Talk to Thorin: fREAKAZOiD on the State of NA (CS:GO)
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- Ryan "fREAKAZOiD" Abadir, former entry fragger for Cloud9 and Echo Fox, talks to Thorin about the state of the North American CS:GO scene, including what he thinks is missing from it.
This episode was prompted by a clip which surfaced of fREAKAZOiD complaining about the lack of energy in the NA scene:
/ sincerecleverstinkbugp...
'Talk to Thorin' is an interview series focused more around specific topics and topical matters than 'Reflections', my long form interview series. 
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" oh can you swear btw?" -freakazoid
"please do, I encourage it" -what thorin should have said
at this point i think im just mentally ill but "should of" hurts my brain so much.
Ha Peenes HAHAA
should've/should of, same thing
NOICE it's not the same thing lol
i understand it's grammatically wrong but it's integrated in language at this point, live with it, embrace it, soak it in, and breathe, everything will be ok, i promise :)
freak is chill and nice guy. really cool that he can joke about himself. I think s1mple incident is not so bad as community thinks. I'm from Cis and I still see his good side
rip English
The one really wasn't bad English at all :)
dragon trail You are so triggered lmao
Robert V. he is clearly a troll mate
carlangasm1 interviews are generally the more accurate way of seeing how a person really is in contrast to stream, twitter, etc
Holy shit Freakazoid is such a good guest for a talk show, dude can explain himself very well and is entertaining to listen to, much love to him and of course Thoorin for bringing Freak on
I thought Thorin always expressed a decent amount of respect for fREAKAZOiD's willingness to play the point man. He'd always soldier up and dive through smokes and eat the bullets to enable his teammates to make trade kills and entry frags.
Geoffrey Robinson it's very admirable. NA need players with more balls.
El Lohvrti like freak said- it's more about image and KD. Would rather make moves to maximize personal score than win rounds
Which is also the exact same thing that stewie said was a problem with NA teams
You find a lot of those in Silvers.
kappa
thats like stewie now these days...same thing, everyone giving him shit
HOLY SHIT I THORIN AND FREAKAZOID TOGETHER?? I GOTTTA SEE THIS SHIT
this shit was great 10/10
I always liked Steel and DaZed as players because they got mad whenever they lost, they played with emotions and played to win, in a way many people see as toxic but it's clear losing wasn't good enough.
That's exactly what I mean. they're 2 of the most intelligent players in the NA scene with clear passion. such a shame they can't compete
***** I mean swag is probably one of the most technically skilled players right, so NA scene really misses him. But those 3 players (don't know much about AZK) could just improve any top NA team or make their own (in theory)
yeah always assumed he was great because of how good the reputation of iBP was, plus that's exactly the role the team needed
Scott Like If it was only that, it would be a good thing. Problem is raging before you even lost and insulting your teammates. Both CAUSES you to lose the game. If you think you need to be overly emotional to win, look at Astralis: They're one of the most calm and collected teams I've ever seen.
yea AZK was like the NA version of seized
fREAKAZOiD seems like a good guy..
he is a bully
Roku He had a "bullying" incident once. I still think he's a good guy and really down to earth
if you are a snowflake then he is a bully XD
Roku Bullying isn't really a good term to describe it though. It was a misshappen and it was solved, it's as s1mple as that. So stop Freakazoiding out.
TheArb999 exactly
ty, been looking forward to this!
me vry big fen
love your vidss!
Great conversation, Freak gets a lot of hate but deep down i think we all know he brings something other players simply dont. I hope he makes the best out of his break and comers back even stronger. Shame there wasnt a segment fixing the tensions u guys had before but at least it looks like you are both all good now!
used to hate freak, until 2 weeks ago
Weeaboos Hunter You just hated him cause the community overreacted the simple bullying stuff
Like many people. Just sheeps in this community, and many other communities online.
Just a Worm you just described all the dazed and steel haters
God bless you man
#freeibp
I WAS HERE BEFORE MITTENS YEEEEEET
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People hated freak because they were jumping on a bandwagon, I found that hilarious. The "bullying" wasn't even bullying, it's called typical internet trash talk that happens regardless if you're in NA or EU. The only reason it became a big deal was because of people needlessly blowing it out of proportion. Hell, even some of the pros jumped on the bandwagon to avoid backlash.
