I keep coming back to this review years later. Such a good machine for the money. The fact that it run 6010 is amazing. This would be an excellent emergency field welder.
@bigtb1717 Do you remember what the max setting in stick mode was on 120v ? I have two of these now and they max out @ 85 amps on 120v in stick mode. The site states "120 amps stick mode, 130 amps tig mode on 120v"
Also, the tig on both will only initiate with use of the pedal. Neither unit will function in tig mode without use of the pedal. Did you use it without the pedal ?
@@floridastate3247 someone on another channel (i can't remember where) figured out the pin out for the pedal and you can now buy and use a "Tig Button" hand controller.
Excellent "look-inside" review, covering build-quality and design-quality observations. They reveal the Klutch to be a step or two above many Chinese imports, and a great value. Your reviews are a much-appreciated public service. By educating buyers about features worth having, buyers begin to ask for and expect them. This can prod Chinese manufacturers into adding features such as Power Factor Correction, higher quality foot pedals, clamps and cables, quieter, more effective fans, better/safer layout of circuit boards and capacitors, etc. To be sure, the Chinese manufacturers are aiming to capture the low end/entry-level portion of the market. Correct me if necessary, but at a given price point, Chinese-made welders tend to have more features, while models from well-established "Western" companies tend to be better built, seemingly more durable, but with fewer features.
I just stumbled onto your site because I’m considering this Klutch welder. I have had a 200 amp Klutch stick welder for years and I absolutely love it. It’s the best stick welder I have owned. Anyway your review is excellent. I really appreciate your opening up the machine and showing me the design and build quality. Your detail of this review is fantastic. Bar none, it’s right up there with the heavyweights like Mr Tig. And in all honesty, he doesn’t open up machines…. Or review them. But your review shows me that you know your stuff. SUBSCRIBED. THANKS AGAIN.
Thanks for your great reviews! This seem to be a shockingly great machine for the price. The big name brands should fear devices like this. I´ve just seen your Miller Thunderbolt 160 vs. Yeswelder comparision and i am actually wondering why anybody should buy the miller instead of this machine. Both comes with three years waryarranty and the build quality ist great. I relly like the tunnel desing which helps keeping the grinding dust away from the PCBs. Even if used only as a stick welder it seems to easily outperform the miller in terms of welding behaviours but costs 100$ less. But then it is also a complete DC TIG welder with reliable HF start and the included foot pedal...
I agree. I love a lot of Miller machines. There are a few that just feel nicer to use than just about anything else. They are also crazy money. But for the money a Thunderbolt 160/210 costs, I'd buy this Klutch for sure.
As of August 2023 Northern tool specs claim this model does 120amps max in stick mode on 120 volts. I'm curious if this model has been updated or if they are claiming bogus specs.
As far as I know, the max output in stick mode on 120V was always 120A. 120V input only allowed 130 amps of output in TIG mode. I may not have been super clear about that in the video, but I do mention the output being lower in stick mode. The model I have has a max of 200A and 130A in TIG mode (for 240V and 120V, respectively), while stick mode maxes out at 180 and 120 amps on 240 and 120V.
Just ordered the mp251silcd, its the 250 amp m.t.s version. I looked at the everlast , weldopro, ahp, and a bunch of Amazon welders. This one seemed like the best option for me. Your review helped alot with understanding what's under the hood, and I like the fact that a can return it locally. Thank you
A step up from this model is the Klutch MP230SiDV, which adds MIG welding capability and comes very complete: MIG and TIG torches, spool gun, dual gauge regulator, work cable/clamp, electrode cable/holder, gas hose...quite impressive. I posted a question at the Northern Tool website: "Does this model feature Power Factor Correction?" and await any response. The unit is currently on 30-day (possibly longer) backorder, which suggests it is popular with users. Btw, I am not compensated by any entity for writing these comments.
I would still probably get an everlast over this machine, but man I'm really impressed. Hopefully this machine forces companies to start adding foot pedals with the machines instead of charging people 100+ for something that's a US standard at this point.
@@bigtb1717 I am biast, as I've been only happy with my purchase, and they hooked me up with a new model fresh off the boat cause they were currently out of stock when I ordered mine. End of year sale, shipped to my house, less than 575 for the 200 amp DC tig. But generally speaking I think it's worth that price overall even without them having nice customer support that was real honest about how long it could take to get to me. I have no complaints about the build quality, I dont really break them down like you, but after watching countless reviews I did look it over probably more than others. Tig torch was better than expected, came with the sleeve and button already installed and I like the stinger it comes with, even if it's not miller quality. The nobs feel quality on the display. My only real complaints are the power switch feeling flimsy and not coming with the economy pedal that everlast offers. 5 year warranty also is a huge plus.
