Hey Tamer, I really want to thank you for your videos. I had a problem with bowling balls and overlap. Way to many and a struggle to narrow down to a six ball bag. But your Arsenal building 101 has been an eye opening video! Hands down the easiest way to understand Arsenal building. Thank you for all you and your team do 🙏🏽.
Ghost, Mythic, Sky Raptor, VIP Affliction, Launch, Recoil, EXJ, Desert Tank. I switch out these depending. Also have a Coral, forge fire, sigma sting. I still play around with. Have a Primal, black, and rally not drilled yet.
Just finish my thought here on the Ember from the chat. The Ember will essentially have the same length but it's if you want less backend angle. So it's not really a ball down from something like a Ghost for a breakdown situation.
I would also like to thank you for this video comparison & feedback to my other comment! I love bowling. After losing the ability to drive for medical reasons, bowling is the one thing that is guaranteed to get me out of the house every week other than work & gives me something to do with my mom.
I’m primarily a Motiv bowler but I have two storm balls in my lineup because the balls have performed very well for me. My bags storm lock and summit. VIP, venom shock,coral, cobra, thrill, spare ball. I couldn’t ask for more out of my gear and haven’t ran into a situation yet where I felt stumped. I do feel fortunate to have a pro shop that has spent countless hours with me to finalize this line and work with my skill sets
I really like the gear core. I’m not a ball engineer, but in my mind, I feel like when the ball flips, the gear core rolls like a tire and creates carry through contact in the pocket.
awesome video! I'm a Motiv-only bowler, so this is perfect for. My bag is currently Revolt Uprising, Jackal Ghost, Blue Coral Venom, Pride Empire and a spare ball. Uprising or Ghost are the first out of my bag, I love how the Blue Coral Venom can be a versatile style and the Pride Empire gives me that late kick I need. Probably will add the Black Venom soon.
In the house we bowl at there is a lot of oil carry down vary late in the first game and lasting for much of the 2nd game until it burns up so I switch to the Primal Shock during that condition and boy does it get the job done. Then go back to what I started with ( An old Storm reign supreme) Still ave well over 200 for and old guy well in his 70s---Dave
Good stuff Tamer! I wish you had the Pride solid. I know it's not in the current line up but what a great ball for me on the left. So versatile. I can't really comment on Motiv equipment but since I've been using the Pride solid it has piqued my interest in Motiv. That being said I only bowl on house shots or burned up house shots so something like the Ghost is just too much. I'm thinking the Pride Empire just makes sense. Thank you Tamer I love how you make us think about equipment and it's place in our bags.
Pride straddles the line between strong control and mid control. So you can always build around that. We did test the pride solid but it’s not in the lineup anymore so didn’t discuss it.
I am a HUGE Motiv fan. I have tried different brands in my 25 years of bowling (Storm, Track, Global, Brunwick, DV8, Roto Grip), but Motiv is what i wanna stick with. Unfortunatly, Motiv decided to not ship balls to Europe anymore, and my pro shop has a hard time to get them. Right now i have 4 Motiv balls in my Arsenal (Primal Fear, Hydra, Pride and Primal Shock) and 1 DV8 (i won that ball in a tournament) I really like how they fit so well together. So when i bowl a tournament, i now almost always start with my Pride, which is my Benchmark ball. Based on what i see on the lane, i can change to my Primal Fear if i want the more Angular motion, or Hydra if the Fear is too strong. And if it's really oily i use my Primal Shock, which i got this year and is a beast for the tougher patterns. Still missing in my arsenal is a Jackal Ghost or Ambush (or maybe i should get both) I am hoping Motiv comes back from it's decision and will start shipping to Europe again. There are a lot of Motiv fans out here, and would be a shame if i had to change my gear again to a different brand
@@TamerBowling Yeah, it's a real shame. And i am aware of other brands, i just really like the Motiv gear. Storm is a brand i would never go back to, because of the smell they use on their balls, and they make me sick (tried different once in the past, and they all had that effect) Track i have had 3 balls, that all broke down within first year, so nope! If Motiv is really not available anymore by my pro shop, i'd probably switch to Global or Brunswick
It's really hard to make a list like this when so many gems were discontinued in the past couple years, Tank Blitz chief among them. Trident Horizon would be in my bag for sure as well.
