I feel she definitely fits her “assassin” role much better now, that is the burst of dmg that we most see for assassins so it makes sense she has it than being a tanky, speedy and durable hero. But ofc will miss her 1 extra dash and insane shield..
DAY 145 OF COMMENTING *BUFF NATALIA!!* (I've been commenting this since October, 31, 2022) Natalia bugs: 1. When Nata's passive is active, layla's enhanced basic attack is still able hit Natalia, even tho her passive is active. Her passive is supposed to counter *locked* skills and *locked* basic attacks 2. Natalia's smoke screen doesn't immune Kimmy's enhanced basic attack! "But Kimmy's Skil 1 is considered a skill" *READ THE SKILL DESCRIPTION AT THE TOP OF KIMMY'S SKILL ONE, IT SAYS "MAGIC BASIC ATTACK" SO NAT SHOULD BE IMMUNE TO IT!* 3. The minions can still see her even tho her passive is active *Seriously did they fix the no exclamation mark bug with Natalia, but they didn't fix the nata minion bug?* *This isn't an Ordinary Comment!* Do you think that Natalia is underperforming? *DO YOU THINK NATALIA NEEDS RECOGNITION?* NATALIA'S COLLECTOR SKIN "Warrioress Paragon" SHOULD BE RELEASED ASAP! BUFF NATALIA!! SILENCE: 0.25S TO 0.4S -*IVE NOTICED THAT NATALIA IS UNABLE TO BURST MOST SQUISHY TARGETS IN THE MID GAME, SO SHE NEEDS AN ATTACK SCALING ON HER PASSIVE!!!* BASE DAMAGE: (+130% Total Physical Attack) => (+125% Total Physical Attack) Base Dmg Before: 200 Base Dmg After: Lvl 1-3 Base dmg: 220 Lvl 4-6 Base dmg: 250 (+30 Attack) Lvl 7-9 Base dmg: 270 (+20 Attack) Lvl 10-12 Base dmg: 290 (+20 Attack) Lvl 13-15 Base dmg: 300 (+10 Attack) -Minus 5% Total Physical Damage on Passive (Nerf) -Base Damage Scaling (Buff) TIME BEFORE SHE GETS EXPOSED: 0.6S TO 0.8S She's horrible asf. Her claw is literally like plastic in the early game! [[[ *When I've switched my main from Hayabusa to Natalia in early 2022, I've was always confidently certain that she would NOT be one of the heroes to get nerfed to the ground, but IG I was wrong* ]]]
finally someone that agress with me while yes all the survivability you lost as Joy is bad you dont gotta bother staying alive when the people trying to kill you are daed
YESS!!!! My journey of asking joy gameplay has completed! Today is the end of day 47 of my journey. Beto, thank you so much for this gameplay. I can now rest...
Btw, its a good trick to keep in mind with Joy: You can stack up on a nearby creep or minion so that you can enter the clash AND IMMEDIATELY cast your ult.
5:33 Yes Beto, you are correct. Hanabi got buffs that made her even better after the revamp, which is faster Skill 2 and Ult, as well as Cc Immunity from ANY SHIELD EFFECTS, not just her skill 1 Also, this is quite Unrelated but Twilight Armor got a passive rework, Sea Halbeard, Dominance Ice, Rose Gold Meteor, Necklace of Durance got buffs
What I like about Joy is that she really is a nuisance during team fights. She can disrupt the hell out of the enemies when they're clumped together and she can easily reach the backline. Plus, the beat of Joy, the music, which I really love. Even with the slight adjustment on her, I could still say that she's still an amazing hero, plus she's more *"bursty"* now.
As you mentioned around the 5mins mark, Joy does fall off greatly in the late game onwards. That's why I've always only used her as a sidelaner, with vengeance and 1 or 2 defensive items. Queen Wings imo is a must since its spell vamp passive also works for magic damage. All that helps her greatly not only against marksmen in the late game but also during the entirety of the game in teamfights. And with her most recent buffs/nerfs? I'm already planning on building her 3 offensive and 3 defensive items, it'll be absolutely nutty.
Arcane Boots Genius Wand/Glowing Wand Concentrated Energy Oracle Holy Crystal/Divine Glaive Bruteforce Breastplate This build seems to be the best all around, in most situations. But now that her shield gain is nerfed, then probably replacing Oracle with Queen's Wings is the right choice.
These adjustments were to resolve that issue her late game now is solid I only build one defensive item either queen's wing or dominance ice and with the new Twilight armor I can use that to avoid getting bursted before I even do my second dash
Beto, a important tip about using hanabi is using her s1 when engaging fights or after you start getting hit, she gets a movement buff, attack speed increase and recently she gets cc immunity from all shield sources, not only her s1. She is a great hero and early game she can counter so many heroes, lesley would be a problem when she goes for berserker's fury as her first item then endless battle + thunder belt. Btw lesely with the build i gave can easily hit 2k true dmg with her passive + S1 combo. She would fit the assassin tip with the dmg she can deal. Since i loved hanabi even before the rework the rework did her well with the extra attack speed + shield. I feel like she still needs her S2 reworked and her ULT get a speed increase. In rest she can even solo karrie if you play her well in 1 vs 1. If you use inspire she can melt any tank with the attack speed build. I would also suggest getting windtalker before golden staff because she has a chance to crit which could be decent dmg early game. Build i would suggest for her is: either attack speed/cc decrease/physical dmg reduction, dhs, corrosive scythe, windtalker, golden staff, brute force breastplate. For items i would suggest going from boots first, then crossbow then dhs. After dhs finish building the corrosive scythe (if the enemies hit to hard get brute force breastplate right after that). The windtalker and golden staff. For emblem i would suggest the one that gives you hp + movement speed once a few seconds since is a solid escaping/engaging option. Also the extra movement speed from windtalker + brute force breastplate go quite well. You could also replace the boots with wind of nature for extra heal + attack speed at full build or sea halberd/athenta's shield/radiat armor/oracle.
