Always impressed by the professionalism of Australian ATC and Pilots. Correct use of PAN PAN, and ATC confirming if they can accept left or right turns.
Properly trained that's for sure! Remember that Alaska FO when the door blew off "we need to go down!" She even said the wrong centre name in her first call! Sounded way out of her depth!
@@joshilini2 Australian here, so you know I'm not coming at this with some weird hard-on for Alaska or whatever... You know you can compliment one pilot's skills without shitting on another's, right? Also, fishy that the example you chose was one of the few women involved in recent high profile incidents. If you want to see why she handled it well, go watch Mentour Pilot's video on the incident.
@@TheSsalty It's not about gender. I have flown with some brilliant women AND men throughout my career. All I am saying is the Americans need to up their game with ATC because right now, the Swiss Cheese is slowly aligning over there when it comes to visual approaches, runway incursions and poor ATC comms.
@@davidkavanagh189 I can see how it applies more to props, but you've still got a lot of torque generated by running only on the port engine half way out on the wing. I'm surprised that left turns are a better idea than right turns when flying on the port engine, but I can imagine that it would be harder to stabilise after a right turn.
@@theharper1 Adding to that; in cases where the engine exploded, there might be handling considerations different to normal jet failures (I believe it was a B777 that had their engine disconnect and still idling). Therefore, I think it was appropriate to ask.
@@rudiklein They do a number on the first half too: Chippy (carpenter), sparky (electrician)... And not just occupations: brekky (breakfast), roady (one for the road), stubby (beer bottle)...
@@rudikleinnot all of them. Only tradies like sparkies and chippys and truckies and firies and posties, if the trade was short enough, we keep them short like plumbers and builders and coppers and welders and rangers, or we just enter Rando zone like ambos and diggers and offsiders
I had not considered dry ice as a hazardous material until now, but reading up on it, it is definitely something the fire crews needed to be aware of. Every day is a school day.
@@timtjtimDry ice is frozen carbon dioxide. If not ventilated well it displaces the oxygen in enclosed spaces like the cargo hold. If someone comes into the hold to eg. check for fires without SCBA they may suffocate.
Compare this first radio call from the Australian pilot to US pilots. Chalk and cheese. Aus: We’ve got an emergency. It’s an engine failure. We’re flying runway track. Standby. US: “we need to return” followed by a 5 minute q&a session with ATC.
American's lose an engine and it's "MAYDAY MAYDAY!!! GET ME DOWN NOW!!" Aussie's lose an engine and are like "Hmm... Could be a problem...guess we'll go back to look for it..."🤣
Buttttt it's aviate, navigate, communicate 🙄 2 people in the cockpit and neither cba to say something simple like "(callsign) mayday standby"...... good ol' Texas BBQ americans and their sleepy joes!
@Sticksau "Declaring an emergency " might sound cool to Americans but it's totally non standard phraseology. PAN is by definition declaring an emergency as it comes under the emergency section of chapter 6.
@@Sticksau more like, we are declaring an emergency followed by 5 minutes of atc asking if they are declaring an emergency followed by asking for the dumbest information
I love this ATC. "No need to respond if you're busy." So many randomize pilots who are already overloaded with stuff like a plane that is literally on fire.
News reports down here suggest multiple blades shattered and consequently hot shrapnel sprayed out the back of the engine. As hot, those that landed in grass set off the grass fire (s) .
We are coming into summer and the grass is dry. Excellent conditions to start a fire. Depending on where it is, the grass is not necessarily kept short at Syndey Airport. I used to work Security at QANTAS Freight Terminal.
THANK YOU! I saw this on the news and thought "I'd love to hear the comms for this incident. I know how I can maybe make that happen" Great job, as usual and thank you so much!"
Guys and gals. The pilot on the radio did NOT report ‘engine fire’. He reported ‘engine failure’. The speed and pronunciation of English here in Oz makes it sound like he said fire, but alas he didn’t.
Agreed, it's "failure" where the second syllable is barely audible (like "fail-yr"). There's a big difference between the pronunciation of the first syllables of the two words.
@@AnotherDougas theharper wrote - it was the quintessential Aussie syllable/vowel murder; “fail-ye”, where “fail” was relatively loud and “yr” was relatively quiet. As an Aussie, our ear can pick this up as a “normal” way to say it.
Contained engine fire. No risk of damage to the fuselage apparently. Whatever it was sheered off through the exhaust and impacted the ground - sparking a grass fire
There is actually a bit more comm to this that is on another link, it demonstrates how once the aircraft stops, there is now an issue for the Tower to maintain a safe environment for fire to do their job.... Good work from all parties involved :)
For Americans thinking they "didn't declare an emergency" read FAA AIM 6-3-1. This is a textbook example of standard phraseology which shows how well it works and why it's important.
Saw the smoke cloud I was worried a plane had crashed but was also confused why i was brownish white smoke when it would've been black smoke from jet fuel burning. Glad they landed safely.
