some of these comments are pissing me of. i can tell a lot of u just started watching basketball 3-4 years ago cuz no one that has seen dwade in his prime would ever say such stupid things by putting harden over him. I would take Dwade in his prime anyday over James harden. if u see how wade dominated in the playoffs when it really counted before his knee started giving up on him u would understand why he is top 3 after Jordan and kobe. He was literally a guard that was so effective in the paint without even a proper 3 point shot but still won the scoring title in 08 at 6'4! do u realize he would have won mvp that season if the heat roster wasnt so trash they just decided to give it to lebroin that season. And dont get me started on the playoffs, for all of u that dont understand what it means to be a winner go check his stat line in the playoffs especially the year lebron chocked in his first season in Miami. Wade literally was dropping stupid numbers in the finals again just like in 06 when he showcased THE GREATEST FINALS PERFORMANCE SINCE MJ, yes that is a fact.
Malik Geresu agreed but saying he deserved there mvp over lebron is pretty silly, Miami wasn’t near as bad as Cleveland... but back to the real topic here d wade was absolutely incredible before the knee issues, his performance in 06 wasn’t the best since mj it rivals mj at any time during his finals dominance
Daniel Loomis offensively I'd put James slightly over Wade cause James is a much better outside shooter and overall shooter than Wade. But Wade is def better all around player than James no question
What I like about Harden is that he makes it look so easy on the court. It’s almost like he has a lackadaisical element to his game. Hard to explain, it’s like he’s in a pickup game or something.
It is because of his body language when he is playing. He catches the person off guard because initially he is quiet and then BOOM he explodes with speed and plus he is a lefty so it is hard to guard. How he switches from slow then becomes so explosive is what catches so many people off guard
James Harden is a great offensive player, but if he's off, as he's been in the playoffs, he has a really hard time finding other ways to impact the game. Kevin Durant is much deadlier because he can beat you so many ways offensively, as well as defensively.
Wade, Kobe, Jordan, Lebron etc. all made their names in the playoffs, and by playing both ends of the court. Harden is very good, but if he ever wants to be in that conversation, he needs to play better defense and actually show up when your team needs you, not in some meaningless regular season game.
I love the relaxed atmosphere/nature of this show. Genuinely enjoy watching no matter the topics, the relationship between Skip, Shannon and Joy feels genuine and authentic unlike Stephen A and Max on the other show which feels toxic at times. Anyone else think this?
James Harden against playoff teams (if the playoffs started right now) shoots a lowly 42% from the field. But to Harden's credit I disagree with what Broussard said about Dantoni being the coach. Harden was an MVP candidate in 2015 before Dantoni arrived.
We're in a league where teams need at least 2 or more all-stars to compete for a championship. Last year Houston was projected as an 8th seed in the West, and they ended up with the 3rd best record in the NBA. They lost to a Spurs team that was in a higher seed, had 2 all-stars, and the best coach of all time. Look what at Harden's rockets are doing right now with CP3's help.
Mr. Clutch_6 LaMarcus wasnt an all-star last year, he was a shadow of what he is this year. Second, Kawhi didnt play in game 6 last year cause of injury, same with Tony Parker their starting PG at the time. You point isnt valid, everything was set up for the Rockets to win gane 6 at home, but the epic 2-10 for 10 pts 6 TO and 6 fouls meltdown of their superstar... Again, made me rofl.
MINK he would cook Jordan did you see the evolution of double step back 3s lol. Harden can jack up 3s and shoot 40%. Harden can shoot more 3s than the entire team in 90s in 1 season. The only weak part of Harden game is he doesnt play any defense. But offensively he will shock those 90s boys just like how MJ shock them with his athleticism.
4:50 such an important discussion. Always gets neglected when ppl compare stats between players nowadays and those in past eras. 20 ppg is easier to maintain now than it was 30 years ago. Most your points were from 2, and you had a harder time making those due to the physicality and bigger players clogging the lane. This also branches off into rebounds and assists. When your teammates can score easier, that makes for more assists. And teams are stacking spot up shooters which crank out the assists. When less ppl are clogging the lane, less rebound specialists, that’s when these PGs get these high rebounds.
