Well, I think Demise cursed the very blood he was spilling after being fatally wounded by Link and thus created malice. This substance seems to be able to withstand time and might have lured a power hungry, but not very strong Ganon(dorf) with a promise of power into service as the vessel of it.
@@bastienlafleur5838 that goes along with the theory that the dark interlopers were sheikah defectors who turned against the royal family and created the fused shadow with shadow magic to subjugate the sacred realm to gain control of the triforce, which almost happened had the goddesses not sent the light spirits to stop them. Back when OOT first came out it was stated that the tear on the sheikah eye was added after the sheikah betrayed the royal family however it was never brought up again storywise until Botw where you have sheikah defectors again called the yiga who flip the sheikah sign upside down signifying they have no remorse for the past betrayal perhaps
@@Timberwolf69 Malice was being extracted/filtered at the Ancient Cistern in SS for what it's worth. It's the first appearance of BotW's Malice in the series. Time Travel doesn't preclude it, but significant workmanship/infrastructure seems to have been put into counteracting it by the time SS is born.
@@bastienlafleur5838 That is a good theory and I agree but in oot I think the Sheikah were that advanced but they wouldn't show it because they work in the shadows that is why we don't see any Sheikah aside from Impa and it isn't like they they would show it to link or anyone else aside from their fellow Sheikah that are working on the same projects. I don't think they would even show it to Impa because she is loyal to the royal family and would probably tell the king about their inventions and stuff that they are making.
@@bastienlafleur5838 I understand that and I agree but they could still be making the technology even if they are magic users and the Sheikah tech could have magic infused with it and that is why the kingdom can't figure it out and maybe that is why ganon was able to take over the tech because his magic was stronger. Also we don't know how far Breath of the Wild and Ocarina of Time are away from each other plus we don't entirely know where BotW fits in the timeline.
@@youtubestuff683 If we are to take the Zelda II story seriously as canon to BOTW why would Links blood create malice instead of revive him like it was originally intended.
Another thing that’s interesting about the possible inspiration from Princess Mononoke is from early on in the film when Ashitaka’s arm is cursed being somewhat similar to what we see in the trailer for the sequel with Link’s arm.
Blood of the Hero, quite possibly! I wonder, perhaps too, if it could be the blood of a past Zelda? Especially given his location under the castle....what if it was a deceased princess/queen instead?
@@ironencepersonal9634 I seem to recall Oracle of X being something like that.... a Mindless Ganon resurrection. The only problem is Downfall timeline is 100% about reviving Ganon not Ganondorf.
I always wondered when they were going to refer to that booklet. I usually found it odd with interesting tidbits such as the prince (zelda's brother) wanting to name all royal hylian girls zelda or something after the magician cursed her to sleep forever lol
@@ic3dragons223 All Hylian princesses Zelda in memorial of his sleepy beauty daughter, and the trials the king set up to prove a challenger was a true hero. The plot of Zelda 2.
Yeah there's a few holes with this one. Largest is that in the original LoZ ganon had abandoned his human form and was reduced to ash. Why would Ganondorf's corpse exist still and why wouldn't he be back amongst the living if his minions were actually successful in procuring the blood of the hero
@A B It's a stand alone theory, that is fun to toy with. Throwing out everything you know because it contradicts a theory, that has holes isn't meant to stand tall. SS's Ancient Cistern really counters this theory on it's own. The other hand this theory is less about factuality and more about design thought process.
@A B the original legend of Zelda, Ganondorf doesn't appear. Ganon abandoned that form in OoT downfall time-line. At the end of the NES LoZ he dies and is turned to ash. Assuming that what was said in the video is accurate, how is Ganon's human form back and why is it mummified instead of being fully restored?
I think it is logically sound, despite not very compelling evidence. Those are certainly my best kind of theories. Moreover, it would be cool to see something being purposely added to the downfall timeline once in a while.
I love this theory because it gives the original Zelda and Zelda II significance in the timeline theory. To me I've always thought the Downfall Timeline was a dumping ground for games that Nintendo had a harder time fitting in the other two timelines, with the exception of A Link To The Past, probably one of the top 3 Nintendo games of all time. This theory gives those original games more narrative purpose in the big picture.
The only flaw I see with this theory is that, if Ganon really was resurrected thanks to Zelda 2 Link dying, why isn’t he in a solid form, like you see in that game’s Game Over screen? Why would he be in this incomplete blood form?
@A B Except strangely, they may have been technologically advanced pre-SS, so long before OoT. The sheikah like Impa seemed to have stayed on the surface after Skyloft rose, and the remains of the ancient civilization in Lanayru desert has a lot of ancient technology, even robots.
Actually In skyward sword there was a level with Malice. Why didn't anyone acknowledge this. It was a purple lava waterfall, definitely Malice and you get the crystal there I was surprised seeing it as this game was years before breath of the wild.
Though in TLOZ and Zelda II, there's nothing left of Hyrule (towns, castle, etc). Zelda 2 plays partly in TLOZ's overworld and a huge, new continent. Great video!
I don't know why no Zelda theorists ever mention this, but the loading screen tips say that the Pools of Malice are formed by water tainted with Malice... In other words, that physical goopy substance is _not_ pure Malice. To me its clear that Malice isn't a physical substance, its more of a corruptive evil energy that can take different forms depending on what it interacts with. EDIT: Okay strangely enough, you _did_ mention it off-handedly... I still don't think Malice is blood though.