Here in Australia we have a government funded news network called ABC. One of their journalists was on that plane and I heard an interview with him describing what was happening on it during this incident. From what he said the crew did a fantastic job and the passengers stayed reasonably calm and none of the passengers did anything extreme.
And apparently there was an off duty Qantas pilot on board as a passenger and he did several inspections out of the right hand windows and relayed information back to the pilots. Great teamwork with everyone who could help pitching in to handle the situation.
@johnvender that ABC report was the first one I watched. Was great, nothing extra, no editorialising, no sensationalism. This is what happened, this is what we know. (Which was bugger all) And, we'll likely know in the coming days and months.,
Given their declining maintenance standards and outsourcing which may have contributed to this failure, that reputation may be less deserved than it has been
@@petermiddo POB isn’t changed because rescue fire need to know the number of occupants dead or alive in the event of an accident, which should tally with the passenger manifest. Also they aren’t considered dead until a doctor has certified it. Bodies shipped as cargo aren’t counted however because they are accounted for separately on a cargo manifest.
Just so happened to overhear a Quantas ground engineer discussing this on friday last week over dinner at a hotel in Sweden. Got shown a pic of the shredded fan blades. Bloke said it happened right at VR.
Great videos. I experienced my first go around yesterday evening. United 1092 Miami-Denver it was 100% weather related. Not sure if it's something worth looking at. Thanks.
The image of 34R in the video confused me a bit, because north is to the right. Understand it makes the situation easier to show in 16x9. Landing was on the longer 34L.
@Willoz269 thanks, I just watched another video which included more of the conversation with the firies. The statement was that there was a fuel leak from the right engine (not wing).
@@MeppyMan I doubt a grey could hop high enough to hit an engine. That aside, there are no roos within Sydney Airport. I think we may be missing the humour here.
@@davidhandyman7571 oh I got the humour. I was just doing that thing where you ignore the humour and consider it in reality. You do t have to jump to be pulled into a jet engine, people have been sucked in at the gate. Also the 737 engines are very low to the ground. I wonder how a wombat would fair… 😀
G'day, Not an "explosion" as such... But apparently a catastrophic failure of one or more Turbine Blades >Wheels..., at the hot end of the Engine, leading to metallic debris being ejected out the back of the failed Engine...; and the fragments of the Rotor & Stator Blades were clearly - when they hit the ground, sufficiently hot as to have lit up the dead dry Grass on the Aerodrome. Friday was quite the breakout day for Fires, too - just quietly ; I had an Ember Attack spark a Spot-Fire on my neighbour's place, 800 metres out from the containment line of a 61 Hectares Back-Burn which had gone in on Thursday at Sundown.... Downhill & upwind of my Hut, in Regrowth Forest half of which died 5 years ago...; I was heading off to town when I found the Spotfire... If Sydney is as dry as it is in New England (?), then it wouldn't take much to get a fast Grassfire going at the hottest part of the day...; we had 50 or 60 Km/hr of wind, so if I had not had a 16-litre Firefighting Backpack in the backseat Footwell I'd have been homeless by Sundown (!). Oz is very easy to ignite, these days. Such is life, Have a good one..... Stay safe. ;-p Ciao !
@WarblesOnALot there was rain in Sydney last weekend, but maybe not since. It must have dried out fast. Very dry in Canberra and a local kid was lighting grass fires. 😥
@theharper1 G'day, Thanks... Yeah, there is a bit of a problem in Oz these days regarding Soil Moisture Profiles. After so many repeated prolonged intense extreme Droughts, on the one hand, and with the 1.5° C. higher Global Average Atmospheric Temperature on the other hand - bringing a lot more Hotter-than-average daytime Maximum Temperatures...; in the Gripping-Hand is the fact that Overnight WINTER Minimum Temperatures are currently running between 11° C. & 15°C. higher than they were during the 1980s... In the Waybackwhen nobody mowed their Lawn in Winter, because for a month or three the overnight minimum was below Zero, the Topsoil froze and Plants remained alive, but they did not GROW during Winter. Which was handy, because we get very little Rain in Winter - so the cold Nights stopped the plants from sucking any more than the bare minimum of Water up through their Roots, to stay alive..., so in Spring a bit of a Dry Spell was no real problem - as the Subsoil Moisture kept the Grasses and Shrubs too green and wet to burn. But, one annual Midwinter Party I was leaving at 03:00 in 1986 with an outside air temp. of -15°C..., when I was departing the 2018 event I was leaving at the same time of Night, both under sparkly Starlit Skies in Mid May..., at +13 ° C. Two years earlier it was +11° C. on departure. So, these days, in Winter there are a lot more Lawnmowers doing business than there are Firewood Carter's, and EVERY Spring We go in With Topsoil as Dry as the proverbial Dead Dingo's Donger... And, thus, Unless We get an unusually Wet Spring, It only takes a few Hot, Dry, Windy Dayze... And all of Oz Is Sitting in and on A Bushfire Fuelbomb... Guess who owns a $17,000 Fire-Hose Collection...(!) ? Such is life, Have a good one... Stay safe. ;-p Ciao !