A team needs to pick freak up fast. Sure he's gonna be out of shape in the pro scene, but he'd at least be a damn good influence or even a coach.
Joe : he plays in mdl with swag and a few other pros already. They are going for a ESL Pro League spot this season
the german cs scene is the exact same thing, ah and cheaters of course ;)
LikeBOOMCA German CS is in a much worse state, lol.
lol german cs has like 3 pros
The lower level of the german scene, yes.
Rush Sensed german scene has a big lower tier pro scene
German cs is even worse. So many braindead fucks.
Gotta love Freakazoid, such a great guy. He and Thoorin has some kinda chemistry going on here, really nice hearing them talk
unban dazed and steel and watch them play in a team, im sure they will play in super saiyan mode.
Xecor Bro Why does everyone keep saying that? They're toxic guys and they fucked over the community. How can people not care about that? Also, they weren't that good, no team with them would've become Top 1
BottomFragger ur an idiot
BottomFragger when were you born? yesterday? they were the most legendary NA players in cs. who cares if they were toxic? they cared about the game and they still do.
add swag in any NA team and u got a god team
BottomFragger how are they toxic?
this na team needs to happen :
- sgares as igl
-autimatic as star player
-rush as support
-elige as entry (second star)
-stewie as support
freakazoid as the fucking coach who gives motivation and shit
inb4 freak becoming a coach
having stewie as support is the worst idea ive ever heard, would never work
Greg Ladd why? Imagine him playing discipline with all the nades and supporting others while also having the ability to clutch with his good raw aim. I dont think the NA superteam needs another star like stewie
because a: autimatic isnt playing the star role in c9 yet its the best he's played in his career. stewie wants to be an entry fragger and a star player so him and elige would clash. the team would be better as: sgares (if he goes all in which i doubt he will), rush as the entry, eligeas the star and 2nd man in, autimatic as the 2nd star and 3rd man in then stan as support
Greg Ladd you know, stewie and elige could always be like double entries that pair with each other. Other cases like these are elige and nitro as well as apex and nbk. However, if we're really talking about the best, it would be stupid not to use rush, the best entry in NA. I disagree with stan being support however. He used to be a great support and now igl but i dont think he has the firepower needed. He could oftenly have off games that would really impact the match. Imo also stan should be the igl not sgares. Stan has proved to be the best NA igl as if atm, its impressive that he led optic into the top so why not use him?
Imo : igl stan, entry rush, elige 2nd man in (1st star), autimatic 3rd guy in (2nd star), twistzz (support)
This team would be really interesting.
dude, im not a huge fan of freak, but he's honestly a great sounding guy, who knows how to take a step back back and look at things logically. props to him
run it straight then freak! but cool interview here thorin thanks. always love your work mate.
YES thank you thorin (and Freak) i've been waiting for this type of video for a long time!
Freak would make a great coach because of his mentality
Shroud said on stream that C9 hired a sports psychologist and he said that the psychologist talked to everyone in the team individually. Shroud also said he felt it didn't help at all
Brydogge link?
Brydogge but shroud doesn't feel
Brydogge fuck shroud moving to his own house not giving a shit about his team only about himself and his personal life
Well its the basic concept of Therapy. You need to be open about it. If you come in pretty sketipcal or if you dont really care the psychologist can do nothing about it.
Which is exactly was this Video is about. NA doesnt seem to care that they have become the memeregion of the Esportsscene. Atleast they are getting paid right?
Take someone like Shroud, he makes the big $$$ no matter what happens. If they go out in Groups he still gets mad money. If they win its a slight bump in Income. If he gets kicked from the Team he still makes more than enough Money. He has nothing to worry about, no matter what happens.
The NA scene are like the guys in regular Sports that are 99% of the time on the Bench. They get paid for doing nothing but still have the bragging rights that they are "playing" for said Team (The Team here stands for CSGO). Sure once in awhile they come onto the field for their 5 minutes of fame but thats it. And very rarely you have someone on the Bench who is not happy and really wants to be in the starting lineup so he puts in the extra work thats needed.
