@@BadEggOnTheRUclipss254there have been allegations against jojo and her mom who started this girl group called XOMG Pop that they were extremely toxic and abusive to these young girls, making them work really long hours, jojo specifically constantly yelling at them and throwing insults, and also they fired one of the dancers who was disabled and encouraged her to continue rehearsal while she was bleeding out of her belly button. There’s a lot of other stuff I can’t remember, but it’s definitely not great stuff.
yeah it's very convenient that the whole rebrand and new songs has made it exponentially harder to come across articles addressing the child exploitation
I actually found myself agreeing with your argument on this. Now, there are other things that Jojo has done that I don’t think can be boiled down to being young and dumb, but I do think this situation has been blown way out of proportion. A twenty year old girl didn’t invent gay-pop, just like you didn’t discover philosophy in college. Everyone thinks they’re some special enigma when they’re young, and making discoveries but we’re not. So, to massively berate someone who is going through that in real time before our eyes and on a grand scale like that? Ridiculous.
@@jasonhill8506exactly. That’s what I was referring to, because there is no defense for that. I think this argument is better for a broader audience, of all the young celebrities that we destroy for being young - not so much Jojo in particular.
I think she made it worse by acknowledging that she made a mistake saying that and then continued to say she’d be the CEO or Chief of Marketing for gay pop. It just comes off like she isn’t learning and is just trying to find a way to still hold a higher ground over everyone. The difference between other artists and her is that they never declared themselves as anything; they let the critics do that. Britney never declared she was the princess of pop. That was decided for her.
No, what we SHOULD really be talking about, is that this sudden transition from her marketing team is a scam so that people forget about how she treated the young dancers that she coached under XOMG POP with her mum. Literally, this is not teen angst. This is a ploy so people have something else to focus on.
Absolutely agree that people are disgusting about seeing young adult public figures growing up and being cringe. I dont like JoJo very much. But she absolutely doesn't deserve to be made fun of (in such an overwhelming and vile way) for her kinda cringe music. I do think she deserves a lot of criticism for her treatment of xomgpop group during the tv show. As well as her continued involvement with and endorsement of people like Shane Dawson, Colleen Ballinger, James Charles, and even Abby Lee Miller.
I totally agree with you here. If it was just about the music this amount of making fun and criticism would be unwarranted, but she continues to be involved in other bad stuff that does deserve criticism
Guys I’m still not okay after seeing the painting I made for Ryan sitting in the background IN EVERY VIDEO! Like im actually so happy (not that I wasn’t already happy just to be watching a stage door video)
However, some people did think that this whole rebrand was just supposed to distract everyone from some accusations made by children and parents in this pop group that was run by Jojo and her mother. I am unsure if the accusations are true but Rolling Stone magazine did write an article centring on a disabled child who was mistreated in the group. (Again, not sure if it is true or not but if it is then I think that this whole thing is not genuine but just a way to get people talking about her silly rebrand instead of her pop group and all of that)
You would be correct if only you didn't know that she made an environment where a disabled dancer and singer bleed through her belly button right before she had to get spinal surgery. This same person wasn't properly compensated for her work. The rebrand takes the shit Jo Jo did to Children performers and sweeps it under the rug. Jo Jo did a dance mom part 2 with Xomg pop. She did horrible things and that shouldn't be ignored. As a college student in theatre I see shit like this all the time but the main difference is that nobody takes advantage of children.
exactly. i also find it annoying that everyone’s mad at Jojo for just being “annoying and arrogant” when there are WAY more important things we should be upset about
It annoys me so much to see people defend her when yeah, this, and the fact that she defends predators. Wish people would open their eyes and actually look into the 𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘭 issues
People also forget that being a part of the industry at a young age does in fact age you as a person. Your mentality and maturity is not the same because your entire being carries the financial livelihoods of many adults. Which is why it’s hard to have any sympathy for her in that instance. It gave her a Goddess complex it seems and stunted her abilities to grow more as a person. She does not apologize for her words but twists them to still make herself the best of the best; which I understand that’s how the industry can work. But sustainable celebrities have lasting fame by being dubbed they’re the best by the audience… not themselves.
I think these are very valid points and I agree in the context of what the vast majority of people are making fun of her for. She is figuring things out and nobody deserves to be ridiculed online like that. However what doesn’t sit right with me is the way that karma appears to be a shift in focus away from the horrible things she has done/been associated with. It was not long ago that Jojo was called out for her unfair treatment in her pop group “XOMG pop” where she forced a disabled child to dance after surgery until she bled. From what I understand of the situation, she not yet addressed this or apologised. I understand that she had this kind of horrible treatment on dance moms but you would surely think that experience would make her want to make a better environment for others not a worse one. She also has publicly stood up for child predators such as Colleen and James Charles. I don’t mean to hate but that’s what should really be talked about not karma. I genuinely think that she has been manipulated from a young age more than she realises and maybe that has screwed with her views on certain issues. She calls her mum a ‘mumager’ as in mum/manager and has been exploited online by the people close to her her whole life. I don’t blame her for this but I do think she should get some help, focus on looking inwards at herself and do some reflection. I hope that one day she realises she has been exploited and reaches out for some help, cuts out the negative influences in her life and apologises to the dancers she has effected on her show that she also exploited once she realises that is not the proper way to treat people.
I agree with you 💯%!!!! I think she's just like Abby Lee Miller !!! (and Jessalyn !) All are egotistical and narcissistic!!! I don't hate Jojo ! I do hate Abby ! She's meaner !!!!
I understand a lot of where this is coming from, but Jojo siwa has said she wrote the song multiple times. Look at her video on Billboard. Also she’s proven multiple times she’s not a great person. She has allegations after allegations stacked against her (ofc allegations aren’t proven to be truthful but it doesn’t necessarily make me want to root for her either and I’m always going to go with the victims side). Also she chooses to associate with people who have committed crimes against children!!!! She has defended Colleen Ballinger and associates with James Charles as well.
she befriended colleen and james when she was a CHILD. she is literally a victim. its so obvious the inappropriate things that happened in their relationships towards the beginning it’s obvious that she is caught up in their web of manipulation and lies. a little kid being thrown into room with grown famous adults
I have to disagree. In real life, many 20 years do their best to be compassionate, responsible, humble, etc. And that in itself is a learning curve, but it seems like your argument is that Siwa should literally bear less responsibility for her words and actions because she’s… 20. That argument would make sense if she was an actual child, not 20. Again, in real life, people are learning from their mistakes and continuously doing better in the ways they interact with the world around them, and we don’t ever stop and say “psh, no, you don’t have to be responsible for what you do, you’re 20! You’re *supposed* to act terribly!” The one aspect I do agree on is that “cringe” isn’t a crime. But in terms of things that affect other people, like faking pregnancies as a joke and defending child pr*dators… she should reasonably be held responsible for that. Just like we would for anyone who’s not a celebrity.