I kept it to active balls but honestly it’s not hard to include discontinued balls. Just put them in the part of the bag they belong and don’t look at a similar ball reaction. So if you have a trident horizon then don’t look at the sky raptor, mythic jackal, or ripcord launch. People get into trouble when they see a ball they REALLY like and want. They get it only to now be confused when to use it compared to a similar slot they already have filled. But then a used ball always rolls different than a fresh one so then they’re even more thrown off.
Jackal Ambush (pin up right), Sky Raptor (pin up deep), Primal Shock (pin up deep), Black Venom (pin up above bridge), Purple Shock (pin in palm), Blue Coral Venom (pin up right) Fatal Venom (pin up above bridge), Supra Rally (pin up above bridge)... Which five should be added to the arsenal bag along with the spare ball (Laser Sniper)? It will be sport shot (medium and long WTBA patterns).
@@TamerBowling I listed two different arsenal bag options before asking you to see if we think the same or not. I'm surprised to find out that we got the same list. Option 1: ambush, sky, primal shock, venom shock, and supra rally. Option 2: Sky, Primal Shock, Black Venom (1000 Grit), Venom shock, and supra rally. I'm glad that we think the same thing.
I would like to see your Storm arsenal & when to use them. I have a mixture of Motiv and Storm products. Between the two brands I’m sure a could build something close.
thanks tamer for the great discussion. here, many centres have low volume of oil and I am a lefty. so my arsenal - black venom, pride empire, supra rally, purple tank, plastic ball. what do you think?
Seems reasonable to me. In my original arsenal building video I discussed this concept exactly. You can always tweak so the bag leans into the nuances you are dealing with.
After watching this video & reading the comments I am questioning my purchase of both the Motiv Ripcord Launch & the Pride Empire at 16lb. i purchased the Ripcord Launch because I wanted a ball with more length & backend. The alley I bowl at has inconsistent medium to dry lanes causing my Scandal/S to be hard to control. I also bought the Pride Empire as I wanted to try an asymmetrical ball & it seemed like a good one to start with the low 0.010 int diff. My pro shop also recommended I get them drilled 70 x 4 x 20 due to my bowling style & speed of 16-18 mph. I am looking forward to them both but is there really much difference between the 2 of them?
They could theoretically be in the same bag but what's more important is what does the rest of the bag look like. So if you fit the Launch as your Mid Defined and the Pride Empire as Mid Late, you could be fine. At this point, if you already have them, throw them and see how they feel for you. I know people like to buy new balls and that's cool. But I'm not trying to sell balls with my review. I'm trying to help bowlers make informed decisions. Then of course you're welcome to spend your money anyway you enjoy.
Thank you for the feedback.They will be my only 2 as I plan on retiring the Scandal/S. I am excited to try them both.After reading about the Supra Rally, I started to regret not buying it as a spare / dry lane ball to use along with the Empire instead of the Ripcord Launch. I may still buy it later to try as well as a dry lane ball & to use outside of league.
I’m a two handed bowler and looking to expand my arsenal. I throw Motiv equipment and bowl on sport shots so is it wise to have 2 urethane balls in the 6 ball bag? Current arsenal is: Black Venom, Venom Shock, Carbide Tank, spare ball. Thinking of adding the jackal ghost and the new tank yellowjacket. Or should I go with something like a primal shock instead of the tank? Thank you!
As a beginner to sports shots, still having trouble knowing how to put an arsenal together. Like if its a 45 foot pattern, with 25 mils of oil, but most of the oil is in the front, do you need a smooth control ball with a lot of surface. Or a strong defined pearl?
