Not so. Although you argue that the system was not anarchic by your standard it provided for areas within the total spatium where coercion free interchange and voluntary association flourished.
@@EliW95 failed because it was tiny compared to the powers around it, to establish an anarchist society you need it to be larger than that of the feudal/capitalist society, and its also vital you have elevated material standards and provided proper education so these people dont whiplash and flip back to some other system out of comfort, basic standards and having the skills to rule themselves they would naturally outcompete and sustain their existence and freedom one island would be eaten by imperialist power this is why im a marxist leninist
So what they really mean is Anarchy cant work because hostile governments will snuff them out rather than compete. That makes way more sense. People tend to favor things that work to there advantage. Those who fought to the top in one system prob have no interest in a form of governance that makes everyone equal. In fact one should assume that they would be opposed to the idea of a even playing field for everyone, possibly violently opposed.
The Ranting Hick Well that is the same problems governments face also... there is always going to be a bigger and badder governemnt. Precedent does exist for long term defense of an anarchist society however. Ireland and Jericho each lasted around 9000 years and repelled invasion after invasion - but thats not what i really wanted to talked you about though. Im just curious, want do you think about Hunter Thompson's death? Do you think he was murdered? If so, why?
Asa Jay I go back and forth on that, i wouldnt rule out him killing himself. The timing of it is what bothers me, had he killed himself after releasing the paper he was writing on clinton and a few others i wouldnt have thought twice about it. I personally dont think it was at all like him to not finish something and not put it out if he thought it was important. It was within his character to do so, but not at the time he did it. If that makes sense
The Ranting Hick yeah, seems like I heard he had uncovered something about 911 and was gonna publish something about it before he died. Is that true as far as you know?
Asa Jay yeah, along with some info he had been holding onto for years supposedly. Rumors say he had info on the elites pedophile rings as well. A few people in his circle said he was calling people and saying he was gonna let the cat outta the bag big time. Tho it wasnt a rare occurrence for hunter to call at 4am raving about any number of topics.
The Ranting Hick THATS RIGHT, i had forgot about that.... seems like i do remember he was investigating the Franklin Coverup or something and was trying to prod Larry King into selling him a snuff film or something... hmmmmmm..... crazy bastard.... lol
Love the information and links. Have you encountered any experts on these societies? I'd love to pick their brains on the how and why of these cultures.
Anarchism has never been sought as the annihilation of every sort of hierarchy (“leadership”) but rather, as a world in which all associations with a potential authority are understood as purely volitional (extricable). That is, where a person may choose total dissociation from any sphere of authority unless, in so doing, he violates the natural, basic rights of others. You can be my boss or leader but only if I consent to your authority on the basis of higher and lower wisdom/knowledge and I can break that bond at anytime without your satisfaction. This would rule out the state (positive law) because it necessarily, preemptively undermines disassociation for its very existence. By nature the state rules areas where those not assenting to its power are subject to expropriation (plunder). Realistic anarchism seeks to destroy the state not private associations and social orders which naturally involve teachers and students, bosses and workers who are voluntarily involved for the sake of a given venture, be that for profit or edification.
Anarchism is alive and well and flourishing in the hills of Southeast Asia - a place called Zomia. The book on Zomia: "The Art of Not Being Governed: An Anarchist History of Upland Southeast Asia" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_Not_Being_Governed Zomia is a geographical term coined in 2002 by historian Willem van Schendel of the University of Amsterdam to refer to the huge mass of mainland Southeast Asia that has historically been beyond the control of governments based in the population centers of the lowlands.
I gues badmouse didnt realy explain himself.. I must say good video (Y). But its just almost offensive to "traditional anarchists* to use the word anarchism to describe a free market... and realy in the original sence atleast there is no such thing as anarcho-capitalism.. in the original sence
yes true. There must be some authority to ENFORCE equality. But the question is: is ENFORING something just bad by definition? i mean obviously its not wrong to enforce laws against pedophiles. So howcome is it wrong to ENFORCE equality? If my market value is sky high but i did absolutely fuck all, while a mine workers value is pennys but he works his ass of all his life, what is wrong with ENFORCING the mine worker to get paid according to his labour/contributions?
Not just as bad, but worse. Your narrowly construed understanding of anarchism is actually conducive to totalitarian engineering and the very sort of horrors that characterized 20th century absolutism. Pedophiles can be punished by non state entities and factors. You ancoms are the state in its embryonic form.
Because in forcing the employer through the dictatorship of the proletariat you are setting a precedent which implies the very kind of social order that prevailed in the Soviet Union. If you want that kind order then move to the jungles of the Yucatan and have that utopian society. But don't advocate for a worldwide acceptance of "anarcho" totalitarianism.