This made me think, some of your theories are based on "if" scenarios, for example the timeline placement in this theory. Nethertheless, all of your videos still always seem compelling and entertaining and I think that's really cool :)
This is pretty good. I do still think Malice seems to have been around since SS, as the poison purified in the ancient cistern basement or in the depths of the shadow temple of OoT. It is presumably the opposite of Gratitude, gems that can alter the world in positive ways seen in SS and ST. But this malice type of BotW does seem different, and it may be due to a unique circumstance this Ganondorf has went through. Though I do also remember the ALttP manual said the knights of Hyrule had to protect the Sages from waves if Ganons Malice coming from the Sacred Realm. Maybe it's unique to the Ganon who held the full Triforce?
I agree that Malice seems to be present in Skyward Sword. I also observed that Malice behaves similarly to Phazon in Metroid Prime. That Malice has got to be radioactive by the way it affects the environment surrounding it.
One thing you could add in, The Hand has long sharp finger nails, and given the bent backwards angle, that hand could be gripping or piercing the heart of the corpse, mid Indiana Jones Style. I do think you need to question who was out for Link's blood, the monsters or mysterious followers like OoT. The Shrine of Resurrection is essentially introduced in Zelda 2 for me with the enchanted sleep part.
I would say that this makes sense if not for the slight fact that link and zelda will always reincarnate much like demise becomes ganondorf so even if link died he would still end up reincarnating, the timeline is also referred to as the triforce trilogy starting with skyward sword then botw and now totk, skyward sword triforce of power, botw triforce of wisdom, and totk triforce of courage
By the time the game is available, there will be more hours of theories than gameplay
3 года назад+1
I'm new on the Zelda franchise, I've started playing Ocarina of Time and watching Zelda youtubers last week, so far I'm really enjoying it. Keep it up with your great content :)
For BOTW2, I have a feeling they are showing the timeline from how these “hero’s” learned about the prophecy, went to go look to find out if it was actually true, and they found Gannon sealed away and woke him and set the prophecy into stone, and from what we see from the Zelda switch games is Zelda and Link getting ready for the prophetic date they know when the Calamity takes over Hyrule.
Isn’t malice corrupted water? So maybe the monsters are blood, making them “alive” in a way, so they could attack everyone. The rest of the malice that just lies around is water. I think I read the whole water thing in that masterworks book (I suck with names lol)
Loved this fan theory, Nintendo usually goes with something more "normal" than the fan theories, but the fan theories like this are so interesting I wish they were true.
Hey there again rememeber that comment i made bout Feng Shui? thats what malice is. and Feng shui is also Qi lol which by the way still makes sense if it is his blood (since we see it come out of his cheek in TotK) Feng Shui is Life Energy
I can't accept Malice being an "unexplained goop". Just the idea that it might be Link's corrupted blood is far too interesting to ignore. Not only am I going to choose to believe this, but also the idea that Link's spirit is trying to something to prevent Ganondorf's return. For all we know, That could be Link's hand, plunged deep within Ganondorf's chest, forcing him down closer and closer to the depths of the Underworld where he belongs
It makes sense. In age of calamity, the blood of the Yiga foot soldiers is used to revive the blight ganons and make Hallows (champion malice clones). Perhaps we will se malice in this forms on the sequels. Imagine seeing the champions’ corpses reborn using malice and moved as puppets by Ganon. That would be terrifying and not to far off.
Good theory, but one problem... In zelda 1 and 2 ganon didn't have a corporal shape (he wasn't ganondorf) so I have no idea how he could get a gerudo body, maybe with link's blood??...
6:20. As a child playing Zelda 2, Ganon scared the heck out of me as a child. Whenever I heard the low life sound, I'd run. Putting that pic up gave me flashbacks man. lol
I love Zelda theories because my mind is blown every single time I watch them and it makes me actually think more about the series and details in the games.
There is a tip In the loading screen , that says “Pools of Malice: Poisonous bogs formed by water that was sullied during the Great Calamity. Coming into contact with one will hurt you.” I’m not sure if this would make a theory in itself or expand on an existing one, but I found it interesting nonetheless.
Didnt nintendo say not long after the game came.out that it doesnt fall under a specific timeline? That it so far into the future that it under the theory that it at a point where all possible timelines in a way mesh together
Hey there ! Don't think I've ever been that early 😂 I know I already asked you last year (don't know if you remember ahah), but would you be interested in me "officially" translating your videos in French (and making the English subtitles at the same time - this could be done either before or after their release) ? I don't know how many people would benefit from it, but your content is high quality, and it would be so great if foreignerd who doesn't necessarily understand English could watch them too (and French RUclipsrs aren't the best Zelda theorists tbh 😅) ... Let me know if you would be interested, and thanks in advance for your answer 😊
I'm a native spanish speaker and fortunately i understand English very well, but some of my friends who are Zelda fans don't speak English and spanish subtitle could improve it
In the part of that being another links blood i can get used to, but botw is not placed After zelda II, the ruins in game prove it, from ocarina of time references to skyward sword references
Its placement of being after Adventure of Link makes a lot of sense when you remember that the reward for completing all the shrines in Hyrule, which are trials to prepare Link for being the next hero, is a tunic resembling that which was worn by Link in Zelda 1 and 2.
This theory seems sound except for one thing. Nintendo has already stated that BotW takes place 10,000 years after all of the timelines, so it couldn’t possibly take place directly after Zelda II.
But malice was around before the 10,000 years. You know, in the legend that impa tells you when you first see her. That could be a little closer to Zelda 2.
