The Aerodynamics of Celera 500L

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  • Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024

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  • @KonichiWawa
    @KonichiWawa 3 года назад +31

    I love clear, clean and concisely delivered technical data. This is the second video of yours I have viewed and it is time to hit the subscribe button.

  • @ryanmcgowan3061
    @ryanmcgowan3061 3 года назад +8

    My wife has seen it flying twice, and I haven't seen it once yet. We commute by SCLA, and pass under the approach. We've seen drones, Cosmic Girl, stacks of 737 Max vertical stabilizers, and all kinds of interesting aircraft.

  • @gabedarrett1301
    @gabedarrett1301 3 года назад +7

    No regrets after subscribing! Keep up the phenomenal work!

  • @LostAnFound
    @LostAnFound 3 года назад +3

    Also worth noting is that the vertical and horizontal stabilizers do not use hinged control surfaces. Instead, the entire vertical and horizontal stabilizers move in the same way you see the horizontal stabilizers move on jet fighters like the F-15 and F-22.

  • @Mark-cj8bk
    @Mark-cj8bk 3 года назад +25

    Hi Electric, another great technical presentation! Keep this up.

  • @jaimesk1688
    @jaimesk1688 3 года назад +4

    Thank you for showing the correspondence between Celera 500 and electric plane. They both were inspired by long-endurance drones. Scale the Celera up, make it electric (with another generation of battery), and you have a real revolution, no matter what powers it.

    • @herbertshallcross9775
      @herbertshallcross9775 3 года назад

      The video does explain why it may not be practical to scale the Celera up. More length, more girth . What is the use of eight, ten, twelve foot high cabin ceilings? Lengthening a tube aircraft increases structural weight and cost linearly. A spheroidal shape's structural weight and cost increases at nearly the cube of the length increase.

    • @jaimesk1688
      @jaimesk1688 3 года назад

      @@herbertshallcross9775 I assume they would not scale the shape exactly...that's obvious. In fact, a longer shape only makes it easier to maintain laminar flow.
      AS for 'what's the use'...if it were wider and higher....plenty of use: 2 floors in height? More cargo? More capacity in a shorter body than regular planes? Thus, less skin stress? One must use their imagination.

    • @herbertshallcross9775
      @herbertshallcross9775 3 года назад

      ​@@jaimesk1688 A sphere's surface area goes up much faster with increase in length than a tube of fixed diameter.That slightly lower skin stress is offset by having the weight of a lot more skin. Much easier to have slightly larger stringers on a tube. There have been a few aircraft designs with two levels, but it creates problems. A double-height Celera would only fit in airliner-size hangars which has an impact on maintenance costs and scheduling. Interior stairs take up space and payload weight. Double- decker means more difficult loading/unloading, with passengers schleppping bags up a narrow staircase, not to mention more difficult emergency exit.

  • @unbreakableldorado7723
    @unbreakableldorado7723 3 года назад +2

    great work!

  • @r.guerreiro140
    @r.guerreiro140 3 года назад +3

    A great lecture on aerodynamics.
    I learned things never imagined.

  • @kentash4987
    @kentash4987 3 года назад +2

    Superb Explanation, Well Researched and Great Examples...excellent job! Thanks and Keep them coming!

  • @ArkPizarro
    @ArkPizarro 3 года назад +2

    I found your channel yesterday and I have really enjoyed your videos! Thanks!

  • @raydreamer7566
    @raydreamer7566 3 года назад +8

    Very good review. I like the way you explain and use comparisons to back up your explanations. You would make a great teacher...

  • @MultiSweeney1
    @MultiSweeney1 3 года назад +3

    The RC world has been using the "plank" aerodynamic layout for decades now. The Celera 500L is basically a full-scale Strix Goblin.

  • @shawnhollahan590
    @shawnhollahan590 3 года назад +3

    Just discovered your channel today ... I’m enjoying your posts a lot, - informative video essays with excellent and ‘courteous’ narration 👍🏻

  • @flyonbyya
    @flyonbyya 3 года назад +13

    When I originally learned of this aircraft a few months back. I was stunned to discover the great disparity in performance when compared to others.
    I would have thought that given current advancements, improving performance, by what ever measure, would be small and incremental, not orders of magnitude !

