Why is WHITE So Hard To Paint?

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  • Опубликовано: 28 ноя 2024

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  • @padfootgold9206
    @padfootgold9206 3 года назад +203

    Every time..
    “This would look great in white!”
    “I should probably use grays and build up…”
    *grabs pure white and fights the model for an hour*

    • @donalds1083
      @donalds1083 Год назад

      I got directed to this video after literally following that process to a T 🤦‍♂glad I am not the only one!

    • @Lilybun
      @Lilybun Год назад

      Same exact process here

  • @ReynardCalcifius
    @ReynardCalcifius 3 года назад +100

    Bob Ross voice: "Titanium H'white"

  • @alef9674
    @alef9674 3 года назад +23

    In other words, painting eye-catching white as well as black is a classic technical skill. Hard to learn, but much easier to replicate once you become good at it.

  • @PariahRonin
    @PariahRonin 3 года назад +32

    I mean if your building a Slaneesh army - 50 shades of gray would be required reading.

  • @Zumikito
    @Zumikito  3 года назад +10

    Awesome Kitsune miniature with a giant sword is from today's sponsor, Signum Games! www.kickstarter.com/projects/signumgames/kitsute-clan-of-the-scarlet-forest/

  • @Miniaturegeek
    @Miniaturegeek 3 года назад +14

    First video of yours that I've ever seen. Really enjoyed it. I love the idea of taking a picture of the model after priming black so I'm totally going to do that next time I'm getting ready to paint. Awesome video thanks for all the info.

  • @whitescar5027
    @whitescar5027 2 года назад +5

    I have been collecting White Scars since 2015, and have tried many variations on how to paint white. The best option that I came up with is a white matte primer and Ulthuan Grey (which I apply with a quick Dry brush method). White turns out to be very pleasant, not gray, but not dazzling either (as you rightly said, there are no such things in nature). This is my base, after which I start painting the miniature. I have painted various Space Marines, and I can say that white armor is much faster to paint in my way. The video is very interesting and informative. I will definitely try the white AK

    • @EdgarAllanPoon
      @EdgarAllanPoon Год назад +2

      Any chance you have your models posted on the internet anywhere? I'd really like to take a look at them if you don't mind.

  • @1BigSpec
    @1BigSpec 3 года назад +4

    I’ve been mostly using full body acrylic for my white and it has made a huge difference.

  • @Zorvax
    @Zorvax 3 года назад +4

    The first time I opened my Corax White I swore it had gone bad it was so lumpy/chalky, little did I know...
    There's a ton of great info in this video as always! I haven't painted much white yet but I'll definitely be coming back to this when I do.

  • @ashtonaltham28
    @ashtonaltham28 3 года назад +1

    Those space marines look awesome

  • @gomezzara_creative
    @gomezzara_creative 3 года назад +8

    Remember also a great tip from Vince Venturella, it's to use gloss medium to increase the richness of the white. A good mix of a heavy body, ink and a normal white paint is the OVERKILL white you need. Also; Patience is the key of success. Great video as always friend. (Also, i search about 50 shades of grey, what kind of painting skill is BDSM?... oh.. wait... )

    • @gomezzara_creative
      @gomezzara_creative 3 года назад

      Remember also a great tip*

    •  2 года назад

      There are a bunch of BDSM miniatures.

  • @Becooliam
    @Becooliam 3 года назад +6

    Zumikito is 100% right about AK Interactive. I cannot stress enough how GOOD this brand's white paint is. I discovered it about 6 months ago by watching a painting streaming on Twitch and the painter said himself that it wasn't even up for debate. After hours of hard labour with GW white spray can or white paint, it was incredible to get finally a nice and smooth coverage with ease ! I dropped my CSM World Eaters project entirely because of that (I wanted to go for a white and red color scheme) after painting 5 marines because of how time consuming it was but now I picked it up again.
    Another excellent video from you, as always ;)

    • @sovietlongbow4756
      @sovietlongbow4756 3 года назад

      And what about the vallejo one, the vallejo white? Is that usable as well?(no necessarily as good as ak)

  • @RandallAndStrat
    @RandallAndStrat 3 года назад +7

    Perfect timing! I have a white dragon for D&D primed and ready to paint on my desk right now and it's been stressing me out on how to do it.