Brilliant job. Reminds me of the mob on that Qantas Skytanic that had the engine decide to go for an un-contained failure that day and how they sorted that out.
POB (persons on board) carries no religious associations (or association with other readings of SOB). Hazmat and fuel remaining are important for the firies. I'm curious how different that information request might be internationally.
ATC did ask for the amount of time they could be in the air for (endurance), but I assume the pilots were too busy to calculate so just gave the fuel amount in weight. Also just after take-off the aircraft is likely to have plenty of fuel onboard, as long it doesn't have a major fuel leak, so for emergency services the amount of fuel that could still possibly be spilled could be more of a concern than flight time.
Kudos to Victor for the quick and accurate translation from Southern Equitorial phrasing and dialect to something we Yanks can grasp and learn from. Well done on all hands. Except maybe the blade manufacturers?
I don't think I can fly anymore after ATC videos lol. All that circling with one engine, when one has already blown up...... I don't like the lack of control lol
All jet aircraft are certified to fly on one engine. Another fun example: EASA required Boeings new B77X with the extendable wings to be able to fly with the parts still up :)
As an Australian, I'm disappointed that the correct language wasn't used. "Yeah, old mate, can ya hear me?", "Me number two's gone number two's on me and the plane's runnin' like a dog". "Wouldn't mind droppin' 'er back off at the servo and squeezin' in a couple of sherberts while they sort this 5h!t out".
I’ve provided footage and stills to creators before and not asked for any attribution. Hopefully this is the case here. There are a lot of photos and videos online of this.
They don’t. They have had a few engine issues lately. But that could just be the nature of random chance. The implication is their maintenance isn’t as good as it once was, which is likely true, but we don’t yet know if this was maintenance related or not.
Having been an airline pilot for 35 years now retired and having had similar issues in my career the thing that stands out time and again is Air Traffic Control trying to micro manage the emergency. The pilot advised with A Pan call that they had an emergency situation and that they were maintaining runway track and climbing to 5000 feet. The response should then be to acknowledge receipt of the information and say maneuver as required. POB and endurance and dangerous goods is already in the system the ATC computer knows exactly who is on board and where they are sitting . Asking for information from the pilots cuts across the train of thought. If the crew need more information to manage the emergency, THEY WILL ASK FOR IT. If ATC need information not already available then absolutely they should ask but only after considering how critical is that I know this now or can this wait and can I ask some other source. This will sound like a rant but remember the old adage of Aviate,navigate,communicate, works both ways.
What I'm always wondering, and this should not be a criticism of the people involved. That plane just has started from the same airport, shouldn't the airport know about dangerous goods, fuel load and how many people are on board? Like couldn't they have a database?
Declaring a PAN is a declaration of an emergency , that the situation is urgent but not imminent danger . Should the situation deteriorate you can upgrade to a MAYDAY.
A PAN is an Emergency even in the US under FAA AIM 6-3-1. They're just using standard phraseology and being professional. If they said "Declaring an emergency" (which is non standard phraseology) they're not stating whether it's a PAN or MAYDAY. Crews and ATC in the US are letting their standards slip a lot when it comes to comms.
Mayday is for urgent, life threatening events. Pan is for urgent, serious, not life threatening. Given it is an engine failure, it's capable of climbing on one engine, and the aircraft can be controlled normally; it's more a PAN call (giving priority over all except MAYDAY traffic). If it was a single engined aircraft, or there was an uncontrolled fire, or controls had been damaged/affected, it would be MAYDAY.
@ Mayday is emergency. Panpan is urgency. As far as I know, in an engine failure checklist, you have to declare Mayday regardless the number of engines. Actually, the controllers treated it like that “…emergency aircraft”. For some reason, some pilots are reticent to declare Mayday and are the controllers declaring it for them.
@@jusancan8021 It’s not absolute and may vary with circumstances. Pan is more common in some countries than others. In Australia it will evoke a helpful response from ATC, but that isn’t universal. It’s particularly useful for situations like diverting because of a seriously ill passenger, where priority is needed but mayday is not appropriate. An engine failure in a light general aviation twin is much more critical than in most jet powered airliners and prompt a mayday call. An engine failure during takeoff is probably not a mayday when it is able to stop in the remaining runway length. Twin jet airliners may be more affected by pressurisation failure than a single engine failure, and so on. Operating procedures will tend to reflect such nuances and might prompt a specific action.
@@jusancan8021 Lufthansa had multiple engine shutdown situations (1 of 4) where they didn't even declare PAN. I'd say this failure did warrant a MAYDAY, but I'm not the PIC and don't know how easy the plane handled after the failure. However, an engine failure at any kind of altitude on a jet twin is usually a PAN. ATC can and will handle it as a MAYDAY if they think it is - e.g. parts causing fire ^^
@@jusancan8021 PAN is an Emergency same as MAYDAY under Part 91 of the Civil Aviation Safety Regulations (CASR). By calling PAN he is, by legal definition, calling it an emergency. It's FAA AIM 6-3-1 for Americans.