    • @Cythil
      @Cythil 3 года назад +2

      That is the difference when you uncompromising in your design. (Well... almost. As mention in the video the intakes are a compromise, for now".)

    • @flyonbyya
      @flyonbyya 3 года назад

      Thanks for the info

    • @stephanelabelle5946
      @stephanelabelle5946 Год назад

      Many more aircrafts are coming improving performance, by orders of magnitude with new materials and new engines !

  • @bazoo513
    @bazoo513 3 года назад +2

    Kudos for mentioning Connie! But I cannot fathom not mentioning the production airplane designed with all these principles in mind and sharing almost all aerodynamic features, Piaggio P.180 Avanti. It uses two pusher engines, so does not re-energize the boundary layer ove fuselage, but applies another little trick: three lifting planes.

  • @kevinb3812
    @kevinb3812 Год назад

    Thank You for the presentation. Many of us are excited about these advances in design and how they can greatly improve performance and efficiency! This is a far cry from the classic general aviation planes we're so used to!

  • @mossm717
    @mossm717 3 года назад +3

    Really in depth explanation! Can’t wait so see more from this channel

  • @TIO540S1
    @TIO540S1 3 года назад +4

    Thanks for this. You are a wealth of information and much appreciated.

  • @LoanwordEggcorn
    @LoanwordEggcorn 3 года назад +3

    Thanks for another wonderful analysis. Very clear and accurate.
    9:54 should be "high aspect ratio" wing, but we know what you meant.

  • @sakelaine2953
    @sakelaine2953 3 года назад +2

    This was very nice to watch. Thanks for making it, I hadn't heard about the ventral fin helping prevent prop strike but it makes sense.

  • @ajent1337
    @ajent1337 3 года назад +2

    Great explanation! Thank you!

  • @audiocrush
    @audiocrush 3 года назад +3

    This is really well done content. Informative, well researched and on the point.
    Love it!

  • @ghislaindebusbecq8864
    @ghislaindebusbecq8864 3 года назад +2

    Aircraft engineers here ? I think the lower fin is rather for yaw stability, and to protect the propeller on ground operation. Concerned about the CG being far aft, with a long fuselage forward protrusion destabilizing the whole thing. Hence the need for a giant fin. But there is no room for a standard low AR fin as the structure of the fin must leave space for the engine compartment. This fin has an AR ratio so high it may stall under relatively modest slip angles. As always, optimization of a criterion being made at the expense of other criteria. Comments welcome.

  • @marzolian
    @marzolian 3 года назад +7

    Nice presentation. You might be interested in another example of a plane with similar features, the Lear Fan.

  • @Soothsayer210
    @Soothsayer210 3 года назад +4

    I hope they succeed in bringing out Hydrogen/Fuel Cell based aircrafts too.

  • @steevesdd
    @steevesdd 3 года назад +4

    Review wright speed hybrid electric power generator for a hybrid electric power source, also review controlled flexible wings and wing tips for control surfaces that reduce drag and power requirements. This seems to be a very good design for drone freight and passenger vehicles doing point to point flights.

  • @Angelsilhouette
    @Angelsilhouette 2 года назад

    I really love that you end your videos with "And with this, the video is concluded" ^______^

  • @eyob94
    @eyob94 2 года назад

    Love your channel, and will be waiting for your "Electrification of the Celera 500L" video

  • @magatism
    @magatism 3 года назад +15

    $ 350 for 450 km, that too for 6 people. Car economy for 7 times the speed.

  • @Michallote
    @Michallote 3 года назад +1

    It is true that Elliptical wings reduce induced drag but they are also heavier than those with bell-shaped lift distributions and in some instances that in turn generates more drag force even though it has a smaller drag coefficient. My main other concern for this particular aircraft is it's stability, how does it maintain lateral stability if the tail and the wing are so closely held together?? The downforce of the horizontal stabilizer must be huge with such little distance to the CG, is it really worth the viscous-drag to induced-drag exchange??. (I do get that at high speeds parasitic drag is substantially bigger than induced drag).
    Anyway this was a great video mate!!! I would really like to turn this comment section into a healthy aeronautics discussion.

  • @twofacedmctwoface4876
    @twofacedmctwoface4876 3 года назад +3

    The lower dorsal fin is to assist in yaw stability, especially in prevention of spinning.
    Area at the rear must equal area up front.

