Lane Sykes You worked for your paycheck. Took me considerable time and effort to get decent in AR in the C5. A good solid hook, especially at night or in weather/turbulence very satisfying. I usually began dripping sweat at around 8 minutes in contact. Average operational hook about 20 minutes. Some missions required 3 hooks to fly uninterrupted to usually desert type locations, from New England. Very long days.
I was on a in-flight refuel and was told in advance . 14 hours culminating with a map of earth flight through the rocky mountains before parachuting into Utah for a airshow
I have flown from both California and Washington state to both New Jersey, and Delaware on the C-141's and wondered if they had to refuel in mid air, but didn't worry about it much.
Reminds me of the 2 C-141's that crashed from McChord over Montana when one of the hotdog pilots flew into another 141. The pilot was called "chainsaw" and had a rep for crazy flying.
Which Pilot are you talking about...? I flew with both aircraft crew members and did not know of any pilot nicknamed "chainsaw" or pilot known for crazy flying as you state. Was he from the 4th MAS? "Synopsis: The aircraft were flying a night air refueling/airdrop training mission involving 4 C-141 aircraft. The lead C-141 completed refueling, and moved back to an unusually close post refueling position. The #2 aircraft completed refueling. During the rejoin, the #2 aircraft impacted the lead aircraft. Both aircraft broke up in-flight and crashed. Thirteen crew members on the two aircraft were killed. The mission was scheduled as a 4-ship night air refueling/ airdrop training mission. Weather at the time of the incident was VMC but without a visible horizon. The tanker had just reached the end of the track and had completed a 180-degree turn with the lead C-141 in trail at FL255. Lead completed refueling and backed off into what was described as an "unusually close" post refueling position and descended to FL250. #2 aircraft completed refueling. During #2’s back away, the pilot used 30 degree of bank, creating a 22 degree heading change, and a relative closure rate of 250’/sec (150 NM/hr). He allowed the aircraft to descend below lead, recognized his altitude, and pulled up from directly below the lead aircraft. The impact broke both sets of wing boxes; the aircraft broke up and crashed, with the loss of all 13 crew members."
@@Booyaka9000 Yeah, that's true. No sense getting excited over such a silly event that happened such a long time ago! How many hours did you spend in a 141?
@@CdA_Native Admittedly, considerably less than my 1500+ hours in the C-17, and recently, the A400M since my exchange with the RMAF began. Not gonna lie, I'd love to have spent some time in a 141, but they were being retired around the same time I was graduating from Duntroon.
I was an initial training instructor in C141 InFlight Refueling. Flew 5 missions a week for a year. Logged about 800 hours in contact.
Lane Sykes You worked for your paycheck. Took me considerable time and effort to get decent in AR in the C5. A good solid hook, especially at night or in weather/turbulence very satisfying. I usually began dripping sweat at around 8 minutes in contact. Average operational hook about 20 minutes. Some missions required 3 hooks to fly uninterrupted to usually desert type locations, from New England. Very long days.
Did Vertical S Deltas on the boom in C141 at night during and ORI. Col Baufman said don't do it any more. LOL
I was on a in-flight refuel and was told in advance . 14 hours culminating with a map of earth flight through the rocky mountains before parachuting into Utah for a airshow
I have flown from both California and Washington state to both New Jersey, and Delaware on the C-141's and wondered if they had to refuel in mid air, but didn't worry about it much.
I was a navigator in the C-141A/B. Flight times between the US West and East coasts were well below the unrefueled range of the aircraft.
Reminds me of the 2 C-141's that crashed from McChord over Montana when one of the hotdog pilots flew into another 141. The pilot was called "chainsaw" and had a rep for crazy flying.
Which Pilot are you talking about...? I flew with both aircraft crew members and did not know of any pilot nicknamed "chainsaw" or pilot known for crazy flying as you state. Was he from the 4th MAS?
"Synopsis: The aircraft were flying a night air refueling/airdrop training mission involving 4 C-141 aircraft. The lead C-141 completed refueling, and moved back to an unusually close post refueling position. The #2 aircraft completed refueling. During the rejoin, the #2 aircraft impacted the lead aircraft. Both aircraft broke up in-flight and crashed. Thirteen crew members on the two aircraft were killed.
The mission was scheduled as a 4-ship night air refueling/ airdrop training mission. Weather at the time of the incident was VMC but without a visible horizon. The tanker had just reached the end of the track and had completed a 180-degree turn with the lead C-141 in trail at FL255. Lead completed refueling and backed off into what was described as an "unusually close" post refueling position and descended to FL250. #2 aircraft completed refueling. During #2’s back away, the pilot used 30 degree of bank, creating a 22 degree heading change, and a relative closure rate of 250’/sec (150 NM/hr). He allowed the aircraft to descend below lead, recognized his altitude, and pulled up from directly below the lead aircraft. The impact broke both sets of wing boxes; the aircraft broke up and crashed, with the loss of all 13 crew members."
That was not even close to being the case. There was NO “crazy” flying
Not as easy as it looks! Very challenging to say the least. T-tail in the wash!
This is absolutly cool. What is your experiennce with using a cell phone at altitude? Will it work or not? Just always wondered.
They tell you in advance and i slept through it
I don’t remember McChord ever loosening a
Who the hell let the jokers sit in the back? That wasn't a game folks, that was serious! I might have been on that 141 for all I know!
Lighten up, Francis.
@@Booyaka9000 Yeah, that's true. No sense getting excited over such a silly event that happened such a long time ago! How many hours did you spend in a 141?
@@CdA_Native Admittedly, considerably less than my 1500+ hours in the C-17, and recently, the A400M since my exchange with the RMAF began. Not gonna lie, I'd love to have spent some time in a 141, but they were being retired around the same time I was graduating from Duntroon.