB creatures into instants so you don’t have to play them on your turn and can react to what your opponents are doing. Reclamation Sage becomes Naturalize, Gaea’s Herald becomes a counterspell against counterspells, you can flash in blockers, etc.
Arasta’s decent because she gives you plenty of blockers, but Yeva gives you way more versatility with your plays.
is a nice Idea I use nissa as a commader becouse is card advantage and an alternative wincon
Lmao im in the process of Brewing this
Been playing this for years, so fun. I use a combo kill for my deck so most of the game is slowly assembling the pieces while making sure that no one else’s board gets too out of hand.
"Tomers commander doesn't have hooves...even though it's...a goat..."
The way Phil said that just made me lol
I'm only an hour into the episode, but I LOVE the energy coming from everyone on the crew this week - feels like everyone's just having a fun time with their jank decks! One of my favourite episodes in a while so far :)
Finished the episode today, & WOW that was so good! Best episode in the season!
Crim, I just want you to know that after you signed my Opposition Agent at CommandFest Richmond, I flashed it in in response to a Defense of the Heart trigger that same night. Really enjoyed the game we played! Thanks again for the awesome experience! ☺️👍
Tomer: waffling over having to discard cards because his reliquary tower was stolen
Also tomer: has a brand in hand and instead chooses to curse Richard again
Also also tomer: wheels his homeward path to the bottom of his library
I acknowledge you acknowledging the choice, buuuut, i respectfully disagree. Also the instant punish from Richard was gratifying
Yeah, I was so baffled by that
Lol I came to see if anyone else mentioned this. That turn had some interesting.... choices. >.>
it worst than that if he had play is homeward path crim would have had 1 less blocker so tomer would not have lose wayfaire
😂 I was shaking my phone.
Tomer just casually dropping the Yiddish. Love it!
The Crim punts move from hilarious to difficult to watch on a game by game basis
Well put ,haha. Feel the exact same
18:11 Crim with the top tier Mana drain bluff
1:01:01 As a person who loves the Lonis/Daxos/Evelyn/Capt. N'ghathrod/Nassari style of steal decks, I still agree that Homeward Path style effects need to be printed more often. I will cry, but accept the turn of events.
Crim can we get a deck list with the cards that are missing? I really like Evelyn and I would like to see your take on her.
It’s on mox field I think
@@SethG27 Thank you
Poor Phil bringing the Voltron deck against 3 Control decks 😭 He basically spent the whole game casting the same 3 cards
3 combo* decks
This game was epic! Loved the fun, unique ideas on display.
Crim with the mana drain mind games lol
Gotta stop playing scared Phil! Your hand is so fricking powerful and should never hold back when both blue decks are mostly tapped out.
Yes! He had a turn where he could have cast Jeskas Will for 15 mana while everyone else was tapped out! I was screaming.
Curse of Verbosity is broken, it's basically blue secret rendezvous lol
You have no idea how big of a smile is on my face as a collector and fan of green since 1994 as the green control deck is being talked about. A few months ago I finally finished a mono-green-control cEDH home brew very different than your list and with twice the spice. ;) Questing Beast is a godly beast. Richard, I understand the smile.
Do you have a list? I'm intrigued by the idea.
That was a crazy game this week!!! Tons of shenanigans!!
I think it's really funny that Tomer likes Curse of Verbosity so much and hates Secret Rendezvous so much... REEEALLY similar. lol
Curse of Verbosity gets my opponents to kill a target that isn't me. That's a big reason I like it! Also if I attack the person myself ibdrae a card and nobody else does ;)
@@MTGGoldfishCommander hey, thanks for the reply! ☺️
Yeah, Verbosity may be better... But I still think they're similar. 😆
Edit: forgot to mention that I'm totally pro-verbosity, and pro-rendezvous. 👍 I support your use, especially given the substitution you mentioned!
How did Tomer not Brand to avoid discarding there? He also could have just Agent of Treachery'd earlier.
Yeah, exactly my thoughts - why didn't he use brand? 🤔
I mean, green *does* have a time walk, so we're already halfway there.
I forget, what’s green’s time walk?
2:55 I always crack up when Phil comes in with a deep ominous phrase.
Phil could've Exsanguinated enough to kill Tomer and Crim, gaining so much life that Richard may not have been able to kill him. Chance lost
Yeah but there was no way to beat Richard without their help. He had so many Maze of Ith xD
loved this episode and tomer hope you have fun this weekend !
Crim with that oscar performance
Nothing is funnier than crim calling the mono green deck "a hero!"
