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2:11 is misleading, at lease in my experience, used the ns7 as well as rane 12s and neither skip under virbration, there is tecnically nothing to skip since there is no needle, not only that but now with the DVS phase system turntables no longer skip as well
Carlo, long time watcher, I really appreciate seeing an entirely different approach to DJing. While you focus more on scratching and very impressive transitions, the way I was trained was more of a subtle "pick the right song and let the crowd vibe" style. I wonder if there is a potential video idea about different schools of thought on how to construct a dj set?
Good idea! Thanks for the suggestion and comment! I guess it's all about balancing a set. I should probably make a tutorial on how to make a well balanced mix!
With today's ddj controllers what platter do you prefer? I'm 51 years old and that's exactly what I remember....beltdrive or direct drive, I'll never forget my older brother sent me some nice turntables from over seas but they were belt drive and I really couldn't work with them.
First of all, thank you for posting your sets and tips for DJs with different equipment and styles. I'm old school from the 80s, and I love the feel and control I have with vinyl. I grew up beat matching vinyl, but now I use Serato and turntables with Phase wireless controllers. This set up has changed my life!! I worked an outdoor gig last week that was pretty windy with no issues. But that works for me. I agree with other comments that everyone is different and you should find what works for you. Keep posting more videos brother. Love the content.
All that coming from someone who's grown up and seen the DJ industry start, thrive, and flourish, that means a lot Luis! New technology will always help make your gigs easier (turntables in the wind in the 80s? Say goodbye to your needles haha). Thanks for the kind words bud, and I'll keep making good stuff with this kind of support!
@@djcarlo you hearted a comment about a guy saying (numark sucks ass) Makes me wonder about you to be honest. He's in the comments taking shit and you hearted it. 🧐.
I like the drag back sound that the motorized ones make when you scratch the advantage of the jog wheel is when you scratch your timing catches up faster and sounds better but with less control..
@@thecreepysilence4290 That's great for Techno fans, but a lot of the world doesn't listen to Techno, or any sort of EDM. For the type of music I like it can't really be done in a live performance way. At least not more than very rare to change shit up. I have an MPC One and can whip up some spontanous boom bap beats for a live performance, but that's much better suited for people like you who do EDM style music. Even tho I don't like that kind of music, I can appericate seeing someone who's good at improvising and creating live EDM on the spot. Just like I can appericate a DJ like Q Bert or Babu doing some crazy turntable shit. If you're a good EDM DJ you can get huge gigs and make big bucks. If you're a hip-hop DJ and tried to do everything live and create music on the spot, pretty sure you'd go broke lol.
Great run down...I've never met a person that touched a motorized platter that wanted to go back to the jog wheel. The modern iteration of motorized platters is coming...like 5 new ones on the market since this video. Gone are the days of the issues you mentioned. Plus everyone, including the crowd getting bored watching Jog Wheels;). Keep it poppin' ya freaks;)
I have the DDJ-REV1 as an upgrade to my DDJ-SB3. I absolutely LOVE It. However I’m working towards getting the RANE ONE in a few months and I’ll keep the Rev1 as my more portable solution etc.
Denon is the king of motorized platters. They have been doing it before the laptop era came about. The SC6000M is the perfect blend of everything. From the past, to the present, to the future. It's got motorized platters. A big laptop screen. Internal hard drive. And internal standalone software. Also they can stream music too.
Really nice outlook!!! I used to swear that working with 1200’s were what needs to be used at all times…but since the jog wheels came out, it actually makes things better because of the non-skip matter, which means something to me, I would love some motorized platters like the Rane MK12’s RaneOne, Rev7 to work with and of course the OG 1200’s (but for my room). With the new technology I can appreciate it, and respect to Carlo for rockin them with ease (well, it did take some practicing to get where he’s at) I’m good with the jog wheels for the time being. I’m eager to learn all I can to get to the next level.
Been following laidback Luke for a while now and I thought is was different to have Denon and travel. Bought the prime 4 beginning of shutdown(bc I don't have a place to put cdjs) and been hooked ever since
Am I missing something, numark ns series has been around for a while. They always seem to get overlooked. As someone who started mixing on soundlab belt drive decks in the early 2000s, the movement was a nice visual aid whilst mixing, I've upgraded to dj controllers since but the first was a numark omni, something about the jog wheels not moving always bugged me, went back to technics 1210s then tried the pioneer ddjsr and again the platters not moving seemed odd, now using numark ns7 3 and despite never having to change the "record" there is something refreshing about still being able to physically slow down/speed up/backspin/scratch the track as opposed to "bumping" it to speed, and the interaction with the platter feels more natural, maybe I'm just too stuck in my ways but being an original vinyl dj the feel for me is everything.
I started on TTS in the 80s I’m not a scratch dj by any stretch of the imagination. But the jogs not moving just doesn’t feel right which makes it less fun. My NS7 II was my favorite controller to play on.
@@jonathanackah5448 entitled to your opinion, would you like to expand on that? For your comment to make any sense I assume you've owned all of numarks products😐
I started with Traktor on the original S4 about 5 years ago. I began moving up the controllers until about 6 months ago I got an S8. No jog wheels. I liked everything about it except that. In the last two weeks I have found two used Denon SC5000M’s at a great price. I am loving the motorized jogs and everything about that player especially getting away from a computer.
@@djcarlo Yes it is. Right now I’m running them through the S8 for a mixer but I am looking for something more compatible like a Denon x1850. I want to tell you that I browse all the other DJ’s on RUclips and you are definitely at the top. Love what you do and how you do it.
@@davidfranks1406 I have a similar journey! started out with the s4 mk2, then went to an s8, then to the s4 mk3 where i realized I loved the feels of the motorized jog wheels. i just got some motorized denons too and i love them. although when doing a lot techy stuff jog wheels/platters seem unecessary when you can just pitch bend with buttons, it's the feel for me of the thing physically moving under my fingers that just triggers a different feeling with the mix. it may not be the most rational but music isn't rational, it's emotional!
i have been learning how to scratch using jogwheel it was taking me a while to get into, the moment i upgraded to the Rane One in less than 3 days i got into the groove and was able to scrach battle after 15 days. Both are great, but motorised platter for me, given i do not like to focus on the laptop when i scratch.