And just think if OKC would've kept him like with harden and KD and RWB would've put up 125 points at night but Houston is his home and he's talking advantage of it... MVB!!
What makes Harden hard to guard is his flopping. Dude throws his head back and flails his arms when a defender gets near him. Half of Harden's points basically come from the free throw line, and many others because defenders have to stay 10 feet away from him so Harden doesn't reach out and touch their arm while shooting. Pathetic. Hopefully the NBA will create a rule penalizing him for faking fouls every game.
Jhatch65 harden scores 8 of his 32 points a night at the line on average thats not half. Also MJ scored 7 points a game from the line oh wow MJ is pathetic good logic dude do your homeowork
Last night Harden shot 4 - 20 from the field, and 0-8 from three. He scored 21 points total (8 points from the field), but shot 18 free throws - ONLY 1 LESS THAN THE ENTIRE Detroit Pistons team. 13 of his points came from the charity stripe, WHICH IS MORE THAN HALF. Jordan never sought to get fouled like Harden clearly does. Seems like my homework is more accurate than you're willing to give credit to.
thats one game im talking season averages which makes way more sense. Thats like me saying one game MJ shot 1-15 from the field therefore he is inefficient. You have to look at per game averages lol
First of all, Harden shoots over 10 free throws a game, which is ridiculous. And when I said half of his points basically come from the free throw line, you do realize that I was not being literal, correct? My point was that he is hard to guard because the dude tries to get fouled almost every time he has the ball.
Harden is now better than Kobe and MJ???? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
90s - Stockton-Jordan-Pippen-Malone-Olajuwon vs 2010s Curry-Harden-James-Durant-Davis just about shows you how different the game is... from hard defence, contested two pointers and post domination to three pointers, ball movement, athleticism, team defence.
We all know that Kobe is a different breed when it comes to offensive talent. The dude would make shots that some players would dream just to be able to get off. Not to mention his legendary “feetwork” and post game. He could attack you from anywhere and anyway he wants to, and better than Harden could.
Im taking wade all day. If lebron bumass would have put atleast 5 more points each game in 2011 wade woulda had 2 finals mvp and 4 rings. Harden aint close but hes really good. Wade also plays d
Kobe Bryant: • Average 35.4 ppg • Highest PPG of the 2000's (28.2) • 81 points • 62 points in 3 quarters • 55 points in a half • First player to score 600 points in 3 consecutive playoffs • 40-point streak • 4 consecutive 50-point games • 4 consecutive 40-point games at age 33 • 27.3 ppg at age 34, 17th season • Average 40 ppg for two months • 28.3 ppg (2010 Finals) • 32.4 ppg (2009 Finals)
There y'all have it. Don't compare generations. No more LeBron and Jordan talk. Two different leagues. No big men nowadays, no hand checking, no defense really. Let it rest
The player who is the most physically dominating player in the league would struggle in a more physical league? You must be high, Curry, Kyrie, Kemba, Westbrook and even Durant would have problems in the 90's, not a 6'8 250 pound freight train
The3pleThreat Westbrook would probably destroy that league. His mental game is on another level. LeBron is mentally weak, he'd crumble after he gets knocked down and begs for a call when there isn't one. Once he figures he wouldn't get the calls he gets now, he becomes a jump shooter, and a poor one at that.
This is laughable. Those guys had twice as many skills. Harden relies on foul calls and feasts on today's rules. If Jordan and Kobe played today, they'd destroy the NBA with the range of skills they have. D'antoni said J. Lin was one of the great players.
maurice horton - it's ridiculous. It's not just Harden. All perimeter players today get ridiculous calls because of today's rules and foul interpretations. Guys like Harden and Lebron however get much more with their superstar status. It would be nice to see thee guys have to play through contact - so many plays at the basket today aren't legit plays and they just throw the ball up with no chance of converting because they know a foul call is coming. If MJ or any player from the past had this type of leeway, their numbers would be even more outrageous than they were. What's even more ridiculous is how we live in a world where people, including NBA coaches feel justified in making bombastic statements and gross generalizations without evidence as nobody is ever held accountable - people need to call them out occasionally.
Boogie Loo LeBron should get more calls than he does. Driving to the hole the most in his career & averaging the least amount of attempts in his career. I think Durant gets more calls than LBJ.