Local here. I was waiting in anticipation for this audio. Thank you so much for getting onto it so quickly. Great work as always!!! 👌🙂
Thanks for watching
@Dainus77 you're welcome champ! You just have to email VASAviation and hope he find it interesting enough. I'm glad I did in this instance.
You can search liveatc archives and find it straight away yourself. Match up the utc times etc
Always impressed by the professionalism of Australian ATC and Pilots. Correct use of PAN PAN, and ATC confirming if they can accept left or right turns.
Properly trained that's for sure! Remember that Alaska FO when the door blew off "we need to go down!" She even said the wrong centre name in her first call! Sounded way out of her depth!
@@joshilini2 Australian here, so you know I'm not coming at this with some weird hard-on for Alaska or whatever...
You know you can compliment one pilot's skills without shitting on another's, right? Also, fishy that the example you chose was one of the few women involved in recent high profile incidents. If you want to see why she handled it well, go watch Mentour Pilot's video on the incident.
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@@TheSsalty It's not about gender. I have flown with some brilliant women AND men throughout my career. All I am saying is the Americans need to up their game with ATC because right now, the Swiss Cheese is slowly aligning over there when it comes to visual approaches, runway incursions and poor ATC comms.
Good education, training, regulations, testing, re-testing, etc. You know... all the things they're going to lose in the US over the next 4 years.
I like that departures asked if they could accept left and right turns before vectoring. Good job by all.
Presumably, right turns would be easier. Love that all the radio comms was so professional.
@@theharper1It would be easier alright, also a lot more difficult to level back off thats why you avoid tuning into a dead engine.
@@theharper1 It's more of a propeller thing. Look up 'critical engine'.
@@davidkavanagh189 I can see how it applies more to props, but you've still got a lot of torque generated by running only on the port engine half way out on the wing. I'm surprised that left turns are a better idea than right turns when flying on the port engine, but I can imagine that it would be harder to stabilise after a right turn.
@@theharper1 Adding to that; in cases where the engine exploded, there might be handling considerations different to normal jet failures (I believe it was a B777 that had their engine disconnect and still idling). Therefore, I think it was appropriate to ask.
Always impressed by Australian ATC. Calm and professional. No rushed and clipped coms…very few misunderstandings…very high quality direction.
3:00 "and the firies can come out.." aussie for firefighters..
Every occupation seems to end on "ies". 😂
@@rudiklein They do a number on the first half too: Chippy (carpenter), sparky (electrician)... And not just occupations: brekky (breakfast), roady (one for the road), stubby (beer bottle)...
@paulnieuwkamp8067 It’s pure poetry.
@@rudikleinnot all of them. Only tradies like sparkies and chippys and truckies and firies and posties, if the trade was short enough, we keep them short like plumbers and builders and coppers and welders and rangers, or we just enter Rando zone like ambos and diggers and offsiders
Some of the best Pilots and ATC. Outstanding work by all.
I had not considered dry ice as a hazardous material until now, but reading up on it, it is definitely something the fire crews needed to be aware of. Every day is a school day.
What can happen? Does it explode with water on it, or another issue?
@timtjtim It's so cold it'll burn you, and as it "melts" it turns into carbon dioxide, so it can suffocate you.
@@timtjtimDry ice is frozen carbon dioxide. If not ventilated well it displaces the oxygen in enclosed spaces like the cargo hold. If someone comes into the hold to eg. check for fires without SCBA they may suffocate.
One of the worst hazmat actually
Class 9 DG.
LOLOL "We suggest the engine is gone." I like how English understatement has become so common pretty much all over the world.
that's an understatement
It's actually good wordings to avoid confirmation bias cause it's only observed but cannot be confirmed on the controller's side.
It was "gone" as in "not working". I don't think that the tower meant more than that.
That's Aussie for "she's buggered mate, gonna need a newie!"...Can also be used as on females to say she's crazy 😂
And controller said there were bits all over the runway. Unclear if he meant fire or engine parts.
Compare this first radio call from the Australian pilot to US pilots.
Chalk and cheese.
Aus: We’ve got an emergency. It’s an engine failure. We’re flying runway track. Standby.
US: “we need to return” followed by a 5 minute q&a session with ATC.
American's lose an engine and it's "MAYDAY MAYDAY!!! GET ME DOWN NOW!!"
Aussie's lose an engine and are like "Hmm... Could be a problem...guess we'll go back to look for it..."🤣
Buttttt it's aviate, navigate, communicate 🙄 2 people in the cockpit and neither cba to say something simple like "(callsign) mayday standby"...... good ol' Texas BBQ americans and their sleepy joes!
@Sticksau "Declaring an emergency " might sound cool to Americans but it's totally non standard phraseology. PAN is by definition declaring an emergency as it comes under the emergency section of chapter 6.
@@Sticksau more like, we are declaring an emergency followed by 5 minutes of atc asking if they are declaring an emergency followed by asking for the dumbest information
As always, Sydney tower always very clear, direct and well spoken.
