Madara would've lost anyway...
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- The idea that Madara was replaced by Kaguya because he was simply to strong to be beaten is nothing but a rumor Kishimoto never said it and even analyzing the series in the most basic way would not lead you to this conclusion. I'm here to explain that Madara would've lost to Naruto and Sasuke even if Kaguya didn't come out.
Is the audio not working for anyone else around this time? 2:09
Same
Love the fact that there's no fuckin audio
Tf happened to the audio
Okay so its not just me
I literally restarted my PC this vid had me tweakin
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Kishimoto once said he didnt include Toji in the war arc due to fear that he couldnt make the war last more than 3 chapters
Toji who now. This isn’t jjk
@@Couldnt_think_of_anythingno they’re talking about Toji, the honored one with the six eyes
@@kaztheunbreakableyeah, the strongest sorcerer in history right? The one that slaughtered everyone in the heian era?
@@Couldnt_think_of_anythingBro doesn't know about Toji 💀💀💀, Naruto fans not even reading their own manga confirmed
@@LandrixM you know ball
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I ain’t watched the vid yet but I believe you bro
Thank you Shikkaii
@@sixfromtokyo hi six from cali
What type of unreleased glaze is this XDDD
@@raphbolt7715 The best there is.
Cold glaze
The ten tails madara hype is kinda crazy ngl. People can't even begin to consider that naruto and sasuke were actually a match for madara and even go on to surpass him later because "He fought them at the same time and had to be killed for plot"
What they think kishimito thought: "Ah yes, Madara is too strong for them so let me kill him off then introduce a significantly stronger enemy"
Naruto and Sasuke don’t surpass Madara individually until they are adults and can solo Kaguya level threats. The fact that both of them combined couldn’t stop 1 eye madara means that individually they had no chance against 2 eye Madara.
@@donovan4222 sasuke blitzed and cut 1 eyed madara in half. Madara was lucky he could get his 2nd eye with kamui. Madara is probably stronger than both of them individually during their fights but its marginal and at the end of shippuden when sasuke absorbs the bijuu, they surpass him.
@@thesoupman8775 Sasuke didn’t blitz him, Madara allows him to cut him in half because he knows he’s going to get his other eye and regenerate. He wasn’t lucky, he knew what was happening. He sees Sasuke coming and calmly says “wow Sasuke sure is fast” with a blank expression.
He’s obviously stronger than them individually, or else Naruto and Sasuke would have stopped him from activating infinite Tsukuyomi.
@@donovan4222 Prove sasuke didn't blitz him tho. I swear this is the only time anyone would say someone allowed themselves to get cut in half unneccessarily. What's the point of letting himself get cut in half. If anything he just has to spend energy regenerating now. It's actually implied that madara tried to jump out of the way as when sasuke is running at him he is standing on the ground but when he gets chopped he's in the air. There is nothing to support the idea that madara just let someone cut him in half for no reason
He's still marginally stronger than them individually which is my point. Him activating the infinite tsukuyomi was after a lot of diversion attacks and all of his limbo clones fighting naruto. Naruto actually is on even footing with them btw. Notice how Madara never actually hurts naruto or sasuke after they get their powers
@@donovan4222 Also madara looks visably surprised by sasuke being there
Why is there no audio after 1:12 for the whole video
Bruh said fuck this video and the audio 😅
Kaguya has so statements that puts her above Madara that it makes you wonder why Madara fans insist that he's stronger
Its the same with itachi fans. They simple really love madara and they dont like kaguya.
Kaguya has more powers and chakra than madara, that doesn't mean that she would be the better fighter
I mean Madara is a way better fighter than Kaguya lol, this ain't Dbs where simply being stronger than your opponent would automatically make you win most of the time. Like Madara would never fall for the reverse sexy Jutsu kaguya fell for.
Madara is just far more interesting as a character and a much better villain. Also Madara is far more skilled and intelligent as a fighter. Yes Kaguya is far more powerful but she needed Black Zetsu's advice a lot of times. Madara can think for himself.
@@Ungrounded-jay but guess what, hed still get slammed
Where is the audio?