My mentor and DJ partner have been telling me I should learn to play vinyl but the price of turntables is crazy-expensive. Yes, I could get the Rane One or the Pioneer Rev 7 but they one work with Serato. That's about software and spending I have to deal with. Hoping when the Rev 7 is compatible with Rekordbox, I may consider buying it.
I still find it odd that Rekordbox isn't compatible with the Rev 7, given that it's a Pioneer product. Now, while I did start with turntables (and still use 'em!), you don't need to play vinyl man. Getting real records takes up a lot of space, and they're not exactly light either haha
Bro the quality of this video is great. You always impress. I love my Prime 4 very much, but I would love to upgrade to motor platters. They look amazing! One of those is the same price as my whole controller though haha OUCH
Sup Carlo. I just preordered the Rev-7 after using strictly controllers for almost 8 years now. Looking forward to the motorized platters. A lot of the clubs in my area still use turntables (believe it or not). I hope the Rev-7 can prepare me to spin at those places some day.
OMG bro. @ 2:31 you used a very old clip of the first cdj and the subtitles was in my language😆😆😆 I'm surprised and proud at the same time! Anyway I Love your videos🏆
First time i see a video of you but a nice video, i am for a month a proud owner of 3 Denon SC6000M but in the 30 years i DJ are these the first digital decks what i really not like ,but loved to play with these decks wins from the Pioneer CDJ in all ways to sound quality on and these players i have in combination with a Pioneer DJM900NXS2 and 3 Technics SL1210GR with isonoe feets for me as Techno DJ the best DJ set on this moment
I picked up a Denon dns5000 for $50 at an auction. As someone who'd dj'd with vinyl for 20 years plus, the motorized platter was very familiar to me. I find it easier to beat match with a motorized CD player than a non motorized platter like cdj's. It just has that familiar feel. On a cdj, the tension adjust is very important to get the right feel you are used to.
I'm a 4 deck DJ who's mobile so the Prime 4 with jog wheels is my go to. I actually would prefer motorized platters but the SC6000M is the only one that plays 2 decks and that setup is just too big to move around. The NS7ii and iii were the only controllers that had it all, here's hoping someone decides to make one like that again
Yep!! Couldn't have said better. I agreed with everything you said. I started with turntables myself in the early 80's but I quickly adapted to the CD jog wheels when they first came out. Too much fanboyism going around. New or old technology, it's all good. Just find what works best for you and that is the best for you. I got the SC5000M's when they came out so going to the SC6000M's doesn't make sense for me. At some point I will be getting the Rane one's. I'm also currently using the Technics SL-DZ1200 with DVS. Also have the Denon Prime 4 & Pioneer XDJ-XZ. Oh and I forgot the Traktor gear too. Lol
Dang, rockin' some classics there with the SL-DZ! And I'm glad you adapted quickly, and couldn't agree more that everyone just needs to find the system that works best for them. Everything is great as long as you're rockin' the crowd with them!
The Technics cdjs had/have motorized platters and they were the worst cdjs I've ever used. I have been playing for 20 years and I learned and still play sometimes on vinyl and they were so touchy that you could barely touch then
I would recommend getting a good controller to start off with! Check out my Best DJ Gear video for a list of controllers I've tried. Unless you're looking for a motorized one; market is a lot smaller, but they're pretty worth their cost!
But in overall, its just the person who can execute their skills no matter what type of equipment they use Me personally, jog wheels are my on the go for DJing (both scratching and mixing)
I mean, I mentioned it at the start, but since I don't have one yet, I can't do much about reviewing it. It won't arrive in The Philippines for another 2 months soooo....thanks for that Pioneer!
Hi DJ Carlos, In truth, the equipment does not make the DJ, but the quality of the components really weighs and costs. I'm Dominican, and in my country everyone uses Pioneer CDJ, otherwise other DJs don't take you seriously or say you're not professional, but the equipment is extremely expensive. At NAMM a few years ago, I saw the DENON SC5000 and fell in love, but I had my doubts, maybe because the electronic components were not of good quality and because "always, a good DJ should use Pioneer DJ". I dared to buy some Denon SC5000 and I swear I won't change them, that Dual Layer thing and putting my music in Dropbox is fantastic. I would like some 🤤SC6000, but I have no money 😅. I really don't think I'll ever use CDJs again.
The same thing happens in The Philippines Pig-C! Pioneer is the standard here, and some do have the same point of view on equipment, but I have to admit, Denon is making some absolutely amazing equipment, and others like Hercules & Numark are seriously diversifying the controller game.
2:11 is misleading, at lease in my experience, used the ns7 as well as rane 12s and neither skip under virbration, there is tecnically nothing to skip since there is no needle, not only that but now with the DVS phase system turntables no longer skip as well
Not really! There are still DJs who used turntables with needles, so those will really skip haha. But on the NS7 and Rane 12s, you really won't encounter that.
@@djcarlo buts thats things, its chapter is titled "Problems with motorized platters" and the whole video is about controlloers with moving platters, and for you to mention that they skip, when they dont, is misleading, borderline flat out lie. . they dont, i watched this part again and you dont mention that only turntables have this issue, meanwhile this videos is not even about turntables. . to people who dont understand the difference you just stifled thousands of sales since they will watch your video. . . . 2:27 """so motorized moving platters are bit unsafe to use in trouble some enviroments" This is just not true, Im kinda disapointed in this video man. . for the first time the industry is trying to move to motorize platters as a whole [tracktor pioneer, rane, denon] [ i know its been arround longer than that, BUT pioneer never jumped on board before and that shows a shift in the industry. . and your speaking against with misleading info will defintiley put a hurting on it , your reach is huge in the industry and likley will shape the future. not only that but to say there more expensize, this really not a far statement because all pro level controllers are expensize and ussually run in the low to mid thousand, mark only entry level units are afforable. . so yes they cost more but not all that much more. . here is my last and biggest gripe , moving platters inspire turntablism. jog wheels do not, yes with much practice as you pointed out you can emulate certain turntable tricks BUT you have to try as opposed to it just coming natural to the machine, This is why turntablism has more or less died . if you learn and grow on a controller you will never learn turntablism This is why all jog controller djs dont really practice or learn it. . , BUT IF YOU learn on moving platters, turntabliusm comes naturally with your progression in learning will come your progression in turntablism. . , I would guess that 70-90% or more of jog wheel users do not practice any sort of turntablism. you have go out of your way to emulate these technics. . and it seems unless you learned them on a turntable and then try it on a controllers its impossible for most to try it on a controller
Hmmm, I wouldn't say that it's dying out. It's just that having a controller with motorized platters is easier to carry around and set up. I still prefer full turntables when doing exhibition sets.
as ii came from vinyl and turntables i love spinning platters .I have rane 12s but the Denons and the latest from Pioneer are great too .The great thing is that you can find a system that suits you if you can afford it of course
I love the media player capabilities to be used without a laptop with the SC6000M. But my favorite controller right now is still the NS7III by Numark. Soo many features including touch controls. But I know that these videos are usually showcasing more up to date controllers, like today in 2022 everyone is on the the Rev7 which I personally don't think hold a candle to either of the SC6000M or NS7III. I know this is an old video at this time but great job Sir. One.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! Yes, I wanted to focus on more.modern dj gear that's why I didn't mention the Numark! Thanks for sharing your opinion!