My problem with her is that she's besties with and openly defends Colleen Ballenger, Shane Dawson, and Todrick Hall. Like yeah agreed she's young and it's developmentally appropriate for her to be buying her own press but there's definitely other things wrong here
I haven’t watched the video all the way through, but id also like to point out that jojo is also associated with known predators. Still love you guys, just wanted to point it out:)
Hi! I was in the video 12 days ago! We still take turns sometimes in busy seasons to fit our schedules! Will still only be uploading 1 video a week :) - Sam
I lucky enough not to have all of this drama on my fyp and I completely agree with the video but from what I have seen the biggest issues people have had with her was because of that one article that was talking about Jojo and her mum basically doing the same thing to young girls on their dance show as Jojo had to go through on dance mums. I do believe that any reality tv show especially with kids is a bad idea because for me it just screams exploitation of kids but I think that one article is not enough for at least like 10 really big commentary RUclipsrs to make a video about her.
I LOVE THE REBRAND "THE PLACE WHERE FANS AND EXPERTS MEET" IS SO SMART As always, I loved your take on this topic Ryan. It's so true. It is so unfair that Jojo is going through all this criticism and scrutiny for just being 20. Let her live her life, people.
I find it hard to defend jojo while shes still friends with colleen ballinger and james Charles and also creating a super harmful environment for a group of dancers that her and her mom were in charge of leading
very this! i hope ryan sees these comments but i dont blame him at all for not knowing these things, her marketing campaign did a great job of hiding them from people who aren't terminally online like myself lol
If you are going to stand up for someone who stands up for child predators then I cant be a part of this community any more. And I promise you there are others that will feel the same way.. so. Take that for what its worth I guess
Sam commented they weren’t aware of the XOMG Pop allegations. And even those were mostly against Jojo’s mother, though I certainly don’t think Jojo is blameless. As for her defence of Colleen Ballinger etc, from what I understand it makes sense from the world she has always been immersed and trapped in. She is 20, and is projecting to the world what she is constantly told by her yes-team and mother, and I hope she looks back on this with distaste and apologises. I do wish Sam and Ryan had done their proper research, because even a quick google brings up the main controversies around Jojo.
i don’t like jojo siwa coz she supports and defends groomers actively eg coline and james charles as well as treated child dancers overworked and contributing to a toxic workplace environment yk
That part! We CAN'T leave Jojo alone, because she's using the cringey rebrand so RUclipsrs who aren't caught up on the lore will make videos like this. It's kind of insidious really.
3:05 Well, I haven't heard her say she wrote the song. What she did do though was have an entire video about the creative process of making it, where she did lie about creating it. She talked about the bridge saying something like: "Yeah, we were kind of battling what to do with the bridge. At one point the bridge was like all one-note, but now we came up with this cool melody to go with it" (Even though the melody is also an exact replica of Brit Smith's melody). Also, she did wanna rewrite originally, because she didn't want to be associated with being a bad girl, something she also alludes to in the interview, so making it seem even more as if she was also really involved in the creative process. Also, in it she says "The song kinda sounds like a 2010 record", which - it does, because it is. So while she never said she did write it, point blank, she did allude to it very heavily, and she did lie about parts of the process, taking credit for some of Rock Mafia's work there. (Also just wanna point out that there are people who don't understand that Rock Mafia is a production duo, made up of Antonina and Tim, so they ARE Rock Mafia, because I've seen people say stuff like "Oh but Antonina really also needs credit for the writing" or "It was written by Rock Mafia and Antonina")
In the same interview though, she talks about being “pitched the song” she says something along the lines of; “and then i was pitched this song called karma but i wasn’t sure because the first line is “i was a bad girl” and i’m not.” so yeah she’s been cocky and arrogant, and definitely said stuff that could easily be misinterpreted, but i don’t think she’s lied or tried to allure to writing it. She will have been part of the creative process in other ways and toying with lyric and melody changes for a song she owns will have been part of it even if she eventually decided to stick to the way it was originally written.
@@lilliana493 Yeah but that's the thing; if she would have said that (We were toying with the melody of the bridge, but eventually we liked the original melody best, so we stuck with that), it'd be a whole different story than fully taking credit (herself or maybe best case scenario her current team) for coming up with the melody, while it's the same.
@@RuuBjAh1oh i definitely agree with you on that- she should’ve just said that. if she’d have just said exactly that (because that’s exactly what happened) then people would just be like okay cool, yanno? music is cringe but at least you’re being completely honest about it. still don’t think she actively lied about it but she definitely extended and elevated the whole thing.
@@luna-mo3olon her dance show, xomg, she verbally abused the kids and overworked them, there was a little girl with, what I believe was a spinal condition, could be wrong about what exactly it was but she had surgery and had to do less dance, jojo and her mother refused and forced her to dance until she bleed through her belly button, she jokingly responded “put a pad on it” and continued to make her dance, definitely look up on it as I’m probably not the best to explain it but I do know it happened and that it was an extremely abusive work environment
@@luna-mo3ol she made a show where girls compet to be in the pop group and a disabled dancer got in. During one rehearsal the child was so over work that she bleed through her belly button and this was right before she had a spinal surgery and then not giving the child enough time to heal before she had to go back to work.
@@Fayesnotthatcool4398 there was the one time in the same group a different person couldn't even breath. Not to mention that the contract wasn't properly followed through.