Hugong makes this machine. They seem to make some models for Metalman. I wound up ordering a machine from Canada rebranded as Crossfire for an AC/DC but it arrived banged up in shipping. it seems Metalman has a model as well but it's got a weird UI. Apparently Weldmark brought in some from them but only a cheap MIG. It's kind of sad that they aren't on AliExpress and Alibaba requires 50 qty orders. Two other places I've found the Hugong Wave/200/KDE we're Ukraine and Russia so that's probably a no go. It seems to be a solid welding manufacturer that just seems mostly out of reach stateside aside for acdc stateside aside from the one Metalman option and this DC only machine
I'm shocked just by the fact that the variable output amperage is exactly what it says it is.. Like you, I'm also not a fan of the large torch, but it's certainly workable! I experienced that same feeling over the pedal as well, definitely on the rougher side, although I wonder if that can be taken apart and modified\smoothed out? I need to add another dedicated line for the 240v side of things, though. My only other one is a 20a receptacle reserved for the air compressor (also from Northern Tool, lol). Wonder if I can get away with just TIG welding on there since it's going to be lower amperage and more controlled, anyway. Solid review 👌
@@BudMasta The problem is that the panel itself is from the mid-70s, mostly has GE type breakers, and is close to maxed out as is . I've already got a 20/20 240v installed running to a separate receptacle for my 60 gallon compressor. It seems, in my small-brain unprofessional opinion, that my only option is to tie into the very bottom of the panel (30a HVAC, basically) using a GE Quad 30 assuming I can even find it or MAYBE jump back up to the top of the panel and use a square D 20/30. Landlord has been super cool about panel add-ons, but I honestly just might have to wait till I move before I really get to make full use out of this welder's capabilities due to this panel's age and bare minimum, shade-tree wiring the landlord did 😒
I kinda doubt you'd have much success improving the pedal if you take it apart. Honestly, it might get a little better with use as things wear in and the grease pushes out of the gears a bit. After paying close attention to the behavior of the welder, I think it may be a combination of factors. I think the welder may have a small number of steps in terms of remote amperage control.
@@bigtb1717 Do you mean that the pedal is supplying analog response to operator input but the circuitry in the machine recognizes only a small number of discrete steps?
Is it still running smooth and how many hrs on it 120 vs 240V looking at buying one. After a couple months of using this machine. Run it on 220V, and it is a beast. Duty cycle is a non issue. Tig (GTAW) runs like a dream and Stick (SMAW) 3/16 6010 6011runs awesome 1/8 7018 Runs good as well uphill and overhead is no problem Buy this machine and don't look back. Mine has over 80hrs on it.
Thanks for the review! I am surprised there is not more info on this welder out there as it's a pretty dang great package for the money. High frequency TIG, Pulse, Arc Force, Hot Start, PFC, 6010 capable, and 200 Amp dual voltage for $400? The only two drawbacks that I see are that it doesn't have an option for a torch trigger and it apparently weighs 44lbs? Is that true? That seems like it's a mistake.... Would you be willing to weigh yours?
It's been a while since I've messed with this welder, but I was considering making a follow up video. I don't think it's 44 lbs. Maybe the entire package, including the cables and everything. I'm guessing more like 20-ish pounds. But I'll weigh it when I get a chance.
@@bigtb1717 No worries! I just did a bunch of SMAW testing on it and I am very pleased with this welder. The stinger that comes with it, while seemingly a bit chintzy, is actually quite nice and light. I have only run it on 240 so far, but it's done great with 1/8" 7018 and 1/8" 6010. I did a bunch of 3G 1/8" 7018 with it and it was a treat to run-- literally perfect. It does kill the arc on 6010 really quick if you try and long arc just a hair too far, but it lets it go plenty long enough to be functional on open root, just got to be careful. I definitely would prefer if it would hold that arc rather than kill it, but I can't complain too much. I tried running a 5/32" 7018 on it at full blast and it did run it, but not well and you could tell it was struggling. The arc force and hot start adjustment is perfect on it. I have some 3/32 7018 in the mail and will try that on 120V this weekend, but so far I am extremely pleased with this little stick machine. I will run it through its paces on TIG too and report back. So far though, I have to admit this is an excellent 240V stick welder for an incredible price.
I've never done any pipe welding. I'm not against trying it, but I might not be the best comment on how well or poorly a machine does at welding pipe, since I have no experience and it's likely to go poorly for me one way or another, lol. I'm open to giving it a shot. I'll see if I can get some pipe test kits so I can try some pipe welding. If I manage to get some I'll let you know how it goes.