Incidentally, that same problem Joy has against late game marksman also makes it easier to use Vengeance efficiently in teamfights, unlike its other users like Thamuz, Belerick, or Gatotkaca. The best time itself is around your 2nd or 3rd dashes, which usually is the time marksman either run from you or man up to you, in which case Vengeance could solve the latter case
Guin was the first hero to help me breach Mythic for the first time. After that, I got accustomed to the gameplay and can now climb with any role or hero.
DAY 145 OF COMMENTING *BUFF NATALIA!!* (I've been commenting this since October, 31, 2022) Natalia bugs: 1. When Nata's passive is active, layla's enhanced basic attack is still able hit Natalia, even tho her passive is active. Her passive is supposed to counter *locked* skills and *locked* basic attacks 2. Natalia's smoke screen doesn't immune Kimmy's enhanced basic attack! "But Kimmy's Skil 1 is considered a skill" *READ THE SKILL DESCRIPTION AT THE TOP OF KIMMY'S SKILL ONE, IT SAYS "MAGIC BASIC ATTACK" SO NAT SHOULD BE IMMUNE TO IT!* 3. The minions can still see her even tho her passive is active *Seriously did they fix the no exclamation mark bug with Natalia, but they didn't fix the nata minion bug?* *This isn't an Ordinary Comment!* Do you think that Natalia is underperforming? *DO YOU THINK NATALIA NEEDS RECOGNITION?* NATALIA'S COLLECTOR SKIN "Warrioress Paragon" SHOULD BE RELEASED ASAP! BUFF NATALIA!! SILENCE: 0.25S TO 0.4S -*IVE NOTICED THAT NATALIA IS UNABLE TO BURST MOST SQUISHY TARGETS IN THE MID GAME, SO SHE NEEDS AN ATTACK SCALING ON HER PASSIVE!!!* BASE DAMAGE: (+130% Total Physical Attack) => (+125% Total Physical Attack) Base Dmg Before: 200 Base Dmg After: Lvl 1-3 Base dmg: 220 Lvl 4-6 Base dmg: 250 (+30 Attack) Lvl 7-9 Base dmg: 270 (+20 Attack) Lvl 10-12 Base dmg: 290 (+20 Attack) Lvl 13-15 Base dmg: 300 (+10 Attack) -Minus 5% Total Physical Damage on Passive (Nerf) -Base Damage Scaling (Buff) TIME BEFORE SHE GETS EXPOSED: 0.6S TO 0.8S She's horrible asf. Her claw is literally like plastic in the early game! [[[ *When I've switched my main from Hayabusa to Natalia in early 2022, I've was always confidently certain that she would NOT be one of the heroes to get nerfed to the ground, but IG I was wrong* ]]]
honestly while people will see the tests in the patch videos of other youtubers as think "ohh slightly less damage Joy is dead!" she is so much better then before because the main reason you had to rely on all that survivability you get from the shield you passive gave you your time to kill is so much faster to the point it doesnt matter
I like the joy with more dashes much better. I used to be able to use a particular build comp which i actually dont see anyone else use. It was so op like even in late game i will not be killed at all. Like they literally cant kill me at all unless i dont have my 2nd skill and its 1v5. She was so op. I wish she still has her 5 dashes....
5:31 after the revamp of hanabi, hanabi is quite scary even in the early game, in my opinion her revamp is like a huge buff on her, she can exchange blows quite well and if not taken care early she can pretty much dominate the game.
i think Joy’s ult and other skills are maximized with concentrated energy, genius wand, & especially the glowing wand since its residual damage is not reduced as opposed to joy’s ultimate having a damage decay. then the remaining item slots can be used to counter enemy’s comp
Here's a few tips for those who wish to play joy more efficiently and better -In late game pre dash once or twice before entering the team fight to be able to cast ult in the middle of the chaos -She is very tanky later on because of her ult extra def+Healing -Her Shield and lifesteal is only accessible if you perfect beat so try your best to get all beats -DONT ENGAGE AGAINST THE ENEMY DPS LATE GAME you will be taken down in seconds -She can screw around against melle heroes due to her being hard to hit -While doing a dash focus on the battlefield instead of the beats because hitting something is more important than getting it perfect -Her movement speed comes from her hitting a creep or hero poking one with your first skill can help you run/chase -Be agressive joy is ONE of the strongest early game characters she will insta burst mm's and mage's no difficulty -Her best spell is vengeance to not be bursted or execute to Ks (Kill secure) -Her best build is a burst build with 1/2 def items Build: Arcane boots Genius wand Ice queen wand (Good for keeping enemies close to you and utility late game) Divine glave Holy crystal Blood wings (You can change items for defense if needed) Best def: Brute force Oracle Queens wings
is glowing wand not good for joy anymore? here is my build arcane boots genius wand glowing wand holy crystal/blood wings divine glave queens wings would you say that IQW is better than glowing wand? also can blood wings replace holy crystal or is holy crystal necessary?
@@Ecko-be4ho Blood wings is a good replacement for more survivability with good damage scaling too Queems wings is especially amazing if you want to be even tankier but at the cost of it's cd having to be up In glowing wands case the reason IQW is considered better is due to it's utility since late game joy will be able to only burst the MM which is sometimes impossible because you get outbursted It's good for damage but if you want a late game utility item IQW will allow you to super slow everyone in a very short amount of time
So as a Joy main, I feel very happy seeing you play her. Although she is usually weaker in the late game, with the right timing and ultimate use, you can easily destroy the enemy team even in the very late game. Her passive makes boots pretty useless to her unless you're jungling ofcourse. She can also basically instant kill any marksman without magic defense items in less than 3 seconds with her ultimate. Joy can also just come in when the enemy team unleashes all their skills during the teamfight and wipe them out. And also, you can go into towers and kill your enemies pretty easily with her new passive. (As long as you are more ahead of the enemy.) Btw, Phoveus isn't really a counter to Joy because of her high mobility, she can just avoid his ultimate with the right timing of her dash. And maybe even waste Phoveus' ultimate. The only counters I know of is Khufra, Franco, Kaja, Minsitthar, and Akai, they can cause Joy immense pain during her dashes.
Joy's ulti immune to control effects while it lasts, why Nana's 2nd skill worked on Betosky at 8:20? I've just come back to play MLBB again and learn how to play Joy. Idk if her ultimate got changed or not compared to Joy with new talent system.