We were not aware of this story at all! Will definitely look into it cause obviously that sounds horrible and like the environment she was in as a kid! Terrible! - Sam
Okay, but she's using this rebrand to deflect from allegations of being severely abusive to the children she recruited to dance for XOMG Pop, thus replicating the harm she experienced on Dance Moms. She also supported Colleen Ballinger when the grooming allegations came out. She went on to victim blame the whistleblowers, who were children when the grooming happened, with her whole chest on Howie Mandel's podcast. This includes Adam McIntyre, who is openly queer. And now I'm supposed to give JoJo a pass for being a naive kid? Sorry, I can't do that. Not when her rebrand was preceded by her harming other, more vulnerable youths. If anything, the existence of this video shows how EFFECTIVE her marketing strategy was at deflecting from the real issues with Jojo. We're talking about her cringe gene Simmons cosplay and silly song. Not the serious issues surrounding her.
the thing the concerns me the most was a recent comment about her future babies 3 boys(freddy eddy and teddy), whom she already has tattoos for....that's WEIRD
Honestly this is such a vital perspective that im so glad someone is saying! Especially someone with followers Like Ryan, its something the world needs some empathy as i genuinely feel like people lack it sadly. I hope the people watch this and perhaps spread this idea ❤❤❤❤
Out of all the JoJo Siwa videos I’ve seen on RUclips, this is by far my favorite. I’ve seen so many videos about this topic, and people are so insensitive… she’s still a human! (I don’t support some of the things she’s done but I'm not going to go into that)
I went into my subscription box and I noticed “the stage door” and I was like “what’s that” and the I saw it was you AND I WAS SO EXCITED FOR THIS REBRAND LIKE ARE YOU JOKING
While I agree that she is young and stupid and we shouldn’t be like cruel. But technically this is how she learns. Everything we do has consequences whether good or bad and this happens to be one of them. U can say do better but there’s always gonna be people who comment on stuff like this and in my opinion it’s better that she learn from this now cus it’ll help her mature real fast. Don’t have to be mean about it but feedback is literally how we learn and grow
YES Ryan! I completely agree with you. I'm not entirely familiar with all the details surrounding her or her music; she falls outside my age group, so I haven't paid much attention. However, I can imagine there's also backlash because she was once seen as this "good girl" role model, and now, with her shift in music and style, everyone seems to be losing their minds over it. It's a common narrative with many child stars who eventually grow interested in different things as they get older, yet they're often criticized for changing their image and exploring new interests. I only just realized yesterday that she's only 20. She's always felt like she's been around forever to me. When I was 20, I certainly made my fair share of mistakes. Even now, in my 30s, I'm still figuring things out. I couldn't agree more that what's needed here is kindness rather than jumping straight to attack mode. How many times have we seen people go into a downward spiral, experiencing breakdowns or worse, and yet nothing seems to change, and the cycle repeats? Biologically, our brains don't fully mature until around age 25, especially the prefrontal lobe responsible for decision-making. So, of course, a 20-year-old who's been in the spotlight her whole life, with people constantly boosting her ego, is bound to make mistakes. She will learn through her own experiences just like everyone has. And I have to say, I absolutely LOVE THE REBRAND! It's so clever. At first, I was like, "Who's The Stage Door?" And then it clicked. Brilliant!
thank you for acknowledging that jojo siwa didn't invent 'gay pop' that was making me a little upset when people were applauding her for that i do recognize that it's not fully her fault though you're awesome, ryan im a big fan
While I agree with most of the points in this video, I think it’s important to acknowledge that she’s not just a young celebrity rebranding. The release of karma has almost covered up the fact that she *allegedly abused the young children on her show. I believe that JoJo absolutely deserves the criticism that she is receiving, but for a totally different reason.
You make very valid points. I caught on to The Stage Door rebrand pretty quickly, since the Sam and Ryan title disappeared from my Subscriptions menu. How many new names did you and Sam consider? I like what you settled on. Keep up the good work!
THANK YOU. Oh my god, thank you! I have been so frustrated over this Jojo backlash. She had to struggle to come out in Nickelodeon and be accepted...this is her awkward self-discovery era. It's cringe-y but who of us didn't have that phase? And Jojo has to deal with all the fame objectification on top.
I do see the point of being young and dumb, but I don't necessarily agree 100% that being a "cocky, self-centered, know-it-all" is necessarily appropriate for a 20 year old era in someone's stage in life. While I do get that people do have that feeling, not everyone. Plus, I just feel JoJo's level of cockiness is just different to like Miley Cyrus. Miley Cyrus did make some interesting choices in her past, while she understand they weren't the best she doesn't regret it. Good for her. JoJo.... she claims she's done all these horrible things in the past... where... Also, as a side note, I think I'm just irritated with stars thinking their only way of becoming an adult is through a "Bangerz" era. Like no... there are other ways to do it, you didn't have to do this Kiss looking outfit and MIley Cyrus Wrecking Ball wanna be stunt...
Yes yes yes yes yes. I was getting videos of shocked people reacting to Behind the Scenes/Amanda Byrnes followed almost immediately by people giving Jojo so much sh!t….and I’m like “do we not see the hypocrisy here???” Thank you for saying this.
I’ve been seeing A LOT of takes trashing Jojo Siwa… but I appreciate your take on this. Her other controversies that everyone has mentioned in the comments aside, she’s just a young woman figuring herself out. Hell, maybe she does believe that she’s being a pioneer for her generation. At the end of the day, we all go through that arrogant phase in our youth, but most of us have the luxury of going through it without millions of internet strangers watching 😆.
I definitely agree I’m still a fan of Jojo because doesn’t care about what anyone says about her and the amount of confidence she has is absolutely amazing ❤
She didn't steal it, but she definitely lied. If you look at a recent interview on RUclips, she talks about her "creative process" behind writing the song. She even claimed she originally had the bridge a different melody than it is, and went on to change it. When in reality, the Brit Smith recording is the exact same melodic line as JoJo's.
i initially found jojo siwa's rebrand to be highly cringe and maybe slightly problematic, and i do think there's a conversation to be had there, but upon further reflection i do think i reacted this way because i'm close-ish to her age (a few years older), only with no concept for what it is like to be in the entertainment industry as a child, the way she was. i both want justice for child actors and forget that it is developmentally appropriate for child stars who have endured so much exploitation and trauma (for the sake of entertainment) to have a coming-of-age that is messy. hell, my coming of age was messy. it just wasn't public. so now i'm trying to be less hypocritical and hold space for jojo siwa and what is going on, because i suspect this is more indicative of a young woman growing up publicly than it is of a person being problematic on purpose. if i'm wrong, then i'll reflect, but i hope that for now we as a society don't lose sight of the fact that she is a young person growing up.