Great review as usual… Two questions please, does it run on 50/60 Hz or only 60Hz, spec sheet doesn't mention frequency? Also, do you know if the foot pedal could be upgraded from say SSC Controls?
I don't know if SSC makes a pedal specifically for this machine, but I'm sure it's possible. You could probably contact them and see what your options are. My guess is that it would work on 50 Hz, but I can't say for sure. I'll look at the data tag on the welder when I get a chance and see if it says 50/60 Hz.
This looks like a feature rich welder for a good price. It looks like the foot pedal though is just a on/off switch. Is that how you thought that it worked? If so can another foot pedal work with this welder? Thanks for the excellent reviews.
The pedal is not just an on off switch. It does control amperage. It doesn't have super fine control, but it definitely controls the amperage. I don't know of any other pedal for this welder, unfortunately. I may try to find other pedal options at some point, but I haven't had a chance yet.
hey this power correction thing makes a big different running this on 120V after watching your review very good machine for the money !!!! Do you still own this?
Dude, that's a bad a$$ welder for the price......I'm actually in the market for a tig/stick welder......I'm ready to upgrade from my Old AC/DC Century Buzz box.....thanks for the review
Is it possible for you to measure the open circuit voltage on this welder I am interested in welding open root with 6010 and I know it take quite high open circuit voltage.. I have contacted Northern Tool and asked about viewing a user guide but they said they don't have one available at this time. Also the online ad claims that is will weld 120 amps on 120 volts. Did you find that to be true . Thanks
I'll have to test the open circuit voltage when I get a chance. I did find this welder to run 6010 surprisingly well, but I'm certainly no pipe welder. I'll test the open circuit voltage when I get a chance. I did find the max output claims to be accurate. I can't remember if 120 amps of output on 120V input was just for TIG, or if that was for stick as well. I feel like stick output was slightly lower, but I'll have to double check that as well.
Is it possible to put together or adapt a standard tig start switch? Looks like a very solid welder. I generally don't use a foot pedal on anything but aluminum.
It should be possible, but as you say, it would likely take some "adapting." I don't think they make a specific torch switch for this welder (I could be wrong though). When I get time I'll check into it a little.
@@bigtb1717 I appreciate it. I would buy it just for 6010 and the accurate power level readings. I also want to try and set it up for pulsed stick welding using the TIG setting. the 6061 youtube channel showed this off in ruclips.net/video/YzD0riaTXiw/видео.html would be an incredible field repair option with this welder.
Fingertip amperage controls absolutely exist. There are multiple styles including sliders, vertical and horizontal wheels/knobs, and more. Unfortunately there is nothing specifically for the welder. If you could find one with the correct resistance you could install the correct connector and it should work. But there is nothing ready-made for this welder as far as I'm aware.
I guess you don’t need it because your creating your own slope from the pedal. I’ve looked at many cheap welders and kept coming back to this one. Everything I need and more plus the business is local with a good warranty. Thanks for the video, it really helped make my decision.
I'm happy I could help. I hope it works out for you. I agree, that if you are using a foot pedal, you don't need up and downslope. Mainly it comes in handy if you are using a torch switch or some other on/off arc control, rather than a variable control.
Klutch does use that specific term (PFC - Power Factor Correction) but it isn't a term they made up or anything. Power factor correction is just that: it is an attempt to correct a low power factor in order to bring it closer to 1 (unity). This brings the apparent power closer to the real power. A poor power factor will result in a much higher "apparent" power and that means the supply circuit will have a higher amperage on it than what the "real" power might suggest.
@@bigtb1717 Ah, good. Klutch didn't decide to use some terminology of their own creation to describe Power Factor Correction, which is the common-use term. Some manufacturers will invent a term to describe the circuit or feature they install on a device, to insinuate that no other competitor's device has such a circuit or feature. A closer look at Power Factor Correction is probably beyond the scope of this particular product review, but the topic itself is, perhaps, worthy of its own video? It could be titled "Why Your Welder Should Have Power Factor Correction," and delve just a bit more into how and why AC circuits that contain inductive elements in which current is out of phase with voltage can feature both resistance and inductive reactance. Some people who weld may wonder why their particular welder model or brand is more prone to tripping a circuit breaker, and appreciate learning about Real Power, Apparent Power, what is happening as the magnetic field in the inductor is expanding and collapsing, and why they want their welder model to have Power Factor Correction.
I have thought about getting a power quality analyzer for years. It would allow me to show what is actually going on and explain it a bit better in a video. It would also let me easily test and compare different welders. I know it's possible to test power factor in cheaper ways, but it get's a little tough when you are talking about a welder that might draw as much as 50 amps. Plus, a power quality analyzer would allow me to show graphically show what is going on. A video just on power factor is probably beyond what most people really care about, but it could be interesting. I'll think about it.