I had an ns73 myself, i wasnt impressed by the build quality. After 3 years all my eq knobs had developed a distinct wobble. They still worked fine but they felt very fragile.
i remembered my first exposure to motorisezed platter was the Technics SL-DZ1200 CD turntables…. the technology was ahead of its time but the transition from Pioneer CDJs (CDJ1000 back then)..took me a while to get use to….i end up selling my decks coz i wasnt ready for such hi-tech…but now i regret selling them….
Always be ready to embrace the future bud! But man, the SL-DZ looked like a slice of the far future. I remember seeing one and just .... getting scared? This was back when I was new haha
@@djcarlo agreed Carlo...being a 43yo.. started with turntables n the grandfather CDJ500.. n seeing the current high-tech DJ gears really amazed me n hard to catch up..😰😭😅.. (thanks to ur videos, u educated old skool DJ like myself) anyes, the SL-DZ back then scared alot of ppl including myself.... hope u could do a historical video of DJ gears one day...eg. the first DJ turntable, first mixer..first CDJ...etc..that would be an interesting topic/video..🙏🏻😀 just a thought..🙋🏻♂️
As an amateur who has been mixing and using multiple choices, i have had 4 plates, 2 akiyama 2000, 1 acura and 1 technics, 1 controller and now im using cdj with mixer, first thing, technics is waaaaaaaaaay better than any of these, with the acura you can manipulate the pitch and the speed to the netx leve (33/45/78 rpm) and pitch +/10/20/50. so for manipulating the song its cool but you wont use this unless you really want to be a battle dj (in my opinion). motorized jog wheels/platters its very cool but only if you dont want to spend 2k in a really good battle mixer plus 2 turntables (cartridges or phase will increase the budget to 300 $/€)(2k +300+ 1200 its a lot) So if you want to start djing and dont care about scratch-> go for not motorized if you are a dj and dont care about scratch and want to improve ur set up, same option but if you want to feel the vinyl and dont want to spend a lot go for a motorized controller. if you want to spend a lot of money go for all xD
I’ve heard such good things about Denon lately. It’s hard for me to get away from Pioneer and Technics players since they’re the club/bar/venue standard.
Moving platters have always been to me a big why ! But I guess it could be fun, haven’t tried but I doubt the feel is nothing near 1200 /1210 back in the day, also feeling the sonic range through the needle
Vast majority is a manner of perspective. When I began Dj'ing there were no ready made digital controllers. The few that were working off synths and keyboards alone at the time (closest comparison at the time) are now legends. When they started coming out the "vast majority" tended to see those fledgling controller setups as something of a gimmick and those using them as not being serious or "real" DJs. Times clearly change. I came up learning on turntables so a motorized controller feels incredibly comfortable given how familiar beatmatching via rpm control was a must have skill. Coming from that far back, I always get a laugh out of what people see as serious equipment/skills these days. As you've pointed out Carlo, how you put on the show and the rig you use is far less important than the quality of the show you put out. I imagine a digital rig, no motor, is great for most these days but a cat like me still loves his tables and anything that can bring that feel. Current setup is 2xTechnics, DDJ1000-SRT, best of both worlds for me.
Dang! That's a sick 4 deck setup! Must be huge though! Thanks for sharing your thoughts man! Glad you found this video of value and glad you shared your opinion on real DJs lol. That setup is sick! It's just way too big for me though haha
Unless you're a scratch DJ with all the fancy tricks there's no need for motorised platters... but I want them anyway just because I think they look better. Maybe because I learnt on vinyl though, something nostalgic about it.
I'm sad my Numark NS7iii bit the dust, it's a hit or miss on whether it wants to fully function that day or not so I no longer gig with it but still have it around to mess with
I think it's not-so-much a "feel" as CDJs & other multiplayers have some weight added to the jogwheel but rather that multiplayers have feedback and resistance when moving the platter. Personally, I don't know why anyone would want a motorised platter pushing back and resisting as you're trying to manipulate it and get it beat. Also, motorization adds other component to break and/or burnout easily, as anything kinetic will.
I guess there's some sort of demand for them too. You do have a point though with regards to the components breaking due to wear and tear from the motion.
I’m not a scratch dj, but still prefer motorised platters. Like you said, I prefer the tactility of a moving platter. Love playing on the SC6000Ms, but I find engine dj software very slow at syncing tunes from serato, and slow again at syncing times between the computer and the player
I like the Jogs even though I used to just use turntables. My favorite jogs are the Pioneer CDJ 3000 and the Denon L6000 both of those jogs are so smooth and responsive they are almost elegant. I plan on getting a motorized player to mess around with. My gut leads me towards the Rane but I don't like how you need a laptop to use it (unless I could use it to control one of the off decks on the Prime 4) so I will probably get the Denon one at some point.
I've made a healthy living as a pro dj on a Numark ns7ii at live events for the last roughly 8 years. it's different, hard to descibe but yes, it makes a difference, at least in my opinion.
Do controllers with motorized platters have their own power supply?..coz if dont and it only relies to Bus power, another disadvantage is that it will easily drain your laptop's battery.
I still rock my NS7 because I love the vinyl feel but its so heavy that I only spin at home with it. I take my SB3 or Mixstream Pro when I do gigs because they are lighter and easy to move around. Ive found that most audience cant see me so it really doesnt make a difference what I spin on as long as the music is good
Nice ! I Think jog is just for club dj, mororized platers for open format + scratch. Btw im w8in for test ddj400 vs rev1 or just rev1. You are best tester for me bcs are you watching for setup like scratch dj not just club dj. Best regards from Poland !;)
It's not the hardware that makes you a good Deejay it's you and your hard work you put into Deejay if you want to be international Deejay like you and many others like my favourite Armin van Buuren.
