Just got to see this song played live on the 25th anniversary tour. He saved it for last after playing all the others on the album and on the Control album. I wonder if it’s the first time since this tour that he’s played it
i remember this guy and his band driving up to a coffee shop in a crappy mini van. I sat and talked to him for about 30 minutes. They played a brilliant set for almost 2 hours for about 20 people. Ill never forget that night, summer of 2000.
I'll never forget how much I used to connect with this song. Hearing him openly admit his struggle with belief is what eventually gave me the strength to let it go.
years later but this song strengthened my faith. Art is weird. Once it is out it is the ownership of those consuming it. All love to you and hope you have peace and happiness whichever path you take.
oh, how i wish to see him playing alive... david is such an amazing artist! americans are lucky for that. i live in brazil and probably will never see this happen. =/
I just want to hear this song live again. I heard it once and it will never leave my brain. David, please understand that there are a lot of people that love and appreciate this song for what it is, not just religious meaning. This song has helped me through so many things in my life. "But if all that's left is duty, I am falling on my sword. At least then, I would not serve and unseen distant Lord." That line has brought me to tears on more occasions than I can count. Please reconsider.
I can't even hear the words because his emotions are speaking so loudly to me. I can relate to the words coming out of the mouth in a rehearsed, monotone manner, while inside my soul is dying because I have been struck with the mighty blow of realization. Thank you David for being a pure, honest soul.
Listening to this song for the first time was like a revelation for me, it sums up my feelings and thoughts about religion/God within 2 verses and a chorus. I think it's difficult to fully appreciate this song if you've not grown up in the christian sub culture and have questioned it's merits.
Same here. The thing is, this some means more to me know after I left christianity than it ever did before. The other day I played this song for a friend and told him "hey check this out, this song changed my life" and when I told him it was david bazan, he freaked out for a sec. Turns out he played bass at church with Dave Bazans dad and knows him real well. Weird.
This is still such an emotionally moving song. Let's face it, the majority of Bazan's fans are former or current Christians, so it strikes a chord. It's so honest. I love it.
I heard this song the other day for the first time and was blown away? "How did my most intimate thought get put on the radio?" All too often you find people acting crazy because that's what people expect of them, while I have always felt my faith to be like rolling a boulder up hill, with every sin to be a stumble in an already difficult task. More so because on top of everything else, I'm gay. I know what faith looks like. It's not waving your arms in the air, but reaching out to help the ne
I think there is another way to go on that too. As a younger man I was really annoyed by how poorly the church lived what I read and believed from the scriptures. But I believed that if I felt that way, it was not just a tragedy, or a proof, but a problem. One that needed to be solved. It caused me to go into Christian ministry. In the real local church I serve, people tell me they see God working quite a lot. It seems like every week people are 'seeing God' in the community of our church.
This really breaks my heart. I turned this song a number of times since I first heard it in my youth. It was comforting to know that someone else could have doubt but try to keep faith. He did write a beautiful song about his struggle though, something that David does so well.
freeme10 I hear ya. This song is literally the reason that I lost my faith. I was so scared to question Christianity but I looked up to Bazan so much. When I realized that he questioned it as much as I did, it gave me the strength to take an honest look at it, and ultimately leave the faith. I couldn't be happier for it.
One of my favorites by David. And at the end when he responds to the guy he’s not actually being serious. That’s how he is. Sorta dry humor. He’s making a joke- not trying to be rude or literal.
i have listened to this dozens of times but just now realized that he changed the lyrics. "the devoted were selling bracelets to remind us why we came". adds another layer of meaning to the song, much closer to the criticism he expresses on control.
This is amazing song. And even before I listened and payed attention to this songs lyrics, i thought this was one of the best songs ever written it is definitely one of if not my absolute favorite song ever.
Dave sort of explains the meaning behind this song in the undertownmusic video in the suggestion bar entitled, "David Bazan Interview: Disappointed Fans."
I think this song works partly because it sounds like a lament. I'm a very serious Christian, but I feel like I could just about sin this AS a worship lament. It reminds me a little of the book of Lamentations.
He was, Pedro used to be the only good Christian band out there. Somehow along the way, (about the time Control was released)he quit practicing Christianity. I think he's agnostic, but I'm not 100% sure. I don't think he's anti-Christian.. but he just doesn't seem to care anymore. Its such an interesting story!
definately my fave. it does sort of hurt to see/hear him sing it [note the lyric changes]-at the same time it'd be a lie if i said that the rest of us don't go through the same struggles -and if you don't struggle then i'd question is it the euphoria of conversion? he's always been about the contradictions between being a christian and being a flawed/broken human. as far as i'm concerned this only one moment captured n doesn't completely reflect where he [or we] end up
@BubbaCoop I claimed no such thing. Julius Caesar was never reported to have raised from the dead and walk on water. I also never denied that Jesus existed. All I said is that it is in fact, one of the possible options.