You have to use practice to help you decide where to start. Shapes of patterns can vary significantly which can lead to alternatives in lane play. You need to play them a bit and build a library of lane play for yourself. When you come across a particular pattern, you can do some research on lane play for it but your specific lanes will dictate how it plays.
Great video but I didn't see the ripcord launch in any of your bag arsenal. I understand not all balls fit everyone's game but I have been eying that ball for awhile. I normally use rotogrip or storm. How do u feel about ripcord launch for a lefty 2 hander?
I have a full review on it as I’m sure you know but what I tried to do here is at least tell you where it fits. If you follow that part, you can certainly fit it in the bag. But for example I don’t see huge benefit to having it and a sky raptor in a 6 ball bag. If you have 9 ball, sure.
Great content as always. Question for you, I carry a 4 ball arsenal with 2 of those spots dedicated to the jackal ghost and my plastic spare ball. My other 3 I rotate in are the T10, the Supra Enzo, and the new primal shock. Based off of your video seems like the Enzo can hold its own spot and maybe the most overlap is between the T10 and primal. Between those two and based on the other balls in my Arsenal would you lean one way vs the other? Or am I wrong about the Enzo deserving a slot? Thanks again for all of your insight!
What's interesting is all 3 have some level of overlap. Primal will be the strongest, the T10, then Enzo. I'd probably go Priam and Enzo to create enough space for a good arsenal coverage.
Three ball bag. All Motiv balls. Venom Shock as benchmark... What to pack as a ball up and a ball down ? What Motiv ball for the fresh? What motiv ball for the burn?
Motiv's lineup is very strange at the moment, with a lot of gaps and a lot of overlap. The pride empire and ripcord launch are the same ball, for all intents and purposes. It's like carrying a melee jab and a kinetic black ice, there's just no reason. Pick the color you like more Same goes for the sky raptor and mythic jackal, though the jackal is going to be quite a bit earlier The forge flare is way out in left field, similar to the track stealth when they really needed a phaze ii equivalent in the lineup. The primal shock and venom shock likewise, where the primal just has a stronger core. 75% of ball motion is due to the cover, meaning that the difference between the balls is marginal. The primal is supposed to roll earlier, that's it. Even the black venom doesn't really fit, when you already have a venom shock. It's just a bit stronger cover. Pick one or the other. The jackal ambush and ghost. Same thing, if you want a ghost the hooks in your back swing, get the ambush. If you're reasonable, go with the ghost. It explains why EJ throws the venom shock so much, he doesn't have a choice.
There’s a lot here and I can agree with a good bit of it. At the end of the day, that’s why I created this video, to help people look at what compliment vs overlap and help make informed decisions where you spend your hard-earned money.
Love your channel. I'd love a recommendation for a Motiv Asym to put in my bag, typical league thats often medium/dry as my house doesn't oil before hand. Often throwing on open bowling lanes from the weekends. I currently have a Rogue Assassin at 1500 to 2000 grit, and a Nomad Pearl with 3000 grit, plus a poly spare ball. I want to replace the Nomad with the asym and I dont know if the Jackal Ghost is too much ball. Sometimes oil is heavy so it would be useful. I use the Rogue Assassin usually through game 2 and switch to the nomad late 2/ game 3. Any help is appreciated 👍
Thanks! Jackal ghost is a great ball and easily a step up from the assassin. So if you’re ok with having ghost, assassin, nomad pearl then that would be the way to go. If you’re looking to replace the nomad pearl, I don’t think any current asym will fit that slot really.
@@TamerBowling I appreciate it! The problem is my nomad is full of gouges and cracks beyond what resurfacing will be able to fix. I picked up the assassin a few years ago to try out the motiv line and I love it. With the surfaces I get similar performance and I've only thrown the assassin this season. I figured using the ghost game 1 to the assassin mid 2nd would be a good response to high traffic on the right side of the lane.
@@DimlitKightif you want to replace the nomad pearl, there are a couple of options with Motiv as well. Given how old it is, the fatal venom will probably be closest to the way it rolls now. Or vip ejx will probably roll more like the way the nomad pearl used to roll when it was newer.