Can you weld aluminum with it. If it can I'll pick one up. I just can't find out for sure. I can weld steel and stainless well with mig and stick but not Tig but I've been needing to weld aluminum recently. If it can what do I need. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
@@bigtb1717 Thank you for the information It's greatly appreciated. I'll keep trying to find a good value TIG welder then. Just gotta make sure it's AC.
When I get a chance to test this out, I will. I'll test the draw when running 90 amps of output in stick mode and let you know. Heck, I'll even try running it on a 15 amp circuit. It will be at least the weekend before I get a chance to test this though.
I just got mine and don't understand the Maintained remote control setting, it refers to "remote fingertip control button" what is this and where is it located?
A remote fingertip button isn't included. I don't know if they actually sell one at the moment or not. Normally it would mount on the torch and allow you to turn the arc on and off by pushing that button. But, the "Maintained" control is basically the equivalent 4T control. If you were using a fingertip control button it would normally turn the arc on when you push and hold the button and turn the arc off when you release the button. "Maintained" is like 4T, which means you would press and release the button to turn on the arc, then press and release the button again to turn the arc back off. This would allow you to weld for an extended time without having to hold the button down.
Yes. Just like the foot pedal, except you can't control the amperage. The amperage will just be whatever you set it at when using a control button like that.
Mine took well over a month to arrive. Unfortunately, there are major shortages on a lot of stuff these days. I really hope Northern Tool isn't intentionally giving people the run-around, but I know a lot of stuff is slow right now. I ordered a Miller welder earlier this year and it took about two months to ship. I ordered some welding cable three months ago and it still hasn't shipped. I ordered a Rode microphone that estimated 2-4 weeks before it would ship. It has been two months and it hasn't shipped. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending them if they are being dishonest. But it's entirely possible the shipping dates are getting pushed back on the other end for them too.
And one little point I'll give to Northern Tool: I wasn't charged for the ST201iDV until it shipped. The stuff I mentioned in my other comment, I was charged for the moment I ordered it, despite being months before any of it shipped (still waiting for the welding cable and mic to ship).
Thanks for the reply! Yeah I can understand, the whole world is on backorder, so I get it. I'm just frustrated being told one date, then it comes and goes. However I'm running out of time and I'm considering the Primeweld CT520D now. What are your thoughts? I'm fairly new to welding and my primary interest is tinkinering with TIG. Are the lack of tig features worth the trade off for a plasma cutter? (Mostly hobby welding and the random fixes that come up time to time)
Unfortunately, I haven't used any of the Primeweld stuff, so I can't say one way or another if it's any good. In general, plasma cutters are awesome, but it's not something everyone will use much. Just depends on the types of projects you get into. Where about are you located?
For now I'm building window well grates and fixing the exhaust on my truck so it will be little projects like that, then maybe some random artsy type stuff. I'm in Idaho
I keep coming back to this review years later. Such a good machine for the money. The fact that it run 6010 is amazing. This would be an excellent emergency field welder.
It really is one of the best value machines I've tested.
@bigtb1717 Do you remember what the max setting in stick mode was on 120v ? I have two of these now and they max out @ 85 amps on 120v in stick mode.
The site states "120 amps stick mode, 130 amps tig mode on 120v"
Also, the tig on both will only initiate with use of the pedal. Neither unit will function in tig mode without use of the pedal. Did you use it without the pedal ?
@@floridastate3247 someone on another channel (i can't remember where) figured out the pin out for the pedal and you can now buy and use a "Tig Button" hand controller.
Excellent "look-inside" review, covering build-quality and design-quality observations. They reveal the Klutch to be a step or two above many Chinese imports, and a great value.
Your reviews are a much-appreciated public service. By educating buyers about features worth having, buyers begin to ask for and expect them.
This can prod Chinese manufacturers into adding features such as Power Factor Correction, higher quality foot pedals, clamps and cables, quieter, more effective fans, better/safer layout of circuit boards and capacitors, etc.
To be sure, the Chinese manufacturers are aiming to capture the low end/entry-level portion of the market.
Correct me if necessary, but at a given price point, Chinese-made welders tend to have more features, while models from well-established "Western" companies tend to be better built, seemingly more durable, but with fewer features.
I just stumbled onto your site because I’m considering this Klutch welder. I have had a 200 amp Klutch stick welder for years and I absolutely love it. It’s the best stick welder I have owned. Anyway your review is excellent. I really appreciate your opening up the machine and showing me the design and build quality. Your detail of this review is fantastic. Bar none, it’s right up there with the heavyweights like Mr Tig. And in all honesty, he doesn’t open up machines…. Or review them. But your review shows me that you know your stuff. SUBSCRIBED. THANKS AGAIN.
