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Trying to FIX: Joblot of Faulty PS4 Controllers - PART 4
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- Опубликовано: 13 дек 2019
- Hi, this video series shows me attempting to repair a job lot of faulty PlayStation 4 controllers. I bought 5 of them (+1 part controller) on eBay from the same seller for £70.
This video is part 4.
Remember that this is just for entertainment and I am not an expert in these repairs. The processes in the video may not be the best way, the correct way or the safest way to fix these things.
I do love fault finding and trying to fix broken things so I hope that comes across in this 'Trying to FIX' series.
Many thanks, Vince.
Another interesting controller repair! That cap was most likely a decoupling cap, just to help filter noise and is there to help avoid voltage drop from small current dips. In most cases a cap like this isn't essential - you could just fit a 100nF cap there probably. There are a few reasons to fit them in parallel, it might be that they are different sizes - each will filter certain frequencies depending on its size, or might be that they wanted to double the capacitance, or have a specific capacitance value not available in a single cap. It's probably a case of a 1nF and a 100nF or something.
Sometimes it's also to get a smaller profile and/or to get a more limited parts list during manufacturing (fewer unique parts in BOM).
Perfect explanations Chris. When the SMD cap kit arrives from China I will fit a 100nF one (I am hoping the kit has one). Thank you, I didn't know that different capacitance will filter out different frequencies :-)
@@Mymatevince for basic filtering you will also need resistor and since there is no one near I think this is only decoupling cap.
I would not be surprised if the other one ( inline ) and the one lost is of the same value.
They do Vince, In fact a good example is how capacitors configured with Coils "mostly found in good HiFi speakers" are used to filter out either the Low end, mid range or high end of the sound spectrum" Like wise radios use variable capacitors to filter out All but a small part of the Electromagnetic spectrum where the desired transmission you wish to experience is broadcasted..
Fascinating Vince! Loved this one.
Thank you Steve :-)
Supprised nobody’s replied to this lol. But yeah this was a very interesting fix. I actually thought it was something interesting the motherboard or the battery at first. Would’ve never guessed it was the touch pad. Great fix!!
32:21 I want to go to my space... Haven't hear that in ages!
Hi Vince have been binge watching your channel for the last month so enjoyable and entertaining to watch. Thankyou
Love watching your videos Vince, very relaxing and fun to watch. Cheers from the US.
Bro you Are Amazing person and you are genius...
Love from Pakistan 🇵🇰
Love your videos, you have incredible perseverance! You are one of the people who inspired me to start my own little repair channel. My one PRO TIP to help you that has helped me, anytime you are going to de-solder something with hot air, add leaded solder to it with your soldering iron first, thus lowering the melting point. This allows you to remove it faster and not blow away any other components (I have never done that, lol).
Grettings and yay another video from Vince! :)
Love your channel man. Happy Holidays!!
Can here from part 3. Great follow up video Vince.
This should be the most interesting of all the lot!
Another fantastic video, well done Vince!
As per a lot of the comments below, the caps are probably decoupling caps and should run fine with just 1. If you do replace it (which I hope you do) something like 10 to 100nF will be fine.
Thanks Peter, I have a SMD cap kit coming over from China, when it arrives in January I will see if it has a 100nF and pop it in. Thanks for the comment :-)
both values are there ... for low and high frequency noise filtering
My gosh. People have the courage to say you suck at electronic repair? You've repaired countless Nintendo Switches. Don't listen to them! Keep it up Vince 😀
Good morning Vince, yeah I'm thinking that its just filter capacitors because if not then it would not work at all and they would not be placed in parallel on the same trace .. Nice little fix , possible revisit haha just to see what is it when the parts arrive from eBay i guess
Vince I’d recommend looking up the data sheet for the chip in question, that might give you a hint to why there are two capacitors.
Nice video.