    • @AgraxGaming
      @AgraxGaming 2 месяца назад

      Have you managed to paint it in those 3 years?

  • @WanderingCelts
    @WanderingCelts 3 года назад +1

    When I paint white, I base grey for matt finish. Vallejo dark stone really makes it pop. Silver for highlights or contrast. Works nicely if you have only one white.
    For Yellow base pink and for red base yellow. Job done.

  • @dougsundseth6904
    @dougsundseth6904 3 года назад +3

    1) Why in the name of all that is holy would you use a black primer for a white miniature? It's like running a 100m race on a track in combat boots. You can do it, but it's difficult and inefficient. If you don't want to use a light primer, at least start with gray. (My preference is currently for zenithal, but that has changed before and might change again.)
    2) Rather than heavy-body artists' acrylics, try artists' fluid acrylics (called "acrylic gouache" by some companies). They have a similar pigment density to the heavy body, but they're about the consistency of hobby acrylics.
    3) There are only three white pigments in common use in paint: Zinc White - Low tinting strength, which can be very useful since it requires much less thinning to get thin layers than other whites, but can also be problematic for coverage in limited numbers of coats; Lead White (also called Flake White or Cremnitz White) - hard to find because of its toxicity when you ingest it (don't eat your paint, people); and Titanium White - very high tinting strength, very high reflectivity, and decent opacity.
    4) Nearly all acrylic paints use titanium dioxide. In order to be white, TiO2 must be ground to a specific grain size to within quite narrow tolerances. There is no difference between pigment grain sizes.
    5) Since (virtually) all hobby white paints use exactly the same pigment, the differences are only in the amount of pigment and the medium in which the pigment is suspended. Pigment is the most expensive part of the paint (though TiO2 is pretty cheap), so it's what gets skimped on when a manufacturer is trying to make cheap paint. Buy the good stuff (whether from a hobby paint company or an artists' paint company).

  • @philipjohnson3114
    @philipjohnson3114 3 года назад +1

    This is great, addressed a lot of the issues I have been having with yellow paint. I know its a different color, but it is so light its the same problems.

  • @DawnOfMutilation
    @DawnOfMutilation 3 года назад +1

    hm.. I got good results with a tip of a friend who is working for a painting manufacturer : a little bit of (LITTLE) of light blue in the white will make it look brighter - combined with a white basing and some very light grey for the recesses works great for me

  • @ThomasGallinari
    @ThomasGallinari 3 года назад +1

    Kimera is pretty good as well, smooth and pretty good coverage

  • @youtousim
    @youtousim 3 года назад +2

    Great topic, as many people struggle with white. I really like Golden's Titanium White which seems very similar to the AK one you showed. Will definitely try the AK one next. Also had good results with ink, and sometimes mix the two when airbrushing. As i feel pure ink sometimes lacks sturdiness when applied through the Airbrush and working with Oil Washes or Contrast Paints afterwards.

    • @stephenchurch1784
      @stephenchurch1784 2 года назад +1

      The trick with inks through an airbrush is low pressure, short bursts and matte medium to kill the gloss if you won't be vanishing. The medium will make it a bit more transparent which actually works in your favor by allowing you to create your gray transitions by hitting less of the model with each layer

  • @AddamsFactory69
    @AddamsFactory69 3 года назад +2

    Words cannot express how perfect your timing is. 😀😀😀

  • @wtfserpico
    @wtfserpico Год назад

    My favorite white is Winsor & Newton Galeria Acrylic Titanium White. Great coverage, easy to thin!

  • @13Robzilla
    @13Robzilla 3 года назад +1

    Just straight crushing it sir! Thank you and please stay safe.

  • @snowball_from_earth
    @snowball_from_earth Год назад

    Interesting! I'm watching a lot of these mini painting videos in preparation for properly trying to paint my first minitaure after exams are done. And this is the same problem I've had with just painting black/white things on paper, because finding the right amount of contrast so it doesn't look mushy grey is hard

  • @AzraelThanatos
    @AzraelThanatos 3 года назад

    Another thing to think about when painting white is the specifics of the white.
    If you're doing something that isn't supposed to have the ethereal or hard white look to it, a better option is to go from an off white. I've got a lot of pseudo-medieval fantasy knights for an army I've been working on where there is a lot of white cloth. I tend to start with a ivory or parchment warm off-white as a base coat, then I use a brown ink wash and work back up with to the base coat and highlight to white or near white depending upon where it is on the figure (The padded coif for example to make the edges of it stick out against the face).
    I also have a cold off white that I work with up to a white for the emblem on the shields.