@@hylianchampion8867 That and Joshua Davis is spreading miss information. All we know it is somewhere at the way bottom of the timeline, with no indication of which if even ANY of the timelines it follows. That is the official word, subject to whims of the creators.
What about Zelda’s mom? The yiga clan could have killed her to stop Zelda from learning how to use her powers but maybe also to get blood to revive ganon. She has the blood of the goddess and it would be powerful enough to revive him.
Amazing video, you’re just missing one piece. The fact that the being held by the green hand, IS Link. Or at least, the hero. Look into it, see what you can find 😉
i personally have had blood taken for...reasons(medical) and i can confirm that it can look that shade of purple that is in BotW. add to that fact that if a being is kept alive(for a 1000 years) they will still produce blood if they have the NRG and fuel(food) to do so. TLDR link needs to actually kill Ganondorf and not the blood puppets(btw i know that will cause him to be reborn).
Props for the work put in to make this theory make sense. Gotta love anyone who goes all the way back to the obscure lore in the Adventure of Link instruction manual. Dope video man!
There's actually no "Death" time-line. It's more a "Link fails" time-line which is the child time-line he left behind at the end of OOT when Zelda sent Link to a 3rd time-line before Ganondorf's seidge of Hyrule Castle.
Since you find the tunic of the wild in the forgotten temple, is that where the hero was laid to rest? That would explain the large amount of guardians in the area
i have a follow up, in Demises curse he said " A blood soaked sea of darkness", in BoTW they say " Malice is a type of substance which sullied water during the Great Calamity " what happens irl when you drip a bit of blood into water, it infects the water and also i completely back up this theory because of the Dark Links, they still contain the Blood of The Hero because they are tainted by Ganons power and i have another theory to back this up, Veran, the shadow queen summoned dark links, they were weaker in the second game but they progressed to be as strong as the hero himself, so i say i back this theory up and i love it, it is completely valid! dont underestimate yourself!
I have a theory of my own I think I know where the tomb is in the sequel of breath of the wild is. If you look in creating a champion page 312 it’s about the forgotten temple and the top picture shares some similarities with what the tomb looks like, on that same page it’s says,”The entire area has become unstable due to shifts in earth’s crust.” And then it says “due to the calamity?” If they do go back in time like other theory makers have suggested, when the Hyrule castle rises that could be why the forgotten temple was destroyed. Of course this theory has many flaws but I thought it could be something inserting to run by you.
1. Guys, it's literally Demise's hate. Can we stop this thread? It's just physical form to his hate.. Period. 2. Nintendo already specified BotW's timeline is all of them unified. 3. Ganon (and calamity ganon) are not clever in their nature. As their heart is full on hatred alone. The cunning traits of calamity ganon were shown in his domination of the divine beasts and almost destruction of Hyrule. He is intelligent. 4. His body was malformed because Zelda interrupted his development. 5. Purple is the Japanese equivalent to darkness in the West. It just means evil.
I dig this theory! Having never really seen Zelda II materials, I would never have come up with this one myself, so I love learning new things. I do have a few ideas, though: 1) I buy it as blood, but would consider it more likely that it's Ganon's own blood or ichor. 2) I don't really believe it's a Link's hand, but consider this: It took a LONG time and utter catastrophe for Zelda to awaken her powers and after the Calamity is defeated, she loses contact with the goddess and can no longer hear the sword, so what if that's actually Hylia's hand and she has been struggling to contain the Malice to buy her people time, slowly being dissolved in the process. This dissolution could have led to Zelda's inability to access the powers her mother had once experienced with far greater ease. Simply put, it's not the blood of a hero which has been corrupted, but something far more powerful: the blood of a Goddess. 3) I would place BoTW where it has been suggested: at the end of all timelines. The way Gorons, Rito, and Zora are all present, the constant callbacks, it feels like a multiverse attempting to reform itself into one timeline again (which was utterly botched by Terrako's attempt to undo Hyrule's Terrible Fate). I wonder if perhaps Terrako's new timeline is one too many for that multiverse to handle, and some very painful choices may have to be made in BoTW 2 in order to stabilize the world?
I love this theory!! I think that the hand is pushing malice through Ganon's body. Either to keep the triforce away from him or to keep it from activating. Maybe the triforce senses the blood of the hero and resonates with that. The hand is flushing malice through his body to keep the triforce of power out, so it doesn't recognize Ganon's blood at this point and won't resonate with him.
Malice is a blood substitute in this case I believe. Normally ganon/dorf would have his magic(malice) flowing through him, but due to increased hate and injury its leaking from him in constant.
I feel like this is crazy enough and simple enough to be cannon. The more complex and interconnected and perfect the these theories get the less I feel like the game creators could've come up with them
Dude, I don’t know how you do it, but you create amazing theories! It’s so out of the box of the normal theories that we see all the time! Thank you for making amazing content!
This is definitely worth looking in to, though the idea of the hand being a previous Link seems very loose as the only time one was shown to interact with another was The Hero's Shade appearing as a spirit, seemingly only visible to the Hero of Twilight.