I recently purchased a couple of job-lots of these on ebay. Fixed and kept the 2 best ones for use with my Pi emulator setup, fixed the rest as well as I could, sold them on ebay and broke even on the deal - result! :)
The biggest pain with these is the rubber pads used for the switches vary from model to model, and the 3rd-party spares from ebay and other online spares suppliers can be inferior quality/feel compared to the official part.
Use your ESR meter, If it reads 82 ohms its stuffed. Put 3 kids through uni with the help of an ESR meter and bad caps. Gadget UK gave you a good reason for 2 caps.
not 100% sure why the cap went bad but i do know that if you replace the analog sticks and you don't fully plug the touchpad in when you charge or use the controller it will heat up and not work right and i read online it could wind up bricking the pad if you leave it on too long (i know the first part because i did it but i reopened and re-seated the ribbon cable after i read online that's why my controller was getting hot) so maybe that cap blew because of it being plugged in with the loose ribbon cable, just a thought.
Vince, mate, what is the model of that sweet little PC you have
Hi. That is called a GPD Pocket :-)
@@Mymatevince I'm going to have to look into one, really cool device
I just watched part 3. Good timing :) greeting from The Netherlands.
Yes new video 😁👍
Might want to take a look at DS4 for windows, lets you test more via PC, was helpful when modding a controller for a friend, keep up the cool vids
I would agree with what a lot of the other members here are saying as well. A decoupling or bypass capacitor. More than likely there to keep voltage constant at the IC when there are instantaneous variances from the voltage power source. You're safe to operate without, but they are there for the longevity of the circuit.
Capacitors in parallel: Parallel capacitors simply double the capacitance. Since the whole unit becomes more expensive the more unique components used, you can substitute two capacitors used somewhere else in the BOM to get the required effect. Example, the chip may require ~22uF cap for power filtering, but if you have a 10uF cap used somewhere else on the board, then the two caps in parallel can get you to 20uF without the need to add another part to the bill of materials.
Having both of the SMDs in parallel (I would guess) is to ease the burden on how much current each component has to deal with. The amount of current might exceed what a single component is rated for. It may also mean that a single component would fail sooner because of the increased stress. I'll reiterate that I'm just guessing.
I would think it would be easier to just use one SMD that was larger rather than two smaller ones, but maybe it's cheaper or easier for their manufacturing equipment or some other reason.
If you ever want to test the DualShock 4 touchpad on the PC, there are utilities like DS4Windows, or InputMapper that let you use the DualShock 4 touchpad as a mouse in Windows. They also let your DualShock 4 emulate an Xbox 360 controller so you can play games that natively support the Xbox 360 controller with your DS4.
Hey Vince, I'm having trouble with two of my controllers and I need to know how to replace a reset button on one good working circuit board. I got a heating desolder device too.
Trust your instincts. The heat shown from the capacitor should have given you your answer. As for a replacement, it will be fine with something around 10nF. Looks like a decoupling cap on the power line. Karl
Hi. You can test many functions of controllers in Play room intro. Touchpad, hiroscopes, vibrating motors and even built in speaker.
I just noticed something. When you stop using your hot air, the blower stopped right away. Did you just turn off the machine? If so, that's very bad practice. There is a small hall sensor in the handle. If you place it back into the cradle, it switches off the heater but maintains the blower active until the handset has cooled down enough to switch off. If you just switch off the machine, the extended heat without the blower will damage your hot air station and considerably shorten its lifespan. Unless you cut the video and waited for the blower to stop and resumed, but I didn't notice any cut there. Hope this helps.
I think 2 same value caps in parallel 1/2 the value. You could put 2 large same value caps in parallel, and use your test equipment to see if the value is half? Possibly it handles higher voltage, or heats up less when parallel? I’m just guessing here.