She is probably the nuttiest hero to solo rank with in the history of ML so far. If you manage to master her, it's plausible to reach Mythical Glory with a winrate of 80%+ using only her, even 90% if you're lucky with teammates for the season. The best part is she's usable in 3 roles; EXP (best), mid, and jungle.
Okay I'm pissed!!! I look very forward to seeing your game play and never get notified that you've uploaded and I'm subbed and I gave the 🛎 notification on...not sure why I have to click on RUclips then it shows you have uploaded...I don't like that!! Anyway, love you betosky🥰😘 I hope all is well with you. You are humble and a very consistent uploader and you do actually care about your fans which I love. Make sure your heart and mental health is well my friend shalom.
I learned more about Joy in this video. I usually learn heroes by trying them for a few times but I can't seem to grasped Joy's potential. For me, her damage output is just to weak.
most people who think Joy is weak usually fall into 3 categories 1. people who cant seem to grasp her on beat dash mechanic 2. run into Joy's in either classic or in the lower ranks who arent as experienced with the hero or 3. part of the doom says on youtube comment sections saying (insert small adjustments) will kill (insert) hero
After the adjustment her damage definitely improved and casting her ult is a lot easier and faster. I have tried her and i can burst squishy heroes before even casting my ult. You just need to cast 2nd skill on last beat. the way i do it is to cast it a bit after the "clapping" sound in the background. Headphones are recommended but I don't use them to practice not too relying on them.
Okay so I been maining Joy ever since her “Nerf” or “adjustment” Most use vengeance but NO, I recommend Petrify. You can use it and use your ult to do burst damage to ton of enemies.
I think that the Tweeks on joy are made to make her fit her assassin role better, now she really packs a punch, while also being less tanky then her old self, but beto said it right, she works better with specific team comps, i one time played vs a Franco, who kept saving his ult just for me, the team took notice and just glued themselves to him, practically made me completely useless.
Joy is still OP, but in higher ranks, she might have a harder time compared other exp-laners or junglers simply because she cannot fare well against a well drafted team composed of solid or even META Heroes. I want to request to try Esmeralda, I rarely see her picked right now especially when Alice just got really good and a lot of heroes like Fredrinn, Melissa, and many more heroes that were once just ok/solid/good, is now meta are getting more popular Edit: Other than the usual joy counters like Minsithar, Khufra, Franco, Kaja, and Phoveus. I also still remember, that in the mid to late game, a good Esmeralda or Alice player (with magic defense items) can actually be a good soft counter to Joy because they can suck the life out of joy (or shield with Esmeralda), like Chou, Joy relies on skills in order to be effective and it's not full continuous damage like a typical marksman
Melissa and Wanwan are other "secret counters" to Joy. Melissa's ult can mess her dash up, and Wanwan is hard to hit, on top of Joy being an easy target for her ult stacks.
betosky, u can fix that super late game enemy dps bursting you down because you can't complete the timed dashes by using the 2nd skill on a nearby creep near the teamfight twice, then use first skill as an extender for your second skill, then lastly, u can aim the last timed dash anywhere and then u can do significant amount of damage to the main DPS without highly risking yourself of dying, you can just retreat after either killing main DPS or just doing significant dmg to the main DPS
DAY 145 OF COMMENTING *BUFF NATALIA!!* (I've been commenting this since October, 31, 2022) Natalia bugs: 1. When Nata's passive is active, layla's enhanced basic attack is still able hit Natalia, even tho her passive is active. Her passive is supposed to counter *locked* skills and *locked* basic attacks 2. Natalia's smoke screen doesn't immune Kimmy's enhanced basic attack! "But Kimmy's Skil 1 is considered a skill" *READ THE SKILL DESCRIPTION AT THE TOP OF KIMMY'S SKILL ONE, IT SAYS "MAGIC BASIC ATTACK" SO NAT SHOULD BE IMMUNE TO IT!* 3. The minions can still see her even tho her passive is active *Seriously did they fix the no exclamation mark bug with Natalia, but they didn't fix the nata minion bug?* *This isn't an Ordinary Comment!* Do you think that Natalia is underperforming? *DO YOU THINK NATALIA NEEDS RECOGNITION?* NATALIA'S COLLECTOR SKIN "Warrioress Paragon" SHOULD BE RELEASED ASAP! BUFF NATALIA!! SILENCE: 0.25S TO 0.4S -*IVE NOTICED THAT NATALIA IS UNABLE TO BURST MOST SQUISHY TARGETS IN THE MID GAME, SO SHE NEEDS AN ATTACK SCALING ON HER PASSIVE!!!* BASE DAMAGE: (+130% Total Physical Attack) => (+125% Total Physical Attack) Base Dmg Before: 200 Base Dmg After: Lvl 1-3 Base dmg: 220 Lvl 4-6 Base dmg: 250 (+30 Attack) Lvl 7-9 Base dmg: 270 (+20 Attack) Lvl 10-12 Base dmg: 290 (+20 Attack) Lvl 13-15 Base dmg: 300 (+10 Attack) -Minus 5% Total Physical Damage on Passive (Nerf) -Base Damage Scaling (Buff) TIME BEFORE SHE GETS EXPOSED: 0.6S TO 0.8S She's horrible asf. Her claw is literally like plastic in the early game! [[[ *When I've switched my main from Hayabusa to Natalia in early 2022, I've was always confidently certain that she would NOT be one of the heroes to get nerfed to the ground, but IG I was wrong* ]]]
Seeing Betosky spam her dash on the buff hurts my eyes lmao. Landing the perfect beat gives you double damage and upgrades the ults damage and lifesteal by a giant amount
so true when he used his ult to clear the blue buff when theres a teamfight/small clash he could turn the tides of is on the map is also equally painful
After watching this vid I realized, moonton should give some buffs for Phoveus like, slightly increase the sheild or increase the scaling on magic power. Edit: After playing around with Phoveus, I change my mind on "increase on magic scaling". Slightly faster 3rd skill animation would be nice and also, longer immunity during 3rd skill animation would be great.