You know a theory is good when you don't wanna believe it at first but going in it starts to make sense just a bit and by the end you're kind of scared of the game the same way you were as a kid. This left me feeling the same way as when I first encountered redeads and dead hand in OOT back in '98. Thanks Bandit 😂
The blood theory is definitely possible. As for the hand draining said malice it could just be a hasty attempt to stop a revival. The malice being drained is to prevent the actual remains of ganon from being brought back and leave him mummified, and in turn said tainted blood could have bits of Ganondorf's power but since his "True" body is still technically alive the other recreations of himself are far more mindless since they aren't true direct incarnations like each Zelda and Link. The malice is Ganondorf's corrupted blood being constantly drained to prevent true revival but still technically counts as ganondorf still being "alive"
I like the blood idea, but I think I lean more towards it being Ganondorf's blood, a final spite as he dies, his malice towards the world. I agree the hand is probably there to stop the flow. Also, Ganondorfs injury does his dying wound from Twilight Princess. Could mean nothing, but thought it was worth pointing out
This is big brain, truly junyus mode. I want to go back in time and tell little Mask with fewer than 200 subscribers that he'd activate junyus mode one day.
This blood angle is pretty convincing... Reminds me of a bit from the Adventure of Link manga (released in the 80s), when Ganon is revived with Zelda's blood and as a result his body breaks down. Obviously not necessarily close to canon, but still!
Botw in the downfall timeline makes total sense just by the presence of the Lynels that are present in this timeline and now we have this Theory who back up this idea more I love it.
On a scale of 1-20, how HYPE are you for the Breath of the Wild Sequel possibly coming this year?
69
20
@@skyphire 420
25
1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 and 1
"Malice is corrupted blood." "Shiekah tech runs on malice."
Do you have ANY idea what you just unleashed upon the internet?
The origins of Bloodborne
Im getting flashbacks to the Guardians concept art and how they apparently pop out of those sheikah pillars
@@lordofspice7087 you get to watch that happen for a few seconds in aoc lol
@@Envy_May yep
Kinda would be a reason for the king of Hyrule to exhile them, eventually creating the Yiga clan
i figure that malice came into existence when demise cast his curse. it was something about a "blood-soaked, sea of darkness" right?
Well, I think Demise cursed the very blood he was spilling after being fatally wounded by Link and thus created malice. This substance seems to be able to withstand time and might have lured a power hungry, but not very strong Ganon(dorf) with a promise of power into service as the vessel of it.
The first time we here of malice relating to ganondorf is TP the sages stated that Ganondorfs hatred became so great it became pure malice.
@@bastienlafleur5838 that goes along with the theory that the dark interlopers were sheikah defectors who turned against the royal family and created the fused shadow with shadow magic to subjugate the sacred realm to gain control of the triforce, which almost happened had the goddesses not sent the light spirits to stop them. Back when OOT first came out it was stated that the tear on the sheikah eye was added after the sheikah betrayed the royal family however it was never brought up again storywise until Botw where you have sheikah defectors again called the yiga who flip the sheikah sign upside down signifying they have no remorse for the past betrayal perhaps
@@bastienlafleur5838
Oh I like this
@@Timberwolf69 Malice was being extracted/filtered at the Ancient Cistern in SS for what it's worth. It's the first appearance of BotW's Malice in the series. Time Travel doesn't preclude it, but significant workmanship/infrastructure seems to have been put into counteracting it by the time SS is born.
I remember calling malice " GANON mash " when i played this game for the first time 2 years ago 😂
Yum
1 part corn starch, 1 part water, 1 part Ganon.
I called it Ganon goo
@@bastienlafleur5838 That is a good theory and I agree but in oot I think the Sheikah were that advanced but they wouldn't show it because they work in the shadows that is why we don't see any Sheikah aside from Impa and it isn't like they they would show it to link or anyone else aside from their fellow Sheikah that are working on the same projects. I don't think they would even show it to Impa because she is loyal to the royal family and would probably tell the king about their inventions and stuff that they are making.
@@bastienlafleur5838 I understand that and I agree but they could still be making the technology even if they are magic users and the Sheikah tech could have magic infused with it and that is why the kingdom can't figure it out and maybe that is why ganon was able to take over the tech because his magic was stronger. Also we don't know how far Breath of the Wild and Ocarina of Time are away from each other plus we don't entirely know where BotW fits in the timeline.
I'm totally in for Malice literally being Ganondorf's blood, not so much about it being Link's.
Cremation is a thing, sooooo...
Or his... y’know... malice...
Yea bc... y would the blood of A hero kill another hero
@@Zx10r4y as he said in the video its the hero's blood that got corrupted by Ganon.
@@youtubestuff683
If we are to take the Zelda II story seriously as canon to BOTW why would Links blood create malice instead of revive him like it was originally intended.
3:14
Deer...GOD!!!
Ok that has to be one of the funniest things in a RUclips video. Like...ever 😂
There's more...
I see you are a man of humour as well
Puns are an art form few appreciate
o.. i just got it...
I never thought of the Forest God as a 'Deer God' lol
Deers are wonderful creatures and it pains me when they are not used in puns. And if puns are not used in general.
Malice is actually the remains of Ganon's dropped ice cream cone, given life by his rage at dropping it.
Hi fam
it does resemble raspberry ice cream, which is very delicious and I too would be upset if dropped it.
true
Thats funny
🤣
Another thing that’s interesting about the possible inspiration from Princess Mononoke is from early on in the film when Ashitaka’s arm is cursed being somewhat similar to what we see in the trailer for the sequel with Link’s arm.