The problem with JoJo, that none of the other people you mentioned suffer from, is not only is she not very likable, she's also not very talented. However she is young, so I will listen to you and not judge her beyond this message. Also, while I'm not judging her I will also not give her my views, clicks, likes or money 😊
A lot of the negative focus should be on her team and, especially, her mother. The parallels from what she has mentioned on her press tour to Jennette McCurdy’s I’m Glad My Mom Died is awful.
Jojo Siwa and her mother need to be held accountable for quite a few things, but this rebrand really isn’t one of them. It’s a huge (probably planned) distraction from it and it’s working
this is what I have been saying to everyone who discusses this with me I am also 20 years old and just came out in December 2022 I relate to this. lot, everyone glorifies their 20s because they say it's the best years of your life comedian Taylor Tomlinson has straight up said you don't miss your 20s you missed the lack of responsibility you have and that's because you can't do shit right we need to be nicer to everybody
The issue with Jojo Siwa’s rebrand is that it’s happening at the same time as the XOMG Pop Allegations. I don’t have an issue with the rebrand it’s that it’s being used to distract the world from the allegations.
Ryan, you absolutely make great points here. She absolutely has room to grow, she is a child, and she will learn her place in the world and in queer culture. However, she is going to learn it the hard way. She's egotistical as hell. Nobody who drives a car with their face plastered all over it isn't...... but if she wants to continue on this trajectory of stardom... she needs this hate towards her. and i know... that sounds horrible to say, it is... but she will have do deal with things like this her entire life if she wants to stay in the spotlight! Better to get the hard lesson out of the way early.
This isn’t really about her having her “rebrand”. If it was just that it wouldn’t be bad, its the fact that she’s cocky, has allegations against her that she seems to be distracting everyone about and associates with people who are pedos.
TBH, this discussion is tiresome. When I see celebrities do this (and this may be because I don't follow celebrities) it's best to just let them do their shtick. Everyone thinking it's their job to get up in arms about how dumb it is needs to realize that saying nothing can actually speak volumes. Just turn your head, and be on your marry way. Unless someone is spreading hate, or seems open to constructive criticism. Emphasis on constructive.
Great points made, but in the case of people saying she lied about writing the song, what people are saying is very accurate. She went on a podcast and claimed they had written about 11 versions of the song over the course of 2 years.
I love the rebrand. At first I thought it was a new channel then I realized it was a rebrand. I love your tagline about this channel where theatre pros and fans meet. Personally I don't like JoJo Siwa, but you're right. Not only can society scrutinizing celebrities every single move, but also being in the industry can be a tough place to grow up. I personally don't know what it's like to grow up in the industry but everyday there are new stories about how people are coming forward to expose things about the industry and sometimes people have sucky experiences. Life is about growing and learning and figuring out how to get through with the least amount of damage and trying to be happy.
Idk why it terrifies me that I am going to have to do the weirdest and cringyest things I life to grow and that I don't t even know that I'm doing it but honestly Jojo shouldn't have to do that and have people on her back telling her that it is that to me sounds even more scary... I have zero idea of that made sense
1:57 Taylor’s karma is not the only one, and not even the first. AJR made a song called Karma 3 years before Taylor did, and in my opinion it is REALLY good!
this is so correct. i think jojo can and will grow from this phase. however, i think for me and many others, the main problem is actually jojo’s mom and the way the both of them contributed to really volatile environments towards young girls on dance moms
i got the notification and was like “the stage door?” and then realised and was like OHHHH
Love your pfp!
Sameeee
Same same 😂
I was confused because I was like his face is familiar and then I figured out I only know him from liv and maddie so i'm dabbling in his youtuber era.
Love your pfp!
My main concern is the rebrand seems to be distracting from the XOMG Pop allegations
allegations?
@@BadEggOnTheRUclipss254there have been allegations against jojo and her mom who started this girl group called XOMG Pop that they were extremely toxic and abusive to these young girls, making them work really long hours, jojo specifically constantly yelling at them and throwing insults, and also they fired one of the dancers who was disabled and encouraged her to continue rehearsal while she was bleeding out of her belly button. There’s a lot of other stuff I can’t remember, but it’s definitely not great stuff.
yeah it's very convenient that the whole rebrand and new songs has made it exponentially harder to come across articles addressing the child exploitation
@@erinbilliot3935
What the??,
So apparently everyone was like who tf is the stage door 🎉
This is how Ryan breaks away from Sam and has his own channel.
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I actually found myself agreeing with your argument on this. Now, there are other things that Jojo has done that I don’t think can be boiled down to being young and dumb, but I do think this situation has been blown way out of proportion.
A twenty year old girl didn’t invent gay-pop, just like you didn’t discover philosophy in college. Everyone thinks they’re some special enigma when they’re young, and making discoveries but we’re not. So, to massively berate someone who is going through that in real time before our eyes and on a grand scale like that? Ridiculous.
Yeah hurting disabled children can't fall under being young and dumb.
@@jasonhill8506exactly. That’s what I was referring to, because there is no defense for that. I think this argument is better for a broader audience, of all the young celebrities that we destroy for being young - not so much Jojo in particular.
@@Nahnahnahsister I was agree with you I think this would be a better video if it was in the view that rebrand are annoying
I think she made it worse by acknowledging that she made a mistake saying that and then continued to say she’d be the CEO or Chief of Marketing for gay pop. It just comes off like she isn’t learning and is just trying to find a way to still hold a higher ground over everyone. The difference between other artists and her is that they never declared themselves as anything; they let the critics do that. Britney never declared she was the princess of pop. That was decided for her.
No, what we SHOULD really be talking about, is that this sudden transition from her marketing team is a scam so that people forget about how she treated the young dancers that she coached under XOMG POP with her mum. Literally, this is not teen angst. This is a ploy so people have something else to focus on.
Absolutely agree that people are disgusting about seeing young adult public figures growing up and being cringe. I dont like JoJo very much. But she absolutely doesn't deserve to be made fun of (in such an overwhelming and vile way) for her kinda cringe music.
I do think she deserves a lot of criticism for her treatment of xomgpop group during the tv show. As well as her continued involvement with and endorsement of people like Shane Dawson, Colleen Ballinger, James Charles, and even Abby Lee Miller.