Oh gosh, people who call untrammeled human interchange capitalism because an adulterous yid, who never worked a day in his life, decided that was the appropriate designation. Anyone who thinks a free market system has to be described in pejorative terms or is somehow incongruent with human liberty isn't worth taking seriously on any subject whatsoever. You are the state in my book. You are the social engineering spirit which gives rise to every totalitarian epoch.
These examples show that society can function without the familiar forms of centralized athority. But these were all highly undeveloped societies. It is strange that ancaps imagine these societies to be capitalistic when they were fuedalist or pre-fuedalist. The reality is that these societies were so undeveloped that you can project whatever interpretation you want onto them. They highlight that centralized athority has not always been a constant but none of these societies had systamatic non-hiearical systems which could be translated into the modern day. Revolutionary Spain, the Ukraine Free teritory, the EZLN, and Rojava represent examples of actualy developed anarchistic societies with actual planned systems for managing a society in a non athoritarian manner rather than just absence of familiar central athority due to underdevelopement. It is telling that Asa J gave no mention of them because they were all distinctly anti-capitalistic.
You glamorized bolsheviks are so ridiculous. As explained in the video, the Irish modus was the most genuinely progressive and complex society of its time.
Excellent vid, I could not find example online. but all have failed and failed because other governments invading, extreme isolationism, or a dominant power takes over. You need some sort of military for this.
no, you just need a educated population and for them not to be a tiny region, you need a vanguard revolution state to expand enough that educating the people and leaving them to rule themselves will not lead to imperialist powers winning again, i say you would need at least half the planet
@@magnusorn7313 My opinion is irrelevant. History on the other hand, states Communism will never work, its incompatible with human nature. This is fact, not my own opinion. Unfortunately, many cling to dead ideologies that hold the rest of the human race back from further advancement.
@@coolbeans6148 muh human nature, its not human nature to have landlords dude, lmao, its not human nature to have bosses either, its more human nature to earn the full value of your labor
By who's definition? You act like the people who coined the word anarchism could not have had shortcomings with regard to implementation and continuity. You types always believe in evolving ideas and progress except when it comes to what anarchism would look like in practical terms. Spare me the nonsense about property being theft. There is no way to conceive of theft unless you have conceived of and assented to rightfully landed property in the foregoing.
“Capitalism” is a pejorative term coined by a man whose theories have been thoroughly discredited and whose utopian social vision resulted in the totalitarian state and hundreds of millions of deaths in countless places. Untrammeled human interchange is freedom from state interposition in private affairs that creates price signals and profit margins absolutely vital to incentivizing exertion and accelerating efficiency. Calling it “capitalism” is simply childish conformity to academia’s compromised agenda. Anarchism is liberty.
@Joker M aka state property, we only own it because we RENT it from the state "how can it be considered my land(private property) if the government has the ultimate jurisdiction over and can choose what happens to it. example:whether or not I build a house. Capitalism has to be anarchic" the word you are looking for for what you want is personal property relations as a basis for property relations... which is communism
No, I think these examples are quite solid. To hell with your egalitarian utopias and totalitarian "anarchy." Universal sufferage is universal suffering.
@@johnmcguire4635 update a year later fuck the revolution fuck communism fuck all those examples of "Anarchism" I named and fuck industrialism burn it all, don't start over, end fucking civ.
It should be noted that medieval Iceland (and some other examples) were not anarchist but NEARLY anarchist and failed from not being fully anarchist
Excellent work though
Not so. Although you argue that the system was not anarchic by your standard it provided for areas within the total spatium where coercion free interchange and voluntary association flourished.
@@EliW95 failed because it was tiny compared to the powers around it, to establish an anarchist society you need it to be larger than that of the feudal/capitalist society, and its also vital you have elevated material standards and provided proper education so these people dont whiplash and flip back to some other system out of comfort, basic standards and having the skills to rule themselves they would naturally outcompete and sustain their existence and freedom
one island would be eaten by imperialist power
this is why im a marxist leninist
Republic of Cospaia too :)
The law of the Somalis, by Michael Van Notten is an interesting book about 'Xeer'.
Where is Catalonia, Aragon, the Ukrainian Free Territory, Shinmin, and the Zapatista Caracoles?
He's an anarcho-capitalist, those are anarcho-communist/syndicalist
AKA He's not an anarchist, he's a voluntaryist.
Literally fucking shitholes with two hovels and a well.
Wow, talking about success of Anarchism!