I agree that Mike D'Antoni is a great offensive coach. When he coached the Lakers the first time, Kobe at 35 years old was averaging 27, 5, and 6. Imagine if he coached Kobe when he was like 26-29. Dude would average 40. Kobe at 35 was special, it just sucks he was kept in the Warriors game for too long when he effed up his knee twice. Mamba mentality lead to his downfall but the heart he showed that game was nothing seen before.
hardens my dude but he hasnt brought his team to the finals, until then hes not there just yet. mj, kobe, wade, bron, Curry, KD are all before harden imo...BUT if those shots fall, lol it'll be interesting
I personally think Harden is so hard to guard because of his complete offensive skillset AND the constant fear of fouling him. I don’t know about others but I think that’s pretty sad for one of an elite player’s most vital traits to getting past you is the fact that he is always looking for a way to fake contact and bump INTO YOU so he can go to get some nice free points. Many players pump fake and try to juke opponents into a foul but Harden’s style is so much less outplay and much more scummy and excessive.
While D’Antoni was holding his head down in shame when Harden only put up 10 pts in an elimination playoff game....NO WAY JORADN OR KOBE WOULD ALLOW THAT IN THEIR PRIME
James Harden is not getting by people because of his quickness, he gets by people because he is allowed to hold/push off with his right arm and hand both offensively and defensively.
The best offensive player is clearly. Stephen Curry 🍛 This whole segment was a missed opportunity. Yes all the greats take a back seat to Stephen Curry. Go ahead come at this!
You could make a case for harden. Harden gets to the line, shoots the 3, has an amazing handle, great footwork, and is an amazing passer. He does a lot of things amazing and has a combination of skills we haven’t seen. I think that’s what Coach was saying
Skip tries to act as if Kobe didn’t have his fair share of meltdowns throughout his career. he actually quit on his team in game 7 vs Phoenix en route to blowing a 3-1 lead. Kobe is a great player, top 10 all time, but Skip trying to say that Kobe would devour any player besides Jordan due to his mental fortitude is simply incorrect.
100 OVR Batman Bron first off that lakers team shouldn’t have been up 3-1 in the first place look back at that roster lmao quite possibly the worst supporting cast of all time and second he got his point across because everyone knows the suns would have been eliminated if Kobe took the game serious
Lil Dagga doesn't matter if they shouldn't have been up. If your up 3-1 you HAVE to close that deal. Lebron melting down in the finals is one thing. But if lebron or MJ up 3-1 in a series that's series is over.
Kobe has definitely had bad moments, you remember he shot 8-25 in that game 7 versus Boston, ultimately people don't discredit him because they like him... Harden is hated
James Harden is this the best at manipulating the referees thats why he looks so great have you watch James Harden's getting close to in the playoffs when he don't get the BS calls he don't have great games
Harden can easily have as many points as mj n kobe if he had a team that was solely designed around him like kobe and mj did. Harden imo noone is as versatile as Harden is offensively.
Harden relies on how soft the game is to be a great as he is real talk. Dude is really good but unlike him put kobe and lebron in the 80s/90s they would still be the beasts they are. Harden not so much
Is James Harden starting to establish himself as an all-time great?
Skip and Shannon: UNDISPUTED Yes, And put up numbers like this.. You damn right he can.
Top 50 for sure, all time great? Come on now
some of these comments are pissing me of. i can tell a lot of u just started watching basketball 3-4 years ago cuz no one that has seen dwade in his prime would ever say such stupid things by putting harden over him. I would take Dwade in his prime anyday over James harden. if u see how wade dominated in the playoffs when it really counted before his knee started giving up on him u would understand why he is top 3 after Jordan and kobe. He was literally a guard that was so effective in the paint without even a proper 3 point shot but still won the scoring title in 08 at 6'4! do u realize he would have won mvp that season if the heat roster wasnt so trash they just decided to give it to lebroin that season. And dont get me started on the playoffs, for all of u that dont understand what it means to be a winner go check his stat line in the playoffs especially the year lebron chocked in his first season in Miami. Wade literally was dropping stupid numbers in the finals again just like in 06 when he showcased THE GREATEST FINALS PERFORMANCE SINCE MJ, yes that is a fact.