I totally agree with you here. If it was just about the music this amount of making fun and criticism would be unwarranted, but she continues to be involved in other bad stuff that does deserve criticism
Guys I’m still not okay after seeing the painting I made for Ryan sitting in the background IN EVERY VIDEO! Like im actually so happy (not that I wasn’t already happy just to be watching a stage door video)
Wait which one is your painting
@@valerijab227 the orange and blue one with the black silhouette
Jd if he choose to talk and express instead of killing and blowing
My mind is in the gutter
*Fun Fact:* Elvis Presley didn’t write any of his songs that we know and love today
Yes but he was transparent about this. He straight up said black artists wrote his songs and he would not have the career he does without them
@@noellefair4373 I did not know that, that is really good of him. Especially for how black people were treated back then
@@noellefair4373good
@@noellefair4373 that doesn't justify what Elvis did.
@@jasonhill8506 what did he do?
However, some people did think that this whole rebrand was just supposed to distract everyone from some accusations made by children and parents in this pop group that was run by Jojo and her mother. I am unsure if the accusations are true but Rolling Stone magazine did write an article centring on a disabled child who was mistreated in the group.
(Again, not sure if it is true or not but if it is then I think that this whole thing is not genuine but just a way to get people talking about her silly rebrand instead of her pop group and all of that)
You would be correct if only you didn't know that she made an environment where a disabled dancer and singer bleed through her belly button right before she had to get spinal surgery. This same person wasn't properly compensated for her work. The rebrand takes the shit Jo Jo did to Children performers and sweeps it under the rug. Jo Jo did a dance mom part 2 with Xomg pop. She did horrible things and that shouldn't be ignored. As a college student in theatre I see shit like this all the time but the main difference is that nobody takes advantage of children.
exactly. i also find it annoying that everyone’s mad at Jojo for just being “annoying and arrogant” when there are WAY more important things we should be upset about
Plus she is also a predator protector. Jojo is besties with Colleen Ballinger and James Charles.
It annoys me so much to see people defend her when yeah, this, and the fact that she defends predators. Wish people would open their eyes and actually look into the 𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘭 issues
People also forget that being a part of the industry at a young age does in fact age you as a person. Your mentality and maturity is not the same because your entire being carries the financial livelihoods of many adults. Which is why it’s hard to have any sympathy for her in that instance. It gave her a Goddess complex it seems and stunted her abilities to grow more as a person. She does not apologize for her words but twists them to still make herself the best of the best; which I understand that’s how the industry can work. But sustainable celebrities have lasting fame by being dubbed they’re the best by the audience… not themselves.
No but Ryan’s face at the beginning when he says “Jojo Siwa stole” 💀
He has me crying 😆😭🤣
I think these are very valid points and I agree in the context of what the vast majority of people are making fun of her for. She is figuring things out and nobody deserves to be ridiculed online like that. However what doesn’t sit right with me is the way that karma appears to be a shift in focus away from the horrible things she has done/been associated with. It was not long ago that Jojo was called out for her unfair treatment in her pop group “XOMG pop” where she forced a disabled child to dance after surgery until she bled. From what I understand of the situation, she not yet addressed this or apologised. I understand that she had this kind of horrible treatment on dance moms but you would surely think that experience would make her want to make a better environment for others not a worse one. She also has publicly stood up for child predators such as Colleen and James Charles. I don’t mean to hate but that’s what should really be talked about not karma. I genuinely think that she has been manipulated from a young age more than she realises and maybe that has screwed with her views on certain issues. She calls her mum a ‘mumager’ as in mum/manager and has been exploited online by the people close to her her whole life. I don’t blame her for this but I do think she should get some help, focus on looking inwards at herself and do some reflection. I hope that one day she realises she has been exploited and reaches out for some help, cuts out the negative influences in her life and apologises to the dancers she has effected on her show that she also exploited once she realises that is not the proper way to treat people.
I agree with you 💯%!!!! I think she's just like Abby Lee Miller !!! (and Jessalyn !) All are egotistical and narcissistic!!! I don't hate Jojo ! I do hate Abby ! She's meaner !!!!
I understand a lot of where this is coming from, but Jojo siwa has said she wrote the song multiple times. Look at her video on Billboard. Also she’s proven multiple times she’s not a great person. She has allegations after allegations stacked against her (ofc allegations aren’t
proven to be truthful but it doesn’t necessarily make me want to root for her either and I’m always going to go with the victims side). Also she chooses to associate with people who have committed crimes against children!!!! She has defended Colleen Ballinger and associates with James Charles as well.
she befriended colleen and james when she was a CHILD. she is literally a victim. its so obvious the inappropriate things that happened in their relationships towards the beginning it’s obvious that she is caught up in their web of manipulation and lies. a little kid being thrown into room with grown famous adults
I have to disagree. In real life, many 20 years do their best to be compassionate, responsible, humble, etc. And that in itself is a learning curve, but it seems like your argument is that Siwa should literally bear less responsibility for her words and actions because she’s… 20. That argument would make sense if she was an actual child, not 20.
Again, in real life, people are learning from their mistakes and continuously doing better in the ways they interact with the world around them, and we don’t ever stop and say “psh, no, you don’t have to be responsible for what you do, you’re 20! You’re *supposed* to act terribly!”
The one aspect I do agree on is that “cringe” isn’t a crime. But in terms of things that affect other people, like faking pregnancies as a joke and defending child pr*dators… she should reasonably be held responsible for that. Just like we would for anyone who’s not a celebrity.
Jojo looks like she’s been akumatized by Hawk Moth
“Into an audience of shes, theys, and gays!” I am proud to say that I fit into all of those categories. I am a she/they gay!
Idk how nobody's talking about this but Ryan's face on 2:52 was literally priceless.
My problem with her is that she's besties with and openly defends Colleen Ballenger, Shane Dawson, and Todrick Hall. Like yeah agreed she's young and it's developmentally appropriate for her to be buying her own press but there's definitely other things wrong here
I haven’t watched the video all the way through, but id also like to point out that jojo is also associated with known predators. Still love you guys, just wanted to point it out:)
Is Sam still going to be on the channel? Just wondering because we have not heard from her in 2 weeks.