You used 4 pairs of parallel capacitors on the PS3 motherboard repair. _(And I wondered why you said you wanted to use only 3 on the left one, as 3 would mess with the value.)_
Lets see if someone can help me; i have a V1 dualshock 4 that only works connected with an USB, so i tested with another battery and still doesn't work, replaced the conductive film, didn't work, replaced the charging port and its ribbon, same, could the problem be the motherboard? i don't know what to do, it only turns on connected via usb, but as soon as i unplug it immediatly shuts off
I've just watched this and I don't think I it's the chip I think it's the controllers motherboard because I have 2 version 1 controllers and when I've put a version 2 touch pad it won't turn on at all and the same thing with the version 2 putting a version 1 touch pad in and also the plastic pcb that registers the buttons are completely different between version 1 and version 2 but I might be wrong but when I've tried it with my 2 version 1 controllers with my version 2 controller it won't work or do anything untill I unplug the version 1/2 part from the motherboard
I am coming on to this vid to ask for help, I have a working ps4 controller but only the arrow buttons are not responding, upon further inspection I found out the trace to the buttons were scratched, is there any way to link them back? It’s the trace on the plastic that has all the buttons.
I have a feelin on the first gen controller, some one opened it up, and tried refurbishing the touch pad and put the cable in backwards and burned out that capacitor. i've done this myself before and it did the same thing, that same exact capacitor got super hot.
Hey any body knows where can i buy that port in the minute 9:02, for the touch pad just that port, i ve been looking for all the internet but not the same conecting port, any link to buy it. i need to replace one on my shop cause liquid damage make a short on this port. and its completly burned.
Hey Vince great video yet again. Wanted to ask you about your microscope . Do you recommend it. How much was it ect or do you have a link to it at all . If I'm doing trace repairs or component level repairs on things like my laptops tablets or phones ect I have to basically use my phone and zoom in but it loses focus constantly and is really poor clarity . I've had a look at a few but don't really know what I'm looking at and if they're worth the money being asked.
Thanks in advance
Hey Dave, that one was just a cheapy from Amazon (approx. £30-£40). If you type in 'LCD Microscope' you will see it. It is definitely useful for checking boards and components but I haven't properly soldered under it yet. There is very little clearance between the base and the light so I think it wouldn't be the best for soldering. I also bought a more expensive Amscope (£200) which has plenty of clearance but no screen to look at. I am not used to soldering whilst looking through the eye pieces, but I presume I will get used to this with use. A mix of the 2 would be ideal as personally I like looking at the screen rather than bent over looking into the eye pieces. Right now I have very little experience with either of them so I wouldn't know what to recommend. I think with use I will prefer the Amscope for soldering :-)
Hi Dave , if you are looking for a microscope i have one i can send to you. It is the type where you screw the camera on to the lens and plug it into a tv via an HDMI cable,you will need a stand to hold it in. I dont use it as i use the eye peice scopes which are far superior from my point of veiw but are very expensive. But if you are interested just send me your address at uksouth7512@hotmail.com and will send it on to you.All i ask is you reimburse me the postage.
@@Mymatevince thank you Vince. I don't do too many component level repairs but when I do them I would like to be able to look at a monitor and then solder under it . If you're saying that one is not large enough to solder under I will avoid it as I don't want to buy multiple especially as I only do my repairs as a cost saving thing. I'd rather not throw away and repair . With the £200 one does it have any placement for a camera at all that you can buy separately? Oh I also meant to ask you again about your hot air station is it one you would recommend . I still only use a 60w iron with a pencil tip so when it comes to chips I still can't do that part. Every other component is ok but I'd like to up my game on that side of things .
Thanks again
Dave
@@factotum1613 that's really nice of you to offer I will email you later today. Will have to at least let me buy you a drink for it as well as the postage
@Dave ,Thanks for the offer of a drink. Hope you find the scope useful for your needs.I will send the scope registered so you will get it asap.