Also, couldn't he be referring to himself? "This guy doesn't exist" meaning the person depicted in the song. Of course, he could mean "God" and my world wouldn't crumble. But I think when Bazan retires (far, far in the future) he will breathe a sigh of relief that he's no longer taken to be as doctrinally dependable as the Psalmist who shared his name.
@Fender9117 i totally agree...i love pedro and his solo stuff but if your constantly singing about struggling and doubting I feel that is just fueling the fire and not really seeking for the living god that he has obviously encountered but now is running from.
Mara Smith some days I don’t love him at all. It similar to self betrayal, you always kinda knew and one day you confront it. This song moves me deeply, always have, regardless of being an unbeliever.
Man, he seemed so deeply bothered by playing this song. Is inability to sing the most hopeful lines of the song make sense as to why he doesn't want to sing the song again. Does anyone know if this is the last time he actually played that song? It's incredible if this video really did capture the last time Bazan was willing to sing it.
i noticed he changed "the devoted were wearing bracelets" to "the devoted were selling bracelets" seems a bit more hypocritical and much more in line with his current views of christians
...needy, downtrodden, and weak. It's not about the latest trend that gives you warm fuzzy feelings about yourself, but about trying to live our lives according to the selflessness our saviour taught us 2000 years ago.
BradFazner, you've got to appreciate how the lyrics seem to show his own personal struggles with belief at that time, that did eventually lead to his current state of woke.
I hate that old cliche. It's just not true, and it's patronizing to those of us who have been in that situation. Two years ago I had a very bad case of osteomyelitis that had spread from my bone to the rest of my body after a botched surgery, I did not find god; in fact the religious gap seemed more accute. I felt like people were bringing up god more for their own comfort than for mine, and it was isolating. It maybe comforting to think their are no atheists when facing death, but we exist.
I won't presume to speak for Mr. Bazan, as I have no idea what personal trials and tribulations he has been through over the past few years that has caused him to abandon his faith. However, many a person's faith has been stolen by the idols of the age: relativism, scientific materialism, and other forms of fanaticism.
...While it is always a mistake to engage with a person on youtube, as most of the users are irrational, it probably is even more so with a self-righteous atheist: in my experience, they are much more close-minded than even the most strident evangelical....
everything else stems from this fact: that life is hard and we suffer. you can lecture me all day long about your definition of "rationality"...but that's just it: it's your definition. and it's mind-numbingly simplistic. but if you want to bring up the suffering of innocent children and try and rationalize that with respect to a good God, well then, we might have something to talk about.
"You'll never hear that again, that was it." *presses repeat button*
He obviously meant live again but that's the best way to look at it lol
Just got to see this song played live on the 25th anniversary tour. He saved it for last after playing all the others on the album and on the Control album. I wonder if it’s the first time since this tour that he’s played it
Now I know what to expect in Indianapolis next week 😊
It’s 2024 and this version with the intro is the best version… and the version of me that feels this way is still here 15 years or so later
i remember this guy and his band driving up to a coffee shop in a crappy mini van. I sat and talked to him for about 30 minutes. They played a brilliant set for almost 2 hours for about 20 people. Ill never forget that night, summer of 2000.
I'll never forget how much I used to connect with this song. Hearing him openly admit his struggle with belief is what eventually gave me the strength to let it go.
years later but this song strengthened my faith. Art is weird. Once it is out it is the ownership of those consuming it. All love to you and hope you have peace and happiness whichever path you take.
oh, how i wish to see him playing alive... david is such an amazing artist! americans are lucky for that. i live in brazil and probably will never see this happen. =/
I just want to hear this song live again. I heard it once and it will never leave my brain. David, please understand that there are a lot of people that love and appreciate this song for what it is, not just religious meaning. This song has helped me through so many things in my life. "But if all that's left is duty, I am falling on my sword. At least then, I would not serve and unseen distant Lord." That line has brought me to tears on more occasions than I can count. Please reconsider.
He’s playing it again on his current tour. Heard it last night in Tampa and I couldn’t believe it! Unforgettable moment
I can't even hear the words because his emotions are speaking so loudly to me. I can relate to the words coming out of the mouth in a rehearsed, monotone manner, while inside my soul is dying because I have been struck with the mighty blow of realization. Thank you David for being a pure, honest soul.
Listening to this song for the first time was like a revelation for me, it sums up my feelings and thoughts about religion/God within 2 verses and a chorus. I think it's difficult to fully appreciate this song if you've not grown up in the christian sub culture and have questioned it's merits.