That’s what I’m wondering:) I mean I’m happy to watch either of them 😂❤
Hi! I was in the video 12 days ago! We still take turns sometimes in busy seasons to fit our schedules! Will still only be uploading 1 video a week :) - Sam
I lucky enough not to have all of this drama on my fyp and I completely agree with the video but from what I have seen the biggest issues people have had with her was because of that one article that was talking about Jojo and her mum basically doing the same thing to young girls on their dance show as Jojo had to go through on dance mums. I do believe that any reality tv show especially with kids is a bad idea because for me it just screams exploitation of kids but I think that one article is not enough for at least like 10 really big commentary RUclipsrs to make a video about her.
I LOVE THE REBRAND "THE PLACE WHERE FANS AND EXPERTS MEET" IS SO SMART
As always, I loved your take on this topic Ryan. It's so true. It is so unfair that Jojo is going through all this criticism and scrutiny for just being 20. Let her live her life, people.
I find it hard to defend jojo while shes still friends with colleen ballinger and james Charles and also creating a super harmful environment for a group of dancers that her and her mom were in charge of leading
very this! i hope ryan sees these comments but i dont blame him at all for not knowing these things, her marketing campaign did a great job of hiding them from people who aren't terminally online like myself lol
i never thought i would live to see JD talking about jojo siwa
If you are going to stand up for someone who stands up for child predators then I cant be a part of this community any more. And I promise you there are others that will feel the same way.. so. Take that for what its worth I guess
Sam commented they weren’t aware of the XOMG Pop allegations. And even those were mostly against Jojo’s mother, though I certainly don’t think Jojo is blameless. As for her defence of Colleen Ballinger etc, from what I understand it makes sense from the world she has always been immersed and trapped in. She is 20, and is projecting to the world what she is constantly told by her yes-team and mother, and I hope she looks back on this with distaste and apologises. I do wish Sam and Ryan had done their proper research, because even a quick google brings up the main controversies around Jojo.
Yes to everything in this video! Thank you for being an actual empathetic, sensible human being
Ignoring all the real harm JoJo did. Being annoying isn't real harm but having a girl bleed out of her belly button before surgery is.
i don’t like jojo siwa coz she supports and defends groomers actively eg coline and james charles as well as treated child dancers overworked and contributing to a toxic workplace environment yk
That part! We CAN'T leave Jojo alone, because she's using the cringey rebrand so RUclipsrs who aren't caught up on the lore will make videos like this. It's kind of insidious really.
3:05 Well, I haven't heard her say she wrote the song.
What she did do though was have an entire video about the creative process of making it, where she did lie about creating it. She talked about the bridge saying something like: "Yeah, we were kind of battling what to do with the bridge. At one point the bridge was like all one-note, but now we came up with this cool melody to go with it" (Even though the melody is also an exact replica of Brit Smith's melody). Also, she did wanna rewrite originally, because she didn't want to be associated with being a bad girl, something she also alludes to in the interview, so making it seem even more as if she was also really involved in the creative process. Also, in it she says "The song kinda sounds like a 2010 record", which - it does, because it is.
So while she never said she did write it, point blank, she did allude to it very heavily, and she did lie about parts of the process, taking credit for some of Rock Mafia's work there. (Also just wanna point out that there are people who don't understand that Rock Mafia is a production duo, made up of Antonina and Tim, so they ARE Rock Mafia, because I've seen people say stuff like "Oh but Antonina really also needs credit for the writing" or "It was written by Rock Mafia and Antonina")
In the same interview though, she talks about being “pitched the song” she says something along the lines of; “and then i was pitched this song called karma but i wasn’t sure because the first line is “i was a bad girl” and i’m not.” so yeah she’s been cocky and arrogant, and definitely said stuff that could easily be misinterpreted, but i don’t think she’s lied or tried to allure to writing it. She will have been part of the creative process in other ways and toying with lyric and melody changes for a song she owns will have been part of it even if she eventually decided to stick to the way it was originally written.
@@lilliana493 Yeah but that's the thing; if she would have said that (We were toying with the melody of the bridge, but eventually we liked the original melody best, so we stuck with that), it'd be a whole different story than fully taking credit (herself or maybe best case scenario her current team) for coming up with the melody, while it's the same.
@@RuuBjAh1oh i definitely agree with you on that- she should’ve just said that. if she’d have just said exactly that (because that’s exactly what happened) then people would just be like okay cool, yanno? music is cringe but at least you’re being completely honest about it. still don’t think she actively lied about it but she definitely extended and elevated the whole thing.
"No one wants to be famous"...willingly drives around in a car with her face painted all over it.😅
SROP SHE ABUSED A DISABLED CHIDL DONT DO THIS RYAN
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WHEN?
@@luna-mo3olon her dance show, xomg, she verbally abused the kids and overworked them, there was a little girl with, what I believe was a spinal condition, could be wrong about what exactly it was but she had surgery and had to do less dance, jojo and her mother refused and forced her to dance until she bleed through her belly button, she jokingly responded “put a pad on it” and continued to make her dance, definitely look up on it as I’m probably not the best to explain it but I do know it happened and that it was an extremely abusive work environment
@@luna-mo3ol she made a show where girls compet to be in the pop group and a disabled dancer got in. During one rehearsal the child was so over work that she bleed through her belly button and this was right before she had a spinal surgery and then not giving the child enough time to heal before she had to go back to work.
@@Fayesnotthatcool4398 there was the one time in the same group a different person couldn't even breath. Not to mention that the contract wasn't properly followed through.
We were not aware of this story at all! Will definitely look into it cause obviously that sounds horrible and like the environment she was in as a kid! Terrible!
- Sam
I’m not the biggest fan of JoJo Siwa’s rebrand. I used to like her a little bit but now not that much.
Okay, but she's using this rebrand to deflect from allegations of being severely abusive to the children she recruited to dance for XOMG Pop, thus replicating the harm she experienced on Dance Moms.
She also supported Colleen Ballinger when the grooming allegations came out. She went on to victim blame the whistleblowers, who were children when the grooming happened, with her whole chest on Howie Mandel's podcast. This includes Adam McIntyre, who is openly queer.
And now I'm supposed to give JoJo a pass for being a naive kid? Sorry, I can't do that. Not when her rebrand was preceded by her harming other, more vulnerable youths.