Good honest review. I've watched most of your welder reviews & you get into the details of build, design, construction and the welders performance.
It’s back ordered for 30+ days but I’ve been looking to get into tig for so long, It’s worth the wait
Took me around a month to get this one after I ordered it.
did you do any upgrades to your welder, as in the foot pedal and torch?
Great review, good pace, no run-off-at-the-mouth narration ... Thanks! 👍
Great video man, I wish I had bought this over the harbor freight titanium 200, the klutch has a lot going for it for the price
Thanks for your great reviews!
This seem to be a shockingly great machine for the price. The big name brands should fear devices like this.
I´ve just seen your Miller Thunderbolt 160 vs. Yeswelder comparision and i am actually wondering why anybody should buy the miller instead of this machine. Both comes with three years waryarranty and the build quality ist great. I relly like the tunnel desing which helps keeping the grinding dust away from the PCBs.
Even if used only as a stick welder it seems to easily outperform the miller in terms of welding behaviours but costs 100$ less.
But then it is also a complete DC TIG welder with reliable HF start and the included foot pedal...
I agree. I love a lot of Miller machines. There are a few that just feel nicer to use than just about anything else. They are also crazy money. But for the money a Thunderbolt 160/210 costs, I'd buy this Klutch for sure.
As of August 2023 Northern tool specs claim this model does 120amps max in stick mode on 120 volts.
I'm curious if this model has been updated or if they are claiming bogus specs.
As far as I know, the max output in stick mode on 120V was always 120A. 120V input only allowed 130 amps of output in TIG mode. I may not have been super clear about that in the video, but I do mention the output being lower in stick mode. The model I have has a max of 200A and 130A in TIG mode (for 240V and 120V, respectively), while stick mode maxes out at 180 and 120 amps on 240 and 120V.
Just ordered the mp251silcd, its the 250 amp m.t.s version. I looked at the everlast , weldopro, ahp, and a bunch of Amazon welders. This one seemed like the best option for me.
Your review helped alot with understanding what's under the hood, and I like the fact that a can return it locally. Thank you
Really thorough review. Good job!
A step up from this model is the Klutch MP230SiDV, which adds MIG welding capability and comes very complete: MIG and TIG torches, spool gun, dual gauge regulator, work cable/clamp, electrode cable/holder, gas hose...quite impressive.
I posted a question at the Northern Tool website: "Does this model feature Power Factor Correction?" and await any response.
The unit is currently on 30-day (possibly longer) backorder, which suggests it is popular with users.
Btw, I am not compensated by any entity for writing these comments.
It seems like a lot of things are backordered these days. I don't doubt it is popular, but it's hard to get a lot of things right now.
@@bigtb1717 And Northern Tool reports back that the MP230SiDV does not feature Power Factor Correction, btw.
I would still probably get an everlast over this machine, but man I'm really impressed. Hopefully this machine forces companies to start adding foot pedals with the machines instead of charging people 100+ for something that's a US standard at this point.
What leads you to prefer Everlast? Just curious. I don't have extensive experience with either one.
@@bigtb1717 I am biast, as I've been only happy with my purchase, and they hooked me up with a new model fresh off the boat cause they were currently out of stock when I ordered mine. End of year sale, shipped to my house, less than 575 for the 200 amp DC tig. But generally speaking I think it's worth that price overall even without them having nice customer support that was real honest about how long it could take to get to me. I have no complaints about the build quality, I dont really break them down like you, but after watching countless reviews I did look it over probably more than others. Tig torch was better than expected, came with the sleeve and button already installed and I like the stinger it comes with, even if it's not miller quality. The nobs feel quality on the display. My only real complaints are the power switch feeling flimsy and not coming with the economy pedal that everlast offers. 5 year warranty also is a huge plus.
Hey, nothing wrong with having a preference. Thanks for sharing.
Hugong makes this machine. They seem to make some models for Metalman. I wound up ordering a machine from Canada rebranded as Crossfire for an AC/DC but it arrived banged up in shipping. it seems Metalman has a model as well but it's got a weird UI. Apparently Weldmark brought in some from them but only a cheap MIG. It's kind of sad that they aren't on AliExpress and Alibaba requires 50 qty orders. Two other places I've found the Hugong Wave/200/KDE we're Ukraine and Russia so that's probably a no go. It seems to be a solid welding manufacturer that just seems mostly out of reach stateside aside for acdc stateside aside from the one Metalman option and this DC only machine
This reminds me of everlast welders. They may be manufactured by the same company which is a good thing.