@@TamerBowling thanks so much. I've been on the fence for what would be best for my bag and the fatal venom, black venom, and jackal ghost are all good options for different reasons. I've got an appointment with my pro shop so I'll work with him to narrow it down from there. Appreciate the advice!
Fresh, you want to keep your angles closed so play as direct as possible with a ball that doesn't change direction massively. So the MCP balls would be ideal to start. Then you kind of have to see how it breaks down. It's tough so you have to be satisfied with not giving away the pocket as opposed to trying to find the perfect strike.
Can anyone roughly describe to me in the difference in board the black venom, jackal ghost and the primal shock will cover. I am not sure if my rev rate is high enough to use a black venom on a medium-high volume lane because I more of a speed-dominant 2 hander with a jackal ghost. Thanks
Right now . My top 2 are in my bag right now is Trident Nemesis and Venmo Fatal still try to figure out ball #3 in my bag . I have Venmo Blue Coral and Pride Empire and Forza Redline and Tag .what do you think ball #3 would be good
thinking the blue coral might add something different. There's a lot of overlap. Could also add something skid flip like Pride Empire if you don't need anything to handle a little more oil.
I put the ripcord launch in the mid defined category whereas the pride empire I had in mid late. That essentially implies the launch can handle possibly a bit more volume. Shape wise the launch feels a bit more hook set while the empire is snappy and a bit rounder. I honestly would not likely have these 2 in the same bag.
@@TamerBowling the ripcord launch is an almost perfect analog for the phaze v and melee jab carbon, being marginally later with marginally less flare than the storm or Brunswick equivalents. All three balls are fairly early and fairly round symmetrical pearls. The asymmetry of the pride should make it roll forwards quicker than the launch, but it's in the kinetic black ice realm of being too insignificant to really matter at all. The balls fill virtually the exact same spot in the bag and overlap basically 100%. Motiv is making some incredibly weird decisions in their lineup as of late. Yeah, we'll put out two benchmark pearls, but we won't even bother to compete with the phaze ii and knockout. We'll give you a hyper strong symmetrical pearl and an incredibly strong asymmetric solid that's basically unusable, but we'll go years without putting out a strong asymmetric pearl.
@@iceman5117 sky raptor is their strong asym pearl as is the mythic jackal. I think phaze ii is very hard to replicate but is needed I agree. Forge ember is meant to fit there but it’s not quite the hit.
@@TamerBowling sky raptor isn't asymmetrical though, and the mythic is a hybrid. The raptor still doesn't turn the corner as hard as something like the absolute or QEP, and the mythic is earlier than either imo
@@iceman5117 raptor turned harder for us than the absolute. It definitely fit in the mid defined category, even though on paper it’s not an asymmetric. It rolls very hook set.
Hey Tamer, I really want to thank you for your videos. I had a problem with bowling balls and overlap. Way to many and a struggle to narrow down to a six ball bag. But your Arsenal building 101 has been an eye opening video! Hands down the easiest way to understand Arsenal building. Thank you for all you and your team do 🙏🏽.
Much appreciated!
@@TamerBowling quick question for you sir, how would you classify the VIP EXJ Sigma?? Thanks in advance for your response.
@@BMcKinney that’ll be a mid late ball
Very nice video great job. Thank you for doing this with just the Motiv Brand.
Thanks for watching. Glad to help!
Ghost, Mythic, Sky Raptor, VIP Affliction, Launch, Recoil, EXJ, Desert Tank. I switch out these depending. Also have a Coral, forge fire, sigma sting. I still play around with. Have a Primal, black, and rally not drilled yet.
This was great, would love to see yhis again with the uodated Motiv bakls. Great video!!!
Just finish my thought here on the Ember from the chat. The Ember will essentially have the same length but it's if you want less backend angle. So it's not really a ball down from something like a Ghost for a breakdown situation.