She is op, but for its extremely hard to deal damage during tense moments. And she gets stun too easily, and bsically ur ded coz your dash is canceled. She’s fun but she sucks
Hanabi didn't receive any buff yet, all they did was to make some adjustments to her 1st skill that gives shield, now other players seemed to spam Aegis while using her it's truly annoying.
Me who uses Joy as sidelane with only Genius Wand as Offensive Item, excluding the Boots, and 4 Defensive Items and Vengeance as the Battle Spell . She still deal lots of damage and too tanky to be bursted.. Heck, she can tower-dive and still come out alive... most of the time
People saying that shes gonna be out of meta bc of her new adjustments but it purely made her more better now lol , she is used much moe frequently than before
If opponent pick buff dependent hero like fanny ling hiyabusa then joy is a good pick. She can steal the buff in a flash. Also a hybrid build with 2 defense iteam and vengeance she is quite good as exp.
Hello beto i would really like if you could show some tutorials regarding binding ML account with moonton or how to solve can’t create moonton account Not only me even most of your fans will really love it
Would you please make another video on her current state? I only have about 300 games so I dont know about being a dedicated Joy main. But shes so weak and is heavily outclasses by other assassins and mages..
I noticed a shadow nerf on her 2nd skill, back then you dont need to hit a target at the last 2nd skill beat to activate ulti but now you need to hit something
Phoveus mechanics definitely counter dash heroes...but personally, I think if you know what you're doing Phoveus is just a Tanky hero following you around when u dash..that's it..his damage is meh and if you drag him towards your turret or teammates with CCs he's just useless..that's why in the pro scenes even if all the heroes has tons of dashes he doesn't even get picked anymore.
I feel she definitely fits her “assassin” role much better now, that is the burst of dmg that we most see for assassins so it makes sense she has it than being a tanky, speedy and durable hero. But ofc will miss her 1 extra dash and insane shield..
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heyy isoya , out of context , but have you noticed that his " big project" post is deleted ?
DAY 145 OF COMMENTING *BUFF NATALIA!!*
(I've been commenting this since October, 31, 2022)
Natalia bugs:
1. When Nata's passive is active, layla's enhanced basic attack is still able hit Natalia, even tho her passive is active. Her passive is supposed to counter *locked* skills and *locked* basic attacks
2. Natalia's smoke screen doesn't immune Kimmy's enhanced basic attack!
"But Kimmy's Skil 1 is considered a skill"
*READ THE SKILL DESCRIPTION AT THE TOP OF KIMMY'S SKILL ONE, IT SAYS "MAGIC BASIC ATTACK" SO NAT SHOULD BE IMMUNE TO IT!*
3. The minions can still see her even tho her passive is active
*Seriously did they fix the no exclamation mark bug with Natalia, but they didn't fix the nata minion bug?*
*This isn't an Ordinary Comment!*
Do you think that Natalia is underperforming?
*DO YOU THINK NATALIA NEEDS RECOGNITION?*
NATALIA'S COLLECTOR SKIN "Warrioress Paragon" SHOULD BE RELEASED ASAP!
BUFF NATALIA!!
SILENCE: 0.25S TO 0.4S
-*IVE NOTICED THAT NATALIA IS UNABLE TO BURST MOST SQUISHY TARGETS IN THE MID GAME, SO SHE NEEDS AN ATTACK SCALING ON HER PASSIVE!!!*
BASE DAMAGE: (+130% Total Physical Attack) => (+125% Total Physical Attack)
Base Dmg Before: 200
Base Dmg After:
Lvl 1-3 Base dmg: 220
Lvl 4-6 Base dmg: 250 (+30 Attack)
Lvl 7-9 Base dmg: 270 (+20 Attack)
Lvl 10-12 Base dmg: 290 (+20 Attack)
Lvl 13-15 Base dmg: 300 (+10 Attack)
-Minus 5% Total Physical Damage on Passive (Nerf)
-Base Damage Scaling (Buff)
TIME BEFORE SHE GETS EXPOSED: 0.6S TO 0.8S
She's horrible asf. Her claw is literally like plastic in the early game!
[[[ *When I've switched my main from Hayabusa to Natalia in early 2022, I've was always confidently certain that she would NOT be one of the heroes to get nerfed to the ground, but IG I was wrong* ]]]
@@haappy9331 i never seen it? Was it recent? Betosky’s?
finally someone that agress with me while yes all the survivability you lost as Joy is bad you dont gotta bother staying alive when the people trying to kill you are daed
YESS!!!! My journey of asking joy gameplay has completed! Today is the end of day 47 of my journey. Beto, thank you so much for this gameplay. I can now rest...
Btw, its a good trick to keep in mind with Joy: You can stack up on a nearby creep or minion so that you can enter the clash AND IMMEDIATELY cast your ult.
Same with Fred
Another trick that I find useful is farming with joy now is actually faster wih her skill 1 thanks to the new passive.
@@jordanthierykurniawan6806 no skill 2 is still faster
5:33 Yes Beto, you are correct. Hanabi got buffs that made her even better after the revamp, which is faster Skill 2 and Ult, as well as Cc Immunity from ANY SHIELD EFFECTS, not just her skill 1
Also, this is quite Unrelated but Twilight Armor got a passive rework, Sea Halbeard, Dominance Ice, Rose Gold Meteor, Necklace of Durance got buffs
What specifically was the buff for dominance ice
edit:?
@@nnifee now, the atack speed reduction is calculated after all the bonus, so, it can counter better the marskmen
@@tomate_4f91 ah I see,so that's why I couldn’t do anything because I ulted before the enemy tank with edith
What I like about Joy is that she really is a nuisance during team fights. She can disrupt the hell out of the enemies when they're clumped together and she can easily reach the backline. Plus, the beat of Joy, the music, which I really love. Even with the slight adjustment on her, I could still say that she's still an amazing hero, plus she's more *"bursty"* now.
At first i read 'busty' and i was like wtf? And then i read back and relieved it is 'bursty'. Fuck my eyes and brains.