Great Review. Thanks
I'm shocked just by the fact that the variable output amperage is exactly what it says it is.. Like you, I'm also not a fan of the large torch, but it's certainly workable! I experienced that same feeling over the pedal as well, definitely on the rougher side, although I wonder if that can be taken apart and modified\smoothed out? I need to add another dedicated line for the 240v side of things, though. My only other one is a 20a receptacle reserved for the air compressor (also from Northern Tool, lol). Wonder if I can get away with just TIG welding on there since it's going to be lower amperage and more controlled, anyway.
Solid review 👌
Anything over 90 amps will cause issues on a standard breaker, atleast in my experience.
@@BudMasta The problem is that the panel itself is from the mid-70s, mostly has GE type breakers, and is close to maxed out as is . I've already got a 20/20 240v installed running to a separate receptacle for my 60 gallon compressor. It seems, in my small-brain unprofessional opinion, that my only option is to tie into the very bottom of the panel (30a HVAC, basically) using a GE Quad 30 assuming I can even find it or MAYBE jump back up to the top of the panel and use a square D 20/30. Landlord has been super cool about panel add-ons, but I honestly just might have to wait till I move before I really get to make full use out of this welder's capabilities due to this panel's age and bare minimum, shade-tree wiring the landlord did 😒
I kinda doubt you'd have much success improving the pedal if you take it apart. Honestly, it might get a little better with use as things wear in and the grease pushes out of the gears a bit.
After paying close attention to the behavior of the welder, I think it may be a combination of factors. I think the welder may have a small number of steps in terms of remote amperage control.
@@bigtb1717 Do you mean that the pedal is supplying analog response to operator input but the circuitry in the machine recognizes only a small number of discrete steps?
Is it still running smooth and how many hrs on it 120 vs 240V looking at buying one.
After a couple months of using this machine. Run it on 220V, and it is a beast. Duty cycle is a non issue.
Tig (GTAW) runs like a dream and Stick (SMAW) 3/16 6010 6011runs awesome 1/8 7018 Runs good as well uphill and overhead is no problem
Buy this machine and don't look back. Mine has over 80hrs on it.
It still works fine. It really doesn't have a lot of use on it though.
Great review. I’ve really been impressed with Nothern Tool. Does the Foot Pedal have a universal connector, and therefore upgradable? Thanks!!!
I'm not sure how common the connector is. I plan to eventually measure the potentiometer in the pedal to see what resistance range it uses.
Thanks for the review! I am surprised there is not more info on this welder out there as it's a pretty dang great package for the money. High frequency TIG, Pulse, Arc Force, Hot Start, PFC, 6010 capable, and 200 Amp dual voltage for $400? The only two drawbacks that I see are that it doesn't have an option for a torch trigger and it apparently weighs 44lbs? Is that true? That seems like it's a mistake.... Would you be willing to weigh yours?
It's been a while since I've messed with this welder, but I was considering making a follow up video. I don't think it's 44 lbs. Maybe the entire package, including the cables and everything. I'm guessing more like 20-ish pounds. But I'll weigh it when I get a chance.
@@bigtb1717 I bought one! It weighs about 17 lbs base-- very pleased.
@@adamr4740 Cool! Sorry I didn't get around to weighing it.
@@bigtb1717 No worries! I just did a bunch of SMAW testing on it and I am very pleased with this welder. The stinger that comes with it, while seemingly a bit chintzy, is actually quite nice and light. I have only run it on 240 so far, but it's done great with 1/8" 7018 and 1/8" 6010. I did a bunch of 3G 1/8" 7018 with it and it was a treat to run-- literally perfect. It does kill the arc on 6010 really quick if you try and long arc just a hair too far, but it lets it go plenty long enough to be functional on open root, just got to be careful. I definitely would prefer if it would hold that arc rather than kill it, but I can't complain too much. I tried running a 5/32" 7018 on it at full blast and it did run it, but not well and you could tell it was struggling. The arc force and hot start adjustment is perfect on it. I have some 3/32 7018 in the mail and will try that on 120V this weekend, but so far I am extremely pleased with this little stick machine. I will run it through its paces on TIG too and report back. So far though, I have to admit this is an excellent 240V stick welder for an incredible price.
Loved the video man. Do you think you could test the machine on pipe??
I've never done any pipe welding. I'm not against trying it, but I might not be the best comment on how well or poorly a machine does at welding pipe, since I have no experience and it's likely to go poorly for me one way or another, lol. I'm open to giving it a shot. I'll see if I can get some pipe test kits so I can try some pipe welding. If I manage to get some I'll let you know how it goes.
@@bigtb1717 thanks man, appreciate it!!
Great review as usual… Two questions please, does it run on 50/60 Hz or only 60Hz, spec sheet doesn't mention frequency? Also, do you know if the foot pedal could be upgraded from say SSC Controls?