Immediately pinning the 2014 Kishimoto interview rumour is insane.
If Naruto revitalizes Obito, then Obito can use his Mangekyō Sharingan against Madara instead of DMS Kakashi appearing.
While he wouldn't be able to use Kamui Raikiri, DMS Obito would be better than DMS Kakashi and could likely incorporate Kamui into his own techniques like Kakashi did, similar to what Obito did with Fire Release: Blast Wave Wild Dance.
Casual W on a Monday afternoon is diabolical work
This the video i been most excited for because in recent debates, people still clinging to "Madara would have won if it wasnt for Kaguya".
Wait fr? What?😂
Madara’s fans are as delusional as the Gojo fangirls who say he solos everyone it’s bad out here bro people are slow 😭
@krashdummy3265 hmm, 2 eternal mangekyo, rinnesharingan, limbos, susano, Chakra absorbtion, ninjutsu nullification, top 1 durability, endless stamina...
@@KNGDDDE oh wow he a worse Kaguya cool who Naruto was showing the business too three times with having three other things in the bag that Madara has no real way to counter
@@gameuniverse5973 I'm sure that's why she was sealed and didn't fall to hid fist. Let me guess, Naruto solo'd pain too?
The issue here is that you Naruto fans are acting like both kaguya and madara lost fairly. As if there was complete and utter bs surrounding both of they're demises.
To carry own like that undermines any respect ppl would have for the stance.
So yea, the man with the most powerful visual, ninjutsu, strength, experience, stamina, fighting iq, goodness gracious the 2nd closest thing to gahd in Naruto shouldve won.
It's like rock lee, just because it wasn't written in the story... anybody and they're momma knows 5th gate lee stomps gaara and weightless lee would've solo'd the chunin exams...
But hey, kidhimoto had other plans amirite? 🤌🏿
Muted
This makes the introduction of Kaguya even more nonsensical
before i watch the video I wil list the old arguments i used to argue and bring down
1. Madara was cut in half by Sasuke - only difference is that he had 1 eye back then and later got 3 eyes, pair of rinnegans which make host a lot stronger than 1 eyed rinnegan means it would not probably happen twice if fight were to happen
2. Naruto has a lot of clones that can fight/see limbo clones - Cool Madara had shadow, limbo, wood clones and chakra on the level of Kaguya because of Tsukuyomi (basically unlimited) all of their abilities but mastered better than both of them
3. Kaguya was so strong she had to be Sealed and it was only made for her so Naruto, Sasuke would have to brute force defeat Madara - I am not sure about it in this year (EDIT: was wrong about it I guess)
4. Kishimoto didnt say anything regarding this - not sure again but itachi madara statement is absolutely false so my guess is the same
I will edit this
EDIT:
each 1v1 = Madara
2v1 seal = Naruto, Sasuke
2v1 based on powers = Still Madara for me, teamwork is doubtful in Naruto
i Agree, he is judging this very incorrectly, you cant use the naruto and sasuke versions post madara because we never actually saw madara use his 2nd rinnegan plus the rinne sharingan aswell.
So a fair comparison would be the same sasuke and naruto versions (powers and abilities) that were fighting madara. If he takes their later amps then its not a stretch to also assign some of Kaguyas abilities to Madara. (Rinnesharingan amps). a half less Madara used Kamui better than Kakashi himself ever could, he possibly couldve used Kaguyas abilities more tactically.
@@morbus__ I agree, Madara stomps them both individually, and still can probably win if it’s a 2v1 with no sun/moon seal.
2v1 with sun and moon seal sasuke and Naruto would probably win because they just have to touch him. This is all consistent with Madara being slightly below Kaguya, since Naruto/Sasuke needed DMS Kakashi and Sakura’s help to seal Kaguya.
@@donovan4222Madara is not "slightly" below Kaguya tho. The manga blatantly states that Kaguya's power far outclasses Madara, Sasuke even says he doesn't know how a person like that can exist, and that her Chakra is on a totally different level.
People use "Madara's experience" or battle IQ just to cope with clear and explicit information, only because they like Madara more. But this whole battle experience thing sure as hell didn't help with Hashirama and they were a lot closer in terms of power.