@@ashokkumar-zw8vi Oh hahahahaha 🤣
At this point moontoon hates joy they even made her song night core
As you mentioned around the 5mins mark, Joy does fall off greatly in the late game onwards. That's why I've always only used her as a sidelaner, with vengeance and 1 or 2 defensive items. Queen Wings imo is a must since its spell vamp passive also works for magic damage. All that helps her greatly not only against marksmen in the late game but also during the entirety of the game in teamfights. And with her most recent buffs/nerfs? I'm already planning on building her 3 offensive and 3 defensive items, it'll be absolutely nutty.
Hey man, mind showing your build? I might use it too since I'm also a Joy main!
By the latest adjustment
Her ult grants her physical & magic defense by using magic power items
Arcane Boots
Genius Wand/Glowing Wand
Concentrated Energy
Oracle
Holy Crystal/Divine Glaive
Bruteforce Breastplate
This build seems to be the best all around, in most situations. But now that her shield gain is nerfed, then probably replacing Oracle with Queen's Wings is the right choice.
How can u build three def item ?
These adjustments were to resolve that issue her late game now is solid I only build one defensive item either queen's wing or dominance ice and with the new Twilight armor I can use that to avoid getting bursted before I even do my second dash
Beto, a important tip about using hanabi is using her s1 when engaging fights or after you start getting hit, she gets a movement buff, attack speed increase and recently she gets cc immunity from all shield sources, not only her s1. She is a great hero and early game she can counter so many heroes, lesley would be a problem when she goes for berserker's fury as her first item then endless battle + thunder belt. Btw lesely with the build i gave can easily hit 2k true dmg with her passive + S1 combo. She would fit the assassin tip with the dmg she can deal.
Since i loved hanabi even before the rework the rework did her well with the extra attack speed + shield. I feel like she still needs her S2 reworked and her ULT get a speed increase. In rest she can even solo karrie if you play her well in 1 vs 1. If you use inspire she can melt any tank with the attack speed build. I would also suggest getting windtalker before golden staff because she has a chance to crit which could be decent dmg early game. Build i would suggest for her is: either attack speed/cc decrease/physical dmg reduction, dhs, corrosive scythe, windtalker, golden staff, brute force breastplate. For items i would suggest going from boots first, then crossbow then dhs. After dhs finish building the corrosive scythe (if the enemies hit to hard get brute force breastplate right after that). The windtalker and golden staff. For emblem i would suggest the one that gives you hp + movement speed once a few seconds since is a solid escaping/engaging option. Also the extra movement speed from windtalker + brute force breastplate go quite well. You could also replace the boots with wind of nature for extra heal + attack speed at full build or sea halberd/athenta's shield/radiat armor/oracle.
Joy is strong from early to mid but at late game she can easily get burst down by a marksman that's why I always pick the spell vengeance
Incidentally, that same problem Joy has against late game marksman also makes it easier to use Vengeance efficiently in teamfights, unlike its other users like Thamuz, Belerick, or Gatotkaca. The best time itself is around your 2nd or 3rd dashes, which usually is the time marksman either run from you or man up to you, in which case Vengeance could solve the latter case
@@youagain8447 that's why I don't often play Joy as the jungler of the team because vengeance suits her better.
The potential of joy will decrease dratically without vengeance, but sometimes you can use the new healing spell
So execute a joke for joy? Or is it for early game?
Well Joy for me RN actually shuts down late game mm relatively easily since the new patch. Unless they get magic burst shield
She's the reason I reach mythic rank tbh i like her a lot.
Guin was the first hero to help me breach Mythic for the first time. After that, I got accustomed to the gameplay and can now climb with any role or hero.
14:46 "but not absolutely insane to the point of being perma-banned"
Arlott : 😭😭😭
The Joy of being able to pick Joy is Joyful
W comment
But the joy when against an enemy joy is not joyful
Real
DAY 145 OF COMMENTING *BUFF NATALIA!!*
(I've been commenting this since October, 31, 2022)
Natalia bugs:
1. When Nata's passive is active, layla's enhanced basic attack is still able hit Natalia, even tho her passive is active. Her passive is supposed to counter *locked* skills and *locked* basic attacks
2. Natalia's smoke screen doesn't immune Kimmy's enhanced basic attack!
"But Kimmy's Skil 1 is considered a skill"
*READ THE SKILL DESCRIPTION AT THE TOP OF KIMMY'S SKILL ONE, IT SAYS "MAGIC BASIC ATTACK" SO NAT SHOULD BE IMMUNE TO IT!*
3. The minions can still see her even tho her passive is active
*Seriously did they fix the no exclamation mark bug with Natalia, but they didn't fix the nata minion bug?*
*This isn't an Ordinary Comment!*
Do you think that Natalia is underperforming?
*DO YOU THINK NATALIA NEEDS RECOGNITION?*
NATALIA'S COLLECTOR SKIN "Warrioress Paragon" SHOULD BE RELEASED ASAP!
BUFF NATALIA!!
SILENCE: 0.25S TO 0.4S
-*IVE NOTICED THAT NATALIA IS UNABLE TO BURST MOST SQUISHY TARGETS IN THE MID GAME, SO SHE NEEDS AN ATTACK SCALING ON HER PASSIVE!!!*
BASE DAMAGE: (+130% Total Physical Attack) => (+125% Total Physical Attack)
Base Dmg Before: 200
Base Dmg After:
Lvl 1-3 Base dmg: 220
Lvl 4-6 Base dmg: 250 (+30 Attack)
Lvl 7-9 Base dmg: 270 (+20 Attack)
Lvl 10-12 Base dmg: 290 (+20 Attack)
Lvl 13-15 Base dmg: 300 (+10 Attack)
-Minus 5% Total Physical Damage on Passive (Nerf)
-Base Damage Scaling (Buff)
TIME BEFORE SHE GETS EXPOSED: 0.6S TO 0.8S
She's horrible asf. Her claw is literally like plastic in the early game!
[[[ *When I've switched my main from Hayabusa to Natalia in early 2022, I've was always confidently certain that she would NOT be one of the heroes to get nerfed to the ground, but IG I was wrong* ]]]
@@Goruden_4407 don't spam it on other people's reply
honestly while people will see the tests in the patch videos of other youtubers as think "ohh slightly less damage Joy is dead!" she is so much better then before because the main reason you had to rely on all that survivability you get from the shield you passive gave you your time to kill is so much faster to the point it doesnt matter
Oh damn,bursting down Fredrinn like butter is a new sight to behold.