Indeed. It's really about practice; the jogwheel vs motorized platter argument has nothing to do with skill here for me, it's mostly about preference and what you need for the best performance.
As a DJ for 30 years I have to have the best of both worlds. Moving Platters SC5000M & SC600M. How time has revolved since 1987 (putting nickel/penny on the needle to keep it from skipping LoL!) coming from "WAX" to CD's to now Media players it brings you backwash all the features from then to now. !!! Enough Said to those Push Button DJ who only have 1 style !!!!!
@@djcarlo LoL I used to have the ol Technics belt driven turntables then got to Germany in 1987 and purchased my 1st 1210's and still put the coin on the needle til I got use to it. Too funny :)
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Soo um I'm buy a ddj 1000
I always enjoyed your videos, however I did not know you have skills like that.
2:11 is misleading, at lease in my experience, used the ns7 as well as rane 12s and neither skip under virbration, there is tecnically nothing to skip since there is no needle, not only that but now with the DVS phase system turntables no longer skip as well
great vid as always . I have a question ,Do you think they will come out with a rane 2 some time next year?
Carlo, long time watcher, I really appreciate seeing an entirely different approach to DJing. While you focus more on scratching and very impressive transitions, the way I was trained was more of a subtle "pick the right song and let the crowd vibe" style. I wonder if there is a potential video idea about different schools of thought on how to construct a dj set?
Good idea! Thanks for the suggestion and comment! I guess it's all about balancing a set. I should probably make a tutorial on how to make a well balanced mix!
Agreed, if it's not a turntable contest, then song selection should be first priority:)
It’s great there are so many options these days. When I started DJing the options were belt or direct drive turntables and that was it
Yeah same here! More options the better!
With today's ddj controllers what platter do you prefer? I'm 51 years old and that's exactly what I remember....beltdrive or direct drive, I'll never forget my older brother sent me some nice turntables from over seas but they were belt drive and I really couldn't work with them.
Nothing better than to feel the music.
Hopefully more DJs try motorized platters out!
First of all, thank you for posting your sets and tips for DJs with different equipment and styles. I'm old school from the 80s, and I love the feel and control I have with vinyl. I grew up beat matching vinyl, but now I use Serato and turntables with Phase wireless controllers. This set up has changed my life!! I worked an outdoor gig last week that was pretty windy with no issues. But that works for me. I agree with other comments that everyone is different and you should find what works for you. Keep posting more videos brother. Love the content.
All that coming from someone who's grown up and seen the DJ industry start, thrive, and flourish, that means a lot Luis! New technology will always help make your gigs easier (turntables in the wind in the 80s? Say goodbye to your needles haha). Thanks for the kind words bud, and I'll keep making good stuff with this kind of support!
motorized platters 4 life. I love that we are in a spinning platter renaissance currently with so many options to choose from.
I see I'm not the only one who's noticed! I'm glad more companies are bringing them back!
Love the fact that you included all kinds of equipment in this video! All brands, all sizes of gear!
Thanks man! Really wanted to put variety in this video. Glad you saw the diversity!
@@djcarlo you hearted a comment about a guy saying (numark sucks ass) Makes me wonder about you to be honest.
He's in the comments taking shit and you hearted it. 🧐.
I like the drag back sound that the motorized ones make when you scratch the advantage of the jog wheel is when you scratch your timing catches up faster and sounds better but with less control..
Thanks for sharing that preference! Nice to know you know your controllers well!
Something i've noticed too. There's no pull back, or not as much of one on jogs. Sounds more natural and closer to vinyl to me.
@@thecreepysilence4290 That's great for Techno fans, but a lot of the world doesn't listen to Techno, or any sort of EDM. For the type of music I like it can't really be done in a live performance way. At least not more than very rare to change shit up. I have an MPC One and can whip up some spontanous boom bap beats for a live performance, but that's much better suited for people like you who do EDM style music. Even tho I don't like that kind of music, I can appericate seeing someone who's good at improvising and creating live EDM on the spot. Just like I can appericate a DJ like Q Bert or Babu doing some crazy turntable shit.
If you're a good EDM DJ you can get huge gigs and make big bucks. If you're a hip-hop DJ and tried to do everything live and create music on the spot, pretty sure you'd go broke lol.
I like how straight-to-the-point practical and informative you are and your videos
Thanks Dash! Really glad you appreciate the vids the way they are!
Great run down...I've never met a person that touched a motorized platter that wanted to go back to the jog wheel. The modern iteration of motorized platters is coming...like 5 new ones on the market since this video. Gone are the days of the issues you mentioned. Plus everyone, including the crowd getting bored watching Jog Wheels;). Keep it poppin' ya freaks;)
I getya. It's all about taste. I just like the stability of using Jog Wheels.
I have the DDJ-REV1 as an upgrade to my DDJ-SB3. I absolutely LOVE It. However I’m working towards getting the RANE ONE in a few months and I’ll keep the Rev1 as my more portable solution etc.
Ohhh! Glad to know that! Let me know your thoughts once you got hold of it!
arent you afraid the rane 2 will come out
Denon is the king of motorized platters. They have been doing it before the laptop era came about. The SC6000M is the perfect blend of everything. From the past, to the present, to the future. It's got motorized platters. A big laptop screen. Internal hard drive. And internal standalone software. Also they can stream music too.
I'm glad they brought back their motorized platter tech for some of their newer stuff! I really enjoyed the feel!
Really nice outlook!!! I used to swear that working with 1200’s were what needs to be used at all times…but since the jog wheels came out, it actually makes things better because of the non-skip matter, which means something to me, I would love some motorized platters like the Rane MK12’s RaneOne, Rev7 to work with and of course the OG 1200’s (but for my room). With the new technology I can appreciate it, and respect to Carlo for rockin them with ease (well, it did take some practicing to get where he’s at)
I’m good with the jog wheels for the time being. I’m eager to learn all I can to get to the next level.
Indeed Benny! I'm guessing that's why most DJ gear no longer utilize motorized platters. But it's nice to get that analogue feel again!
Good advice! Thanks! 🍀
For sure bud! Glad you liked the video!
Information and break down is top notch! And enjoyable to watch! Thanks!!
Glad you think so Drews! I really try as hard as possible to leave no stone unturned!