  • @jaratt85
    @jaratt85 3 года назад

    Fun fact: Testor's Model Paint Acrylic flat white isn't chalky at all and covers really well. I've used it forever and never had issues with it looking chalky, an even better version is their Model Master line which is their premium paint lineup but really just the regular little square bottles you find for doing models work just fine.

  • @FigureFortress
    @FigureFortress 2 года назад

    I'm new to painting minis and my second one I decided to go for white with black lines as cracked armor. Showed it people and everyone was like wow no way your new to this. Now I understand why. :')
    I never seem to pick easy options lol.

  • @dreadpooled
    @dreadpooled 3 года назад +1

    Very informative! I haven't thought about using acrylic inks, thank you for giving the idea.

  • @phil8821
    @phil8821 3 года назад +20

    I rather like painting my white sisters of battle, starting with grey for shadows.
    Yellow on the other hand, is a turd that just keeps smelling.

    • @riotguards
      @riotguards 3 года назад

      try pink, different tones and then airbrush yellow all over it, works the same for orange

    • @MrSJPowell
      @MrSJPowell 3 года назад +2

      Alternatively, use oil paints. Indian Yellow and Cadmium Yellow are both really intense, so if you put it over a light base coat, it looks awesome.

  • @SuperSeel
    @SuperSeel 3 года назад +1

    Love your approach on videos man, very easy to follow. Very well done, I’ve never painted a white model but now I’m gonna give it a shot.

    • @Zumikito
      @Zumikito  3 года назад

      Thank you and good luck!

  • @edwardcote2440
    @edwardcote2440 3 года назад +1

    Man, I thought your space marines looked good, but that kitsune with the greatsword is fantastic.

  • @Itsallover57
    @Itsallover57 2 года назад

    Painting my first ultramarine, feeling im doing pretty well. Got all the bases, just need to paint the shoulder symbols white. Now im here.

  • @trovarion
    @trovarion 3 года назад

    white/yellow fee...I didn't know that :D

  • @FourEyesFive
    @FourEyesFive 3 года назад +2

    The way he says chalky makes me feel tingly

  • @petrinafilip96
    @petrinafilip96 3 года назад +1

    Honestly, light primer and white contrast is probably the best option.

  • @wjbridge4
    @wjbridge4 3 года назад

    Thanks for recommending the AK paint. I’ll try that next.

  • @OneofInfinity.
    @OneofInfinity. 3 года назад +2

    Good training and learning moments when I chose to paint my 28 mm napoleonics with white uniforms.

  • @monnubains6184
    @monnubains6184 3 года назад

    For miniature paints it doesn’t get better than Monument Hobbies Pro Acryl Bold Titanium White. Had someone in our paint club put a few dozen white paints to the test and it beat them all by a decent margin, including a bunch of HBA’s as well. Definitely worth checking out if you can get your hands on it.

  • @violetvulpine5356
    @violetvulpine5356 3 года назад +2

    Woah!!! Where'd you get that first mini? The Kitsune with the two hander?

    • @Zumikito
      @Zumikito  3 года назад

      there is a link in the description, check it out :)

  • @JM-qz4ik
    @JM-qz4ik 2 года назад

    SUPER HELPFUL!!! Thank you for creating this

  • @kenholmes
    @kenholmes 3 года назад +1

    Great content as always!

  • @evanlindsey1100
    @evanlindsey1100 2 года назад

    I really liked the P3 white, it was smooth and flowed beautifully when painted straight out of the pot. Too bad I spilled it and then found that the line is difficult to find certain colors, such as that white.

  • @LoftOfTheUniverse
    @LoftOfTheUniverse 3 года назад

    The thing with greys is that they can really shape how the model feels. Just the slightest purple or green in the grey can take the "white" in an entire direction than envisioned.