Definitely a satisfying one.
9:21 i swear everytime I do these kind of stuff, my team just complains "wtf are you doing?" Lmaooo
Thanks Beto I reached my first mythical glory ever as a roamer. Your tutor has always been helpful because it gives insights about the basics
I like the joy with more dashes much better. I used to be able to use a particular build comp which i actually dont see anyone else use. It was so op like even in late game i will not be killed at all. Like they literally cant kill me at all unless i dont have my 2nd skill and its 1v5. She was so op. I wish she still has her 5 dashes....
5:31 after the revamp of hanabi, hanabi is quite scary even in the early game, in my opinion her revamp is like a huge buff on her, she can exchange blows quite well and if not taken care early she can pretty much dominate the game.
Oh I am so glad to see more of heroes that I did not know about !! I am excited for this video ty Beto! 😊
i think Joy’s ult and other skills are maximized with concentrated energy, genius wand, & especially the glowing wand since its residual damage is not reduced as opposed to joy’s ultimate having a damage decay. then the remaining item slots can be used to counter enemy’s comp
Beto's in-game musics are getting better every day.
It's joy's sfx
I know Joy's musics. I'm talking about the additional musics.
Here's a few tips for those who wish to play joy more efficiently and better
-In late game pre dash once or twice before entering the team fight to be able to cast ult in the middle of the chaos
-She is very tanky later on because of her ult extra def+Healing
-Her Shield and lifesteal is only accessible if you perfect beat so try your best to get all beats
-DONT ENGAGE AGAINST THE ENEMY DPS LATE GAME you will be taken down in seconds
-She can screw around against melle heroes due to her being hard to hit
-While doing a dash focus on the battlefield instead of the beats because hitting something is more important than getting it perfect
-Her movement speed comes from her hitting a creep or hero poking one with your first skill can help you run/chase
-Be agressive joy is ONE of the strongest early game characters she will insta burst mm's and mage's no difficulty
-Her best spell is vengeance to not be bursted or execute to Ks (Kill secure)
-Her best build is a burst build with 1/2 def items
Build:
Arcane boots
Genius wand
Ice queen wand (Good for keeping enemies close to you and utility late game)
Divine glave
Holy crystal
Blood wings
(You can change items for defense if needed)
Best def:
Brute force
Oracle
Queens wings
That's so long
is glowing wand not good for joy anymore? here is my build
arcane boots
genius wand
glowing wand
holy crystal/blood wings
divine glave
queens wings
would you say that IQW is better than glowing wand? also can blood wings replace holy crystal or is holy crystal necessary?
@@Ecko-be4ho Blood wings is a good replacement for more survivability with good damage scaling too
Queems wings is especially amazing if you want to be even tankier but at the cost of it's cd having to be up
In glowing wands case the reason IQW is considered better is due to it's utility since late game joy will be able to only burst the MM which is sometimes impossible because you get outbursted
It's good for damage but if you want a late game utility item IQW will allow you to super slow everyone in a very short amount of time
So as a Joy main, I feel very happy seeing you play her. Although she is usually weaker in the late game, with the right timing and ultimate use, you can easily destroy the enemy team even in the very late game. Her passive makes boots pretty useless to her unless you're jungling ofcourse. She can also basically instant kill any marksman without magic defense items in less than 3 seconds with her ultimate. Joy can also just come in when the enemy team unleashes all their skills during the teamfight and wipe them out. And also, you can go into towers and kill your enemies pretty easily with her new passive. (As long as you are more ahead of the enemy.)
Btw, Phoveus isn't really a counter to Joy because of her high mobility, she can just avoid his ultimate with the right timing of her dash. And maybe even waste Phoveus' ultimate. The only counters I know of is Khufra, Franco, Kaja, Minsitthar, and Akai, they can cause Joy immense pain during her dashes.
hey i wanna ask, what item should i use for countering her
Joy can immune khufras 2nd skill, and you forgot about minsi which basically kills the "joy" out of her
Anti heal items, athena shield, rosegold, radiant armor, hp items, burst heroes such as hayabusa or true dmg such as lesley and karrie.
u forgot Melissa ulti. I hate it so much when I use joy
@@jasongrace6988 well usually for me they die before they can pop it off
Betoskyyyyyy~ I just had the time to watch your video, been busy on weekend.🤧
Betosky, for the last dash, you can aim it at the air and it will still register , so u can time it even if enemies are no close to you
Me before update 25+ kills 2 deaths
Me after update: not sure yet
I really learn so much from ur video my friend.... Thanks bro.... Keep growing 👍
Joy's ulti immune to control effects while it lasts, why Nana's 2nd skill worked on Betosky at 8:20?
I've just come back to play MLBB again and learn how to play Joy. Idk if her ultimate got changed or not compared to Joy with new talent system.
Her ultimate got changed previously u got immunity from second skill but now it's the ultimate that gives u immunity
because (in this vid, which is before the cc immunity switch place to her ult) joy immune to cc when her second skill still use-able
She is probably the nuttiest hero to solo rank with in the history of ML so far. If you manage to master her, it's plausible to reach Mythical Glory with a winrate of 80%+ using only her, even 90% if you're lucky with teammates for the season. The best part is she's usable in 3 roles; EXP (best), mid, and jungle.
She can even be played mid, cuz she isn't really weak in early.
I literally checked Betos channel and got surprised about this video uploaded not a minute ago.
I recommend trying out joy her damage is insane after the update
Okay I'm pissed!!! I look very forward to seeing your game play and never get notified that you've uploaded and I'm subbed and I gave the 🛎 notification on...not sure why I have to click on RUclips then it shows you have uploaded...I don't like that!! Anyway, love you betosky🥰😘 I hope all is well with you. You are humble and a very consistent uploader and you do actually care about your fans which I love. Make sure your heart and mental health is well my friend shalom.