Malik Geresu agreed but saying he deserved there mvp over lebron is pretty silly, Miami wasn’t near as bad as Cleveland... but back to the real topic here d wade was absolutely incredible before the knee issues, his performance in 06 wasn’t the best since mj it rivals mj at any time during his finals dominance
can you guys start showing the viewers at home the clips as well. kind of akward looking at skips neck
Look at Shannon defending Jordan and kobe against anyone not named LeBron lol
shady shady hahahahaha
Lmaooo facts
shady shady cause those guys on the same level
😂😂😂
That's because LeBron and MJ are so far ahead of almost anyone else. The only other in the convo are Kareem, and arguably Kobe, Wilt. Magic.
Remember when D'Antoni said Gallinari was the greatest shooter he's ever seen? 😂 😂
Silenced PP7 LMAO
Silenced PP7 Damn, you got a good memory 😂
Silenced PP7 😂😂
Yea... he's always been delusional.
Underrated comment 😂😂😂😂😂
Dwayne Wade is slept on. He is the 3rd best SG EVER
ekb0106 James Harden is already better.
jenise jackson no he is not kid lol, wade a better defender and just as good if not better offense with 3 rings
Daniel Loomis offensively I'd put James slightly over Wade cause James is a much better outside shooter and overall shooter than Wade. But Wade is def better all around player than James no question
No ones questioning that. If harden wins a few chips he could easily go down#4.
C Taylor
there’s
jerry west
Clyde drexler
George Gervin
And y’all are crazy forgetting about ALLEN IVERSON
What I like about Harden is that he makes it look so easy on the court. It’s almost like he has a lackadaisical element to his game. Hard to explain, it’s like he’s in a pickup game or something.
It is because of his body language when he is playing. He catches the person off guard because initially he is quiet and then BOOM he explodes with speed and plus he is a lefty so it is hard to guard. How he switches from slow then becomes so explosive is what catches so many people off guard
Without those BS foul calls he get's, he wouldn't be half the scorer he is.
Actor supreme. Other than that, he's an unstoppable force.
Period.
James Harden is a great offensive player, but if he's off, as he's been in the playoffs, he has a really hard time finding other ways to impact the game. Kevin Durant is much deadlier because he can beat you so many ways offensively, as well as defensively.
facts
James Harden has much more ways what are you talking about?
yup he's definitely struggling😂
CJ Chewjore KD don't play defense he roaches. Harden had way more up his sleeves than KD. I never seen a KD step back or euro.
dbritton89 that’s because you’re a fcking kid that just started watching basketball 2 years ago.
Wade, Kobe, Jordan, Lebron etc. all made their names in the playoffs, and by playing both ends of the court. Harden is very good, but if he ever wants to be in that conversation, he needs to play better defense and actually show up when your team needs you, not in some meaningless regular season game.
LeBron doesn’t play no D, it looks like he can because he has the size, quickness and jumping ability but he is a great defender.
Really, how the freak is a Coach saying his best player, is the best at anything news? Lame topic
Cause it's a pretty obvious lie
Freaking unfreaking believable
I love the relaxed atmosphere/nature of this show. Genuinely enjoy watching no matter the topics, the relationship between Skip, Shannon and Joy feels genuine and authentic unlike Stephen A and Max on the other show which feels toxic at times. Anyone else think this?
Too damn hot. Yes! Love their honest friendship and banter!
Pretty impressive how they don't get lost in Joy's chest.
does anyone else just stare at Joy the whole time?
Joy ... Omg 🔥
Grownsimba25 yea Joy beautiful lol.
is Joy not suppose to talk? I heard her show and she's smart, witty, funny and knows her stuff. Why have her there and not say anything?
Grownsimba25 go get a girlfriend
I understand that, what I'm saying is that she would be better suited contributing to the discussion instead of just moderating.
Harden has a deeper arsenal of offensive moves and is impossible to guard. Not athletic but extremely skilled
kawhi clamps him everytime they play
James Harden against playoff teams (if the playoffs started right now) shoots a lowly 42% from the field. But to Harden's credit I disagree with what Broussard said about Dantoni being the coach. Harden was an MVP candidate in 2015 before Dantoni arrived.