Good video lol.iv fixed a ps4 today paid 79 pound for a ps4 slim loud fan and over heated .well easy fix stripped and the amount of dust build up on the heat sink was like a filter of dust .well cleaned and gave it new thermal paist lol job was good one .right my next fix is ps3 i turn it in and turns from green to yellow then beebs 3 times. Then cuts off.then ill power it up again and its okay .it plays some games ok but if i put mw3 into the console it gets past the menu and ones it starts the game it just shuts down .mad thing is i can play this ps3 for gours with other games and its ok .iam wondering if its cappasitor as its not over heating .eny ideas if so would be good to now from some one on my level lol. What is the microfering and voltage output on the Tolkien caps please could you let me know thsnks.also i have a idea for the capasitors i could attach wires ie negarive and pos and connect them to a gome made board and could put poly caps on ie ceramic abd the board could be place in a space in the console . i look a lot at your work and your good m8 . ii fix a lot of stuff mostly tvs and its a great hobbie i love and its rewarding lol . subed your channel with a like . chears
Four minutes in, I haven’t seen the rest of the video yet, but from experience since you plugged it in while it was apart and it got recognized I already know the problem is a faulty touchpad. It’s either gone bad or someone put in one that doesn’t belong to that controller. Plugging one in that’s faulty or doesn’t belong causes it to short out and get hot. They are married on the JDM-030 so it’s probably not faulty but just the wrong one. The small ribbon cable is different so it’s shorting to power with the wrong touchpad.
Was just wondering if you fancy a miposaur dinosaur for a video Vince,bought last Xmas for my wee girl off ebay and was supposed to be new and working obviously but never did balance properly,was quite expensive at the time,maybe make a good video as the internals might be interesting?? If ya fancy it let me know and I will gladly send it to you,you fix it and you can do what you like with it,I would just love to see it working tbh,love the vids as always
Hmmmm, I don't normally but that does sound very interesting. They must have Gyroscopes in them or something to keep the balance. If you are UK based could you email me :-) Cheers, Vince :-)
I thought it might make an interesting video,I did look online for reasons why at the time but the only thing I could find was videos of others doing the same thing,it would be a shame to throw away as it seems to be made quite well,my daughter has still played with it but it just didn't live up to her expectations :( il send you an email an get it over to you asap
The hype was worth it
Hello vince, what is the microscope you use. Thanks
@My Mate VINCE interested in this reply as well. Also what rework station do you use?
VINCE there is a tiger Joe tank with controller and a Cannon for the smaller tank on ebay right now. I talked with the seller and he was willing to work with the price. The drive motor is not working. But you could maybe get it working? They are really big tanks with a firing barrel.
I just noticed a bit of the pulley system is missing that spins the barrel.
You should use freeze spray will show you the fault much easier
I have a broken PS4 controller v2 l3 foward dosent work and l2 does l3 forward alsongside l2 itself but when you apply slight pressure down on l3 it fixes itself when you release the pressure it goes back to broken
Anyone know how to fix it?
Edit: It isn't that, but, probably the chip/capacitor/pin (I3) is up above the pads causing it to short or the I2 is above it's pad, Or it is probably a faulty I3 and/or I2
I hope he tests the capacitor to the missing chips ground plane through the ribbon cable
Now to do the PS3 controller that is ridiculously hard to find out in the wild in good to like new condition these days.
YES !!!
my ps4 controller stop working, it doesnt charge even when i changed the mini usb charg station and i tried to check for shorts in the caps no one have one. what could it be?
Battery
What laptop does he use does anyone know ??
Common issue, this almost feel like they are constructed to fail out of warrant. Probably just a smoothing capacitor, no real need to replace it is my guess.
Iv got 3 pa4 controllers if you want to have a look at them 2 camo and one footfall one if you can fix you can keep one if you can you can keep for parts the camo 2 one's. Mike
You need a hand held heat detector like markus fuller!
My mate vince
We have to take your word anyway mate. We can't feel it haha
Well, we *did* see it eventually, with that capacitor acting like a resistor.
Haha, funnily enough I did mention that in the video but I cut it out :-)
Helpful hint: Next time you test a small part (i.e. SMD capacitor) on your tester, put a strip of cellophane tape on it so you can control and find it if it pops off.