Yeah i think the malice more similarly resembles the boar's corruption then the nightwalker's
Hassan of the Cursed Arm
@@tisg167 same any way where is Dio's mansion im in egypt and can't find it I only see Ganon running at me
"Immidiently after the second game"
Yes, immidiently, 10000 years is just a little break nintendo did
@Brian Cripps no it’s not it’s 10000 years after adventure of link
@The Cool show English is my second language, I was bad two years ago
@@promienodrzutowysamuel790 wrong*
Shudderes*
"if that's true than imagine how much dark beast ganon was made of... now I'm imagining what happens if you popped it like a bubble!
Honestly this makes a lot of sense, and would definitely make what is currently shown of botw2 "a little darker"
Unimportant but I 100% completed botw yesterday!
Congrats!! That's huge!
Nice job
Wow that’s intense grinding to get all of the korok seeds good job.
Dude that's awesome! I did everything but find all those korok seeds.
Awesome! I am at 98 shrines and like 60 korok seeds.
if malice is blood, then that means ganon could feed more than enough vampires.
How much blood did you need to heal your injures?
*IS THAT A JOJO REFERENCE*
After you saying just makes me want a castlevania x loz game
Alucard going for another walk after this.
That's An Overdose
The creator of breath of the wild when he watched princess Mononoke: WRITE THAT DOWN, WRITE THAT DOWN!!
Blood of the Hero, quite possibly! I wonder, perhaps too, if it could be the blood of a past Zelda? Especially given his location under the castle....what if it was a deceased princess/queen instead?
Zelda's mother??
@@ironencepersonal9634 I seem to recall Oracle of X being something like that.... a Mindless Ganon resurrection. The only problem is Downfall timeline is 100% about reviving Ganon not Ganondorf.
I always wondered when they were going to refer to that booklet. I usually found it odd with interesting tidbits such as the prince (zelda's brother) wanting to name all royal hylian girls zelda or something after the magician cursed her to sleep forever lol
@@ic3dragons223 All Hylian princesses Zelda in memorial of his sleepy beauty daughter, and the trials the king set up to prove a challenger was a true hero. The plot of Zelda 2.
I feel like I’m the only one who doesn’t find this theory as convincing as others make it seem
Naw theories lately are grasping at straws
Yeah there's a few holes with this one. Largest is that in the original LoZ ganon had abandoned his human form and was reduced to ash. Why would Ganondorf's corpse exist still and why wouldn't he be back amongst the living if his minions were actually successful in procuring the blood of the hero
@A B It's a stand alone theory, that is fun to toy with. Throwing out everything you know because it contradicts a theory, that has holes isn't meant to stand tall. SS's Ancient Cistern really counters this theory on it's own. The other hand this theory is less about factuality and more about design thought process.
@A B the original legend of Zelda, Ganondorf doesn't appear. Ganon abandoned that form in OoT downfall time-line. At the end of the NES LoZ he dies and is turned to ash. Assuming that what was said in the video is accurate, how is Ganon's human form back and why is it mummified instead of being fully restored?
I think it is logically sound, despite not very compelling evidence. Those are certainly my best kind of theories.
Moreover, it would be cool to see something being purposely added to the downfall timeline once in a while.
I love this theory because it gives the original Zelda and Zelda II significance in the timeline theory. To me I've always thought the Downfall Timeline was a dumping ground for games that Nintendo had a harder time fitting in the other two timelines, with the exception of A Link To The Past, probably one of the top 3 Nintendo games of all time. This theory gives those original games more narrative purpose in the big picture.
The only flaw I see with this theory is that, if Ganon really was resurrected thanks to Zelda 2 Link dying, why isn’t he in a solid form, like you see in that game’s Game Over screen? Why would he be in this incomplete blood form?
@@chainsaw8507 Yeah that’s exactly what I was thinking, and it doesn’t take too long for blood to dry up, which makes this even more complicated.
I literally looked at your channel yesterday for a new theory, this is such a blessing
Wait, an MNB video without Raycon? This can't be!
@A B Except strangely, they may have been technologically advanced pre-SS, so long before OoT. The sheikah like Impa seemed to have stayed on the surface after Skyloft rose, and the remains of the ancient civilization in Lanayru desert has a lot of ancient technology, even robots.
When the theory is so good that you don’t want to comment
When you post a comment before its physically possible to watch the whole video lol
@@sorignhasword3651 based
@@bastienlafleur5838 thats crazy and i love it
@@killyourself6203 do you perhaps mean biased?
@@magicat9705 no i meant based like radical
Actually In skyward sword there was a level with Malice.
Why didn't anyone acknowledge this.
It was a purple lava waterfall, definitely Malice and you get the crystal there
I was surprised seeing it as this game was years before breath of the wild.
Thumbnail change
Original: Corrupted blood?
2nd: Ganon's blood?
Current version: The Hero's blood?
Next thumbnail: ZELDA'S BLOOD!?
@Andres Barquin lol
@@andresbarquin her blood might be light since she has the blood of the goddess
Though in TLOZ and Zelda II, there's nothing left of Hyrule (towns, castle, etc). Zelda 2 plays partly in TLOZ's overworld and a huge, new continent.
Great video!
You had me all the way up to the Link’s blood thing. The rest of it I’m totally on board with.
I don't know why no Zelda theorists ever mention this, but the loading screen tips say that the Pools of Malice are formed by water tainted with Malice... In other words, that physical goopy substance is _not_ pure Malice.
To me its clear that Malice isn't a physical substance, its more of a corruptive evil energy that can take different forms depending on what it interacts with.
EDIT: Okay strangely enough, you _did_ mention it off-handedly... I still don't think Malice is blood though.
If the glowing hand is "Past link" then it would make sence why it looks like links hand glows in the trailer. ya know?