Actually Hanabi received 2 indirect buffs. With buffed Aigies more shild and lower cool down. And buffed rose gold meteor. Global 5 here ;)
You are way better than those joy main out there. They just dive into turret like crazy and die in the first 2 mins
SHE? All this time I thought Joy was a shota boy I'm sorry 😭
I learned more about Joy in this video. I usually learn heroes by trying them for a few times but I can't seem to grasped Joy's potential. For me, her damage output is just to weak.
Bruh Joy is strong just last hit beat on second skill and ult, the damage is insane
most people who think Joy is weak usually fall into 3 categories
1. people who cant seem to grasp her on beat dash mechanic
2. run into Joy's in either classic or in the lower ranks who arent as experienced with the hero
or 3. part of the doom says on youtube comment sections saying (insert small adjustments) will kill (insert) hero
After the adjustment her damage definitely improved and casting her ult is a lot easier and faster. I have tried her and i can burst squishy heroes before even casting my ult. You just need to cast 2nd skill on last beat. the way i do it is to cast it a bit after the "clapping" sound in the background. Headphones are recommended but I don't use them to practice not too relying on them.
Lol
My portuguese self reading chat
" Oh we love a good verbal fight "
Okay so I been maining Joy ever since her
“Nerf” or “adjustment”
Most use vengeance but NO, I recommend
Petrify.
You can use it and use your ult to do burst damage to ton of enemies.
I think that the Tweeks on joy are made to make her fit her assassin role better, now she really packs a punch, while also being less tanky then her old self, but beto said it right, she works better with specific team comps, i one time played vs a Franco, who kept saving his ult just for me, the team took notice and just glued themselves to him, practically made me completely useless.
Any hero is OP when beto is the one using it
Ramadan karim ❤❤
Love u beto ❤
Imagine Beto trying the new layla which was known as troll before
New layla is still troll.
@@ltk7309 damage is pretty good but her mobility is a trash so slooow
Joy is still OP, but in higher ranks, she might have a harder time compared other exp-laners or junglers simply because she cannot fare well against a well drafted team composed of solid or even META Heroes. I want to request to try Esmeralda, I rarely see her picked right now especially when Alice just got really good and a lot of heroes like Fredrinn, Melissa, and many more heroes that were once just ok/solid/good, is now meta are getting more popular
Edit: Other than the usual joy counters like Minsithar, Khufra, Franco, Kaja, and Phoveus. I also still remember, that in the mid to late game, a good Esmeralda or Alice player (with magic defense items) can actually be a good soft counter to Joy because they can suck the life out of joy (or shield with Esmeralda), like Chou, Joy relies on skills in order to be effective and it's not full continuous damage like a typical marksman
I tried esmeralda yesterday. She's so good I literally did a 3v1 and still won with one hp bar left
Melissa and Wanwan are other "secret counters" to Joy. Melissa's ult can mess her dash up, and Wanwan is hard to hit, on top of Joy being an easy target for her ult stacks.
@@VelAqua Honestly, I'm still baffled that they decided to buff Esme AGAIN. I mean, isn't she already OP last patch?
@@Eis_ nah, Esmeralda was better before they nerfed her shield. Now her shield is very weak
Phoveus isn't much of a counter in my opinion sure he can follow her when she blinks but it's not like he can do anything to stop her
first ig and i am inrested how it turns out
betosky, u can fix that super late game enemy dps bursting you down because you can't complete the timed dashes by using the 2nd skill on a nearby creep near the teamfight twice, then use first skill as an extender for your second skill, then lastly, u can aim the last timed dash anywhere and then u can do significant amount of damage to the main DPS without highly risking yourself of dying, you can just retreat after either killing main DPS or just doing significant dmg to the main DPS
Day 53 of asking betosky to play Jawhead as the jungler
Oh my... this is the most likes and comments i have ever got in my comment. Thank you
DAY 145 OF COMMENTING *BUFF NATALIA!!*
(I've been commenting this since October, 31, 2022)
Natalia bugs:
1. When Nata's passive is active, layla's enhanced basic attack is still able hit Natalia, even tho her passive is active. Her passive is supposed to counter *locked* skills and *locked* basic attacks
2. Natalia's smoke screen doesn't immune Kimmy's enhanced basic attack!
"But Kimmy's Skil 1 is considered a skill"
*READ THE SKILL DESCRIPTION AT THE TOP OF KIMMY'S SKILL ONE, IT SAYS "MAGIC BASIC ATTACK" SO NAT SHOULD BE IMMUNE TO IT!*
3. The minions can still see her even tho her passive is active
*Seriously did they fix the no exclamation mark bug with Natalia, but they didn't fix the nata minion bug?*
*This isn't an Ordinary Comment!*
Do you think that Natalia is underperforming?
*DO YOU THINK NATALIA NEEDS RECOGNITION?*
NATALIA'S COLLECTOR SKIN "Warrioress Paragon" SHOULD BE RELEASED ASAP!
BUFF NATALIA!!
SILENCE: 0.25S TO 0.4S
-*IVE NOTICED THAT NATALIA IS UNABLE TO BURST MOST SQUISHY TARGETS IN THE MID GAME, SO SHE NEEDS AN ATTACK SCALING ON HER PASSIVE!!!*
BASE DAMAGE: (+130% Total Physical Attack) => (+125% Total Physical Attack)
Base Dmg Before: 200
Base Dmg After:
Lvl 1-3 Base dmg: 220
Lvl 4-6 Base dmg: 250 (+30 Attack)
Lvl 7-9 Base dmg: 270 (+20 Attack)
Lvl 10-12 Base dmg: 290 (+20 Attack)
Lvl 13-15 Base dmg: 300 (+10 Attack)
-Minus 5% Total Physical Damage on Passive (Nerf)
-Base Damage Scaling (Buff)
TIME BEFORE SHE GETS EXPOSED: 0.6S TO 0.8S
She's horrible asf. Her claw is literally like plastic in the early game!
[[[ *When I've switched my main from Hayabusa to Natalia in early 2022, I've was always confidently certain that she would NOT be one of the heroes to get nerfed to the ground, but IG I was wrong* ]]]
Day 1 of requesting to stop commenting stupid comments
@@haidosapndang9637Jawhead is a good jungler though, for the early game that is, in late you need a good mm to carry
@@Goruden_4407 no
Gatot jungler dude part 2
Seeing Betosky spam her dash on the buff hurts my eyes lmao.