We're in a league where teams need at least 2 or more all-stars to compete for a championship. Last year Houston was projected as an 8th seed in the West, and they ended up with the 3rd best record in the NBA. They lost to a Spurs team that was in a higher seed, had 2 all-stars, and the best coach of all time. Look what at Harden's rockets are doing right now with CP3's help.
Mr. Clutch_6 LaMarcus wasnt an all-star last year, he was a shadow of what he is this year. Second, Kawhi didnt play in game 6 last year cause of injury, same with Tony Parker their starting PG at the time. You point isnt valid, everything was set up for the Rockets to win gane 6 at home, but the epic 2-10 for 10 pts 6 TO and 6 fouls meltdown of their superstar... Again, made me rofl.
He was definitely an MVP candidate that year but curry earned that MVP.
I love Chris but idk about passing Wade
I’ll take a prime healthy Dwade over this Harden any day
trevion sewell could never shoot ...harden pasted him 2years ago
trevion sewell facts
Harden>wade that’s just facts
Peter u a gsw bandwagon cheerleader lmfao
3-1 Lead L
HARDEN IN MICHAEL JORDANS ERA WOULD BE EXPOSED
He would cook defenders because haven't seen anyone play like him
Shawn69 KB Stop it Jordan is way better than Harden not even close
MINK he would cook Jordan did you see the evolution of double step back 3s lol. Harden can jack up 3s and shoot 40%. Harden can shoot more 3s than the entire team in 90s in 1 season. The only weak part of Harden game is he doesnt play any defense. But offensively he will shock those 90s boys just like how MJ shock them with his athleticism.
MJ would get exposed in today’s era
Hes the best dribble dribble bribble isolation player in rucker park
4:50 such an important discussion. Always gets neglected when ppl compare stats between players nowadays and those in past eras.
20 ppg is easier to maintain now than it was 30 years ago. Most your points were from 2, and you had a harder time making those due to the physicality and bigger players clogging the lane.
This also branches off into rebounds and assists. When your teammates can score easier, that makes for more assists. And teams are stacking spot up shooters which crank out the assists. When less ppl are clogging the lane, less rebound specialists, that’s when these PGs get these high rebounds.
And just think if OKC would've kept him like with harden and KD and RWB would've put up 125 points at night but Houston is his home and he's talking advantage of it... MVB!!
Jay Lee then he never gets to whether he is at
Ha!!! Most Valuable Beard.
Who's RWB?
voetbal12 Russell Westbrook
Why not just RW? Lol. Or KDR or JHD?
Side note...Joy be looking so good. I love the wide shots they be getting
Nobody gonna talk about Howard 30 30 game
Caleb Akinleye they did bro different segment
Wow 30,30 that's awesome
SOFT
Who is Howard
Caleb Akinleye ikr
Shannon is always tryingg to put Lebron in the convo.
What makes Harden hard to guard is his flopping. Dude throws his head back and flails his arms when a defender gets near him. Half of Harden's points basically come from the free throw line, and many others because defenders have to stay 10 feet away from him so Harden doesn't reach out and touch their arm while shooting. Pathetic. Hopefully the NBA will create a rule penalizing him for faking fouls every game.
JHatch65 I think you just fouled harden by just saying this.
Jhatch65 harden scores 8 of his 32 points a night at the line on average thats not half. Also MJ scored 7 points a game from the line oh wow MJ is pathetic good logic dude do your homeowork
Last night Harden shot 4 - 20 from the field, and 0-8 from three. He scored 21 points total (8 points from the field), but shot 18 free throws - ONLY 1 LESS THAN THE ENTIRE Detroit Pistons team. 13 of his points came from the charity stripe, WHICH IS MORE THAN HALF. Jordan never sought to get fouled like Harden clearly does. Seems like my homework is more accurate than you're willing to give credit to.
thats one game im talking season averages which makes way more sense. Thats like me saying one game MJ shot 1-15 from the field therefore he is inefficient. You have to look at per game averages lol
First of all, Harden shoots over 10 free throws a game, which is ridiculous. And when I said half of his points basically come from the free throw line, you do realize that I was not being literal, correct? My point was that he is hard to guard because the dude tries to get fouled almost every time he has the ball.