One of the best songs by one of the best American musicians of our time. Drink it in while you can ladies and gents. Peace, be still...
Same here. The thing is, this some means more to me know after I left christianity than it ever did before. The other day I played this song for a friend and told him "hey check this out, this song changed my life" and when I told him it was david bazan, he freaked out for a sec. Turns out he played bass at church with Dave Bazans dad and knows him real well. Weird.
This is still such an emotionally moving song. Let's face it, the majority of Bazan's fans are former or current Christians, so it strikes a chord. It's so honest. I love it.
My kind of worship music
I heard this song the other day for the first time and was blown away? "How did my most intimate thought get put on the radio?" All too often you find people acting crazy because that's what people expect of them, while I have always felt my faith to be like rolling a boulder up hill, with every sin to be a stumble in an already difficult task. More so because on top of everything else, I'm gay.
I know what faith looks like. It's not waving your arms in the air, but reaching out to help the ne
this is the greatest thing i've seen in a long while.
It makes me infinitely sad that I'll never hear this song live. It's so beautiful.
I was at that show!!! I still remembered that little speech he gave at the beginning. He opened for a band called The New Year on that night.
I think there is another way to go on that too. As a younger man I was really annoyed by how poorly the church lived what I read and believed from the scriptures. But I believed that if I felt that way, it was not just a tragedy, or a proof, but a problem. One that needed to be solved. It caused me to go into Christian ministry. In the real local church I serve, people tell me they see God working quite a lot. It seems like every week people are 'seeing God' in the community of our church.
This really breaks my heart. I turned this song a number of times since I first heard it in my youth. It was comforting to know that someone else could have doubt but try to keep faith. He did write a beautiful song about his struggle though, something that David does so well.
freeme10 I hear ya. This song is literally the reason that I lost my faith. I was so scared to question Christianity but I looked up to Bazan so much. When I realized that he questioned it as much as I did, it gave me the strength to take an honest look at it, and ultimately leave the faith. I couldn't be happier for it.
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This song hurts my heart, but I love it so much.
This song is fun to play. His second best song about faith and Christianity. The best one is: "When We Fell"
One of my favorites by David. And at the end when he responds to the guy he’s not actually being serious. That’s how he is. Sorta dry humor. He’s making a joke- not trying to be rude or literal.
One my favorite songs to play on guitar to lift myself up. Thanks David. You truly rock.
Beautiful. Thank you.
THANK YOU DAVID!!
This song absolutely fucking kills me every damn time.
This truly breaks my heart.
His voice, is insanley simple with so much soul...
I can barely contain it, David Bazan is one genius
i have listened to this dozens of times but just now realized that he changed the lyrics. "the devoted were selling bracelets to remind us why we came". adds another layer of meaning to the song, much closer to the criticism he expresses on control.
This is amazing song. And even before I listened and payed attention to this songs lyrics, i thought this was one of the best songs ever written it is definitely one of if not my absolute favorite song ever.
I think this is how many people who attend American churches feel. In fact I know it is how they feel.
So so good. Thanks for posting
Praise Jah!
conquering lion of the tribe of Judah!!
this song....so good
Oh. Yeah. You're right. Wow. For years I got these two mixed up... thanks.
Amén
AMEN!!! :) Thats exactly what Ive been trying to say about his music and I just couldnt form the words right! You did! Thank you for posting that!!
Can't wait to hear this on Tuesday in Indianapolis, just recently came back to the church and it has saved my life.
I agree with a lot of that. Bazan's spirituality is an interesting case.
Dave sort of explains the meaning behind this song in the undertownmusic video in the suggestion bar entitled, "David Bazan Interview: Disappointed Fans."
Thank you!!
eeee this is so beautiful
Thats incredible
This song makes me very sad to hear now.
I think this song works partly because it sounds like a lament. I'm a very serious Christian, but I feel like I could just about sin this AS a worship lament. It reminds me a little of the book of Lamentations.
I'd like to say, at least a hundred of the plays on this video are from me, probably.
Great audio, but I wish you would have zoomed in a bit tighter on his face.
Makes me sad to hear that "a lot's changed" since he wrote this.
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"You will never hear that again." Oh really, Mr. Bazan? 0:00
He was, Pedro used to be the only good Christian band out there. Somehow along the way, (about the time Control was released)he quit practicing Christianity. I think he's agnostic, but I'm not 100% sure. I don't think he's anti-Christian.. but he just doesn't seem to care anymore. Its such an interesting story!
It's Hard to Find a Friend, 1998. Google it.