Phil : I don't know if I can help deal 4 damage to Tomer, also Phil : *Siting on ebondeath and Chandra's ignition*
2:47:40
crim: what ya got?
tomer with a million cards in hand and sea gate: nothing here idk what to do
I am half way through he video, do I like it? I am afraid I don't have enough information to make the decision. :)
Great video multiple unique card interactions.
40:35 As someone who has resolved a scrambleverse in paper, it’s not that bad. The way I do it is I ask the table to hand me all the nonlands, roll a d4, and pass it to the respective player. If you actually try to do it the way it’s stated, yes, your other players will hate you, but the way I did it only takes like a minute or so at most. I also only do it once a game, so that probably helps.
It was really sweet when Phil was complimenting Tomer's deck tech for Zedruu, while also using that knowledge to try and kill him XD
That was a beautiful lock by Richard. Life force painter.
I Love extremely long Commander Clashes.
why did tomer punt when he destroyed the illusions of grandeur, he could have put them all on a clock if he would have casted fractured identity? that sounds like a major punt
No, because each illusion copy would ETB gain 20 life, so only the target of Identity (Crim) loses life there
I love Seth, but Crim actually knows how to fight against the Archenemy Tomer and it makes the game way more enjoyable
Even if it takes more than 3 hours, always kill Tomer first bois
Excellent deck Richard. I loved it 🔥💯
Phil: "Looked like to me you played Cyc Rift"
love it lol
1:20:38 I'm pretty sure the correct line here is to Agent of Treachery to take back the Reliquary Tower, let Crim steal it again, and then on the next turn use the Sun Titan trigger to get back the land swapper dude to take it back AGAIN, with full mana and all those cards to find a way and get rid of Evelynn or Crim.
That line doesn't work if Phil casts the Blasphemous Act that the viewers know is in his hand, but taking a sub optimal line to play around a board wipe you don't know about, right after a board wipe resolved, is not the move.
Was really hoping Crim would be playing his Xander deck.
The fact tomer didn't fractured identity the illusions of grandeur makes me a sad boy.
I love richard's painter's servant combo, I do the same in my monoblack deck with deathgrip.
Green Counter Spell idea: GGG, Instant, "As you cast this spell, note the highest mana value among creatures you control. Counter target spell if its mana value is less than the noted mana value."
Or "Spell Fight", GGG, Instant, "As an additional cost, sacrifice a creature. Counter target spell if its mana value is less than or equal to the sacrificed creature's power."
It should be way more expensive and it should be a flash creature 2GGG 3/3 when spell beast enters the battlefield the creature with the highest power you control fights Target creature spell (if the spell being fought is less than or equal the mana value than the creature who is fighting Power shuffle that spell into their owners library.)
I think fighting a spell should do something different than countering a spell.
This is legit one of my fav decks Richard has ever played. I love control and hate green, but this was sick, lol. Might build it
Cannot believe Richard just full on counter-locked them, seemed a bit of a power level mismatch but was also lots of fun to see.
Tomer is super right at 1:46:01 thats always how it plays out.
I wish I could've double-liked!
Thanks, Niuttuc!
And thank you!
I just started but already Crim teasing the mana drain and terrifying the board is the funniest play ever, man I missed him this season
Ah yes, another game in which Crim helps the table almost as much by running a responsible amount of interaction as he hurts it by the specter of Opposition Agent...
If we get a green counter spell I bet it will only hit enchantments and non-creature artifacts. Or maybe black and/or blue spells. Probably will be an etb effect on a 3/4 cmc flash creature.
They just dropped Green Slime which is pretty close actually.
So excited to see crim back!!!!
Where does one go to submit viewer decks? I've got an esper shenanigans list
"Ancient tomb is a hell of a drug"
I love this. Stealing it
Watching this now and looking at the green adventure dragon. Haha, green Counterspell! Would never happen...
So I’m only a half hour in but my idea for pure green countermagic would be flash creatures with keyword spell savagery or savage casting or whatever but it would essentially be if played when it’s not your turn: counter target spell with lower cmc/power/toughness and would let them print some pretty neat cards. Green has some decent stuff like heroic intervention to respond on their turn but not much to stop the stack.
Not when during spoiler season this was recorded but commander legends 2 does have a green dragon that counters abilities so y'all ain't wrong about green control.
30:25 they're talking about mashle
LOL I have a monogreen control I made just to play one and my wincon is huracain effects and glacial chasm XD
but I use a lot of enchantment to draw cards and annoy value players
Nice build Richard, show them the power of the brocoli!