Kobe had a streak of 65, 50, 60, and 50 point games. . .
Harden is now better than Kobe and MJ???? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Shoots under 30% in go ahead shots and 41% in game 7s- Assassins mentality!
Right now top 5 SGs
1. Michael Jordan
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Jerry West
4. Dwyane Wade
5. Clyde Drexler
The best part of this show is definetly Joy Taylor.
He is the benefiter of lots of phantom fouls so his numbers look good but he is not on MJ or Kobe level of offense and post foot work etc.
TheRebuilt1 he's averaging 10FT a game...
The Knight of Awesomeness
And shoots 87% from there
Church Service yeah that's my point if a good portion of your points are from FTs then how can you be the greatest offensive player...
TheRebuilt1 he is on offense but not defence
TheRebuilt1 neither of them have a better handle than harden. Give and take
90s - Stockton-Jordan-Pippen-Malone-Olajuwon vs 2010s Curry-Harden-James-Durant-Davis
just about shows you how different the game is... from hard defence, contested two pointers and post domination to three pointers, ball movement, athleticism, team defence.
Chris Broussard is always right
Joy over there looking like a succulent green apple 🔥😍😍🔥
Chris Broussard the man!
We all know that Kobe is a different breed when it comes to offensive talent. The dude would make shots that some players would dream just to be able to get off. Not to mention his legendary “feetwork” and post game. He could attack you from anywhere and anyway he wants to, and better than Harden could.
James Harden dribble moves "Da Dat. Dada Dat Dat Dat". Lmaoooooo
I love skip. he doesn't just kick you when you're down. He makes sure he has a dirty boot on while he's doing it
Im taking wade all day. If lebron bumass would have put atleast 5 more points each game in 2011 wade woulda had 2 finals mvp and 4 rings. Harden aint close but hes really good. Wade also plays d
Paul Bearer
U mean finals mvp cuz wade always had 1 more anyways
Burnaby 604 wade got one finals mvp brown got 3
Lol Lebron is better than Wade 😂😂
Damn JOY😍😍
Kendall Marshall was averaging a double double in LA under D’antoni.
Joys cannons looking good in the green!!!!!
Yes i love her commentary ...
Finally Sharp mentioned the defense of yesteryear
They always bring up the lack of bigmen but never bring up the illegal defense and the faster pace of the 80s - early 90s.
Kobe Bryant:
• Average 35.4 ppg
• Highest PPG of the 2000's (28.2)
• 81 points
• 62 points in 3 quarters
• 55 points in a half
• First player to score 600 points in 3 consecutive playoffs
• 40-point streak
• 4 consecutive 50-point games
• 4 consecutive 40-point games at age 33
• 27.3 ppg at age 34, 17th season
• Average 40 ppg for two months
• 28.3 ppg (2010 Finals)
• 32.4 ppg (2009 Finals)
There y'all have it. Don't compare generations. No more LeBron and Jordan talk. Two different leagues. No big men nowadays, no hand checking, no defense really. Let it rest
ronny lopez these bronsexuals don’t realize that the paint is always wide open for lebron to waltz his way through in
these childen dont realize lebron has been dominating since he came in the league 15 years ago before the game became a 3 point shootout
You can make that case for shooters but lebron would be effective in any era
The player who is the most physically dominating player in the league would struggle in a more physical league? You must be high, Curry, Kyrie, Kemba, Westbrook and even Durant would have problems in the 90's, not a 6'8 250 pound freight train
The3pleThreat Westbrook would probably destroy that league. His mental game is on another level. LeBron is mentally weak, he'd crumble after he gets knocked down and begs for a call when there isn't one. Once he figures he wouldn't get the calls he gets now, he becomes a jump shooter, and a poor one at that.
Harden being the best offensive weapon is the best joke I've heard in a long time
James Harden one of the best of his ERA putting that ball in the hole.
‘Imagine if he was 6”9 ooo skip I know a guy” 😂😂 I DIED
This is laughable. Those guys had twice as many skills. Harden relies on foul calls and feasts on today's rules. If Jordan and Kobe played today, they'd destroy the NBA with the range of skills they have.