Ojala pudieras reparar los dualshock 4 que solo funcionan por usb... A estos les falla el bluetooth al parecer :)
I have both 1 and 2
I wonder when Vince will realize that Game Controller Tester that he used to diagnose Xbox controllers work with Dualshock as well.
You should get one of these microbolometer IR sensors..
here on 1.25mmx2mm resistors.ruclips.net/video/5hXQHaloQg8/видео.html
with somewhat high framerate it's a joy to sense current traces and issues on the fly...
Just a suspicion Vince, with regards to that comment of you thinking there is no chip has me thinking its actually might be one of those chips with a blob of ceramic over it..
When you put my mate Vince In lol i did the same and i comes up with that you are Canadian and earn around £400.000 a year from youtube ads 🤣
You'll probably did that capacitor tomorrow when you step on it barefoot!
when capacitors are placed in parallel they usually are of the same value, UNLESS and I stress Unless one capacitor is an electrolytic or Tag Tantalum for "Power supply smoothing or ripple removal" and the other is to remove static spikes.. you could check the capacitor left in and place another parallel with it. but hey if it works I would just leave it unless now and then you get some strange behaviour which may be due to static build up to which a a match to the one left in circuit should fix the problem..
Thanks for the advice Koala :-)
Why so many fixing vids ?
But still good vids
vince you know more than that creep who slated you!!!
Hey could i pick your brain about a switch error i have. Message me plz
Not bothered if you can't fix or Barack moor thay jest sit in the cupboard doing nothing
I see you google yourself to read negative reviews! Hilarious!!
Does your multimeter have temperature sensing capabilities? If not, it might be worthwhile investing in one that does.
A capacitor can indeed fail and act like a low-value resistor, but capacitors generally let *absolutely no* current through whatsoever (essentially meaning it has an infinite resistance). However, this generally only applies to DC and low-frequency AC/signals; it may actually have a resistance value for high-frequency signals.
The resistance value you got may actually just be a consequence of the chip itself, as the pins all go through a massive maze of micro-components (like transistors), which actually *do* have resistance values (like that transistor you replaced on that boombox).
The capacitor acting like a low-value resistor, however, means that current now has two options for its pathway: the 3 MΩ path through the chip, or the approximately 86 Ω path through the faulty capacitor. And obviously, it’s going to choose the path of least resistance: the faulty capacitor. And that also means that, according to Ohm’s Law (assuming a voltage of 1V; Current = Voltage / Resistance; 1V / 86Ω = 11.6 mA (milliamps))... the pathway lets through 11.6 milliamps.
That doesn’t sound like a lot, but remember that *all* this current passes through a tiny little capacitor (well, *former* capacitor) straight to ground, and it takes the full effect of that current, generating a lot of heat. If the voltage is higher, the current is proportionally higher as well, and that means more heat.
Of course, that assumes that this second pin is the voltage source pin; it may simply be a data pin (in which case the signals will bleed into ground, never going through the ribbon cable if the signal comes from the chip, or never reaches the chip if it comes from the main board). Considering it was heating up a lot though *AND* the device wasn’t recognised by Windows, I believe it was the voltage source pin.
Thanks Operational, I enjoyed reading that :-)
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Get some freeze spray!
Buy a faulty r2 from a gen 1
Nice video my idiot Vince lol!
Could you sequence the DNA in that hair! Chinese hair?
What's up with the whispering? this isn't ASMR!! :-P
Haha, it was quite late at night so I had to keep my voice down :-)
Joblot 🤦
Damn more Adds, Meh I will let em play as I enter in this message.. Oh yeah I dropped a like on this vidz too..
Definitely shorted now. Nothing like adding a liquid to circuit that is energized
Can you please do a face reveal
He already has a lot
@@coreym162 when can you give me a video link
@@KaZi_On_RUclips ruclips.net/video/trFUjOPPutM/видео.html
@@byme8297 thanks
Battery 100% dead and it’s getting warm. That’s a shorted battery
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