Filming with GoPro vs iPhone in a glider cockpit. Magnetic mounts?!
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- Опубликовано: 10 июл 2024
- Camera gear is no good if it's not mounted safely and securely in the glider. I discuss what gear I'm using, how it's mounted, and some really useful mounts to make using cameras while flying, safe and easy.
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00:00 GoPro Mount & SnapLock
01:33 iPhone Mount
01:50 RAM Mounts
02:42 Peak Design Case
03:55 Suction Cup Mounts
04:25 GoPro vs iPhone Comparison
06:12 ZV-1
07:07 Why External Cameras Suck!
08:11 GoPro Example Footage 
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Don't take suction cup devices, it can fall down, we had a really bad incident with that. We banned i totally in our club. Regards from Sweden to the glider world 🙂
I used Stefan Langer's free .STL file to 3D print a GoPro mount. It's a nice design with 3 small suction cups and it keeps the gopro close to the canopy so the weight has less leverage on the cups.
Great tip!
Something I'd like to consider at some stage. Managed to snap a few pics with the phone and a little bit of video footage but it's definitely not ideal. We have Ram mounts in the SZD-50 which is sturdy and easily made compatible with other systems. Will try my quad lock system with these. As for suction cups on the canopy, I definitely don't want to be that guy and end up having the tea and bikkies conversation about finding a new canopy... Without the tea and bikkies..
Hope the spring weather is treating you well Tim, it kicked off nicely last week here in YNRG, bring on the WA state comps in November. So much to learn.
The magnetic mount of the GoPro is a great idea! Wondering if it will distract my IMU sensor of the Larus :D
What could possibly go wrong! 😜
I have a Velcro strap mount I can put on my parachute shoulder harness - if I ever have to bail out I’ll have the best footage going!
Haha that would be epic!
Excellent!!!! Thank you!
You are welcome!
Thank you! I appreciate it a lot :-)
Thanks!
story here, went gliding with my dad (PIC), me as passanger and he installed a gopro on the wing, with a suctian cup, at a little more than a 1000m it fell off, above a (empty) meadow, we landed and searched hours for it and never found it, otherwise it would have given us some epic foutage, we made a report with the local police station but never got something
Yip, never rely on suction cups with altitude changes! The pressure change can make them fall off :) Or just a little spec of dust can make a gap to let the air leak out...
Like the magnet mount. Haven’t seen one of those before
Yeah they work well!
indeed great idea, ordered one directly thanks for the tips ;)@@PureGlide
Glad I could help!@@thekruizenga
Nice scarf.
Thank you for noticing :)
Just as a friendly piece of info: GoPro removed the GPS from the Hero 12, and hides that fact on the specs fairly well. If you need GPS metadata, get the 11 or the Max.
Yeah great point, I can't say I use it, but if you want to add location visuals/speed etc it's critical!
Great video. Do you have suggestions for clubs that want to avoid the suction cups?
Yip, install RAM 1" ball mounts on the panels, and encourage everyone to use them :) Nothing beats something bolted on properly.
@@PureGlide Thanks for your reply! I'll talk to our chief CFI about it
You’re also a phone / camera - mount expert! 😊👍
One more option (similar to the “Peak Design” one) is the “Quad Lock” system designed and made in Australia. Works a bit like the old bayonet mount for camera lenses.
Yeah I keep getting ads for quad lock. Most people prefer the peak design system but it costs a bit more. The ease of getting the phone on/off with one hand is what I like most about the peak design system. Cheers!
@@PureGlide I’m sorry to add to your frustration with quad lock.
I did not know that they are targeting you with ads.
Haha that’s fine, it’s better than stuff I don’t care about at all!
I avoid messing with cameras completely when I fly my glider. I use an Insta360 One X2, and I hit record before take off, and hit stop after landing (in the ideal case). When I fly, I do not want to use my (limited) brain power on anything but flying. The One X2 records everything, and I will play cameraman after the flight. About the _ideal case:_ The One X2 has given me many headaches stopping recording for no good reason _(too hot; too cold; SDcard defragmented; or...???),_ so I still end up babysitting the camera. Sigh...
Great video, btw and *Thanks!* Learnt something again about good mounts!
yeah that's not a bad way to go at all! The only downside is the amount of footage you make, especially at 5k or whatever the 360 cameras shoot at. And I'm flying for 4-5 hours sometimes, so just can't record that much. And many cameras will overheat if left going for that long, at 4k in the sun. So in general I just turn it on when I want to record something OR I think it might get interesting in the next 10 mins. Once recording or off it's easy to ignore it.
Yep, a six hour flight generates about 600GB - but SDcards are soooo cheap these days.. @@PureGlide
@@PureGlide Doing the same thing, just record the important sequences. Otherwise it is to hard to edit and all the hard drive space is expensive... But for safety reasons I do understand not to play too much with the cameras during flight.
@ronaldglider you described exactly my experience with the One X2. I have figured out a few things to get around some of the headaches caused by the One X2.