D'antoni said J. Lin was one of the great players.
Boogie Loo I agree. The fouls calls that Harden gets is like he’s Jedi mind tricking the refs
maurice horton - it's ridiculous. It's not just Harden. All perimeter players today get ridiculous calls because of today's rules and foul interpretations. Guys like Harden and Lebron however get much more with their superstar status. It would be nice to see thee guys have to play through contact - so many plays at the basket today aren't legit plays and they just throw the ball up with no chance of converting because they know a foul call is coming. If MJ or any player from the past had this type of leeway, their numbers would be even more outrageous than they were.
What's even more ridiculous is how we live in a world where people, including NBA coaches feel justified in making bombastic statements and gross generalizations without evidence as nobody is ever held accountable - people need to call them out occasionally.
Boogie Loo LeBron should get more calls than he does. Driving to the hole the most in his career & averaging the least amount of attempts in his career. I think Durant gets more calls than LBJ.
Boogie Loo if if if if if if......stop it
Kobe played in today’s rules...
I agree that Mike D'Antoni is a great offensive coach. When he coached the Lakers the first time, Kobe at 35 years old was averaging 27, 5, and 6. Imagine if he coached Kobe when he was like 26-29. Dude would average 40. Kobe at 35 was special, it just sucks he was kept in the Warriors game for too long when he effed up his knee twice. Mamba mentality lead to his downfall but the heart he showed that game was nothing seen before.
Lmao Skip trying to be sneaky with those Roid allegations at the end
*This show is so legendary and way way better than First Take. The Goat with Shannon and Skip.*
He's just talking up his boy.
Broussard is the only unbiased nba analyst on tv.
Jordan:Assassin Mentality
Kobe R.i.p:Mamba Mentality
Harden:Choking Mentality
hardens my dude but he hasnt brought his team to the finals, until then hes not there just yet. mj, kobe, wade, bron, Curry, KD are all before harden imo...BUT if those shots fall, lol it'll be interesting
chris broussard need his own show
Boi his offense is not even better than wilt chamberlain micheal jordan Kareem Abdul jabber Kobe LEBRON
Musa not don’t forget about Steph, KD, Kyrie.
Tommywood harden is a better offensive player than Kyrie
D’Antoni drinking that special Kool - Aid!
Steph in D'Antoni's system would be crazy. Probably would average 33 and 9 on close to 50-40-90 shooting.
harden my guy, but he not the best offensive player
CheffClout agreed. My favourite player since kobe and he is not the best offensive player ever
Carl O harden right now he's not but harden can eventually equate to Kobe. Not surpass him though. You also gotta remember harden is an elite passer.
I personally think Harden is so hard to guard because of his complete offensive skillset AND the constant fear of fouling him. I don’t know about others but I think that’s pretty sad for one of an elite player’s most vital traits to getting past you is the fact that he is always looking for a way to fake contact and bump INTO YOU so he can go to get some nice free points. Many players pump fake and try to juke opponents into a foul but Harden’s style is so much less outplay and much more scummy and excessive.
one of the greatest scorers in history and offensive supernova who makes the people around him better as well
While D’Antoni was holding his head down in shame when Harden only put up 10 pts in an elimination playoff game....NO WAY JORADN OR KOBE WOULD ALLOW THAT IN THEIR PRIME
he's not even the best offensive player of his generation, let alone ALL of them. say what?!
Lynn W tell em how ya feel
ik Lebron is the best PLAYER of this generation.
Radhee James Wrong Obviously it's Sean Lee
Radhee James no
Lynn W name someone better 🤔🤔
Chris was spitting facts. Jordan was destroying the rim when that rim was being protected by Monsters. Now there is nobody protecting rims.
I acuatly agreed with skip today
Mark Jackson would say Steph and Klay is the greatest backcourt of all time when no one else believed them!
I just love skip and shannons undisputed first take and d others nah good job
Skip said apb on harden, like SAS would say. They still connected.
Curry> harden
I swear they act like he wasn’t averaging 29-8-6 before D’antoni 🤦🏾♂️
James Harden is not getting by people because of his quickness, he gets by people because he is allowed to hold/push off with his right arm and hand both offensively and defensively.