PlaceIte are you fucking kidding me? He has a right to move out and have his own home. If he is getting distracted from CS then maybe? But because he moved out? Fucking crazy
I like Csgo
nice
Shut up Billy
Billy Hashbrown k
Great points being made about actual sports. All the athletes that have a strong background in competitive "real" sports bring a different understanding of what a team is, it's even noticable when pugging. The mid rounds dicussions about gone rounds I never understand because the normal mindset should be 'shit happened, we're gonna work twice as hard to get out of here', not blaming the goalkeeper for a mistake he might have made. Also loved freaks point about the quality of practice. It's strange that the best hockey players will still practice basic stick drills until their backs and wrists hurt every single day, but pro csgo players thinking playing pugs is enough to achieve the highest level. It's like ice training where the coach says "we're just gonna play games today"... it never happens.
Sweet not a boring ass guest
Looks like Thorin finally paid for his heater bill.
YetAnotherAsian in a hotel
Still one of my favorites. Freak keeps it real as fuck. Much respect
"CRISP. CLEAN. AIMLOCK. BOISS."
Nice interview. Freak seems like he'll make a good coach/manager someday
Were the outfits planned? White shirt and Black headset?
23:35 Dazed and Steel, last NA hopes :D
It's so sad that Steel can't go pro again :/
Eduardo Cella, Valve also has to set an example so that throwing never happens again in the future, They should not be un-banned because they broke the rules.
+Luis Garcia
Thats my point. There were no rules.
And please, don't come with "unspoken rules" and what not, these are not admissible. If you have a RULE, you need to have an EXPLICIT PUNISHMENT for breaking that rule.
Thats why its unfair. Set an example? Yeah, maybe. But times change.
There were rules against throwing back then to, The only thing that was never specified was how long the ban would be.
First of all, can you link me to some source of any kind about the rule? Can't find it nowhere.
Second, as I said, its irrelevant having a rule without an explicit punishment to it. Too subjective. Thats why laws are very clear about what's the penalty you can get, otherwise it wouln't be valid.
This is so on point!!!
I don't really understand why people were hating on freak so much, when the drama went down I knew he was not a bad guy. It was Simple's fault as much as it was freaks.
Kyle Gaiser no. But judging freak on a single moment is stupid.
El Lohvrti debatable since according to the players simple was yelling at people the entire day and freak was trying to defend his friends that being said what he said was ridiculous but he was a good guest
TheElectriczil not a reason to say what he did. Either way, anyone can let go in a single moment and it can cripple their public figure.
They can't be talking about mixwell if you watched any of his steams you would realise he has a passion for the game with his emotions and his skill he is the perfect example of what the na scene should be like in order to progress
Next DaZeD pls xd
Hikos biggest issue is his home setup, he is playing on a 27 inch monitor when all tournament monitors, usually the ASUS VG248QE and BenQ XL2420Z (24 inches) that 3 inches make a huge difference on how muscle memory works with pixel to pixel transitions in the game. If hiko went back to tournament size monitors, stayed on a solid mouse. You would see his consistency increase like it was prior to him switching his home setup so much different than tourney pcs.
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2:46 Does fREAK sound like he just inhaled helium? :P
Magnus Haaland lol he did I think we gonna gonna do an impersonation but gave up right away 😂
Magnus Haaland fuuuuuck i thought about that as welll 😂😂 high five ma maaaate
Magnus Haaland fuuuuuck i thought about that as welll 😂😂 high five ma maaaate
Look, that's exactly why I like Dazed. He always gets angry at himself and his teammates when losing. Some might consider this as toxic but I think it's a very positive thing that he desperately wants to win.
dawg I dont give a fuck about what anyone says. freakazoid is real as fuck man.
Thorin ended it real quick. Right before the tear slipped and he balled his eyes out from freaks compliments
I understand what freakazoid is talking about and how he was taunting about c9 not sticking together.....C9 just benched shroud and n0thing.
If all teams did what freakazoid said, it would be like the fnatic of 2015
Well from watching a OpTic Vision a while back when they picked up Mixwell. When he joined he said they all had shit work ethic and didn't care about winning just enjoyed getting by playing CSGO if they could. Then look what happened when he join a massive growth not just because he is good but because he made everyone else want to win.