0:41 - 0:51 💙
Run the toll acrossed the bells
definately my fave. it does sort of hurt to see/hear him sing it [note the lyric changes]-at the same time it'd be a lie if i said that the rest of us don't go through the same struggles -and if you don't struggle then i'd question is it the euphoria of conversion? he's always been about the contradictions between being a christian and being a flawed/broken human. as far as i'm concerned this only one moment captured n doesn't completely reflect where he [or we] end up
"It's Hard To Find A Friend"
Satan always tries to pull us back
is this a cover of thrice? or thrice cover this one? is very great song
Does any one have chords/tab for this?
search 'peace be still on new years day'
haha, yes
Last week, David played this song again for the first time since this video. 26:50 of this video.
m.twitch.tv/videos/606281453
@BubbaCoop Of course not. Why would they risk losing their grants?
You're correct. I made no such claim.
wow he plays his guitar really high up haha. anyways, powerful song.
@BubbaCoop I claimed no such thing. Julius Caesar was never reported to have raised from the dead and walk on water. I also never denied that Jesus existed. All I said is that it is in fact, one of the possible options.
you guys should exchange phone numbers.
@johngeetar
So serious historian will make that claim.
What Album Is This One?
Also, couldn't he be referring to himself? "This guy doesn't exist" meaning the person depicted in the song.
Of course, he could mean "God" and my world wouldn't crumble. But I think when Bazan retires (far, far in the future) he will breathe a sigh of relief that he's no longer taken to be as doctrinally dependable as the Psalmist who shared his name.
@Fender9117 i totally agree...i love pedro and his solo stuff but if your constantly singing about struggling and doubting I feel that is just fueling the fire and not really seeking for the living god that he has obviously encountered but now is running from.
@jgraham97mc What?! and whats with the rhyming?
yes, pm me
I think that he's lamenting th fact that he has lost his faith, and that it doesn't touch him. He wants to find god, but he just can't seem to.
Mara Smith some days I don’t love him at all. It similar to self betrayal, you always kinda knew and one day you confront it. This song moves me deeply, always have, regardless of being an unbeliever.
Man, he seemed so deeply bothered by playing this song. Is inability to sing the most hopeful lines of the song make sense as to why he doesn't want to sing the song again. Does anyone know if this is the last time he actually played that song? It's incredible if this video really did capture the last time Bazan was willing to sing it.
Logan Rowland I suspect but it doesn’t really matter, it’s the last time it mattered.
Um. This song is mis-titled. It's called "The Bells."
@reclusivesage Yes, he is no longer a christian.
i noticed he changed "the devoted were wearing bracelets" to "the devoted were selling bracelets" seems a bit more hypocritical and much more in line with his current views of christians
no.. its called secret of the easy yoke hah
@jgraham97mc The other option being that he never existed at all.
...needy, downtrodden, and weak. It's not about the latest trend that gives you warm fuzzy feelings about yourself, but about trying to live our lives according to the selflessness our saviour taught us 2000 years ago.
great song, but yeah, now, me being atheist, i don't have the same feelings for the song
BradFazner, you've got to appreciate how the lyrics seem to show his own personal struggles with belief at that time, that did eventually lead to his current state of woke.
I think it's sad that he's lost his faith...
I hate that old cliche. It's just not true, and it's patronizing to those of us who have been in that situation. Two years ago I had a very bad case of osteomyelitis that had spread from my bone to the rest of my body after a botched surgery, I did not find god; in fact the religious gap seemed more accute. I felt like people were bringing up god more for their own comfort than for mine, and it was isolating.
It maybe comforting to think their are no atheists when facing death, but we exist.
who cares. just listen to it...
I'm sorry that the personal struggles of a musician who does not present himself as a clergyman have somehow ruined part of your life.
I won't presume to speak for Mr. Bazan, as I have no idea what personal trials and tribulations he has been through over the past few years that has caused him to abandon his faith. However, many a person's faith has been stolen by the idols of the age: relativism, scientific materialism, and other forms of fanaticism.
...While it is always a mistake to engage with a person on youtube, as most of the users are irrational, it probably is even more so with a self-righteous atheist: in my experience, they are much more close-minded than even the most strident evangelical....
haha, yikes
otherwise, you just annoy me
everything else stems from this fact: that life is hard and we suffer. you can lecture me all day long about your definition of "rationality"...but that's just it: it's your definition. and it's mind-numbingly simplistic. but if you want to bring up the suffering of innocent children and try and rationalize that with respect to a good God, well then, we might have something to talk about.
the only...ONLY...argument against God's existence that is worth considering is the presence of evil and suffering in the world....
oh my lord get this guy out of here.
There're no Atheists in foxholes...