You can't even compare Harden to the legendary Flash ⚡
0:47 2 giants on the right side of the video...
We gonna act like 7:53 aint happen lmaooooo
The best offensive player is clearly. Stephen Curry 🍛
This whole segment was a missed opportunity.
Yes all the greats take a back seat to Stephen Curry.
Go ahead come at this!
James Harden Is a beast ... Man can drop 40 easily , Everynight ... Got the 3pt shot , Unguardable ...
#chrisBrouGOAT
MJ, Kobe, Bron, Shaq, Steph... all better than Harden offensively
You could make a case for harden. Harden gets to the line, shoots the 3, has an amazing handle, great footwork, and is an amazing passer. He does a lot of things amazing and has a combination of skills we haven’t seen. I think that’s what Coach was saying
Skip tries to act as if Kobe didn’t have his fair share of meltdowns throughout his career. he actually quit on his team in game 7 vs Phoenix en route to blowing a 3-1 lead.
Kobe is a great player, top 10 all time, but Skip trying to say that Kobe would devour any player besides Jordan due to his mental fortitude is simply incorrect.
100 OVR Batman Bron Kobe missed 4 straight air balls in clutch time lmao
100 OVR Batman Bron first off that lakers team shouldn’t have been up 3-1 in the first place look back at that roster lmao quite possibly the worst supporting cast of all time and second he got his point across because everyone knows the suns would have been eliminated if Kobe took the game serious
Lil Dagga doesn't matter if they shouldn't have been up. If your up 3-1 you HAVE to close that deal. Lebron melting down in the finals is one thing. But if lebron or MJ up 3-1 in a series that's series is over.
Kobe has definitely had bad moments, you remember he shot 8-25 in that game 7 versus Boston, ultimately people don't discredit him because they like him... Harden is hated
Ray W that Night he was defensively a Monster !
“Ta da ta da da da” Shannon is the goat 🐐 😂
James harden LeBron james is a good offensive players
High School Skip Bayless is the best offensive player i've ever seen
Skip is right, both Kobe and MJ would smash Harden 1v1, but Harden is a beast and is only getting better.
Harden is a beast I need at least three more years of this level of production. Kobe and Mike had sustained greatness
James harden travels EVERY SINGLE TIME he does his step back move
Nick Bailey I mean, if you’re stupid yeah.
Lebron travels a lot too 🤷🏾♂️
Nick Bailey Yo for real!!!!
Like 2 percent of the time he takes a little third tap to the floor... really not a big deal.
yes and no he takes a dribble before the step sometimes
Why is Tracy McGrady and Gilbert Arenas the only people who stand behind their comments when they say his step back move is a travel
James Harden is this the best at manipulating the referees thats why he looks so great have you watch James Harden's getting close to in the playoffs when he don't get the BS calls he don't have great games
Shaquan Newton
Because he get double teamed all the time in the past
Joy looking damn good in that green.
Kobe
MJ
Durant
LeBron
T-mac
Carmelo
Any other scoring legends including Harden
Mike D'antoni said may be true coz hes covering his eyes whenever mj and mamba playing
Harden can easily have as many points as mj n kobe if he had a team that was solely designed around him like kobe and mj did. Harden imo noone is as versatile as Harden is offensively.
Ghost Note so when did harden get a post game?
Kobe never had the dribbling skills harden had
Damn i can't listen to these dudes with Joy looking good in green
Harden relies on how soft the game is to be a great as he is real talk. Dude is really good but unlike him put kobe and lebron in the 80s/90s they would still be the beasts they are. Harden not so much
OptimisticMan
You have NO evidence to justify that... that can never be proven
OptimisticMan Kobe did play in the 90's...
broussard is 100% correct about todays game been saying it for the last five years
If harden wins some rings and continues to play like this he's going down the 2nd best SG.
Kevin Polo 3rd
He ain’t touching Kobe or Jordan
no chance he passes kobe
J Sells he COULD pass kobe but not jordan
Kevin Polo not even close
Curry if D'antoni got a hold of Curry GAME OVER.
It would take a lot of winning to pass up Wade, or even Iverson. I got West at 5, I don't have much deference for the old school players.