I would also like to thank you for this video comparison & feedback to my other comment! I love bowling. After losing the ability to drive for medical reasons, bowling is the one thing that is guaranteed to get me out of the house every week other than work & gives me something to do with my mom.
That’s awesome
I’m primarily a Motiv bowler but I have two storm balls in my lineup because the balls have performed very well for me. My bags storm lock and summit. VIP, venom shock,coral, cobra, thrill, spare ball. I couldn’t ask for more out of my gear and haven’t ran into a situation yet where I felt stumped. I do feel fortunate to have a pro shop that has spent countless hours with me to finalize this line and work with my skill sets
Really liked this video, easy to understand. would like to see with Hammer balls.
I really like the gear core. I’m not a ball engineer, but in my mind, I feel like when the ball flips, the gear core rolls like a tire and creates carry through contact in the pocket.
awesome video! I'm a Motiv-only bowler, so this is perfect for. My bag is currently Revolt Uprising, Jackal Ghost, Blue Coral Venom, Pride Empire and a spare ball. Uprising or Ghost are the first out of my bag, I love how the Blue Coral Venom can be a versatile style and the Pride Empire gives me that late kick I need. Probably will add the Black Venom soon.
In the house we bowl at there is a lot of oil carry down vary late in the first game and lasting for much of the 2nd game until it burns up so I switch to the Primal Shock during that condition and boy does it get the job done. Then go back to what I started with ( An old Storm reign supreme) Still ave well over 200 for and old guy well in his 70s---Dave
Recently bought my first Motiv ball Mythic. It's the most useable ball I have. Different patterns, no problem.
This video was really good. Help me understand. The motive line should do the same thing with all the other makers, especially hammer.
@@philmartin4863 would love to but we are not currently able to test with Brunswick pieces.
Good stuff Tamer! I wish you had the Pride solid. I know it's not in the current line up but what a great ball for me on the left. So versatile. I can't really comment on Motiv equipment but since I've been using the Pride solid it has piqued my interest in Motiv. That being said I only bowl on house shots or burned up house shots so something like the Ghost is just too much. I'm thinking the Pride Empire just makes sense. Thank you Tamer I love how you make us think about equipment and it's place in our bags.
Pride straddles the line between strong control and mid control. So you can always build around that. We did test the pride solid but it’s not in the lineup anymore so didn’t discuss it.
I am a HUGE Motiv fan. I have tried different brands in my 25 years of bowling (Storm, Track, Global, Brunwick, DV8, Roto Grip), but Motiv is what i wanna stick with. Unfortunatly, Motiv decided to not ship balls to Europe anymore, and my pro shop has a hard time to get them. Right now i have 4 Motiv balls in my Arsenal (Primal Fear, Hydra, Pride and Primal Shock) and 1 DV8 (i won that ball in a tournament)
I really like how they fit so well together. So when i bowl a tournament, i now almost always start with my Pride, which is my Benchmark ball. Based on what i see on the lane, i can change to my Primal Fear if i want the more Angular motion, or Hydra if the Fear is too strong.
And if it's really oily i use my Primal Shock, which i got this year and is a beast for the tougher patterns.
Still missing in my arsenal is a Jackal Ghost or Ambush (or maybe i should get both)
I am hoping Motiv comes back from it's decision and will start shipping to Europe again. There are a lot of Motiv fans out here, and would be a shame if i had to change my gear again to a different brand
Wow wasn’t aware you couldn’t get Motiv where you are. Hopefully you will be able to get it but if not, other brands can fill the spot.
@@TamerBowling Yeah, it's a real shame. And i am aware of other brands, i just really like the Motiv gear. Storm is a brand i would never go back to, because of the smell they use on their balls, and they make me sick (tried different once in the past, and they all had that effect) Track i have had 3 balls, that all broke down within first year, so nope!
If Motiv is really not available anymore by my pro shop, i'd probably switch to Global or Brunswick
It's really hard to make a list like this when so many gems were discontinued in the past couple years, Tank Blitz chief among them. Trident Horizon would be in my bag for sure as well.