Because they are irrelevant that's why. Btw Spain wasn't even anarchist even by 'an' com standards
econfaculty.gmu.edu/bcaplan/spain.htm
Intentionally ignored by the hillbilly.
This is fantastic Asa I will use this to show my mom. We were just talking about Ireland.
You left out Cospaia
GREAT stuff, more people need to see this
So what they really mean is Anarchy cant work because hostile governments will snuff them out rather than compete. That makes way more sense. People tend to favor things that work to there advantage. Those who fought to the top in one system prob have no interest in a form of governance that makes everyone equal. In fact one should assume that they would be opposed to the idea of a even playing field for everyone, possibly violently opposed.
The Ranting Hick Well that is the same problems governments face also... there is always going to be a bigger and badder governemnt. Precedent does exist for long term defense of an anarchist society however. Ireland and Jericho each lasted around 9000 years and repelled invasion after invasion - but thats not what i really wanted to talked you about though. Im just curious, want do you think about Hunter Thompson's death? Do you think he was murdered? If so, why?
Asa Jay I go back and forth on that, i wouldnt rule out him killing himself. The timing of it is what bothers me, had he killed himself after releasing the paper he was writing on clinton and a few others i wouldnt have thought twice about it. I personally dont think it was at all like him to not finish something and not put it out if he thought it was important.
It was within his character to do so, but not at the time he did it. If that makes sense
The Ranting Hick
yeah, seems like I heard he had uncovered something about 911 and was gonna publish something about it before he died. Is that true as far as you know?
Asa Jay yeah, along with some info he had been holding onto for years supposedly. Rumors say he had info on the elites pedophile rings as well. A few people in his circle said he was calling people and saying he was gonna let the cat outta the bag big time. Tho it wasnt a rare occurrence for hunter to call at 4am raving about any number of topics.
The Ranting Hick
THATS RIGHT, i had forgot about that.... seems like i do remember he was investigating the Franklin Coverup or something and was trying to prod Larry King into selling him a snuff film or something... hmmmmmm..... crazy bastard.... lol
Love the information and links. Have you encountered any experts on these societies? I'd love to pick their brains on the how and why of these cultures.
If Anarrchy is without leadership or authority, I don't see how some of these examples are anarchic. They sound more like temporal minarchies.
Anarchism has never been sought as the annihilation of every sort of hierarchy (“leadership”) but rather, as a world in which all associations with a potential authority are understood as purely volitional (extricable). That is, where a person may choose total dissociation from any sphere of authority unless, in so doing, he violates the natural, basic rights of others. You can be my boss or leader but only if I consent to your authority on the basis of higher and lower wisdom/knowledge and I can break that bond at anytime without your satisfaction. This would rule out the state (positive law) because it necessarily, preemptively undermines disassociation for its very existence. By nature the state rules areas where those not assenting to its power are subject to expropriation (plunder). Realistic anarchism seeks to destroy the state not private associations and social orders which naturally involve teachers and students, bosses and workers who are voluntarily involved for the sake of a given venture, be that for profit or edification.
How dare you mispronounce my home town... As always, amazing stuff.
Basic American LMAO!
Thank you for doing this. This information is heavily suppressed. I'm in Tennessee, are you?
Thank you so much!
Anarchism is alive and well and flourishing in the hills of Southeast Asia - a place called Zomia.
The book on Zomia:
"The Art of Not Being Governed: An Anarchist History of Upland Southeast Asia"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_Not_Being_Governed
Zomia is a geographical term coined in 2002 by historian Willem van Schendel of
the University of Amsterdam to refer to the huge mass of mainland Southeast Asia that has historically been beyond the control of governments based in the population centers of the lowlands.
Oh god, An-caps...
I gues badmouse didnt realy explain himself.. I must say good video (Y). But its just almost offensive to "traditional anarchists* to use the word anarchism to describe a free market... and realy in the original sence atleast there is no such thing as anarcho-capitalism.. in the original sence
yes true. There must be some authority to ENFORCE equality. But the question is: is ENFORING something just bad by definition? i mean obviously its not wrong to enforce laws against pedophiles. So howcome is it wrong to ENFORCE equality? If my market value is sky high but i did absolutely fuck all, while a mine workers value is pennys but he works his ass of all his life, what is wrong with ENFORCING the mine worker to get paid according to his labour/contributions?
Not just as bad, but worse. Your narrowly construed understanding of anarchism is actually conducive to totalitarian engineering and the very sort of horrors that characterized 20th century absolutism. Pedophiles can be punished by non state entities and factors. You ancoms are the state in its embryonic form.