Very informative video. Your work inspired me to start DJing again after 16 years.
That's so nice to hear! Thanks for all the love and positivity my man! Happy you picked up the hobby again!
Thank you, I really appreciate your explanations and all, keep it up.
For sure Willie! Glad the explanations help!
Love the Jog Wheels on my Rev-1 for mixing and beat matching, thinking its the Rev-5 next seems like a good upgrade 💯💯
Could be a good one! More features for sure!
HE'S A DENON GUY HELL YEAH . Love you Carlo!!!
They're really stepping up their A game with DJ equipment!
Been following laidback Luke for a while now and I thought is was different to have Denon and travel. Bought the prime 4 beginning of shutdown(bc I don't have a place to put cdjs) and been hooked ever since
Am I missing something, numark ns series has been around for a while. They always seem to get overlooked. As someone who started mixing on soundlab belt drive decks in the early 2000s, the movement was a nice visual aid whilst mixing, I've upgraded to dj controllers since but the first was a numark omni, something about the jog wheels not moving always bugged me, went back to technics 1210s then tried the pioneer ddjsr and again the platters not moving seemed odd, now using numark ns7 3 and despite never having to change the "record" there is something refreshing about still being able to physically slow down/speed up/backspin/scratch the track as opposed to "bumping" it to speed, and the interaction with the platter feels more natural, maybe I'm just too stuck in my ways but being an original vinyl dj the feel for me is everything.
Bro Numark Sucks ass
I started on TTS in the 80s I’m not a scratch dj by any stretch of the imagination. But the jogs not moving just doesn’t feel right which makes it less fun. My NS7 II was my favorite controller to play on.
@@jonathanackah5448 entitled to your opinion, would you like to expand on that? For your comment to make any sense I assume you've owned all of numarks products😐
@@DJCrisisUK I wouldn't listen to that person.
Let him keep thinking that 👍
Totally get your point and understandil you. Sorry about not including those Numatrks!
I came from 1200's and CDJs but I love my Rane One!
Quite the machine, isn't it? It's got a best of both worlds feel to it!
Great video! At the end of the day, it really depends on how you will utilize an equipment, especially on a live environment. Big up, Carlo!
Yo Nikita! Been a while man! And it really is. As long as everyone is enjoying, we're good!
Big budget dream... Wish every dj can make true. RANE One, RANE Twelve, REV 7, PLX Cross12, Denon 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Oh that'd be an awesome set up!
love the honesty..
That's what I try to give on this channel!
I started with Traktor on the original S4 about 5 years ago. I began moving up the controllers until about 6 months ago I got an S8. No jog wheels. I liked everything about it except that. In the last two weeks I have found two used Denon SC5000M’s at a great price. I am loving the motorized jogs and everything about that player especially getting away from a computer.
Dang, now THAT's an upgrade David!
@@djcarlo Yes it is. Right now I’m running them through the S8 for a mixer but I am looking for something more compatible like a Denon x1850. I want to tell you that I browse all the other DJ’s on RUclips and you are definitely at the top. Love what you do and how you do it.
@@davidfranks1406 I have a similar journey! started out with the s4 mk2, then went to an s8, then to the s4 mk3 where i realized I loved the feels of the motorized jog wheels. i just got some motorized denons too and i love them. although when doing a lot techy stuff jog wheels/platters seem unecessary when you can just pitch bend with buttons, it's the feel for me of the thing physically moving under my fingers that just triggers a different feeling with the mix. it may not be the most rational but music isn't rational, it's emotional!
I was thinking about getting an S4 mk3 when I found the Denon. Since my post I have acquired the X1800 mixer. Triple threat now! LOL!
Always getting real talk with Carlo Atendido!
For sure Peter! I just tell it like it is!
The hungarian ad made me laugh uncontrollably👌
Hahaha, I thought it was Polish? The things I find for B Roll i swear 😆
i have been learning how to scratch using jogwheel it was taking me a while to get into, the moment i upgraded to the Rane One in less than 3 days i got into the groove and was able to scrach battle after 15 days. Both are great, but motorised platter for me, given i do not like to focus on the laptop when i scratch.
Absolutely! Scratching on jogwheels takes some time to get into; I do prefer the moving sensation when scratching.
really interesting
What's your opinion on Jog Wheels?
@@djcarlo my opinion is that jog wheels are much more convenient. it is smaller and lighter in weight
I'm in Nigeria 🇳🇬, I mostly In club where my fans wanna dance and forget there sorrows.... I give my best with JogWheels. So I prefer it.
Keeping making the fans dance bud!
good information carlo
Thanks Tushar! Glad you liked the video!
OMG that part at 2:31 is from a Hungarian tutorial from the '90s 😁
So I've been told! Had lots of helpful translations in the comments hehe
My mentor and DJ partner have been telling me I should learn to play vinyl but the price of turntables is crazy-expensive. Yes, I could get the Rane One or the Pioneer Rev 7 but they one work with Serato. That's about software and spending I have to deal with. Hoping when the Rev 7 is compatible with Rekordbox, I may consider buying it.
I still find it odd that Rekordbox isn't compatible with the Rev 7, given that it's a Pioneer product. Now, while I did start with turntables (and still use 'em!), you don't need to play vinyl man. Getting real records takes up a lot of space, and they're not exactly light either haha
Bro the quality of this video is great. You always impress. I love my Prime 4 very much, but I would love to upgrade to motor platters. They look amazing! One of those is the same price as my whole controller though haha OUCH
Ouch indeed haha. Same thing some of my other DJ friends told me when they saw the price tag.
@@djcarlo We cannot all be absolute ballers like your good self haha
Sup Carlo. I just preordered the Rev-7 after using strictly controllers for almost 8 years now. Looking forward to the motorized platters. A lot of the clubs in my area still use turntables (believe it or not). I hope the Rev-7 can prepare me to spin at those places some day.
Dang! At least you guys still have turntables around haha. Enjoy the Rev 7 bud! I can't wait to get my hands on one as well.
OMG bro. @ 2:31 you used a very old clip of the first cdj and the subtitles was in my language😆😆😆 I'm surprised and proud at the same time! Anyway I Love your videos🏆
Haha thank you my Hungarian bro! Glad you caught that! Peace and love to you guys!
@@djcarlo 🤝🙌
Love the tutorials Carlo ? I have 1210”s and 850 cdjs xdjxz and xdj3000.. I love the fact that I can use all 😎🎶🎶
That's awesome Nicky! Man, you got some top tier equipment there!
dont regret! diversify!