Didn't know Brandon Urie played CSGO
they look nothing alike lol
Brendan yeah sure thing Brendan 'not brandon urie' Urie
F Major K R u high
China numba one
More players should start to look at CSGO and other games from pure "sports" perspective. Work hard, do your job. I feel like many people can't understand it.
Simply, NA player just did not put enough work in competitive CS:GO. When we talked about VP's success, we always forget that Snax was in top 20 from 2013 to 2016. Byail was in top 20 in 2014. They have proven that they have beast mode.
My man did comeback with swole patrol!
AIM but no BRAIN, gj Freak
LUL NA CS LUL
I hope fREAKAZOID gets back on a good team. He helped bring the NA scene back to the top when he was in Cloud9
Someone needs to do petition to get DaZed, Steel and swag back. they would boost NA cs scene alot
The core issue is that NA teams make too much money for failure and on top of that most of them come from already well off families.
I feel like DaZed, Steel and Swag need to be unbanned. DaZed was one of the best IGL ever and has crazy knowledge about the game and even though he can't play at majors, he still studies the game and keeps up with everything. Feel kinda bad for them at this point, they've served a good amount of time for what they did.
Unban iBP is the solution. xD
Freak was never a stellar player in his own right, but he could be part of a world class (temporarily) C9 team because he has an insanely good attitude in approaching the game.
The team needs to win, and someone has to do the dirty work to get that win. Freak epitomises selflessness in game.
Imagine if IBP wasn't banned, wins a bunch of tournaments. More than Europe had won after they got banned. Would it change the mentality for NA teams? Where they would think "Oh, if they (IBP) can win them all, why can't we?"
It's so weird to me how much alike me and Freak are. That's just so fucking weird! Creeps me the fuck out! :o
Just that he's prooly not LEM yet :)
Just realized while watching this youtube has unsubbed me from your channel thorin.
Hey Thorin, I'd like to see a video about the rise and fall of N.I.P. Watching DreamHack, it felt like they just don't have the fire that they once had. It seems like some of the topics that you and Freakazoid talked about in this video
i dont have any insight but from what i feel i agree with everything he said. its like they are fine with just being relavant in NA. i also feel like EU have better roots then NA. atleast in sweden alot of ppl didnt play stuff like esea where your stats showed and and saved. we just rented a server and searched for 5v5s in IRC PWC channels lol. you play the ppl you find and either win or lose. nothing saves. you play the next. win or lose. not get good KDR or RWS. just win and nothing else. and if you start with that and thats whats in your mind, no stats no nothing, just win or lose, then you will make your team win more often. you think krimz gives a shit if he flash for himself and get a kill or if he flash so olof can get a kill? he just automatically does what gives them the biggest chance to win. stats are nothing if you lose. also funny that freakazoid is the one saying "they only care about how they look like" when he used to do anti-bully videos and shit being the biggest poser ever. "mentally strong" pff. somone who is mentally strong never tries to put somone down to feel up yourself.
Yessssss!!!!
its funny just thinking about what freak is saying and how the banned ibp guys (dazed, steel & swag) fin perfectly under what he wants. People that are passionate about the game and just want to be the best. Sad that valves punishment is what it is. Those guys are probably the only hope NA has at being great again.
awww freak at the end
Talking about looking good in paper. JW called Device out for being a stat hogger getting exit frags and everything. He didn't directly call him out but he had a mini Q&A while waiting for FPL.
SLiX I love device but he saves all the time and gets eco frags alot. not to say he isn't a good awper but I feel like it definitely pads his stats
It makes sense kinda. The player's in eu are sometimes fat and that's because they dedicate their life to gaming and being one of the best. But in NA only Hiko it seems is putting that much work in. It's not about what people think of you all the time. It's what people think about your game and playstyle
fREAKAZOiD clearly on the addy during this interview.
gotta love NA cs. don't know what happened between 1.6 and csgo but somewhere the idea that it was a team game was lost and it became about the individual. This leading to if someone performs badly and the team loses, it is their fault and kick to get someone better. Although I also think na players have huge egos and will only play with people they like instead of making the best team possible with people they had an argument with once 4 years ago. i think my calo team had better team skills 9 years ago than some pro na teams
Greenwall fans.. u think he will be a good pick up? strong personality.. maybe a igl. Seems like a guy that takes over amd do what he needs to do.