  • @nameisbad
    @nameisbad 2 года назад

    Scale 75 scalcolour white is really good too, just thin it a ton, it's gotta really small pigments, so you can thin it to death.

  • @christianvelez4642
    @christianvelez4642 27 дней назад

    I already used black primer and did a coat of drybrushed gray on a figure before I changed my mind I want to paint it white.
    Do I just prime it white on top of those coats or do I remove the paint and start over? Or can I just drybrush on top some white and see how it goes?

  • @RisingApe
    @RisingApe 3 года назад +1

    Great video, I love Golden and Kimera whites but there are lots of great brands out there

  • @jaredbeacher
    @jaredbeacher 3 года назад +2

    This was extremely helpful, awesome tips altogether! I've been battling with this issue, especially using citadel's own white paints. Now I just need to get new model to be painted white and try this out :D (or just make pale albino orks from existing pile of shame)

  • @DefaultProphet
    @DefaultProphet 3 года назад +2

    I got some good titanium white and weirdly found it worse than Army Painter matt white. Just found it never went on smooth regardless of thinning or added medium

  • @mcphadenmike
    @mcphadenmike 2 года назад

    your brother is very talented as well!

  • @chucklamb3496
    @chucklamb3496 3 года назад

    Vallejo makes Black, White, Grey, and Tan primer you can airbrush.

  • @madsl7833
    @madsl7833 3 года назад +1

    Hey, would you be interested in making a video of painting one of your Space Marines step by step? I really would love to see that ^^

    • @Zumikito
      @Zumikito  3 года назад +1

      It's out there - 4 part series for sons of the phoenix white space marines! It's older but still works

  • @mini-danjufo
    @mini-danjufo 3 года назад +2

    Thanks for another great video. I just looked to see if you had a patreon because I love your concise and clear teaching style, just thought I'd let you know in case you hear it from others too, could be worth trying out.

    • @Zumikito
      @Zumikito  3 года назад +1

      oh it is coming! Thank you for your support :)

  • @EdgarAllanPoon
    @EdgarAllanPoon Год назад

    I've been building Thousand Sons and I really want to paint them white with copper trim and I have been absolutely dreading painting them. I'm hoping some of these tops can help me out.

  • @redline3090
    @redline3090 3 года назад +1

    Have you tried Pro-Acyl white paint? I find it has really good coverage and you don't have to thin it out of the pot.

    • @Zumikito
      @Zumikito  3 года назад

      I didn't, but it sounds very similar to the acrylic ink

    • @redline3090
      @redline3090 3 года назад

      @@Zumikito Unlike acrylic ink, which I find dries somewhat shiny, Pro-Acryl paint dries super matte. Thanks for the great video content!

  • @Benry87
    @Benry87 3 года назад

    I always feel like I'm drinking from the well of knowledge watching these videos. You really nail instruction.

  • @lamb3rman740
    @lamb3rman740 3 года назад +1

    What is that sword rabbit miniatur? Amazing! Top Vid Beardbro!

    • @Zumikito
      @Zumikito  3 года назад +1

      Check out the pinned link - it's from Signum Games :)

  • @immi9748
    @immi9748 3 года назад

    painting white over a yellow base color works very well for me.
    i can manage to get brighter withes then when i paint over grey. But need 2-3 layers of white for this.
    maybe the metallic grey i used unter the yellow takes a part to. That what i had under the yellow the first time when i got the idea.

  • @HuntersOA
    @HuntersOA Год назад

    Hello there! Quick question. I am painting a mini where the OG art has limbs made out of... I'd say Ivory or marbled stone with carvings. But painting it white is simply too flat. Most bone guides go really brown-ish that does not convey a good looking ivory made. Any tips how to paint creamy ivory?

    • @HuntersOA
      @HuntersOA Год назад

      Most people simply painted it silver mettalic btw

  • @damianjonsson1688
    @damianjonsson1688 Год назад

    Heavy body whites always work for me. Metallic paints too

  • @lt.branwulfram4794
    @lt.branwulfram4794 3 года назад +1

    This is partly why I started off with Raven Guard, even with the occasional Sergeant, Veteran or Shrike.