I kept it to active balls but honestly it’s not hard to include discontinued balls. Just put them in the part of the bag they belong and don’t look at a similar ball reaction. So if you have a trident horizon then don’t look at the sky raptor, mythic jackal, or ripcord launch. People get into trouble when they see a ball they REALLY like and want. They get it only to now be confused when to use it compared to a similar slot they already have filled. But then a used ball always rolls different than a fresh one so then they’re even more thrown off.
Jackal Ambush (pin up right), Sky Raptor (pin up deep), Primal Shock (pin up deep), Black Venom (pin up above bridge), Purple Shock (pin in palm), Blue Coral Venom (pin up right) Fatal Venom (pin up above bridge), Supra Rally (pin up above bridge)... Which five should be added to the arsenal bag along with the spare ball (Laser Sniper)?
It will be sport shot (medium and long WTBA patterns).
Ambush, sky, primal with maybe 2k, assuming purple is venom, and Supra rally.
@@TamerBowling I listed two different arsenal bag options before asking you to see if we think the same or not. I'm surprised to find out that we got the same list. Option 1: ambush, sky, primal shock, venom shock, and supra rally. Option 2: Sky, Primal Shock, Black Venom (1000 Grit), Venom shock, and supra rally. I'm glad that we think the same thing.
@@J9Dalton I like option 1 especially because you mentioned a medium long sport pattern. Don’t know the volume but I think you have good coverage.
I would like to see your Storm arsenal & when to use them. I have a mixture of Motiv and Storm products. Between the two brands I’m sure a could build something close.
thanks tamer for the great discussion. here, many centres have low volume of oil and I am a lefty. so my arsenal - black venom, pride empire, supra rally, purple tank, plastic ball. what do you think?
Seems reasonable to me. In my original arsenal building video I discussed this concept exactly. You can always tweak so the bag leans into the nuances you are dealing with.
@@TamerBowling thanks tamer for the reply
After watching this video & reading the comments I am questioning my purchase of both the Motiv Ripcord Launch & the Pride Empire at 16lb. i purchased the Ripcord Launch because I wanted a ball with more length & backend. The alley I bowl at has inconsistent medium to dry lanes causing my Scandal/S to be hard to control. I also bought the Pride Empire as I wanted to try an asymmetrical ball & it seemed like a good one to start with the low 0.010 int diff. My pro shop also recommended I get them drilled 70 x 4 x 20 due to my bowling style & speed of 16-18 mph. I am looking forward to them both but is there really much difference between the 2 of them?
They could theoretically be in the same bag but what's more important is what does the rest of the bag look like. So if you fit the Launch as your Mid Defined and the Pride Empire as Mid Late, you could be fine. At this point, if you already have them, throw them and see how they feel for you.
I know people like to buy new balls and that's cool. But I'm not trying to sell balls with my review. I'm trying to help bowlers make informed decisions. Then of course you're welcome to spend your money anyway you enjoy.
Thank you for the feedback.They will be my only 2 as I plan on retiring the Scandal/S. I am excited to try them both.After reading about the Supra Rally, I started to regret not buying it as a spare / dry lane ball to use along with the Empire instead of the Ripcord Launch. I may still buy it later to try as well as a dry lane ball & to use outside of league.
What about doing a cross-brand bag and some alternatives?
I did some examples of that in my original arsenal 101 video. Check that out. Will try to do another video soon hopefully.
I just got the Trident Odyssey, I have the Paranoia, and Venom Blue Coral. I was thinking about the Pride Empire and Black Venom.
Pride empire probably adds something different to the bag. Black venom and coral are too close imo in terms of use case.
I’m a two handed bowler and looking to expand my arsenal. I throw Motiv equipment and bowl on sport shots so is it wise to have 2 urethane balls in the 6 ball bag? Current arsenal is: Black Venom, Venom Shock, Carbide Tank, spare ball. Thinking of adding the jackal ghost and the new tank yellowjacket. Or should I go with something like a primal shock instead of the tank? Thank you!