Landing the perfect beat gives you double damage and upgrades the ults damage and lifesteal by a giant amount
so true when he used his ult to clear the blue buff when theres a teamfight/small clash he could turn the tides of is on the map is also equally painful
There's a nice video. I'm looking for play Joy but I'm wasn't sure but after this, I'm op. Thanks 🎉
Guys what hero should I buy this season?
The day I lost all my friends but through them I found you
you dont have to stand on top of the first skill to use it, put it in front of you and then dash towards it, its more effective
Joy still awesome, her only counter is the guy that got the awesome revamp. Yeah that golden guy.
After watching this vid I realized, moonton should give some buffs for Phoveus like, slightly increase the sheild or increase the scaling on magic power.
Edit: After playing around with Phoveus, I change my mind on "increase on magic scaling". Slightly faster 3rd skill animation would be nice and also, longer immunity during 3rd skill animation would be great.
Put the skill 1 further if u wanna chase enemies in a longer distance, and obviously place it on yourself if you're doing a surprise
She is op, but for its extremely hard to deal damage during tense moments. And she gets stun too easily, and bsically ur ded coz your dash is canceled. She’s fun but she sucks
Pov: u don't know how to use joy
If you wanna be safe then don't pick her when the enemy has a hero that can easily cc you
Hanabi didn't receive any buff yet, all they did was to make some adjustments to her 1st skill that gives shield, now other players seemed to spam Aegis while using her it's truly annoying.
MM always get buffed when they are on the opposing team. It's a passive called home (their side of the map) advantage.
Idk Betosky has ever try to new change ult on Carmila
beto : telling that composition matters for aggesive joy
Meanwhile
Fredrin : Your Mom 11:41 XDDD
Ironically, her adjustment means that you only need 1, single damage item to burst down a hero and you can focus on defense.
Umm not really
love to watch your video from nepal
plz play SUN 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Me who uses Joy as sidelane with only Genius Wand as Offensive Item, excluding the Boots, and 4 Defensive Items and Vengeance as the Battle Spell . She still deal lots of damage and too tanky to be bursted.. Heck, she can tower-dive and still come out alive... most of the time
Sheesh
Op gameplay ❤
People saying that shes gonna be out of meta bc of her new adjustments but it purely made her more better now lol , she is used much moe frequently than before
Bro when i watch you play I just think you are unstoppable
Great gameplay and i wish to see maskov gameplay if you like maskov
Why do you build bloodlust axe on hanabi instead of hass claws???
Any chance you will revisit joy > now that she got her many changes
Which changes did she get?
@@meadahagain check her last patch notes. She's a dead champion now in my opinion
Second this, they basically made a “mobile” hero that is useless in teamfight with all the cc effects and burst this game has
Hey Beto Love your vids it help me improve my Game, Can you play in your next video, the Roger revamped skin thanks,
If opponent pick buff dependent hero like fanny ling hiyabusa then joy is a good pick. She can steal the buff in a flash. Also a hybrid build with 2 defense iteam and vengeance she is quite good as exp.
Eyy 1st
Day 1 of requesting betosky to play saber roam ;)
Beto, in order to attack the ult in the late game, you need revenge
Hey lodi ... Can play 10 game using cyclops only ... 10 win steak gameplay just using one hero(cyclops) ...? Cause ur are one of the cyclops god
Still i think they should buff phoevus 's late game
I literally searched Joy betosky last week and it didn't show anything but now it does
Hello beto i would really like if you could show some tutorials regarding binding ML account with moonton or how to solve can’t create moonton account
Not only me even most of your fans will really love it
I can't reliably get it on the beat since the recent update because at least half my games, I have no sound when the match starts.
So many things I learn from your videos thnx sur
She is now most balanced assassin's in the game from damage .. I hope all assassin's back to be balanced too like before. And stopping Tank meta
Trust me she's not that balanced
Would you please make another video on her current state? I only have about 300 games so I dont know about being a dedicated Joy main. But shes so weak and is heavily outclasses by other assassins and mages..
Srry if I'm late But still so OP
I see so little of this hero I don't even understand what's the deal with this "beat" thing with her
video 4 of asking beto to play moskov
MLBB should add more active items, full of passive ones.
When betosky said fanny many time that remind me of betosky never play fanny lol
Betosky how did you make ur screen kinda bigger in yt video even tho you on iPad?
Beto, hanabi did got a nice buff where any type of shield gain by her makes her immune like before, so aegis n rose gold meteor is a nice
hey beto, have you considered adding calamity reaper with her? It's a bit more technical to play but reaper dmg adds more extra dmg to her
Lots of love from India ❤
I think they should make the beat timing shorter, as late game to max the ulti dmg she will be almost die or die already
i feel like your the Levy Rosman of ml lol
I think Betosky's gameplay really improved alot
I play Joy and at first glance I had difficulty but later games, I got it how she works and I became mvp.
Ahhh, no cunning video today 😅 love Beto's Master Bait jutsu. ❤
Day 29 of asking Betosky to play Roger in next video. (Especially for the new Revamped skin)
Soo when you're gonna play Edith?
I noticed a shadow nerf on her 2nd skill, back then you dont need to hit a target at the last 2nd skill beat to activate ulti but now you need to hit something
No it's still there
@@Darkvoid812 i think i saw a part in the video that connects to what I said, probably its a bug perhaps
@@Syyaaannnn trust me it's still there
@@Darkvoid812 kk
Phoveus mechanics definitely counter dash heroes...but personally, I think if you know what you're doing Phoveus is just a Tanky hero following you around when u dash..that's it..his damage is meh and if you drag him towards your turret or teammates with CCs he's just useless..that's why in the pro scenes even if all the heroes has tons of dashes he doesn't even get picked anymore.
Yeah but if u get some core items at least 2 he is absolutely nuts
Yes hanabi got a pretty huge buff in the last patch
After revamp whenever i tried playing Joy enemy team has always franco minsi and martis. Never got the chance play her full potential😢.