  • @saltykrug
    @saltykrug 3 года назад

    Very useful info, thank you! I painted my son's 1st mini white. It is for his D&D character, a white dragon born pally. I struggled and it failed in my eyes. I'll do this on the next one.

  • @silverrain530
    @silverrain530 3 года назад

    The vallejo white has worked well for me but the other problems with white as a color don't change

  • @fullmetalalkami6466
    @fullmetalalkami6466 3 года назад

    Thank god I thought it was just me who struggled with Citadel white - even after priming the minis with light grey you still need about 3 coats

  • @SigurdBraathen
    @SigurdBraathen 2 года назад

    I've read that for oil paint the lighter pigments cover better than dark ones - opposite acrylic.
    I do not know if this is true. ... Is it?!
    Too bad you can't use oil paint for base coats :-/

  • @tedcogley1939
    @tedcogley1939 2 года назад

    Have you tried privateer press white paint I use it and I think the coverage is nice

  • @blaarghwee
    @blaarghwee 3 года назад +1

    Oh nice! Though you hid the brand I recognized the acrylic white as one that's available everywhere around me. Good to know.

    • @Haunted_Gallows
      @Haunted_Gallows 3 года назад

      What brand is it?

    • @blaarghwee
      @blaarghwee 3 года назад

      @@Haunted_Gallows Must be a reason it's obscured and I don't want to cause any trouble. But if you look for "Acrylverf Titaanwit 105" you will find it. It's a Dutch brand though. I think the main point is that it's not the cheap and cheerful paint kind and not quite artists grade either. I use it on all of my terrain. Different beast I know but I enjoy employing these techniques all the same.

    • @Zumikito
      @Zumikito  3 года назад +1

      That is purely a coincidence, there is no reason that it's obscured haha

    • @blaarghwee
      @blaarghwee 3 года назад

      @@Haunted_Gallows Turns out there is no reason. Talens/Amsterdam is the brand.

  • @Zefurion1988
    @Zefurion1988 3 года назад +2

    0:10 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. That bottle is not sealed properly!!

  • @robpaintsminiatures
    @robpaintsminiatures 3 года назад

    What wash would you suggest on too of white though?

  • @travisarthur3250
    @travisarthur3250 2 года назад

    I haven't painted these miniatures for a long time, but back in I think 2nd edition 40k the recommendation was to basecoat lighter colored space marine chapters with skull white, is that not a thing anymore that would help with the white armor color schemes?

  • @spacendeman
    @spacendeman 3 года назад +1

    Amazing video again! White is indeed hard to paint... Painted like 6 units of stormtroopers...

  • @breadfulone
    @breadfulone 3 года назад

    As someone who picked the metallica forgeworld (white/red) for his AdMech troops, I'm grateful for this video

  •  2 года назад

    Oh man, I did all the mistakes with my Loona 3D print. I spent hours covering my nice black/white priming with layers of white. Oh well, learning experience.

  • @musicalDrebin
    @musicalDrebin 2 года назад

    in my experience priming in anything other than black tends to help. like grey seer

  • @LoftOfTheUniverse
    @LoftOfTheUniverse 3 года назад

    What color is your space marine army? What grey did you use to make the white less white?

  • @ancientgear7192
    @ancientgear7192 3 года назад +1

    My favorite color to paint is red. Much easier than white. Even though i have some tau in white. I should have done them in red.

  • @wedontwantwar71
    @wedontwantwar71 3 года назад

    Im doing a grimdark ork ormy with white orks ... white shure is a challange but yellow is still my nemesis

  • @ChuySanchez
    @ChuySanchez 9 месяцев назад

    3:33 how did you paint this shield?

  • @doremicocoparis9410
    @doremicocoparis9410 3 года назад +1

    3:44 I see what you did there

  • @slavcoon3487
    @slavcoon3487 2 года назад

    What is that fox thing from?

  • @RPRsChannel
    @RPRsChannel 3 года назад +1

    Secret Rare Insider Tip:
    Print your minis in white resin if you are going to paint them white.

  • @kosachilles2504
    @kosachilles2504 3 года назад

    Great video!

  • @dennisfoulds3941
    @dennisfoulds3941 3 года назад

    Great tip thanks. Have you ever used Pro Acryl paints? I have and the white is really good. Just a thought. And again keep up the great work.