If anything, the existence of this video shows how EFFECTIVE her marketing strategy was at deflecting from the real issues with Jojo. We're talking about her cringe gene Simmons cosplay and silly song. Not the serious issues surrounding her.
the thing the concerns me the most was a recent comment about her future babies 3 boys(freddy eddy and teddy), whom she already has tattoos for....that's WEIRD
They were temporary tattoos
Honestly this is such a vital perspective that im so glad someone is saying! Especially someone with followers Like Ryan, its something the world needs some empathy as i genuinely feel like people lack it sadly. I hope the people watch this and perhaps spread this idea ❤❤❤❤
I was iffy on the rebrand... until I saw the soup 🍜 our history prevails! Rebrand accepted.
Out of all the JoJo Siwa videos I’ve seen on RUclips, this is by far my favorite. I’ve seen so many videos about this topic, and people are so insensitive… she’s still a human! (I don’t support some of the things she’s done but I'm not going to go into that)
“ITS JOJO SIWA”
:) so so glad that u posted ! Perfect way to end my evening listening you ! Oh god that sounds creepy 😂😂😂 also your hair looks FIRE 🔥 ❤
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Poor Marina 😔 (and AJR aswell)
Hii Ryan!! You are literally the guy version of me💀💀 and I love you as a bi role modal as I’m part of the bi youth!!
I… couldn’t figure out when I subscribed and followed the stage door 🤣
jo-jo siwa abused a disabled child though….
I went into my subscription box and I noticed “the stage door” and I was like “what’s that” and the I saw it was you AND I WAS SO EXCITED FOR THIS REBRAND LIKE ARE YOU JOKING
karma (Miley’s Version)(From The Vault)
While I agree that she is young and stupid and we shouldn’t be like cruel. But technically this is how she learns. Everything we do has consequences whether good or bad and this happens to be one of them. U can say do better but there’s always gonna be people who comment on stuff like this and in my opinion it’s better that she learn from this now cus it’ll help her mature real fast. Don’t have to be mean about it but feedback is literally how we learn and grow
The most sensible take on this issue I've heard so far. I hope more people see this.
I laughed so much during this video. You have great one liners and the way you deliver ur opinion I love it 😂❤
It’s giving “can we be seventeen?” like Fr tho
I logged on and saw a video with you guys as the cover and it said The Stage Door and I was like HUHH??
I’m sorry she can’t legally drink in the us yet and people are treating her like she’s a monster.. like Taylor swift says people need to calm down 😂
This video changed my mind on this whole topic. Youre right about everything... thank you
YES Ryan! I completely agree with you. I'm not entirely familiar with all the details surrounding her or her music; she falls outside my age group, so I haven't paid much attention. However, I can imagine there's also backlash because she was once seen as this "good girl" role model, and now, with her shift in music and style, everyone seems to be losing their minds over it. It's a common narrative with many child stars who eventually grow interested in different things as they get older, yet they're often criticized for changing their image and exploring new interests. I only just realized yesterday that she's only 20. She's always felt like she's been around forever to me. When I was 20, I certainly made my fair share of mistakes. Even now, in my 30s, I'm still figuring things out. I couldn't agree more that what's needed here is kindness rather than jumping straight to attack mode. How many times have we seen people go into a downward spiral, experiencing breakdowns or worse, and yet nothing seems to change, and the cycle repeats? Biologically, our brains don't fully mature until around age 25, especially the prefrontal lobe responsible for decision-making. So, of course, a 20-year-old who's been in the spotlight her whole life, with people constantly boosting her ego, is bound to make mistakes. She will learn through her own experiences just like everyone has. And I have to say, I absolutely LOVE THE REBRAND! It's so clever. At first, I was like, "Who's The Stage Door?" And then it clicked. Brilliant!
thank you for acknowledging that jojo siwa didn't invent 'gay pop'
that was making me a little upset when people were applauding her for that
i do recognize that it's not fully her fault though
you're awesome, ryan
im a big fan
great insight, very important video tbh
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Just to put it out there, JoJo did say at some point that she wrote the song about her ex, so that could be where the idea came from.
No she didn’t write that song either
While I agree with most of the points in this video, I think it’s important to acknowledge that she’s not just a young celebrity rebranding. The release of karma has almost covered up the fact that she *allegedly abused the young children on her show. I believe that JoJo absolutely deserves the criticism that she is receiving, but for a totally different reason.
5 minutes ago!!! I can’t believe
I’m so early! Love you guys so much!!! ❤️
You make very valid points. I caught on to The Stage Door rebrand pretty quickly, since the Sam and Ryan title disappeared from my Subscriptions menu. How many new names did you and Sam consider? I like what you settled on. Keep up the good work!
I’m gonna say this’HIIIII DADDYYYYY’ RYAN I LOVE YOU SM🫶🏻🫶🏻🫶🏻🫶🏻 IM CONFIRMING THIS TO THE INTERNET BUT YOUR MY CELEB CRUSH💀💀
3:09 oml your face expressions, I'm actually giggling😭 I love this channel
This is such a fantastic video. Thank you for putting this all so passionately and eloquently.
THANK YOU. Oh my god, thank you! I have been so frustrated over this Jojo backlash. She had to struggle to come out in Nickelodeon and be accepted...this is her awkward self-discovery era. It's cringe-y but who of us didn't have that phase? And Jojo has to deal with all the fame objectification on top.
I do see the point of being young and dumb, but I don't necessarily agree 100% that being a "cocky, self-centered, know-it-all" is necessarily appropriate for a 20 year old era in someone's stage in life. While I do get that people do have that feeling, not everyone. Plus, I just feel JoJo's level of cockiness is just different to like Miley Cyrus. Miley Cyrus did make some interesting choices in her past, while she understand they weren't the best she doesn't regret it. Good for her.
JoJo.... she claims she's done all these horrible things in the past... where...
Also, as a side note, I think I'm just irritated with stars thinking their only way of becoming an adult is through a "Bangerz" era. Like no... there are other ways to do it, you didn't have to do this Kiss looking outfit and MIley Cyrus Wrecking Ball wanna be stunt...
Yes yes yes yes yes. I was getting videos of shocked people reacting to Behind the Scenes/Amanda Byrnes followed almost immediately by people giving Jojo so much sh!t….and I’m like “do we not see the hypocrisy here???”
Thank you for saying this.