@@Godzilla32 not just Sydney, but all Aussie pilots & ATC.
So professional, no wasted chatter, all callouts crisp and precise. US ATC and aircrew please copy.
I love this ATC. "No need to respond if you're busy." So many randomize pilots who are already overloaded with stuff like a plane that is literally on fire.
News reports down here suggest multiple blades shattered and consequently hot shrapnel sprayed out the back of the engine. As hot, those that landed in grass set off the grass fire (s) .
that makes sense
We are coming into summer and the grass is dry. Excellent conditions to start a fire. Depending on where it is, the grass is not necessarily kept short at Syndey Airport. I used to work Security at QANTAS Freight Terminal.
If the engine is out it'll be spraying fuel also
I've seen the video of it during inspection. Pretty much on the money
THANK YOU! I saw this on the news and thought "I'd love to hear the comms for this incident. I know how I can maybe make that happen" Great job, as usual and thank you so much!"
Nice job…Fly the Jet, Handle the Emergency, Get Back on the Ground….A+
@@rodcoulter997 aviate, navigate, communicate. Juan Brown over at Blanco Lirio almost has a tick now....
That was a real "hot" departure! - Thank you very much for picking it up!🙂👍
Might have thought it was a Delorian!
@@jonathanbott87 ???🤔
Guys and gals. The pilot on the radio did NOT report ‘engine fire’. He reported ‘engine failure’. The speed and pronunciation of English here in Oz makes it sound like he said fire, but alas he didn’t.
Agreed, it's "failure" where the second syllable is barely audible (like "fail-yr"). There's a big difference between the pronunciation of the first syllables of the two words.
Wow, that pronunciation!
As a Aussie I didn’t need to read the captions but heard engine failure, went back and read the captions.. 👌
Actually, I think the pilot says "engine fail", rather than "engine fire" or "engine failure"
@@AnotherDougas theharper wrote - it was the quintessential Aussie syllable/vowel murder; “fail-ye”, where “fail” was relatively loud and “yr” was relatively quiet.
As an Aussie, our ear can pick this up as a “normal” way to say it.
Super professional, efficient ATC and a proper PAN PAN PAN from the crew too! 👌 Dare I say some US ATC and Crews could learn a thing or too!
Dare you say? Can anyone stop you?
Anti-US bullshit as expected
We've got a barbie next to the runway mate.
😂
The firies were dealing with smoking grass. 😅
Contained engine fire. No risk of damage to the fuselage apparently. Whatever it was sheered off through the exhaust and impacted the ground - sparking a grass fire
Contained.. To the entire runway. :p
@ I guess the definition only extends to the aircraft… not the world around it 😂
Uncontained...the aircraft was leaking fuel on landing and they found bits of the blades on the side of the runway
@ according to Qantas it was a contained incident since the fuselage wasn’t impacted
@@TrekzoneMedia yeah and according to Qantas all the delays on the day were due to ATC restrictions....believe the media spin
There is actually a bit more comm to this that is on another link, it demonstrates how once the aircraft stops, there is now an issue for the Tower to maintain a safe environment for fire to do their job.... Good work from all parties involved :)
For Americans thinking they "didn't declare an emergency" read FAA AIM 6-3-1. This is a textbook example of standard phraseology which shows how well it works and why it's important.
Flight crew and controllers are now providing services as ice machines. They were so cool, calm and collected.
@0:28 "It looks like there has been an explosion and there are bits all over the runway."
Saw the smoke cloud I was worried a plane had crashed but was also confused why i was brownish white smoke when it would've been black smoke from jet fuel burning. Glad they landed safely.
Here in Australia we have a government funded news network called ABC. One of their journalists was on that plane and I heard an interview with him describing what was happening on it during this incident. From what he said the crew did a fantastic job and the passengers stayed reasonably calm and none of the passengers did anything extreme.
Here in the US we also have a ABC network masquerading as news but operating as a wing of the liberal Democrat Party.
And apparently there was an off duty Qantas pilot on board as a passenger and he did several inspections out of the right hand windows and relayed information back to the pilots. Great teamwork with everyone who could help pitching in to handle the situation.
I remember that movie Flying High
Channel 9 weather crew were also on the plane.
@johnvender that ABC report was the first one I watched. Was great, nothing extra, no editorialising, no sensationalism. This is what happened, this is what we know. (Which was bugger all) And, we'll likely know in the coming days and months.,
The engine has left the chat and it's in a no smoking zone man it's in trouble 😂😂😮
There's a reason Qantas has its reputation for safety. Great hearing these clear decisive comms from Sydney ATC too
Given their declining maintenance standards and outsourcing which may have contributed to this failure, that reputation may be less deserved than it has been
A+ for the aussies using the sterile and professional "persons on board" instead of the morbid and creepy "souls on board"
Sometimes deceased persons are transferred by air. So there is a need to make a distinction.
@@jamesphillips2285The context makes it clear what kind of persons is being referred to. The living kind.
Are service dogs considered a soul?