I'm a huge shroud fan but a shit ton of freak's comments seemed like low key shots at shroud. Which he definitely deserves
Noah33 definitely. Shroud needs to make a decision NOW. Either he leaves the pro scene to be a full time streamer, or he really tries and succeeds with c9. They have a lot of potential with the autim/stew dynamic. Ska is still fairly solid, and n0thing usually does decent.
Alex Marquis Yeah I agree but I hope he chooses to stay pro and to win
Alex Marquis you guys throw so much shit at shroud but you should really look at n0thing.
wow freakz streaming part was really hard hitting, if you think about how much pashabiceps made with streaming just to give it up and train harder with his team its really amazing
i like how he compares the mentality of NA teams vs VP and astralis when they should be comparing them to teams like kinguin or tricked
Im not from some cis im from sweden so i was one s1mples side in "the incident" but i gotta say, it seems like freakazoid changed and it seems like he is cool guy
You should do an interview with fancy1 and the banned players from Tyloo with a translator.
hes probly the biggest example of what he self is describing... its kinda hilarious
Freak made good points. Cloud 9 loses and fans everywhere tell them to disband or drop players when they just need more time to work on things
what's freak going to do for a living now? I know he streams every now and then, but how's he going to live?
"They can go from losing out of groups to winning the next tournament."
or vice versa Kappa
no hate. love VP. Just found that funny.
Def the vibe i get from the scene, the goal is to become "pro"... not actually beat the worlds best in cs.
finnish "pro" players do the opposite. they dont care what other ppl think about them, and they still are bad
im really glad i found this, new to CS and was ready to religiously hate on this man before this video
People need to give freak a break. Hes not even bad and hes real asf about his shit he doesnt act like a god and his playstyle keeps him from getting hella kills so chill
and second of all OF COURSE he will say everybody cares about their reputation while he fucked his reputation up completely with flaming s1mple. Im not against freakazoid just pointing it out that he kind of MUST say this to at least make himself a little bit better. By saying this maybe even freakazoid looks on his reputation right now...
I think Freak could be a good coach.
where is the timeline u usually have for these kind of videos. Sry I am just lazy
i think the problem of NA CS is the stream.. cause its ok to lose they get money from streaming like that
It is kind of interesting about this whole VP stay together theme. The thing about eSports that is not touched is that eSport is such a young sport trying to find itself, that it has become alright for teams to almost casually change players just because something is not working out. In big sports football, handball (two sports that I know of at least), changes are made as well. But with only 5 players (and sometimes a coach) in eSports, changes are that much bigger and this seems like something that is not being realized.
EDshot machine
It seems like freakazoid is talking about stanislaw leaving optic
its 2022 and this is still very relevant in the csgo scene today. NA down bad
First thoorin makes videos with regi , now freakazoid??? wtf
thorin loved the last comments, seeing the smug beard stokes was hilarious
Do you think that unbanning the iBP guys could help NA?
1üP ofc why wouldn't it. :P
of course it would most of the Ibp guys dont care about how they look steel dazed are both toxic and swag is just around and doesnt care about anything but his game so yes it would but it wont happen
obviously... Steel, DaZeD, Swag... all three would be absolute gems in the NA scene right now.
AzK has become an Overwatch pro... so I doubt he'll come back, but the other three would definitely shift it up a notch
Surprised I agreed with freakazoid most of the video
Interesting vid. Informative input from Freak
Freakazoid is probably one of the smartest players out there.
Do you think having a real coach with the final say in everything, like in traditional sports, would help with some of these problems?
freakazoid should commentate for ESL or something, or he could be a coach for C9
great video! love the bit at 19:00 about playing with fire
Loved this, nice to hear a NA individual talking about Rugby though. Rugby is an excellent sport for team bonding, it's honestly one of the greatest experiences of my life and I am so glad my dad forced me to play once.