I don't know if SSC makes a pedal specifically for this machine, but I'm sure it's possible. You could probably contact them and see what your options are.
My guess is that it would work on 50 Hz, but I can't say for sure. I'll look at the data tag on the welder when I get a chance and see if it says 50/60 Hz.
@@bigtb1717 thanks
This looks like a feature rich welder for a good price. It looks like the foot pedal though is just a on/off switch. Is that how you thought that it worked? If so can another foot pedal work with this welder? Thanks for the excellent reviews.
The pedal is not just an on off switch. It does control amperage. It doesn't have super fine control, but it definitely controls the amperage. I don't know of any other pedal for this welder, unfortunately. I may try to find other pedal options at some point, but I haven't had a chance yet.
hey this power correction thing makes a big different running this on 120V after watching your review
very good machine for the money !!!!
Do you still own this?
I do still have it, but admittedly, I haven't used it in a while. I have considered making a follow-up video about it. I may at some point.
glad to hear thanks!@@bigtb1717
Dude, that's a bad a$$ welder for the price......I'm actually in the market for a tig/stick welder......I'm ready to upgrade from my Old AC/DC Century Buzz box.....thanks for the review
Is it possible for you to measure the open circuit voltage on this welder I am interested in welding open root with 6010 and I know it take quite high open circuit voltage.. I have contacted Northern Tool and asked about viewing a user guide but they said they don't have one available at this time. Also the online ad claims that is will weld 120 amps on 120 volts. Did you find that to be true .
Thanks
I'll have to test the open circuit voltage when I get a chance. I did find this welder to run 6010 surprisingly well, but I'm certainly no pipe welder. I'll test the open circuit voltage when I get a chance.
I did find the max output claims to be accurate. I can't remember if 120 amps of output on 120V input was just for TIG, or if that was for stick as well. I feel like stick output was slightly lower, but I'll have to double check that as well.
Is it possible to put together or adapt a standard tig start switch? Looks like a very solid welder. I generally don't use a foot pedal on anything but aluminum.
It should be possible, but as you say, it would likely take some "adapting." I don't think they make a specific torch switch for this welder (I could be wrong though).
When I get time I'll check into it a little.
@@bigtb1717 I appreciate it. I would buy it just for 6010 and the accurate power level readings. I also want to try and set it up for pulsed stick welding using the TIG setting. the 6061 youtube channel showed this off in ruclips.net/video/YzD0riaTXiw/видео.html
would be an incredible field repair option with this welder.
is there any finger switch available that functions like foot pedal (start, turn up, down an stop) ?
if so is there any for this plant?
Fingertip amperage controls absolutely exist. There are multiple styles including sliders, vertical and horizontal wheels/knobs, and more. Unfortunately there is nothing specifically for the welder.
If you could find one with the correct resistance you could install the correct connector and it should work. But there is nothing ready-made for this welder as far as I'm aware.
Ordered one through NT today. Did this machine have up slope and down slope as well?
I don't think it does have any up/down slope settings.
I guess you don’t need it because your creating your own slope from the pedal. I’ve looked at many cheap welders and kept coming back to this one. Everything I need and more plus the business is local with a good warranty. Thanks for the video, it really helped make my decision.
I'm happy I could help. I hope it works out for you.
I agree, that if you are using a foot pedal, you don't need up and downslope. Mainly it comes in handy if you are using a torch switch or some other on/off arc control, rather than a variable control.
You mention the ST201iDV has Power Factor Correction. Is that the term Klutch uses, or do they use a different one?
Klutch does use that specific term (PFC - Power Factor Correction) but it isn't a term they made up or anything.
Power factor correction is just that: it is an attempt to correct a low power factor in order to bring it closer to 1 (unity). This brings the apparent power closer to the real power. A poor power factor will result in a much higher "apparent" power and that means the supply circuit will have a higher amperage on it than what the "real" power might suggest.
@@bigtb1717 Ah, good. Klutch didn't decide to use some terminology of their own creation to describe Power Factor Correction, which is the common-use term. Some manufacturers will invent a term to describe the circuit or feature they install on a device, to insinuate that no other competitor's device has such a circuit or feature.
A closer look at Power Factor Correction is probably beyond the scope of this particular product review, but the topic itself is, perhaps, worthy of its own video?
It could be titled "Why Your Welder Should Have Power Factor Correction," and delve just a bit more into how and why AC circuits that contain inductive elements in which current is out of phase with voltage can feature both resistance and inductive reactance. Some people who weld may wonder why their particular welder model or brand is more prone to tripping a circuit breaker, and appreciate learning about Real Power, Apparent Power, what is happening as the magnetic field in the inductor is expanding and collapsing, and why they want their welder model to have Power Factor Correction.