@SeligTiles I also wonder, when air crew or a passenger has died, why they still count them....
@@petermiddo
POB isn’t changed because rescue fire need to know the number of occupants dead or alive in the event of an accident, which should tally with the passenger manifest. Also they aren’t considered dead until a doctor has certified it.
Bodies shipped as cargo aren’t counted however because they are accounted for separately on a cargo manifest.
Just so happened to overhear a Quantas ground engineer discussing this on friday last week over dinner at a hotel in Sweden. Got shown a pic of the shredded fan blades. Bloke said it happened right at VR.
Imagine being on one of the planes inline waiting to take off and see this out your window.
"Well, we're not going anywhere anytime soon."
Cockpit door opens.. "Better boil the jug Tracy...and get the Arnotts out" 😂
@@rodneywallace2984 Iced VoVos
So chill.
"There are bits all over the runway." 😎
I live in Botany and just thought there was some back burning issues in the national park, but it was thicker than normal.
In a cruel twist of fate, this was the first Qantas flight that was running on time for the day.
That might not be true, but I would believe it LOL
The right engine just shit itself, put the coffee on we are coming back!
Yikes! It looks super dry there too.
Yes, it's always super dry in Australia, and Sydney in particular, this time of year. I wasn't surprised by the grass fire.
Do you have the audio from Total Cargo that got fire on flight, landed in Guarulhos Brazil?
Just saw that. Crazy lucky.
Great videos. I experienced my first go around yesterday evening. United 1092 Miami-Denver it was 100% weather related. Not sure if it's something worth looking at. Thanks.
At KPSM the other day there was a Navy C-40 that lost an engine on take off and had to return to the field.
Did the plane's engine choke after seeing a "puddy tatt"?
(Those familiar with the PSM approaches and waypoints will get the joke.)
I love how they still refer to that lump of scrap metal as an engine after it explosively shit itself
Worldwide; Atc and pilot cooperation // U.S: ATC and pilot ego competition
The image of 34R in the video confused me a bit, because north is to the right. Understand it makes the situation easier to show in 16x9. Landing was on the longer 34L.
Gj guys.
Qantas said it was not an explosion, just a bang. Look into the definition of what an explosion is.
More complete audio after landing on ATC Spotlight channel, but their visualization is a bit…odd… 😜
Glad the wing was not damaged as well the fuselage. Very dangerous to have engines explode.
That's why it's a "contained failure" not an explosion. 🤔
Wing was damaged. Aircraft was leaking fuel when it landed
@@Willoz269 where was that reported?
@@theharper1 the fire commander reported that to the tower after the aircraft had stopped
@Willoz269 thanks, I just watched another video which included more of the conversation with the firies. The statement was that there was a fuel leak from the right engine (not wing).
Roo strike, aye? No worries, she'll be right!
The roos can be big, but not that big. You don't get the really big ones that close to the east coast.
@@davidhandyman7571even a grey would be plenty big enough to destroy an engine. Hit a red and you might lose the wing 😂
@@MeppyMan I doubt a grey could hop high enough to hit an engine. That aside, there are no roos within Sydney Airport. I think we may be missing the humour here.
Not a problem. QANTAS 737's come equipped with ARB roo bars for just this reason.
@@davidhandyman7571 oh I got the humour. I was just doing that thing where you ignore the humour and consider it in reality.
You do t have to jump to be pulled into a jet engine, people have been sucked in at the gate. Also the 737 engines are very low to the ground.
I wonder how a wombat would fair… 😀
Sheesh, explosion is rare.
G'day,
Not an "explosion" as such...
But apparently a catastrophic failure of one or more Turbine Blades >Wheels..., at the hot end of the Engine, leading to metallic debris being ejected out the back of the failed Engine...; and the fragments of the Rotor & Stator Blades were clearly - when they hit the ground, sufficiently hot as to have lit up the dead dry Grass on the Aerodrome.
Friday was quite the breakout day for Fires, too - just quietly ; I had an Ember Attack spark a Spot-Fire on my neighbour's place, 800 metres out from the containment line of a 61 Hectares Back-Burn which had gone in on Thursday at Sundown.... Downhill & upwind of my Hut, in Regrowth Forest half of which died 5 years ago...; I was heading off to town when I found the Spotfire...
If Sydney is as dry as it is in New England (?), then it wouldn't take much to get a fast Grassfire going at the hottest part of the day...; we had 50 or 60 Km/hr of wind, so if I had not had a 16-litre Firefighting Backpack in the backseat Footwell I'd have been homeless by Sundown (!).
Oz is very easy to ignite, these days.
Such is life,
Have a good one.....
Stay safe.
;-p
Ciao !
@WarblesOnALot there was rain in Sydney last weekend, but maybe not since. It must have dried out fast. Very dry in Canberra and a local kid was lighting grass fires. 😥
@theharper1
G'day,
Thanks...
Yeah, there is a bit of a problem in Oz these days regarding Soil Moisture Profiles.