Absolutely no regrets in diversifying!
2:34 Hungarians hit like just because
Hahahaha, not everyday I find a video for DJ equipment in Hungarian!
I loved the jog wheels on the ddj 1000 but after getting a Rane One, I love the feel of moving platters.
Yeah there is some magic on those moving platters!
First time i see a video of you but a nice video, i am for a month a proud owner of 3 Denon SC6000M but in the 30 years i DJ are these the first digital decks what i really not like ,but loved to play with these decks wins from the Pioneer CDJ in all ways to sound quality on and these players i have in combination with a Pioneer DJM900NXS2 and 3 Technics SL1210GR with isonoe feets for me as Techno DJ the best DJ set on this moment
Nice! Love the 1210 and 900nexus combo there. But yeah, the SC6000M's are something else!
The hardest thing for me would be switching from rekordbox to Serato since I have most of my playlists within that software
There are many softwares out there that help you convert! Hope you can try it out!
I love motorized platters. I don’t ever want to go back. But I DJ hip hop. For EDM it’s not necessary.
I agree with the latter statement. It feels strange to use motorized jog wheels with EDM hahaha
this video was excellent especially the bit at 3:33 because its so true this is who Numark are currently aiming their dj controllers at 🤣
HAHAHAHAHA, okay that made me laugh
I picked up a Denon dns5000 for $50 at an auction. As someone who'd dj'd with vinyl for 20 years plus, the motorized platter was very familiar to me. I find it easier to beat match with a motorized CD player than a non motorized platter like cdj's. It just has that familiar feel. On a cdj, the tension adjust is very important to get the right feel you are used to.
That's a great price for it yo!
@@djcarlo I know, hard to resist. It looked a bit worn, but after a thorough clean, it came up mint and functioned perfectly.
I'm a 4 deck DJ who's mobile so the Prime 4 with jog wheels is my go to. I actually would prefer motorized platters but the SC6000M is the only one that plays 2 decks and that setup is just too big to move around. The NS7ii and iii were the only controllers that had it all, here's hoping someone decides to make one like that again
I'm sure Denon will come with something more innovative in the future! Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Actually 2:33 the sentence on the picture means ' With the JOG DIAL you can find the szarting point'. I know it because I'm Hungarian
Oh wow! Thanks for translating that man!
Dj carlo you can play on anything an sound good.
I try! That's why I tinker around with the equipment alot haha
SC6000Ms are next level!
They are! Quite a cut above the rest.
Phase gives you the best of both worlds at an even more affordable price especially if you already own a pair of turntables 👌
Fairly true! Battery is the only thing working against you there haha, though it does last for quite a while
@@djcarlo so far I have never played long enough to see the battery depleted.
@@djcarlo but I must say I also own a pair of sc5000m's for an even more digital experience, I luv'em!!!!!!
2:32 hungarian sign says you can find the startpoint
Cool! It was a pretty cool Retro video I stumbled upon
I personally prefer the phase wireless timecode mounted on the technics SL 1299 !
Ohhhh, yeah! Phase is pretty amazing in itself! Used it a few times before
2:47 Are you in the Taiwan's Shihfen Old Street?
2:52 Is that the Pioneer DJ Sanchuang Exhibition Center?
Yes and yes! I went to Taiwan!.check out my vlog on it!
Yep!! Couldn't have said better. I agreed with everything you said. I started with turntables myself in the early 80's but I quickly adapted to the CD jog wheels when they first came out. Too much fanboyism going around. New or old technology, it's all good. Just find what works best for you and that is the best for you. I got the SC5000M's when they came out so going to the SC6000M's doesn't make sense for me. At some point I will be getting the Rane one's. I'm also currently using the Technics SL-DZ1200 with DVS. Also have the Denon Prime 4 & Pioneer XDJ-XZ. Oh and I forgot the Traktor gear too. Lol
Dang, rockin' some classics there with the SL-DZ! And I'm glad you adapted quickly, and couldn't agree more that everyone just needs to find the system that works best for them. Everything is great as long as you're rockin' the crowd with them!
The Technics cdjs had/have motorized platters and they were the worst cdjs I've ever used. I have been playing for 20 years and I learned and still play sometimes on vinyl and they were so touchy that you could barely touch then
Ooof, maybe that's why the Technics ones didn't stick around for long? I remember seeing them when they came out and, honestly, I was intimidated haha
Turntables for life
Still my go to for performance mixes!
god I really want one! I always wanted to practice doing some mixes
I would recommend getting a good controller to start off with! Check out my Best DJ Gear video for a list of controllers I've tried. Unless you're looking for a motorized one; market is a lot smaller, but they're pretty worth their cost!
@@djcarlo Aight I'll look it up, thank you!!
But in overall, its just the person who can execute their skills no matter what type of equipment they use
Me personally, jog wheels are my on the go for DJing (both scratching and mixing)
Yes totally agree! It's what you use that matters the most!
Just picked up the sc6000s bruhn they are legit! 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Those things are so good! Glad you like em!
thank goodness for Numrak Party Mix for having an enabled/disabled scratch LUL
It's good to have options!
Surprised the Rev 7 wasn't in this video.
I mean, I mentioned it at the start, but since I don't have one yet, I can't do much about reviewing it. It won't arrive in The Philippines for another 2 months soooo....thanks for that Pioneer!
Hi DJ Carlos, In truth, the equipment does not make the DJ, but the quality of the components really weighs and costs. I'm Dominican, and in my country everyone uses Pioneer CDJ, otherwise other DJs don't take you seriously or say you're not professional, but the equipment is extremely expensive. At NAMM a few years ago, I saw the DENON SC5000 and fell in love, but I had my doubts, maybe because the electronic components were not of good quality and because "always, a good DJ should use Pioneer DJ". I dared to buy some Denon SC5000 and I swear I won't change them, that Dual Layer thing and putting my music in Dropbox is fantastic. I would like some 🤤SC6000, but I have no money 😅. I really don't think I'll ever use CDJs again.
The same thing happens in The Philippines Pig-C! Pioneer is the standard here, and some do have the same point of view on equipment, but I have to admit, Denon is making some absolutely amazing equipment, and others like Hercules & Numark are seriously diversifying the controller game.