  • @easterislehead
    @easterislehead 3 года назад +2

    Love these videos!

  • @blairkinsman3477
    @blairkinsman3477 3 года назад +1

    Good information ... great aircraft

  • @t1fou
    @t1fou 3 года назад +2

    Very interresting. Thank you.

  • @gobl-analienabductedbyhuma5387
    @gobl-analienabductedbyhuma5387 3 года назад +1

    Great explanation

  • @royromano9792
    @royromano9792 3 года назад +2

    One could make this a vertical take off relatively easily. It could take off like a helicopter, legs folding out from around the cockpit area. The cockpit would need to swivel, or special cameras would be used to help the pilot land.

    • @lucass.decordoba8195
      @lucass.decordoba8195 3 года назад

      Exactly! If you use multiple fans that are retractable in fuselage like, for example, 3 in the front and 3 in the rear in each side(i'm with some EVTOL's design in my mind, that ones that have many small fans like lilium jet) and makes it eletric... damm
      Don't know if this glider like wings would make it impossible but would be an evtol to beat all planes and helicopters. It would fly faster than any prop plane at 700 kph and surely faster than any heli with much less cost with gas and maintenance than even the most cost efective airplane but with the capacity of vertical landing and take off. Present evtols are set to have 240km or 150 miles range. So if this can have 1000km range being eletric it would be a revolution i believe. Cheers!!

  • @fredtedstedman
    @fredtedstedman 3 года назад

    Such a beautiful , clean design , in fact all 3 aircraft are !. Wales UK.

  • @LeonRamkumar
    @LeonRamkumar 3 года назад +1

    Great show

  • @kingt7126
    @kingt7126 3 года назад +2

    I would like to know more of its interior, but I bet it comes with multiple options.

  • @CharlesFraser
    @CharlesFraser 3 года назад +1

    Brilliant videos dude

  • @brianevolved2849
    @brianevolved2849 3 года назад +1

    Excellent well done

  • @paulsharp695
    @paulsharp695 3 года назад +4

    Great insight and well presented. I think the celera will be a good fit with future air travel, smaller more direct flights with high efficiency . Can only hope you don't run out topics, but the future is clear, evs are the future

    • @ElectricAviation
      @ElectricAviation  3 года назад

      Thanks Paul. I remember you mentioned to make a video on this. So thank you for that tip

    • @billyboblillybob344
      @billyboblillybob344 3 года назад

      If this aircraft lives up to its claims, it will be far more than a good fit. It will rock the aviation world; especially if its price tag is in any way reasonable.

    • @mikelp72
      @mikelp72 3 года назад

      @@billyboblillybob344 it won’t. Interesting concept plane, but not practical in so many real world aspects of aviation. It won’t see mass production.

  • @kalyana9705
    @kalyana9705 3 года назад +2

    Really looking forward to the electric variant of this plane. Should be a game changer for domestic air travel

    • @1225KPH
      @1225KPH 3 года назад

      You won't see a battery powered version with any range in your lifetime.

  • @landurearnaud1677
    @landurearnaud1677 3 года назад +2

    The fuselage shape looks very close to the airfoil Selig ‘S1014’.

  • @conservativemike3768
    @conservativemike3768 3 года назад +4

    Well done, sir!

  • @richardcyr1346
    @richardcyr1346 3 года назад +2

    Great video! Thank you so much!

  • @joeycad
    @joeycad 3 года назад +3

    Makes me wonder about the weights and balancing for this plane. Gives the appearance that if a rear seat passenger goes to the cabin it might try to stall

    • @rickburke7167
      @rickburke7167 3 года назад

      I suspect the C of G is engineered to compensate for the heavy diesel V12 at back and the wing placement would aid this. The electric unit would weigh less and its batteries could be positioned forward.

    • @agsystems8220
      @agsystems8220 3 года назад

      @@rickburke7167 There is only so much you can do. I doubt it would stall, but trim drag would certainly go through the roof.

  • @thomassutherland5188
    @thomassutherland5188 3 года назад +3

    Nicely Done.

  • @bantau88
    @bantau88 3 года назад +7

    That was a fantastic presentation!