Because in forcing the employer through the dictatorship of the proletariat you are setting a precedent which implies the very kind of social order that prevailed in the Soviet Union. If you want that kind order then move to the jungles of the Yucatan and have that utopian society. But don't advocate for a worldwide acceptance of "anarcho" totalitarianism.
Oh gosh, people who call untrammeled human interchange capitalism because an adulterous yid, who never worked a day in his life, decided that was the appropriate designation. Anyone who thinks a free market system has to be described in pejorative terms or is somehow incongruent with human liberty isn't worth taking seriously on any subject whatsoever. You are the state in my book. You are the social engineering spirit which gives rise to every totalitarian epoch.
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These examples show that society can function without the familiar forms of centralized athority. But these were all highly undeveloped societies. It is strange that ancaps imagine these societies to be capitalistic when they were fuedalist or pre-fuedalist. The reality is that these societies were so undeveloped that you can project whatever interpretation you want onto them. They highlight that centralized athority has not always been a constant but none of these societies had systamatic non-hiearical systems which could be translated into the modern day. Revolutionary Spain, the Ukraine Free teritory, the EZLN, and Rojava represent examples of actualy developed anarchistic societies with actual planned systems for managing a society in a non athoritarian manner rather than just absence of familiar central athority due to underdevelopement. It is telling that Asa J gave no mention of them because they were all distinctly anti-capitalistic.
Actually stupid Ireland was the most advanced society in Europe and ALL countries were underdeveloped. Quit worshipping the state and think for once
lol Spain wasn't anarchist even by 'an' com standards
econfaculty.gmu.edu/bcaplan/spain.htm
You glamorized bolsheviks are so ridiculous. As explained in the video, the Irish modus was the most genuinely progressive and complex society of its time.
Good video... such a good video. Anyway you forgot cospaia
Excellent vid, I could not find example online.
but all have failed and failed because other governments invading, extreme isolationism, or a dominant power takes over.
You need some sort of military for this.
no, you just need a educated population and for them not to be a tiny region, you need a vanguard revolution state to expand enough that educating the people and leaving them to rule themselves will not lead to imperialist powers winning again, i say you would need at least half the planet
@@magnusorn7313 would never work, neither will communism.
@@coolbeans6148 yea, that literally was communism, the fact you couldnt tell makes your opinion on how well it would work worth just that much less
@@magnusorn7313 My opinion is irrelevant.
History on the other hand, states Communism will never work, its incompatible with human nature.
This is fact, not my own opinion.
Unfortunately, many cling to dead ideologies that hold the rest of the human race back from further advancement.
@@coolbeans6148 muh human nature, its not human nature to have landlords dude, lmao, its not human nature to have bosses either, its more human nature to earn the full value of your labor
Have you considered learning to read before making videos in which you, you know, only read?
Have you considered that performing fellatio on your father is probably not right?
Don't hate Southerners, they have different rules of pronunciation
But the places you describe have capitalism so that's literally not anarchy by definition.
By who's definition? You act like the people who coined the word anarchism could not have had shortcomings with regard to implementation and continuity. You types always believe in evolving ideas and progress except when it comes to what anarchism would look like in practical terms. Spare me the nonsense about property being theft. There is no way to conceive of theft unless you have conceived of and assented to rightfully landed property in the foregoing.
“Capitalism” is a pejorative term coined by a man whose theories have been thoroughly discredited and whose utopian social vision resulted in the totalitarian state and hundreds of millions of deaths in countless places. Untrammeled human interchange is freedom from state interposition in private affairs that creates price signals and profit margins absolutely vital to incentivizing exertion and accelerating efficiency. Calling it “capitalism” is simply childish conformity to academia’s compromised agenda. Anarchism is liberty.
@@MaximusWolfe private property requires a state
how else does a man own land he does not work
@Joker M without a state land all ownership is either personal or public, no private ownership
@Joker M aka state property, we only own it because we RENT it from the state
"how can it be considered my land(private property) if the government has the ultimate jurisdiction over and can choose what happens to it. example:whether or not I build a house. Capitalism has to be anarchic"
the word you are looking for for what you want is personal property relations as a basis for property relations... which is communism
Not a great example of Anarchism. For a better and more accurate example look towards free territory of Ukraine, revolutionary Catalonia, and rojava
No, I think these examples are quite solid. To hell with your egalitarian utopias and totalitarian "anarchy." Universal sufferage is universal suffering.
"free" ukraine had conscription, gulags and planned economic policies
it was a state by another name
Controlled "leftist" statists presenting themselves as anarchists are like a virus
@@johnmcguire4635 update a year later fuck the revolution fuck communism fuck all those examples of "Anarchism" I named and fuck industrialism burn it all, don't start over, end fucking civ.