1. Only using the buttons on the camera to start and stop the recording. I found if I use the app to control the camera I was more likely to get the corrupted formatting problems and recording stopping.
2. To prevent the overheating and get a reliable +8 hours of continuous film, I plug the camera into a power bank, start recording and then remove the battery. The camera will stay on (as long as there is power) and stays much cooler, even in direct sunlight. You just need to remember to stop recording and let the camera save the footage before unplugging.
3. Store the exported 360º footage on youtube for free (as private/unlisted videos). I use a cloud server to export the full 30 minute segments and at least then I can watch them without carrying around disks everywhere.
but "I still end up babysitting the camera. Sigh..." - I feel your pain.
@@the.flying.adventure Good trick about removing the battery! I use the remote to start and stop, as usually I cannot access the camera - that seems to work like the buttons on the camera. The App on the phone is useless - phone overheats too!
Any issues with the compass with magnetic mounts? It looks like Ram doesn’t offer its own MagSafe mount, just something that holds the Apple MagSafe charger (which I don’t need/want).
I would say magsafe isn' strong enough on it's own, it will pop off in turbulence. Thus why I went with the Peak Design cases with the locking mechanism. Nah no problem with the compass for me, mine is at the front of the dashboard. If it was in the panel it might be closer and a problem.
Also keep in mind wireless charging warms up the phone even more, so worth avoiding in the cockpit!
Curious. What settings do you use on your cameras? I have a blue tinted canopy, would have preferred a clear, but the rest of the very low tine Shark 304 MS was perfect. I have raised the white balance that seems to help. Since the blue lets me fly without a hat, I use a dji action 2 on a head strap with a magnetic holder. Stays clear of the canopy when I turn my head.
Hi I just use 4k 25fps for all the footage. The files don't seem to be too huge to handle. You're lucky you can use a head strap! My head is only mm away from the canopy all the time...
@@PureGlide the head strap actually puts the camera just above my eyes on my forehead , so it is below the top of my head. I am 6’ 2” and have the same fit issues as you. Do a google search on dji head strap, you might like it
Cameras are a pain in the arse in my experience, since the suction points fall off on me and stuff. Looking into more sturdy ones out there.
Yip, worth avoiding suction if you can!
I will say the quad lock suction cups are good, but too good. Extremely difficult to remove, especially if they've been on for a while on a "clean" surface. The cup base is like an adhesive silicone and I could see damage caused. I don't like the idea of them coming loose and ending up on the floor pan either. Thinking the go pro on the ram mount will be the shot to capture a bit of my journey.
Our CFI made it very clear he didn't support using a suction cup on the canopy as he said it can fall off at altitude with changes in air pressure. Ever had this issue?
Yip sure have! That's one reason I suggested it's worth avoiding them
Gave up on suction mounts. They almost ALWAYS fall off at some point, especially in wave. Going from teen temperatures to -20 or 25 C is one thing and air pressure drops from around 15 psi to maybe 5 psi at 25000' . The suction cup relies on air pressure to keep it in place! Now have a ram ball mount bolted to the main bulkhead and a series of ram arms that place the camera over my left shoulder.
When recording videos with the iPhone how do you capture audio from ATC?
Hi the speaker for my radio is right beside where I position the camera, and my head. Great so I can hear it, as can the camera, without the need for any cables or 'input' recording from the radio.
If you're lucky enough to own something like a Pilatus B4, there are RAM mounts that you can use on the wingtips. There's an M4 ball that you can screw into the end plate of the wingtip:
ruclips.net/video/EgJm4tn-5-Q/видео.html#t=8m45s
That would be nice!
Some devices (smartphones) have a built-in magnetometer. What is the effect on the magnetometer when you use a magnetic mount ?
I assume magnetic mounts are designed to not affect the phone
I am fine with suction caps. I can give you cheap tips how to choose or increase their strength.
Yeah they can be plenty strong enough, but still a risk especially with air pressure changes with altitude...
@@PureGlide There is the micro fiber-like cap and those are ultra strong, some of them can hold 15 kg for days on uneven surface. The smooth rubber type if applied wet and maybe prespanned the cups with additional layers between the mount and the cup it can hold also so much like the fibered one but on smooth surface.
Also the gopro mounts are very strong and have adjustable power. Those are soft rubber cups not plastic. I have a 360 MAX and the smooth cup holds it even with power bank. I used to struggle with smooth plastic cups but if applied wet they work adequate. But not when outside is 37°C or more.
The way you put those cups on the deck can make a little change too. The mount can face upward and downward too. The torque is much less facing down (the camera is hanging from it).
Although I don't risk putting more weight on them because the deck is expensive. A rough bump can cause cracks.
Idea future content..
Take subscriber for fly ;)
Good idea! I have actually taken a number of subscribers for a fly, but I never film them as I generally don't film when I'm instructing. When I'm responsible for someone else's safety, it just doesn't seem right to be potentially distracted. Also my own glider I've set up carefully with the camera to not get in the way.
Camera on the front panel, facing backwards is always good for first-timers. Press record before hook-up and ignore it.@@PureGlide