I have thought about getting a power quality analyzer for years. It would allow me to show what is actually going on and explain it a bit better in a video. It would also let me easily test and compare different welders. I know it's possible to test power factor in cheaper ways, but it get's a little tough when you are talking about a welder that might draw as much as 50 amps. Plus, a power quality analyzer would allow me to show graphically show what is going on.
A video just on power factor is probably beyond what most people really care about, but it could be interesting. I'll think about it.
Can you weld aluminum with it. If it can I'll pick one up. I just can't find out for sure. I can weld steel and stainless well with mig and stick but not Tig but I've been needing to weld aluminum recently. If it can what do I need. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
This is a DC only TIG welder, so it's not good for aluminum. Generally, AC TIG is used for aluminum.
@@bigtb1717 Thank you for the information It's greatly appreciated. I'll keep trying to find a good value TIG welder then. Just gotta make sure it's AC.
Would running this on 120v outlet with a 15 amp breaker be fine for stick welding under 90 amps?
When I get a chance to test this out, I will. I'll test the draw when running 90 amps of output in stick mode and let you know. Heck, I'll even try running it on a 15 amp circuit. It will be at least the weekend before I get a chance to test this though.
@@bigtb1717 alright, thank you. I do have a 30 amp dryer outlet, but I will probably need an adapter or something.
nice
I just got mine and don't understand the Maintained remote control setting, it refers to "remote fingertip control button" what is this and where is it located?
A remote fingertip button isn't included. I don't know if they actually sell one at the moment or not. Normally it would mount on the torch and allow you to turn the arc on and off by pushing that button.
But, the "Maintained" control is basically the equivalent 4T control. If you were using a fingertip control button it would normally turn the arc on when you push and hold the button and turn the arc off when you release the button. "Maintained" is like 4T, which means you would press and release the button to turn on the arc, then press and release the button again to turn the arc back off. This would allow you to weld for an extended time without having to hold the button down.
@@bigtb1717 does it also turn the argon flow on and off?
Yes. Just like the foot pedal, except you can't control the amperage. The amperage will just be whatever you set it at when using a control button like that.
@@bigtb1717 so without the other torch (Northern Took does list it for $119.95) you can only use it with the foot pedal
You can use the included foot pedal or you can use lift start and not use the foot pedal.
Hi do yo still own this unit??
I do, but I haven't used it in quite a while. I've had loose plans to make another video with it at some point, but haven't gotten around to it.
@@bigtb1717 would you sell it ?
Is anyone else getting the runaround from Northern Tool? I ordered this on May 3 and they keep pushing the shipping date back.
Mine took well over a month to arrive. Unfortunately, there are major shortages on a lot of stuff these days. I really hope Northern Tool isn't intentionally giving people the run-around, but I know a lot of stuff is slow right now. I ordered a Miller welder earlier this year and it took about two months to ship. I ordered some welding cable three months ago and it still hasn't shipped. I ordered a Rode microphone that estimated 2-4 weeks before it would ship. It has been two months and it hasn't shipped.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending them if they are being dishonest. But it's entirely possible the shipping dates are getting pushed back on the other end for them too.
And one little point I'll give to Northern Tool: I wasn't charged for the ST201iDV until it shipped. The stuff I mentioned in my other comment, I was charged for the moment I ordered it, despite being months before any of it shipped (still waiting for the welding cable and mic to ship).
Thanks for the reply! Yeah I can understand, the whole world is on backorder, so I get it. I'm just frustrated being told one date, then it comes and goes. However I'm running out of time and I'm considering the Primeweld CT520D now. What are your thoughts? I'm fairly new to welding and my primary interest is tinkinering with TIG. Are the lack of tig features worth the trade off for a plasma cutter? (Mostly hobby welding and the random fixes that come up time to time)
Unfortunately, I haven't used any of the Primeweld stuff, so I can't say one way or another if it's any good. In general, plasma cutters are awesome, but it's not something everyone will use much. Just depends on the types of projects you get into. Where about are you located?
For now I'm building window well grates and fixing the exhaust on my truck so it will be little projects like that, then maybe some random artsy type stuff. I'm in Idaho
Most wont run 6010 very well ! If at all ,,,,,
Would you mind selling it to me if you don't use it ? Thanks.
Where about are you located? I only ask, because when I've shipped welders in the past, the shipping was a bit extreme.
@@bigtb1717 FL 33065 do you have an email address i can reach you at ? i don't see one at your channel Thanks
There is an email listed on my channel. bigtbcontact@gmail.com
@@bigtb1717 i find it i sent you an email
Nope no AC tig welding not interested period !