I don’t know much about the yellow yet so can’t say. Primal is pretty close to the venom shock. I think the ghost would be a better add
As a beginner to sports shots, still having trouble knowing how to put an arsenal together. Like if its a 45 foot pattern, with 25 mils of oil, but most of the oil is in the front, do you need a smooth control ball with a lot of surface. Or a strong defined pearl?
You have to use practice to help you decide where to start. Shapes of patterns can vary significantly which can lead to alternatives in lane play. You need to play them a bit and build a library of lane play for yourself. When you come across a particular pattern, you can do some research on lane play for it but your specific lanes will dictate how it plays.
Nice video Tamer
Can you a Motiv video bowling on wolf?
Great video but I didn't see the ripcord launch in any of your bag arsenal. I understand not all balls fit everyone's game but I have been eying that ball for awhile. I normally use rotogrip or storm. How do u feel about ripcord launch for a lefty 2 hander?
I have a full review on it as I’m sure you know but what I tried to do here is at least tell you where it fits. If you follow that part, you can certainly fit it in the bag. But for example I don’t see huge benefit to having it and a sky raptor in a 6 ball bag. If you have 9 ball, sure.
@TamerBowling I completely understand. And I definitely watch and listen to your videos. You do an amazing job keep it up. 💯
Great content as always. Question for you, I carry a 4 ball arsenal with 2 of those spots dedicated to the jackal ghost and my plastic spare ball. My other 3 I rotate in are the T10, the Supra Enzo, and the new primal shock. Based off of your video seems like the Enzo can hold its own spot and maybe the most overlap is between the T10 and primal. Between those two and based on the other balls in my Arsenal would you lean one way vs the other? Or am I wrong about the Enzo deserving a slot? Thanks again for all of your insight!
What's interesting is all 3 have some level of overlap. Primal will be the strongest, the T10, then Enzo. I'd probably go Priam and Enzo to create enough space for a good arsenal coverage.
Thank you sir!
Three ball bag. All Motiv balls. Venom Shock as benchmark... What to pack as a ball up and a ball down ? What Motiv ball for the fresh? What motiv ball for the burn?
Motiv's lineup is very strange at the moment, with a lot of gaps and a lot of overlap.
The pride empire and ripcord launch are the same ball, for all intents and purposes. It's like carrying a melee jab and a kinetic black ice, there's just no reason. Pick the color you like more
Same goes for the sky raptor and mythic jackal, though the jackal is going to be quite a bit earlier
The forge flare is way out in left field, similar to the track stealth when they really needed a phaze ii equivalent in the lineup.
The primal shock and venom shock likewise, where the primal just has a stronger core. 75% of ball motion is due to the cover, meaning that the difference between the balls is marginal. The primal is supposed to roll earlier, that's it.
Even the black venom doesn't really fit, when you already have a venom shock. It's just a bit stronger cover. Pick one or the other.
The jackal ambush and ghost. Same thing, if you want a ghost the hooks in your back swing, get the ambush. If you're reasonable, go with the ghost.
It explains why EJ throws the venom shock so much, he doesn't have a choice.
There’s a lot here and I can agree with a good bit of it. At the end of the day, that’s why I created this video, to help people look at what compliment vs overlap and help make informed decisions where you spend your hard-earned money.
Love your channel. I'd love a recommendation for a Motiv Asym to put in my bag, typical league thats often medium/dry as my house doesn't oil before hand. Often throwing on open bowling lanes from the weekends. I currently have a Rogue Assassin at 1500 to 2000 grit, and a Nomad Pearl with 3000 grit, plus a poly spare ball. I want to replace the Nomad with the asym and I dont know if the Jackal Ghost is too much ball. Sometimes oil is heavy so it would be useful. I use the Rogue Assassin usually through game 2 and switch to the nomad late 2/ game 3. Any help is appreciated 👍
Thanks! Jackal ghost is a great ball and easily a step up from the assassin. So if you’re ok with having ghost, assassin, nomad pearl then that would be the way to go. If you’re looking to replace the nomad pearl, I don’t think any current asym will fit that slot really.