  • @Skuldan_vasha
    @Skuldan_vasha 3 года назад +1

    3:44 pheeew dodged a bullet... I am glad that I don´t need to buy that book...

  • @michaelspitz9151
    @michaelspitz9151 3 года назад +1

    I heard about heavy body acrylics from EOB, do you have any recommendations they recommended Liquitex.

    • @jayward8943
      @jayward8943 3 года назад

      Liquitex is easy to recommend because it's decent and also seems to be everywhere. An easy way to spot decent brands of artist grade paints is to look for different prices depending on the colour. Titanium White should cost way less than Cadmium Red for example.

    • @michaelspitz9151
      @michaelspitz9151 3 года назад

      @@jayward8943 thanks 🙏

  • @MrSJPowell
    @MrSJPowell 3 года назад

    Yep. The best way to paint white is to use very little actual white. Gray, tan, ivory, pale blue, all of these are excellent places to start for white, and either layer or feather up.

  • @TBudgetAngler
    @TBudgetAngler 3 года назад

    have u ever tried white out liquid

  • @bagger245
    @bagger245 2 года назад

    That's it, I will be just painting grey and highlighting up to white from now on.

  • @StriderZessei
    @StriderZessei 3 года назад

    Thank you for these guides. I'm just getting into mini painting (Marvel Crisis Protocol) and your videos have been the most helpful.
    Would you consider doing a non-metal metallic guide on Thor?

    • @Zumikito
      @Zumikito  3 года назад

      That is great to hear! I already have NMM guide on my channel and I don't wanna limit myself to just 1 miniature in my vids, so I try to keep it general

    • @StriderZessei
      @StriderZessei 3 года назад

      @@Zumikito understandable! Thanks for your response!

  • @greenmario3011
    @greenmario3011 3 года назад

    I never paint white. I just have a pot of light gray that I turn other colors for dry brushing and use inks for everything else.
    I, of course, immediately fuck it up by using yellow which also needs its own dedicated dry brushing color because it is literally brighter than the lightest grey on the market and even white just makes it bland.

  • @forgeofpainting175
    @forgeofpainting175 3 года назад

    Great video as always 👌

  • @KiwiSpartan01
    @KiwiSpartan01 Год назад

    I must've been the lucky few who has decent citadel white paint pots

  • @nobbynobbs8182
    @nobbynobbs8182 3 года назад

    Thanks

  • @Adlehyde.
    @Adlehyde. 3 года назад

    Meanwhile I slather on apothecary white contrast paint and call it a day. Looks great. :D

  • @lasarith2
    @lasarith2 3 года назад

    How did you thin down the heavy body paint.

    • @f0rth3l0v30fchr15t
      @f0rth3l0v30fchr15t 3 года назад

      An acrylic medium. GW make their Lahmian medium, but - being in a GW paint bottle - it's super easy to contaminate. And expensive, especially compared to other acrylic mediums (media? I think mediums in this case) that you can probably find in a local craft store or on Amazon.

  • @loltwest9423
    @loltwest9423 3 года назад

    Was waiting for the 50 Shades of Grey joke and I'm not disappointed.

  • @ckoetael
    @ckoetael 3 года назад +1

    Cool video! From all this, we can make an unambiguous conclusion, you should not paint pure black or white models)) SIGNUM GAMES I remember their miniatire "Kumiko" painted Giraldéz, wonderful models, very bright, interesting and beautiful!

  • @trickish-spark3961
    @trickish-spark3961 Год назад

    I’ve actually had really good luck with ulthuan grey, but Yh every other white/light grey from GW sucks

  • @neutratov-video2991
    @neutratov-video2991 10 месяцев назад

    My favorite bearded RUclips)

  • @elbillar77
    @elbillar77 3 года назад

    White paint is always a pain and airbrushing doesn't make it any better. I have sprayed with my airbrush undiluted, pure white paint and it still comes out watery and it just won't spread evenly no matter what.

  • @albertoajungogomez7405
    @albertoajungogomez7405 3 года назад

    Hey very good video but what is the name or the model of the mini see in the minute 4:37

  • @arnaudbernay4510
    @arnaudbernay4510 3 года назад

    Have you checked out Pro Acryl Titanium White by Monument Hobbies?