@@djcarlo check the answer below,👇👇👇
2:11 is misleading, at lease in my experience, used the ns7 as well as rane 12s and neither skip under virbration, there is tecnically nothing to skip since there is no needle, not only that but now with the DVS phase system turntables no longer skip as well
Not really! There are still DJs who used turntables with needles, so those will really skip haha. But on the NS7 and Rane 12s, you really won't encounter that.
@@djcarlo buts thats things, its chapter is titled "Problems with motorized platters" and the whole video is about controlloers with moving platters, and for you to mention that they skip, when they dont, is misleading, borderline flat out lie. . they dont, i watched this part again and you dont mention that only turntables have this issue, meanwhile this videos is not even about turntables. . to people who dont understand the difference you just stifled thousands of sales since they will watch your video. . . . 2:27 """so motorized moving platters are bit unsafe to use in trouble some enviroments" This is just not true, Im kinda disapointed in this video man. . for the first time the industry is trying to move to motorize platters as a whole [tracktor pioneer, rane, denon] [ i know its been arround longer than that, BUT pioneer never jumped on board before and that shows a shift in the industry. . and your speaking against with misleading info will defintiley put a hurting on it , your reach is huge in the industry and likley will shape the future. not only that but to say there more expensize, this really not a far statement because all pro level controllers are expensize and ussually run in the low to mid thousand, mark only entry level units are afforable. . so yes they cost more but not all that much more. . here is my last and biggest gripe , moving platters inspire turntablism. jog wheels do not, yes with much practice as you pointed out you can emulate certain turntable tricks BUT you have to try as opposed to it just coming natural to the machine, This is why turntablism has more or less died . if you learn and grow on a controller you will never learn turntablism This is why all jog controller djs dont really practice or learn it. . , BUT IF YOU learn on moving platters, turntabliusm comes naturally with your progression in learning will come your progression in turntablism. . , I would guess that 70-90% or more of jog wheel users do not practice any sort of turntablism. you have go out of your way to emulate these technics. . and it seems unless you learned them on a turntable and then try it on a controllers its impossible for most to try it on a controller
Is digital vinyl dying out ? I guess some will still prefer that classic feeling over Cotrollers of any type.
Hmmm, I wouldn't say that it's dying out. It's just that having a controller with motorized platters is easier to carry around and set up. I still prefer full turntables when doing exhibition sets.
as ii came from vinyl and turntables i love spinning platters .I have rane 12s but the Denons and the latest from Pioneer are great too .The great thing is that you can find a system that suits you if you can afford it of course
Very true Danielle! Everyone has the right set up for them!
a review on the numark party mix 2 would be fun to make a video on
Maybe in the future! Thanks for the suggestion!
I love the media player capabilities to be used without a laptop with the SC6000M. But my favorite controller right now is still the NS7III by Numark. Soo many features including touch controls. But I know that these videos are usually showcasing more up to date controllers, like today in 2022 everyone is on the the Rev7 which I personally don't think hold a candle to either of the SC6000M or NS7III. I know this is an old video at this time but great job Sir. One.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! Yes, I wanted to focus on more.modern dj gear that's why I didn't mention the Numark! Thanks for sharing your opinion!
I had an ns73 myself, i wasnt impressed by the build quality. After 3 years all my eq knobs had developed a distinct wobble. They still worked fine but they felt very fragile.
i remembered my first exposure to motorisezed platter was the Technics SL-DZ1200 CD turntables…. the technology was ahead of its time but the transition from Pioneer CDJs (CDJ1000 back then)..took me a while to get use to….i end up selling my decks coz i wasnt ready for such hi-tech…but now i regret selling them….
Always be ready to embrace the future bud! But man, the SL-DZ looked like a slice of the far future. I remember seeing one and just .... getting scared? This was back when I was new haha
@@djcarlo agreed Carlo...being a 43yo.. started with turntables n the grandfather CDJ500.. n seeing the current high-tech DJ gears really amazed me n hard to catch up..😰😭😅.. (thanks to ur videos, u educated old skool DJ like myself) anyes, the SL-DZ back then scared alot of ppl including myself.... hope u could do a historical video of DJ gears one day...eg. the first DJ turntable, first mixer..first CDJ...etc..that would be an interesting topic/video..🙏🏻😀 just a thought..🙋🏻♂️
As an amateur who has been mixing and using multiple choices, i have had 4 plates, 2 akiyama 2000, 1 acura and 1 technics, 1 controller and now im using cdj with mixer, first thing, technics is waaaaaaaaaay better than any of these, with the acura you can manipulate the pitch and the speed to the netx leve (33/45/78 rpm) and pitch +/10/20/50. so for manipulating the song its cool but you wont use this unless you really want to be a battle dj (in my opinion). motorized jog wheels/platters its very cool but only if you dont want to spend 2k in a really good battle mixer plus 2 turntables (cartridges or phase will increase the budget to 300 $/€)(2k +300+ 1200 its a lot)
So if you want to start djing and dont care about scratch-> go for not motorized
if you are a dj and dont care about scratch and want to improve ur set up, same option but if you want to feel the vinyl and dont want to spend a lot go for a motorized controller. if you want to spend a lot of money go for all xD
Love the breakdown on all 3 options here YVS! Very well put!
I’ve heard such good things about Denon lately. It’s hard for me to get away from Pioneer and Technics players since they’re the club/bar/venue standard.
I agree ,Denon is the king ,the sc6000m is the best player!!
Right?! So underrated!
Moving platters have always been to me a big why ! But I guess it could be fun, haven’t tried but I doubt the feel is nothing near 1200 /1210 back in the day, also feeling the sonic range through the needle
It's not quite the same, but it's a similar feeling!
Vast majority is a manner of perspective. When I began Dj'ing there were no ready made digital controllers. The few that were working off synths and keyboards alone at the time (closest comparison at the time) are now legends. When they started coming out the "vast majority" tended to see those fledgling controller setups as something of a gimmick and those using them as not being serious or "real" DJs. Times clearly change. I came up learning on turntables so a motorized controller feels incredibly comfortable given how familiar beatmatching via rpm control was a must have skill. Coming from that far back, I always get a laugh out of what people see as serious equipment/skills these days. As you've pointed out Carlo, how you put on the show and the rig you use is far less important than the quality of the show you put out. I imagine a digital rig, no motor, is great for most these days but a cat like me still loves his tables and anything that can bring that feel. Current setup is 2xTechnics, DDJ1000-SRT, best of both worlds for me.