  • @bryanst.martin7134
    @bryanst.martin7134 3 года назад +3

    You goofed. @ 8:40 you list low aspect ratio wings as opposed to high aspect ratio. Otherwise, a very informative presentation.

  • @mitchgregory8259
    @mitchgregory8259 3 года назад +2

    great vid

  • @alejandropisetta2730
    @alejandropisetta2730 3 года назад +2

    It seems to be a great game changer in aviation, but I can't find an example or explanation of how does this plan land, with an engine failure. I just like every news about all kind of new technologies, so if anyone could explain this doubt, it would be awesome. thaks a lot for the upload.

  • @noutram1000
    @noutram1000 2 года назад

    Very good presentation -thanks! You forgot to mention Thunderbird2 though! 🤔😂

  • @mrjeff4832
    @mrjeff4832 3 года назад +15

    It’s going to be cool if their claims turn out to be true. This would become the most popular plane in the world overnight.

    • @macrumpton
      @macrumpton 3 года назад +1

      It has a pretty specific use case though. Small passenger planes. If they could make an airliner carrying hundreds of passengers it would change the world, but sadly the aerodynamics does not work in the larger sizes. On the other hand it looks like it will make electric planes more practical.

    • @royromano9792
      @royromano9792 3 года назад +1

      Yeah, if the engineering pans out. It’s going to be the worlds first practical electric aircraft.

  • @ddream777
    @ddream777 3 года назад +4

    Good stuff!

  • @Barskor1
    @Barskor1 3 года назад +1

    An electric version can eliminate the scoops or vastly reduce them improving the drag ratio even more. Edit you covered this, good job.

  • @gehtdichnixan4704
    @gehtdichnixan4704 3 года назад +1

    Did I miss you mentioning the number of seats and payload mass?

  • @stephenmabry2866
    @stephenmabry2866 3 года назад +5

    Excellent reviews.

  • @peterboy209
    @peterboy209 3 года назад +1

    Very informative, 👍

  • @skunstt
    @skunstt 3 года назад +1

    Great video as always !

  • @demej00
    @demej00 3 года назад +1

    Excellent coverage.

  • @quotidien_
    @quotidien_ 3 года назад

    Excellent. As usual.

  • @rmm9676
    @rmm9676 3 года назад +5

    Yet another article that lacks basic research of the factory's projected performance claims versus fact. It is Impossible to meet the altitude / speed / range claims made. Readers should go to the article by Peter Garrison - FLYING magazine - Dec 2020 QUOTE: " The Celera 500L is not so revolutionary as it claims to be. ... What sets the Celera apart is its huge passenger cabin and efficient diesel engine. I doubt it will achieve the announced performance-I’m happy to be proved wrong-but if it cruises at 260 ktas at 30,000 feet burning 90 pph and has a toilet inside, that will be good enough. "

    • @novakt62
      @novakt62 3 года назад

      Same opinion: too small power (

  • @berlingenieur
    @berlingenieur 3 года назад +1

    great video! also noticed that the aircraft doesn't have passenger windows. They must have saved a lot of weight by removing those and the structure that's needed to make up for the resulting weakpoints. I know of research about removing windows in large commercial planes and replacing them with screens for that reason. How did they solve it here without creating psychological issues of flying in a dark barrel?

  • @bernardthedisappointedowl6938
    @bernardthedisappointedowl6938 3 года назад +2

    This is great analysis, thanks, ^oo^

  • @jonhimself77
    @jonhimself77 3 года назад +1

    Great channel / content

  • @Sean_Coyne
    @Sean_Coyne 3 года назад +1

    I have serious doubts about the claimed per hour costs. Another issue, that they don't mention, is that pusher props, especially behind three, or in this case, four tail fins are extremely noisy, especially on takeoff. This is well known with flying wings in the RC model world, where pusher props are often used. The prop cuts through and interrupts the airflow from either the wing, or here, the tail and it is a very noisy and annoying noise.

  • @vanderwallstronghold8905
    @vanderwallstronghold8905 3 года назад +2

    Not to be racist but usually when I listen to Indians I could barely understand what they're saying. Kudos to you because I can understand clearly what you're explaining.

    • @Michallote
      @Michallote 3 года назад +1

      Learning English is such a treat

  • @SolarWebsite
    @SolarWebsite 3 года назад +14

    1:43 "Laminar flow"
    SmarterEveryday has entered the chat.