Then why is there some jewelry bracelet? That wouldn't make sense.
And past Link from Zelda 2 is left-hand
This made me think, some of your theories are based on "if" scenarios, for example the timeline placement in this theory. Nethertheless, all of your videos still always seem compelling and entertaining and I think that's really cool :)
This is pretty good. I do still think Malice seems to have been around since SS, as the poison purified in the ancient cistern basement or in the depths of the shadow temple of OoT. It is presumably the opposite of Gratitude, gems that can alter the world in positive ways seen in SS and ST. But this malice type of BotW does seem different, and it may be due to a unique circumstance this Ganondorf has went through. Though I do also remember the ALttP manual said the knights of Hyrule had to protect the Sages from waves if Ganons Malice coming from the Sacred Realm. Maybe it's unique to the Ganon who held the full Triforce?
I agree that Malice seems to be present in Skyward Sword. I also observed that Malice behaves similarly to Phazon in Metroid Prime. That Malice has got to be radioactive by the way it affects the environment surrounding it.
8:15 “The limitless amount of time that Ganon’s minions have…” Umm. Dude. Blood rots. And that assumes that they din’t cremate him.
Malice always reminded me of the symbiote from Spider-Man. Anyone else see that?
One thing you could add in, The Hand has long sharp finger nails, and given the bent backwards angle, that hand could be gripping or piercing the heart of the corpse, mid Indiana Jones Style. I do think you need to question who was out for Link's blood, the monsters or mysterious followers like OoT. The Shrine of Resurrection is essentially introduced in Zelda 2 for me with the enchanted sleep part.
2:04 - who else had Mermaidman yelling inside of your head when you heard this?
Evil!!
Eeeeeeeeevvvvvvvviiiiiiiiiiillllllllllll!!!!!!!!!!
@@donovank.7084 ruclips.net/video/zQ0c4_P2uno/видео.html
Not the first time. Now I can't believe I missed it.
Finally some Zelda II/downfall timeline love! I appreciate the theory. Thanks!
RUclips: 1 view 2 likes
Me: ah yes RUclips doing it's thing again.
I would say that this makes sense if not for the slight fact that link and zelda will always reincarnate much like demise becomes ganondorf so even if link died he would still end up reincarnating, the timeline is also referred to as the triforce trilogy starting with skyward sword then botw and now totk, skyward sword triforce of power, botw triforce of wisdom, and totk triforce of courage
By the time the game is available, there will be more hours of theories than gameplay
I'm new on the Zelda franchise, I've started playing Ocarina of Time and watching Zelda youtubers last week, so far I'm really enjoying it. Keep it up with your great content :)
Fun fact: in Italian translations of the games "malice" is called "the grudge" (il rancore)
Same in french "rancoeur". We also say "malice".
The game wasn't translated in Portuguese, but if they did translate it as "malícia", it would have a double meaning with "smartass-ness".
Ma ciao! Tra l'altro in italiano la scena dove link muore è più tenera, triste e commovente. "Resisti, ti prego non morire!" Ho 😭
@@sohopedeco same as in italian
@@cliziamichielan1704 vero. Però come pronunciano hyrule è da incubo.
Absolutely love your crazy yet sane Bandit Theory! I sorta thought it looked like a heart but as usual I didn't think too much of it.
I’ve always thought malice itself was one of the most interesting things about breath of the wild. Great video as usual.
For BOTW2, I have a feeling they are showing the timeline from how these “hero’s” learned about the prophecy, went to go look to find out if it was actually true, and they found Gannon sealed away and woke him and set the prophecy into stone, and from what we see from the Zelda switch games is Zelda and Link getting ready for the prophetic date they know when the Calamity takes over Hyrule.
Isn’t malice corrupted water? So maybe the monsters are blood, making them “alive” in a way, so they could attack everyone. The rest of the malice that just lies around is water. I think I read the whole water thing in that masterworks book (I suck with names lol)
Blood is water to an extent. Mostly water.
Loved this fan theory, Nintendo usually goes with something more "normal" than the fan theories, but the fan theories like this are so interesting I wish they were true.
Well we learned that it’s not malice, it’s Gloom
Hey there again rememeber that comment i made bout Feng Shui? thats what malice is. and Feng shui is also Qi
lol which by the way still makes sense if it is his blood (since we see it come out of his cheek in TotK) Feng Shui is Life Energy
I can't accept Malice being an "unexplained goop". Just the idea that it might be Link's corrupted blood is far too interesting to ignore. Not only am I going to choose to believe this, but also the idea that Link's spirit is trying to something to prevent Ganondorf's return. For all we know, That could be Link's hand, plunged deep within Ganondorf's chest, forcing him down closer and closer to the depths of the Underworld where he belongs
Thanks a lot, Bandit.
I'm watching this at 1am and won't be able to sleep now
is anyone going to point out that link officaly "beat the game" in zelda two?
Ganon Mashed potatos. That is my new name for malice.
Maybe this is why the master sword gets stronger when near to malace
Bit of both really.
It makes sense. In age of calamity, the blood of the Yiga foot soldiers is used to revive the blight ganons and make Hallows (champion malice clones). Perhaps we will se malice in this forms on the sequels. Imagine seeing the champions’ corpses reborn using malice and moved as puppets by Ganon. That would be terrifying and not to far off.
This did make me go "Ewh"
Good theory, but one problem... In zelda 1 and 2 ganon didn't have a corporal shape (he wasn't ganondorf) so I have no idea how he could get a gerudo body, maybe with link's blood??...