@@TamerBowling I appreciate it! The problem is my nomad is full of gouges and cracks beyond what resurfacing will be able to fix. I picked up the assassin a few years ago to try out the motiv line and I love it. With the surfaces I get similar performance and I've only thrown the assassin this season. I figured using the ghost game 1 to the assassin mid 2nd would be a good response to high traffic on the right side of the lane.
@@DimlitKightif you want to replace the nomad pearl, there are a couple of options with Motiv as well. Given how old it is, the fatal venom will probably be closest to the way it rolls now. Or vip ejx will probably roll more like the way the nomad pearl used to roll when it was newer.
@@TamerBowling thanks so much. I've been on the fence for what would be best for my bag and the fatal venom, black venom, and jackal ghost are all good options for different reasons. I've got an appointment with my pro shop so I'll work with him to narrow it down from there. Appreciate the advice!
@@DimlitKightsounds good. Good luck!
What would you use if you are bowling on the Bear pattern?
Fresh, you want to keep your angles closed so play as direct as possible with a ball that doesn't change direction massively. So the MCP balls would be ideal to start. Then you kind of have to see how it breaks down. It's tough so you have to be satisfied with not giving away the pocket as opposed to trying to find the perfect strike.
Can anyone roughly describe to me in the difference in board the black venom, jackal ghost and the primal shock will cover. I am not sure if my rev rate is high enough to use a black venom on a medium-high volume lane because I more of a speed-dominant 2 hander with a jackal ghost. Thanks
Right now . My top 2 are in my bag right now is Trident Nemesis and Venmo Fatal still try to figure out ball #3 in my bag . I have Venmo Blue Coral and Pride Empire and Forza Redline and Tag .what do you think ball #3 would be good
thinking the blue coral might add something different. There's a lot of overlap. Could also add something skid flip like Pride Empire if you don't need anything to handle a little more oil.
My dream motiv arsenal ambush carbide tank venom shock coral venom black venom sky raptor
Do you have any thoughts on ripcord launch vs pride empire? They seem and look like the exact same ball
I put the ripcord launch in the mid defined category whereas the pride empire I had in mid late. That essentially implies the launch can handle possibly a bit more volume. Shape wise the launch feels a bit more hook set while the empire is snappy and a bit rounder. I honestly would not likely have these 2 in the same bag.
@@TamerBowling the ripcord launch is an almost perfect analog for the phaze v and melee jab carbon, being marginally later with marginally less flare than the storm or Brunswick equivalents. All three balls are fairly early and fairly round symmetrical pearls.
The asymmetry of the pride should make it roll forwards quicker than the launch, but it's in the kinetic black ice realm of being too insignificant to really matter at all.
The balls fill virtually the exact same spot in the bag and overlap basically 100%. Motiv is making some incredibly weird decisions in their lineup as of late.
Yeah, we'll put out two benchmark pearls, but we won't even bother to compete with the phaze ii and knockout. We'll give you a hyper strong symmetrical pearl and an incredibly strong asymmetric solid that's basically unusable, but we'll go years without putting out a strong asymmetric pearl.
@@iceman5117 sky raptor is their strong asym pearl as is the mythic jackal. I think phaze ii is very hard to replicate but is needed I agree. Forge ember is meant to fit there but it’s not quite the hit.
@@TamerBowling sky raptor isn't asymmetrical though, and the mythic is a hybrid. The raptor still doesn't turn the corner as hard as something like the absolute or QEP, and the mythic is earlier than either imo
@@iceman5117 raptor turned harder for us than the absolute. It definitely fit in the mid defined category, even though on paper it’s not an asymmetric. It rolls very hook set.
Do you have that 4 block chart for all the balls you have reviewed?
I’ve been contemplating ways for this. Problem is I’ve reviewed 100s of balls.