Dang! That's a sick 4 deck setup! Must be huge though! Thanks for sharing your thoughts man! Glad you found this video of value and glad you shared your opinion on real DJs lol. That setup is sick! It's just way too big for me though haha
Unless you're a scratch DJ with all the fancy tricks there's no need for motorised platters... but I want them anyway just because I think they look better. Maybe because I learnt on vinyl though, something nostalgic about it.
There's some magic in those moving platters! Totally get ya!
salute motorized is the way to go I just got 2 numark V7s gotta save up for some rane 12s I already have a rane 70
That's a nice setup! You're on the way to moving platters heaven!
I'm sad my Numark NS7iii bit the dust, it's a hit or miss on whether it wants to fully function that day or not so I no longer gig with it but still have it around to mess with
Oh man! I'm so sorry to hear about your NS7ii Scottie! At least you've still got it.
I think it's not-so-much a "feel" as CDJs & other multiplayers have some weight added to the jogwheel but rather that multiplayers have feedback and resistance when moving the platter. Personally, I don't know why anyone would want a motorised platter pushing back and resisting as you're trying to manipulate it and get it beat. Also, motorization adds other component to break and/or burnout easily, as anything kinetic will.
I guess there's some sort of demand for them too. You do have a point though with regards to the components breaking due to wear and tear from the motion.
I’m not a scratch dj, but still prefer motorised platters. Like you said, I prefer the tactility of a moving platter. Love playing on the SC6000Ms, but I find engine dj software very slow at syncing tunes from serato, and slow again at syncing times between the computer and the player
Interesting observations Adam!
I just bought the DDJ-FLX6! Any advice for starting out and where can you self learn to dj for free?
Just watch my RUclips channel and you should be good!
You’re in the right place!
@@djcarlo lol that’s why I subscribed.
Could you please do a video on Boris Brejcha's mixing and transition techniques?
Let me check out Boris for a possible future breakdown!
@@djcarlo Amazing, thanks for considering! He's my favourite DJ, I find his music and sets to be amazing :)
2:52 ❤❤❤
Really enjoyed doing that!
Choose my old but excellent SL-1200MK3 de 1991 de Technics, bring from USA for use in clubs and discos for 2 decades
That's an absolute classic Guille! If it still works, keep it alive!
Yea Denon is just so flexible! You can can literally walk in a club and you will still be good. Put your music in Dropbox and your good to go!!
That's the magic of those units! Nice seeing you again Mac!
@@djcarlo same here Carlos
You still use turntables, with phase no bumps or feedback with them.
Only drawback is that Phase doesn't work with *all* programs yet. But I do say, Phase is still pretty damn revolutionary!
I like the Jogs even though I used to just use turntables. My favorite jogs are the Pioneer CDJ 3000 and the Denon L6000 both of those jogs are so smooth and responsive they are almost elegant. I plan on getting a motorized player to mess around with. My gut leads me towards the Rane but I don't like how you need a laptop to use it (unless I could use it to control one of the off decks on the Prime 4) so I will probably get the Denon one at some point.
Yes the Denon is a good buy! You can't go wrong with those units! Thanks for sharing your favorite jog wheels!
The main learning is that you have to be flexible according to the situation.
That's true! It's good to always master each equipment!
Like you said at the end of this video if you want the best turntable experience go with the Rane MKIIs👍
Some top notch decks right there!
I like jog wheels but I might try motorized one day
I hope you do! There's just some magic in those things!
I've made a healthy living as a pro dj on a Numark ns7ii at live events for the last roughly 8 years. it's different, hard to descibe but yes, it makes a difference, at least in my opinion.
I get you on that! The NS7ii really makes a difference. One of the controllers that Numark really struck gold on if you ask me
Technics bought out motorised jog wheels even before the cdj1000 but they never caught on.
Right right! How I wish Technics would focus more.on the dj game!
Do controllers with motorized platters have their own power supply?..coz if dont and it only relies to Bus power, another disadvantage is that it will easily drain your laptop's battery.
They all need their own power supply!
Still love the Pioneer RX2, 1 X Cdj800mk2, 2 X Technics 1200mk5, Vinyl still feels best for scratching but I've not tried that much on RX2
That's a sick setup! Lotsa good equipment there! There's just something so nice about moving Platters!
carlo can you please explain how to double drop in next video
Good suggestion! I'll try to do it!
@@djcarlo thanks carlo
I still rock my NS7 because I love the vinyl feel but its so heavy that I only spin at home with it. I take my SB3 or Mixstream Pro when I do gigs because they are lighter and easy to move around. Ive found that most audience cant see me so it really doesnt make a difference what I spin on as long as the music is good
Looks like you got the best of both worlds setup there! I too do the same thing in which I bring lighter controllers around!
Nice ! I Think jog is just for club dj, mororized platers for open format + scratch. Btw im w8in for test ddj400 vs rev1 or just rev1. You are best tester for me bcs are you watching for setup like scratch dj not just club dj. Best regards from Poland !;)
Thanks buddy! Love and peace to you guys! Appreciate the suggestion! I certainly agree!
It's not the hardware that makes you a good Deejay it's you and your hard work you put into Deejay if you want to be international Deejay like you and many others like my favourite Armin van Buuren.
Indeed. It's really about practice; the jogwheel vs motorized platter argument has nothing to do with skill here for me, it's mostly about preference and what you need for the best performance.
I love turntables but for clubbing jog wheels
Same as me then!
Great video. I have a controller with jog wheels but I'm hoping to be able to afford motorized platters.....one day.
I'm sure you will find them super worth it!
Can u give me your overall opinion on the rev7 ?
I.....can't. Because it won't arrive in The Philippines for another 2ish months, so I haven't had the chance to touch one yet.
As a DJ for 30 years I have to have the best of both worlds. Moving Platters SC5000M & SC600M. How time has revolved since 1987 (putting nickel/penny on the needle to keep it from skipping LoL!) coming from "WAX" to CD's to now Media players it brings you backwash all the features from then to now. !!! Enough Said to those Push Button DJ who only have 1 style !!!!!
Funny how it's come full circle, huh? I actually still did that coin-on-the-needle trick when I was starting out on my 1200s!
@@djcarlo LoL I used to have the ol Technics belt driven turntables then got to Germany in 1987 and purchased my 1st 1210's and still put the coin on the needle til I got use to it. Too funny :)