"Matpat from Game Theory has a pretty compelling Theory about this placement"
NINTENDOBLACKCRISISWANTSTOKNOWYOURLOCATION.
Matpat also said in another theory that its at the end of all of them
6:20. As a child playing Zelda 2, Ganon scared the heck out of me as a child. Whenever I heard the low life sound, I'd run. Putting that pic up gave me flashbacks man. lol
"Deer god!" Was the joke that was not supposed to be made
I love Zelda theories because my mind is blown every single time I watch them and it makes me actually think more about the series and details in the games.
Came here as fast as I could! I love this channel ❤️
There is a tip In the loading screen , that says “Pools of Malice: Poisonous bogs formed by water that was sullied during the Great Calamity. Coming into contact with one will hurt you.” I’m not sure if this would make a theory in itself or expand on an existing one, but I found it interesting nonetheless.
He literally mentioned that in the video, and it’s already a well known fact
Saw the title and was just like “damn that sounds cool”
Didnt nintendo say not long after the game came.out that it doesnt fall under a specific timeline? That it so far into the future that it under the theory that it at a point where all possible timelines in a way mesh together
Hey there ! Don't think I've ever been that early 😂
I know I already asked you last year (don't know if you remember ahah), but would you be interested in me "officially" translating your videos in French (and making the English subtitles at the same time - this could be done either before or after their release) ?
I don't know how many people would benefit from it, but your content is high quality, and it would be so great if foreignerd who doesn't necessarily understand English could watch them too (and French RUclipsrs aren't the best Zelda theorists tbh 😅) ...
Let me know if you would be interested, and thanks in advance for your answer 😊
I'm a native spanish speaker and fortunately i understand English very well, but some of my friends who are Zelda fans don't speak English and spanish subtitle could improve it
You cannot write subtitles anymore unfortunately
In the part of that being another links blood i can get used to, but botw is not placed
After zelda II, the ruins in game prove it, from ocarina of time references to skyward sword references
Coronavirus got us tripping we making conspiracy theories now
We have always been making conspiracy theories. It's in the job description.
Its placement of being after Adventure of Link makes a lot of sense when you remember that the reward for completing all the shrines in Hyrule, which are trials to prepare Link for being the next hero, is a tunic resembling that which was worn by Link in Zelda 1 and 2.
could the hand over ganondorfs corps have any correlation with the toilet hand from skyward sword?
Hand: I have no shits to give.
Paper, PLEEAASSEEEE!!!!!!
@@Mrnibbles-nq2zn I wonder what would've happened if I gave it to Karane.
This theory seems sound except for one thing. Nintendo has already stated that BotW takes place 10,000 years after all of the timelines, so it couldn’t possibly take place directly after Zelda II.
But malice was around before the 10,000 years. You know, in the legend that impa tells you when you first see her. That could be a little closer to Zelda 2.
@@hylianchampion8867 That and Joshua Davis is spreading miss information. All we know it is somewhere at the way bottom of the timeline, with no indication of which if even ANY of the timelines it follows. That is the official word, subject to whims of the creators.
I may not subscribe to this theory either, but i am subscribed to your channel 😏
What about Zelda’s mom? The yiga clan could have killed her to stop Zelda from learning how to use her powers but maybe also to get blood to revive ganon. She has the blood of the goddess and it would be powerful enough to revive him.
Kinda like how the imprisoned ate Zelda at the end of skyward sword.
Amazing video, you’re just missing one piece. The fact that the being held by the green hand, IS Link. Or at least, the hero. Look into it, see what you can find 😉
That is a good idea
I think the arm looks feminine though 🧐
Well I'm pretty sure is not cuz if it IS the Hero's hand, then the hand wouldn't have some jewelry bracelet.
@@AnimeIsMeName No, "Ganondorf" IS the hero.
@@crazyplushguy2890 no waya
i personally have had blood taken for...reasons(medical) and i can confirm that it can look that shade of purple that is in BotW. add to that fact that if a being is kept alive(for a 1000 years) they will still produce blood if they have the NRG and fuel(food) to do so.
TLDR link needs to actually kill Ganondorf and not the blood puppets(btw i know that will cause him to be reborn).
I would have liked this explanation/story more than the lore-breaking story TOTK gave.
Props for the work put in to make this theory make sense. Gotta love anyone who goes all the way back to the obscure lore in the Adventure of Link instruction manual. Dope video man!
Please not another "death" timeline. The first one is giving us enough of a headache to work around already. Fun listening to your theories as always.
There's actually no "Death" time-line. It's more a "Link fails" time-line which is the child time-line he left behind at the end of OOT when Zelda sent Link to a 3rd time-line before Ganondorf's seidge of Hyrule Castle.
Since you find the tunic of the wild in the forgotten temple, is that where the hero was laid to rest? That would explain the large amount of guardians in the area
I didn't think of this at all, but it makes so much sense. Thank you for exploring this concept!
i have a follow up, in Demises curse he said " A blood soaked sea of darkness", in BoTW they say " Malice is a type of substance which sullied water during the Great Calamity " what happens irl when you drip a bit of blood into water, it infects the water and also i completely back up this theory because of the Dark Links, they still contain the Blood of The Hero because they are tainted by Ganons power and i have another theory to back this up, Veran, the shadow queen summoned dark links, they were weaker in the second game but they progressed to be as strong as the hero himself, so i say i back this theory up and i love it, it is completely valid! dont underestimate yourself!