  • @SolarizeYourLife
    @SolarizeYourLife 3 года назад +1

    Body part wise... the fuselage, you can use similar body part twice....
    How many passengers can this plane carry??? How big a load???

  • @lucywucyyy
    @lucywucyyy 3 года назад +3

    i think it should be a v tail for even less drag

  • @spartanboss4189
    @spartanboss4189 3 года назад +2

    Looks very similar to a sea creature, such as a whale. which makes sense considering nature is the best engineer.
    Edit: it was later mentioned in the video (:

  • @antontkachev4747
    @antontkachev4747 3 года назад +2

    Love your channel! Please add some ambient music

  • @tedsmith6137
    @tedsmith6137 3 года назад +2

    Curious that, despite the target of low drag, there is no wing to fuselage fairing. Such a square corner is the highest drag configuration for that area.

    • @ElectricAviation
      @ElectricAviation  3 года назад

      Thank you for pointing that out

    • @daos3300
      @daos3300 3 года назад

      most likely a toss up - disrupting the laminar flow as little as possible vs some drag reduction at the wing root. given the low aspect ratio wings, just as on gliders. looks like laminar flow wins.

  • @lauriejones3198
    @lauriejones3198 3 года назад +1

    With a lot of luck, the purported laminar flow will fix the glaring centre of gravity issues the configuration guarantees.

  • @EdwardTilley
    @EdwardTilley 2 года назад

    Good video !

  • @L0L460
    @L0L460 3 года назад

    I just got my technical dose before sleep.

  • @ryomichael
    @ryomichael Год назад +1

    There's a phrase that describes laminar flow wings without robust on-board de-icing equipment..."eventually suicidal".

  • @alanrogers7090
    @alanrogers7090 3 года назад

    During World War 2, the American Consolidated B-24 Liberator bomber had high-aspect wings. It led to a longer range and bomb load then the similar Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress bombers, which did ot have these wings.

  • @bae313
    @bae313 2 года назад

    Thx. nice research.

  • @cujet
    @cujet 2 года назад

    Keep in mind that the nose of an airliner is shaped correctly for the typical airflow over it. As a typical airplane has some "nose up" attitude in normal flight. One need only look at the positions and angles of the pitot tubes on modern planes to know what the average direction of airflow is.

  • @Martin-cq6om
    @Martin-cq6om 3 года назад +1

    A Bell X1 made in 2020. Interesting

  • @janfm8670
    @janfm8670 3 года назад +2

    Intresting

  • @JohnAndrewMetza
    @JohnAndrewMetza 3 года назад +1

    Excellent video but I can't understand your speech very well. Can you slow down the rate of speaking slightly? When you go too fast the words get too close together. Publishing your script here would help too. Thanks!

  • @edwardday3832
    @edwardday3832 3 года назад

    Could this style of aircraft be scaled down to a little electric two seater and if so would it need a very long runway? If not, that would be very desirable.

  • @MA-id1hr
    @MA-id1hr 3 года назад +1

    You mean the PLAN-DEMIC!!👍👍4

  • @paitenkersuresh5985
    @paitenkersuresh5985 3 года назад

    Good information.👍

  • @thomassutrina7469
    @thomassutrina7469 3 года назад +2

    The shape of this airplane fuselage is similar to high performance glider that also have laminar flow over the body. True a propeller in the front creates turbulent air flow that impacts the fuselage as turbulent. The air vortexes off the trailing edge of the propeller air foils creates a vortex that is mixed with the slip stream, breaking up into turbulence. The push propeller has a second positive effect other then the turbulence it creates is no in contact with the fuselage. The laminar boundary layer is compressed against the surface for a fuselage body that is expanding, increasing cross section. However, expansion can not continue for ever. The laminar boundary layer expands off the surface it is contracting. About 8 degrees is the maximum angle. Clearly the contraction is greater then 8 degrees. That is where the propeller comes in. The air is accelerated by the vacuum created in front of the blades, velocity squared. So the air on the contacting fuselage is accelerated towards the propeller which reduces and may even change the expanding boundary layer to a compressing boundary layer. Drag is determined by the cross section of the boundary layer when it separates from the body which must occur at the propeller.
    The thickness of a laminar has a limit when it will turn turbulent. However, the engine needs air so the air frame can be bigger when the engine is used to remove the laminar boundary layer sending that air to the intake of the engine(s). This has already been done on aircraft to prevent boundary layer separation on wings.