After so many repeated prolonged intense extreme Droughts, on the one hand, and with the 1.5° C. higher Global Average Atmospheric Temperature on the other hand - bringing a lot more Hotter-than-average daytime Maximum Temperatures...; in the Gripping-Hand is the fact that Overnight WINTER Minimum Temperatures are currently running between 11° C. & 15°C. higher than they were during the 1980s...
In the Waybackwhen nobody mowed their Lawn in Winter, because for a month or three the overnight minimum was below Zero, the Topsoil froze and Plants remained alive, but they did not GROW during Winter.
Which was handy, because we get very little Rain in Winter - so the cold Nights stopped the plants from sucking any more than the bare minimum of Water up through their Roots, to stay alive..., so in Spring a bit of a Dry Spell was no real problem - as the Subsoil Moisture kept the Grasses and Shrubs too green and wet to burn.
But, one annual Midwinter Party I was leaving at 03:00 in 1986 with an outside air temp. of -15°C..., when I was departing the 2018 event I was leaving at the same time of Night, both under sparkly Starlit Skies in Mid May..., at +13 ° C.
Two years earlier it was +11° C. on departure.
So, these days, in Winter there are a lot more Lawnmowers doing business than there are Firewood Carter's, and EVERY Spring
We go in
With Topsoil as
Dry as the proverbial
Dead Dingo's
Donger...
And, thus,
Unless
We get an unusually
Wet Spring,
It only takes a few
Hot, Dry, Windy
Dayze...
And all of Oz
Is
Sitting in and on
A Bushfire Fuelbomb...
Guess who owns a $17,000
Fire-Hose Collection...(!) ?
Such is life,
Have a good one...
Stay safe.
;-p
Ciao !
Brilliant job. Reminds me of the mob on that Qantas Skytanic that had the engine decide to go for an un-contained failure that day and how they sorted that out.
Lot of things to dislike about Qantas these days, but the crew are always very professional and proficient.
Oh please… the Skytanic? The 380 is an awesome aircraft.
POB, dangerous cargo, endurance
Vs
Souls on board, hazmat, fuel remaining
Interesting, is it different in every country?
POB (persons on board) carries no religious associations (or association with other readings of SOB). Hazmat and fuel remaining are important for the firies. I'm curious how different that information request might be internationally.
“Souls” is such a funny way to refer to people. “Hmm well I know that my first officer is an atheist, and we have some satanists on board…” 😂
@@MeppyMan agreed! People exist. Souls may not.
@@MeppyMan Originally due to planes sometimes transporting dead bodies.
@@MeppyMan Throw back to nautical days or shipping. Nothing sinister, unlike your jokes.
Do they no longer ask for fuel measured by time anymore?
ATC did ask for the amount of time they could be in the air for (endurance), but I assume the pilots were too busy to calculate so just gave the fuel amount in weight. Also just after take-off the aircraft is likely to have plenty of fuel onboard, as long it doesn't have a major fuel leak, so for emergency services the amount of fuel that could still possibly be spilled could be more of a concern than flight time.
Don't you just hate when your engine explodes?
Kudos to Victor for the quick and accurate translation from Southern Equitorial phrasing and dialect to something we Yanks can grasp and learn from. Well done on all hands. Except maybe the blade manufacturers?
Fact is the FAA AIM 6-3-1 states that this is how phraseology should be used. It's just not taught properly or enforced in America.
@ it was a joke
Flamed another 737.......at least the passengers were ok
So I'm guessing they were past V1 and couldn't reject at the point the engine exploded? Wow. Yet another engine failure for A 737.
7.5 tons of fuel seems light for a B737. Must have been a local flight.
@@jamesphillips2285 about an hour of air time, 20-30 minutes taxiing in Sydney, not as far in Brisbane, depending on which runway.
How do I know this wasn't an American plane just by the thumbnail? Americans don't call PANPAN.
They don't but they should, legally speaking. Standard phraseology just isn't taught properly in the US anymore.
The engine just gave up in disgust.
I don't think I can fly anymore after ATC videos lol. All that circling with one engine, when one has already blown up...... I don't like the lack of control lol
All jet aircraft are certified to fly on one engine.
Another fun example: EASA required Boeings new B77X with the extendable wings to be able to fly with the parts still up :)
That exact aircraft is certified to fly for 3 hours on 1 engine
The first of many let's hope not these planes look new but there decades old just got fancy new wraps on them
As an Australian, I'm disappointed that the correct language wasn't used. "Yeah, old mate, can ya hear me?", "Me number two's gone number two's on me and the plane's runnin' like a dog". "Wouldn't mind droppin' 'er back off at the servo and squeezin' in a couple of sherberts while they sort this 5h!t out".
@@davidbrayshaw3529 you glossed over the best one 'and I reckon I've number two-ed me shorts'
"it's kakked its daks mate"
An attribution for the still footage used, somebody had to get it, it wasn't free.
I’ve provided footage and stills to creators before and not asked for any attribution. Hopefully this is the case here. There are a lot of photos and videos online of this.
why does it seem like qantas has quite a lot of engine disintegration events
What is "quite a lot" and how many more precisely is, quite alot?