I have a theory of my own I think I know where the tomb is in the sequel of breath of the wild is. If you look in creating a champion page 312 it’s about the forgotten temple and the top picture shares some similarities with what the tomb looks like, on that same page it’s says,”The entire area has become unstable due to shifts in earth’s crust.” And then it says “due to the calamity?” If they do go back in time like other theory makers have suggested, when the Hyrule castle rises that could be why the forgotten temple was destroyed. Of course this theory has many flaws but I thought it could be something inserting to run by you.
@@bastienlafleur5838 wow impressive that might actually hold up.
1. Guys, it's literally Demise's hate. Can we stop this thread? It's just physical form to his hate.. Period.
2. Nintendo already specified BotW's timeline is all of them unified.
3. Ganon (and calamity ganon) are not clever in their nature. As their heart is full on hatred alone. The cunning traits of calamity ganon were shown in his domination of the divine beasts and almost destruction of Hyrule. He is intelligent.
4. His body was malformed because Zelda interrupted his development.
5. Purple is the Japanese equivalent to darkness in the West. It just means evil.
I dig this theory! Having never really seen Zelda II materials, I would never have come up with this one myself, so I love learning new things. I do have a few ideas, though:
1) I buy it as blood, but would consider it more likely that it's Ganon's own blood or ichor.
2) I don't really believe it's a Link's hand, but consider this: It took a LONG time and utter catastrophe for Zelda to awaken her powers and after the Calamity is defeated, she loses contact with the goddess and can no longer hear the sword, so what if that's actually Hylia's hand and she has been struggling to contain the Malice to buy her people time, slowly being dissolved in the process. This dissolution could have led to Zelda's inability to access the powers her mother had once experienced with far greater ease. Simply put, it's not the blood of a hero which has been corrupted, but something far more powerful: the blood of a Goddess.
3) I would place BoTW where it has been suggested: at the end of all timelines. The way Gorons, Rito, and Zora are all present, the constant callbacks, it feels like a multiverse attempting to reform itself into one timeline again (which was utterly botched by Terrako's attempt to undo Hyrule's Terrible Fate). I wonder if perhaps Terrako's new timeline is one too many for that multiverse to handle, and some very painful choices may have to be made in BoTW 2 in order to stabilize the world?
I love this theory!! I think that the hand is pushing malice through Ganon's body. Either to keep the triforce away from him or to keep it from activating. Maybe the triforce senses the blood of the hero and resonates with that. The hand is flushing malice through his body to keep the triforce of power out, so it doesn't recognize Ganon's blood at this point and won't resonate with him.
Malice is a blood substitute in this case I believe. Normally ganon/dorf would have his magic(malice) flowing through him, but due to increased hate and injury its leaking from him in constant.
I feel like this is crazy enough and simple enough to be cannon. The more complex and interconnected and perfect the these theories get the less I feel like the game creators could've come up with them
Dude, I don’t know how you do it, but you create amazing theories! It’s so out of the box of the normal theories that we see all the time! Thank you for making amazing content!
This is definitely worth looking in to, though the idea of the hand being a previous Link seems very loose as the only time one was shown to interact with another was The Hero's Shade appearing as a spirit, seemingly only visible to the Hero of Twilight.
Oh wow! I'm impressed! This one is VERY good!
1:45 Talks about Malice being Blood, talks about the Demon Tribe Curse, yet not acknowledgment of “a *blood*-soaked sea of darkness”
Ocarina of Time has Malice underneath Ganon’s Castle, so its not the first time we have seen it.
You know a theory is good when you don't wanna believe it at first but going in it starts to make sense just a bit and by the end you're kind of scared of the game the same way you were as a kid.
This left me feeling the same way as when I first encountered redeads and dead hand in OOT back in '98. Thanks Bandit 😂
Doesn't make sense because botw has a lot of references probably passed down by the peoples who built them in other games
The blood theory is definitely possible. As for the hand draining said malice it could just be a hasty attempt to stop a revival. The malice being drained is to prevent the actual remains of ganon from being brought back and leave him mummified, and in turn said tainted blood could have bits of Ganondorf's power but since his "True" body is still technically alive the other recreations of himself are far more mindless since they aren't true direct incarnations like each Zelda and Link. The malice is Ganondorf's corrupted blood being constantly drained to prevent true revival but still technically counts as ganondorf still being "alive"
Okay question Is malace the same thing as the stuff from mario sunshine?
Future me: No that's the water temple in TOTK.
I like the blood idea, but I think I lean more towards it being Ganondorf's blood, a final spite as he dies, his malice towards the world. I agree the hand is probably there to stop the flow.
Also, Ganondorfs injury does his dying wound from Twilight Princess. Could mean nothing, but thought it was worth pointing out
I used to call malice " weird lava-like thing that spans from ganon"
This is big brain, truly junyus mode. I want to go back in time and tell little Mask with fewer than 200 subscribers that he'd activate junyus mode one day.
I think that you are right watch "Who killed the hero of time (zelda theory)". It back up your hypothesis.
That could also give additional reason as to why the master sword glows whenever around Link as well as near Ganon and his offspring.
This blood angle is pretty convincing... Reminds me of a bit from the Adventure of Link manga (released in the 80s), when Ganon is revived with Zelda's blood and as a result his body breaks down. Obviously not necessarily close to canon, but still!
Botw in the downfall timeline makes total sense just by the presence of the Lynels that are present in this timeline and now we have this Theory who back up this idea more I love it.