Richard is completely correct about curses, especially that one. Luckily lead of casual play design (commander) is on record as really disliking those cards so we shouldn't see much design like that from commander products.
So glad that Crim is back!
So where do we find Crim’s actual Evelyn list?
Is there a particular reason the commander clashes are not played via spelltable in general or every once in a while?
MTGO is easier to follow at base and can easily edited for stuff like constant hand cams. It is also much easier to get different decks every week on mtgo, in paper it would require a huge collection for each player or proxying an entire deck every time, or less variety in the decks showcased.
Spelltable also makes some card flat out not really usable, the Gontis and opposition agents and theft in general much harder. Is it better or worse than the missing cards on mtgo? Probably only a sidegrade on the card pool.
There is the occasional paper game, but once a season at most when things line up for it.
Crim said he can kill Tomer if they save him for over an hour. Don't let people tell you politics aren't important.
Phil not killing both Tomer and Crim with Exsanguinate when he had the chance seems like a punt.
It would be kinda playing for second, no way he could have beaten Richard on his own
@@Ricardo-zo1ti Yep, no use in going solo against Maze of Ith tron
"Mono-Green Control" has been my team's 2HG team name for our pre-release events. I guess we need to find something *more* ridiculous now. XD
Richard nonsense is my favorite nonsense.
That was great! Guys, make a short of Crim fake complaining about stacks at the end! Great episode
Richard's deck but with Titania instead of Arasta must be nasty. Focusing on control instead of just getting the elemental tokens.
Richard do something with your hair man lol love you guys.
This right here is why you always run a spell or two that cant be countered. What a wild game 😂!
i realized recently richard is quite salty : )
1:47:43 Crim becomes Beetle
Would love to see crims paper list with the missing cards
This game is like a game of telephone where nobody communicates properly immediately
Can we get some jank themes?
Hrm, wasn't fractured Identity + patrician's scorn on the Illusions of Grandeur basically lethal for most of the table? Could've killed 2 of them with that.
As someone who built a chaos deck - I always always cast Scramble verse. Such a fun card for me! Not so much for my opponents.
Turn 11 Statecraft + Fractured Identity to keep Tomer alive?
TBF my mono green control deck run just as evil... My commander was Kogla turning opponents stuff into artifacts and blowing them up.
What, no game 2?
Phil punt punt punt jesus
I was really hoping Tomer would use Fractured Identity on Illusion of Grandeur and gift the extra copy he got
stack kicker as in kicks a trigger or spell off the stack lol
i love richards deck so much. but man i was rooting for phil to get 1st, that was so close. GG!
2 years later, but Tomer could have fractured identity the visions of grandeur, gifted Richard two of those and Patrician's Scorn insta-kill him
Lore fact of the day: Knight of the white orchid's steed is not in fact a lion, but a leotau, eg Grizzled leotau. They are a race unique to Alara (Bant) that are more sentient than your average horse mount!
Sapient*
@@Dementia55372 nice
Sooo crim and I must have been conjoined twins separated at birth...
1) Doesnt need combos to win
2) is a grixis boi
3) hates green
4) loves chandras
Crim cracks me up, but as someone who loves Jund, his blasphemy against green will not stand. The Greenlings will be heard!!!
I would never play a Mono green deck because I’m not a monster, but I would choose Kogla for Mono Green control, personally. Kogla is also a nice body for the green card draw.
*checks video length.
Y'all need more aggro 🤣
Imagine running solemn simulacrum in mono green...
Best episode
Arasta versus three extremely permanent-based decks. That's magic for ya sometimes, lol
Tomer why not use Fractured Identity on the Greven the turn you destroyed his Whispersilk? Instead of playing two signets and use all gold tokens to cast Puca's Mischief :P Would have all but ensured victory on your coming turn if Phil had to use all his mana to re-cast Greven, instead you were exposed and if Phil had played his turn better would have killed you
He needed Fractured Identity for his combo. The combo is Fractured Identity Nine Lives then in response to losing the game, cast Patrician’s Scorn so the three opponents lose first.
Tomer just could not find his copy of Nine Lives; it was in the bottom 12 of his deck. Tomer wanted to win in that very specific, janky way.
@@ms.sysbit5511 I understand and that would have been cool. But that line of play was incredibly greedy/risky given Phil's boardstate
Because Tomer cannot help himself
Just throw Zedruu into all your decks when playing against Phil and Crim. You don't even need synergies.
Big oof Tomer you're not getting any Baldur's gate....
They can do a D&D themed episode again which would be sweet at least.
Phil is that a Pinky behind you?
Tomer could have cast the agent and stole the Maze?