I’ve been seeing A LOT of takes trashing Jojo Siwa… but I appreciate your take on this. Her other controversies that everyone has mentioned in the comments aside, she’s just a young woman figuring herself out. Hell, maybe she does believe that she’s being a pioneer for her generation. At the end of the day, we all go through that arrogant phase in our youth, but most of us have the luxury of going through it without millions of internet strangers watching 😆.
I definitely agree I’m still a fan of Jojo because doesn’t care about what anyone says about her and the amount of confidence she has is absolutely amazing ❤
She didn't steal it, but she definitely lied. If you look at a recent interview on RUclips, she talks about her "creative process" behind writing the song. She even claimed she originally had the bridge a different melody than it is, and went on to change it. When in reality, the Brit Smith recording is the exact same melodic line as JoJo's.
i initially found jojo siwa's rebrand to be highly cringe and maybe slightly problematic, and i do think there's a conversation to be had there, but upon further reflection i do think i reacted this way because i'm close-ish to her age (a few years older), only with no concept for what it is like to be in the entertainment industry as a child, the way she was.
i both want justice for child actors and forget that it is developmentally appropriate for child stars who have endured so much exploitation and trauma (for the sake of entertainment) to have a coming-of-age that is messy. hell, my coming of age was messy. it just wasn't public.
so now i'm trying to be less hypocritical and hold space for jojo siwa and what is going on, because i suspect this is more indicative of a young woman growing up publicly than it is of a person being problematic on purpose. if i'm wrong, then i'll reflect, but i hope that for now we as a society don't lose sight of the fact that she is a young person growing up.
The problem with JoJo, that none of the other people you mentioned suffer from, is not only is she not very likable, she's also not very talented. However she is young, so I will listen to you and not judge her beyond this message. Also, while I'm not judging her I will also not give her my views, clicks, likes or money 😊
A lot of the negative focus should be on her team and, especially, her mother. The parallels from what she has mentioned on her press tour to Jennette McCurdy’s I’m Glad My Mom Died is awful.
Jojo Siwa and her mother need to be held accountable for quite a few things, but this rebrand really isn’t one of them. It’s a huge (probably planned) distraction from it and it’s working
this is what I have been saying to everyone who discusses this with me I am also 20 years old and just came out in December 2022 I relate to this. lot, everyone glorifies their 20s because they say it's the best years of your life comedian Taylor Tomlinson has straight up said you don't miss your 20s you missed the lack of responsibility you have and that's because you can't do shit right we need to be nicer to everybody
The issue with Jojo Siwa’s rebrand is that it’s happening at the same time as the XOMG Pop Allegations. I don’t have an issue with the rebrand it’s that it’s being used to distract the world from the allegations.
Ryan, you absolutely make great points here. She absolutely has room to grow, she is a child, and she will learn her place in the world and in queer culture. However, she is going to learn it the hard way. She's egotistical as hell. Nobody who drives a car with their face plastered all over it isn't...... but if she wants to continue on this trajectory of stardom... she needs this hate towards her. and i know... that sounds horrible to say, it is... but she will have do deal with things like this her entire life if she wants to stay in the spotlight! Better to get the hard lesson out of the way early.
I have always support JoJo Siwa. I will continue to. I’m part of the community and proud of it. She’s such an inspiration to me. Love her. Etc
This isn’t really about her having her “rebrand”. If it was just that it wouldn’t be bad, its the fact that she’s cocky, has allegations against her that she seems to be distracting everyone about and associates with people who are pedos.
So you're saying that Jojo Siwa didn't invent Gay? I know I should've studied the texts closer but that doesn't seem right somehow.
…im sorry im a Jojo hater
TBH, this discussion is tiresome. When I see celebrities do this (and this may be because I don't follow celebrities) it's best to just let them do their shtick. Everyone thinking it's their job to get up in arms about how dumb it is needs to realize that saying nothing can actually speak volumes. Just turn your head, and be on your marry way. Unless someone is spreading hate, or seems open to constructive criticism. Emphasis on constructive.
But JoJo did do harm and is using this rebrand to hide and is defending children predator
Great points made, but in the case of people saying she lied about writing the song, what people are saying is very accurate. She went on a podcast and claimed they had written about 11 versions of the song over the course of 2 years.
I agree with you I think people Put A lot of pressure On celebrities and you know they're just people and I think that's wrong❤
I love the rebrand. At first I thought it was a new channel then I realized it was a rebrand. I love your tagline about this channel where theatre pros and fans meet.
Personally I don't like JoJo Siwa, but you're right. Not only can society scrutinizing celebrities every single move, but also being in the industry can be a tough place to grow up. I personally don't know what it's like to grow up in the industry but everyday there are new stories about how people are coming forward to expose things about the industry and sometimes people have sucky experiences. Life is about growing and learning and figuring out how to get through with the least amount of damage and trying to be happy.
Idk why it terrifies me that I am going to have to do the weirdest and cringyest things I life to grow and that I don't t even know that I'm doing it but honestly Jojo shouldn't have to do that and have people on her back telling her that it is that to me sounds even more scary... I have zero idea of that made sense
but Jojo decides to be under the spotlight. i’m 20 and would never act like Jojo so i will definitely judge her
25s squad where you at
is Ryan a swiftie??? new fan here and i just paused completely hearing Taylor LOL
I miss "heyyy daddy"
The queen community eating their own?!? Surely not...shocking I say...
"She's Here. She's Queer. We're Used To It" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 DEAD DEAD DEAD DEAD DEAD DEAD!!!!!!
I appreciate this view of things because man I have been talking massive crap about Jojo 😂
This is the first video I've ever seen from you and your commentary on this topic has caused me to run to the subscribe button.
A lot of people think this rebrand is a distraction from the Rolling Stone article about her and her mother mistreating a disabled kid
1:57 Taylor’s karma is not the only one, and not even the first. AJR made a song called Karma 3 years before Taylor did, and in my opinion it is REALLY good!
You are necessary!!!!
Yay! I’m early!
this is so correct. i think jojo can and will grow from this phase. however, i think for me and many others, the main problem is actually jojo’s mom and the way the both of them contributed to really volatile environments towards young girls on dance moms
everyone gotta put the link to this video in the karma music video
You see, I agree but my issue is with the handling of children on the show her and her mom were running.