    • @Michallote
      @Michallote 3 года назад

      So this is what NASA engineers mean when they say putting the engines on blended wings back there is even more efficient than not having them at all. Very interesting!
      Putting engines on wingtips could take advantage of natural vortex regions perhaps?

  • @yujishinohara797baby
    @yujishinohara797baby 3 года назад +1

    Looks like a flying submarine

  • @user-vd8xs6zd5w
    @user-vd8xs6zd5w Год назад

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    미래형 비행기의 첫걸음

  • @louisvanrijn3964
    @louisvanrijn3964 3 года назад

    If you study laminar flow, you will find that natural transition will occur at say Renolds number = 3 million.
    Speed then dictates the laminar flow distance and it will be 0.3 m or so, not more. (at 150 m/s)
    Many years ago we (Dutch Aerospace Lab NLR) measured that on the leading edge of a T33 fighter of the RNAF.
    So only the nose cone of this Celera aircraft is laminar: this are physics of air.
    If you add a lower pressure field behind the nose, like the shape of the Celera aircraft, the laminar transition can occur at say Re = 7-10 million (maximum), which will mean 1 meter of the nose is laminar flow, the rest is turbulent flow.
    The fuselage has no lower drag than for instance a Learjet shaped aircraft, good to know for those Learjet owners.
    B.t.w: try to beat that aircraft.
    You cannot bent aerodynamic law, unless you use boundery layer suction. The Celera has none of that.

  • @manofsan
    @manofsan 3 года назад

    How much is it? What's the pricetag?

  • @cliffcampbell8827
    @cliffcampbell8827 2 года назад

    Why not have the air intake at the front? Instead of a rounded nose, there would be a hole, ducted through the plane to the engine components that require air (the cooling system and the intake manifold or plenum or whatever the engine uses to breathe). Fuel injection nozzles could be up towards the front too, giving the fuel plenty of distance to tumble around and break apart (fuel atomization). The more surface area each fuel molecule has, combustion will be more complete. Less fuel wasted = greater range and further reduction in exhaust gasses.

  • @roye2479
    @roye2479 3 года назад +1

    High aspect ratio wings

  • @marlbankian
    @marlbankian 2 года назад

    Interesting

  • @johndalman6616
    @johndalman6616 3 года назад

    Interesting stuff. With conventional planes the aerodynamic center of the wing is close to the cog and the horizontal stabilizer is used to set the pitch of the plane and angle of attack of the wing to adjust lift. This plane appears to have a cog significantly forward of the wing and its center of pressure. This would cause a large moment that would tend to push the nose down. The small horizontal stabilizer would have to be generating lots of downforce OR the fuselage is actually providing some lift to counteract the nose down tendency. Since you are covering the planes aerodynamics would you care to comment?

    • @ElectricAviation
      @ElectricAviation  3 года назад

      From the information I was able to gather from the internet/forums, yes the fuselage is a lifting body fuselage. Some suggested that as much as 28% of the lift is coming from the fuselage. It would be interesting to run a CFD model to ascertain, exactly how much of lift is exactly generated and what is the centre point of lift. It is most probably in front of the wings. Since the propulsion is at the rear, it kind of counterbalances. The CTO from Celera has mentioned that the plane must maintain an essentially flat pitch attitude or angle of attack, including during take off and approach to landing phase.

    • @makerbeelab5546
      @makerbeelab5546 3 года назад

      @@ElectricAviation I would also think that the heavy diesel engine at the back shifts the COG which is compensated by a lengthy fuselage. I would love to see some kind of folding front canard stabiliser similar to TU144. It could be used for takeoff and landing and fold in at cruising speeds.

  • @hs7921
    @hs7921 Год назад

    Only one propeller. What would be the protocol if that failed?

  • @Justwantahover
    @Justwantahover 3 года назад

    Skinny wings are high aspect ratio, not low aspect ratio.

  • @tompraisan7642
    @tompraisan7642 Год назад

    A pair of canards and a swept wing would make it look much better, like the Grumman X-29!

  • @omnagar8225
    @omnagar8225 3 года назад +2

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