They don’t. They have had a few engine issues lately. But that could just be the nature of random chance.
The implication is their maintenance isn’t as good as it once was, which is likely true, but we don’t yet know if this was maintenance related or not.
Explosion is probably too strong a word, eh?
Sounds terrible
Explosions suck...really suck.
Wouldn't they blow?
You're thinking of implosions.
if its boeing, not even the engine is going
Engines have nothing to do with the manufacturer of the aircraft.
Did you make that up all on your own? Mumma must be proud lol.
Having been an airline pilot for 35 years now retired and having had similar issues in my career the thing that stands out time and again is Air Traffic Control trying to micro manage the emergency. The pilot advised with A Pan call that they had an emergency situation and that they were maintaining runway track and climbing to 5000 feet. The response should then be to acknowledge receipt of the information and say maneuver as required. POB and endurance and dangerous goods is already in the system the ATC computer knows exactly who is on board and where they are sitting . Asking for information from the pilots cuts across the train of thought. If the crew need more information to manage the emergency, THEY WILL ASK FOR IT. If ATC need information not already available then absolutely they should ask but only after considering how critical is that I know this now or can this wait and can I ask some other source. This will sound like a rant but remember the old adage of Aviate,navigate,communicate, works both ways.
What I'm always wondering, and this should not be a criticism of the people involved.
That plane just has started from the same airport, shouldn't the airport know about dangerous goods, fuel load and how many people are on board? Like couldn't they have a database?
Boeing 😂😂
CFM
Boeing don't make engines.
@@BornAgainCynic0086the laughable door wasn’t made by boeing as well yet they get a lot of scrutiny for that too.
@@320FL but fitted by them, onlke compressor baldes in an engine.
One might say that an engine explosion and fire warrants the declaration of an emergency
Declaring a PAN is a declaration of an emergency , that the situation is urgent but not imminent danger . Should the situation deteriorate you can upgrade to a MAYDAY.
A PAN is an Emergency even in the US under FAA AIM 6-3-1. They're just using standard phraseology and being professional. If they said "Declaring an emergency" (which is non standard phraseology) they're not stating whether it's a PAN or MAYDAY. Crews and ATC in the US are letting their standards slip a lot when it comes to comms.
Interesting that in Qantas losing half your thrust is a Pan call. I'd say it's a Mayday in the vast majority of airlines.
Aussie pilots aren't worried about losing one engine.... just slows them down...
But it they lost the other they'd be up there all bloody night!
Nope, pretty industry standard to call PAN.
@@goodshipkaraboudjan Incorrect I'm afraid.
@timeslidez wrong. Read CASR 91 MOS for Australia or AIM 6-3-1 for FAA regs. Company SOPs are dictated by the conditions of the AOC.
@@goodshipkaraboudjan Thanks but I don't need to read anything, I have the real world experience already.
Of course it's a 737 😂
One of most common and reliable planes in the world, so, yeah.
Fail 🙄
Engine failure and Pan Pan? Isnt that clearly a Mayday?
Mayday is for urgent, life threatening events. Pan is for urgent, serious, not life threatening.
Given it is an engine failure, it's capable of climbing on one engine, and the aircraft can be controlled normally; it's more a PAN call (giving priority over all except MAYDAY traffic).
If it was a single engined aircraft, or there was an uncontrolled fire, or controls had been damaged/affected, it would be MAYDAY.
@ Mayday is emergency. Panpan is urgency. As far as I know, in an engine failure checklist, you have to declare Mayday regardless the number of engines. Actually, the controllers treated it like that “…emergency aircraft”. For some reason, some pilots are reticent to declare Mayday and are the controllers declaring it for them.
@@jusancan8021 It’s not absolute and may vary with circumstances. Pan is more common in some countries than others. In Australia it will evoke a helpful response from ATC, but that isn’t universal. It’s particularly useful for situations like diverting because of a seriously ill passenger, where priority is needed but mayday is not appropriate. An engine failure in a light general aviation twin is much more critical than in most jet powered airliners and prompt a mayday call. An engine failure during takeoff is probably not a mayday when it is able to stop in the remaining runway length. Twin jet airliners may be more affected by pressurisation failure than a single engine failure, and so on. Operating procedures will tend to reflect such nuances and might prompt a specific action.
@@jusancan8021 Lufthansa had multiple engine shutdown situations (1 of 4) where they didn't even declare PAN. I'd say this failure did warrant a MAYDAY, but I'm not the PIC and don't know how easy the plane handled after the failure. However, an engine failure at any kind of altitude on a jet twin is usually a PAN.
ATC can and will handle it as a MAYDAY if they think it is - e.g. parts causing fire ^^
@@jusancan8021 PAN is an Emergency same as MAYDAY under Part 91 of the Civil Aviation Safety Regulations (CASR). By calling PAN he is, by legal definition, calling it an emergency. It's FAA AIM 6-3-1 for Americans.