Also, Madara is not "stomping" versions of Naruto and Sasuke that could handle the much stronger character, Kaguya. And versions that by the end of the war were a lot stronger (Sasuke saying that he got used to Rinnegan's power, and Naruto matching this Sasuke + 9 Bijuu's worth of Chakra)
@@igorbrandao6735 The manga does not state that, it just states she has a sh*t ton of chakra after infinite Tsukuyomi because she’s absorbing it from the entire world. If Kaguya hadn’t killed Madara, it would have been Madara absorbing that chakra from his infinite tsukuyomi.
Hashirama would have been obliterated by Rinne sharingan Madara. He never even fought Madara when he was revived, let alone when he absorbed the 10 tails.
Naruto and Sasuke couldn’t handle Kaguya. They needed help from DMS Kakashi and Sakura just to touch her with the seals. 6 paths Naruto and Sasuke couldn’t even seal one eye Madara, and Madara after that gets a second rinnegan and rinne sharingan. If he had absorbed the infinite Tsukuyomi chakra there would have been no stopping him.
The crazy thing is Kaguya was actually foreshadowed before Madara (one of longest foreshadowed characters in all of anime) back when Kimimaru was introduced from the Kaguya clan and he even uses her technique in a Pseudo capacity with his bone kekkei genkai techniques (as a prelude to Kaguya's ash bone jutsu). We first see Madara a few episodes later in the form of his statue at the Valley of the End where Naruto and Sasuke have their final battle b4 Shippuden and Madara is only first mentioned at the beginning of Shipuuden by Kurama.
Thing is we liked Kimimaru, we don't like Kaguya.
1. Because of the poor timing she was finally introduced into the story
2. Because the replaced the most compelling and bad ass villain in the entire show
3. Because as powerful as she was, didn't live up to the hype, especially when compared to Madara who lived beyond the hype or other pivotal villains like Pain or Orochimaru who also showed themselves to not only be capable but all 3 showed that they were intellectually sound...Kaguya did not.
4. By the time she was introduced was so late in Shippuden after only being mentioned once as a clan name as opposed to a person during Kimimaru's back story in the early 100's episodes of OG Naruto. It had been almost a decade since we'd even heard her name by then, so it really just seemed like she popped up out of the blue.
5. Even with all of that mishandling of the character, she could've lived up to her "Violent goddess" moniker that would have made her truly terrifying similar to the aforementioned Orochimaru, Pain and Madara...all villains who were capable of killing the main characters they went up against at any time they wanted when they were introduced.
So sad how it turned out. Someone needs to reanimate that part of the show because it was a real downer.
Oh my god thank you! people have been saying for years that Madara would have beaten Naruto and sasuke since he was holding back, not realising that they were also not going all out either. Naruto still had other bijuu chakra to use, boil release, and he never used his kurama avatar. Plus him and sasuke hard counter limbo and Madara doesn't really have anything else too crazy like Kaguya that they can't handle.
Madara has something Kaguya doesn’t: a brain and battle experience.
@@donovan4222kaguya was shown later in the fight to be able to use her brain for the fight, and let's keep in mind that she was also implied to have Chakra that was too powerful for madara to even hold in his own body.
@@donovan4222does not matter when Naruto as smart with him literally beating Kaguya in physical stats with boiling release and heavily damaging her with the barrage with Kaguya having better physical stats don't even try to debate this she literally has bare minimum Madara power stack with everyone that was on the infinity tsuko in her
@@gameuniverse5973 bro your grammar is horrible man kaguya is still stromger tho
@@worthyedge9307Having more chakra doesn’t necessarily make you stronger. Kisame had more chakra than Itachi, Itachi was stronger. Kid Naruto had more chakra than Kakashi and Kakashi was still stronger. Kaguya’s battle strategy consists of just spamming her abilities and switching dimensions. Not much tactics or thought or counterplay like Madara would use…Madara still had the chakra of the 10 tails and absorbed the divine tree…he had plenty of chakra to fight with Naruto/Sasuke as long as he wants.
Also Naruto using Vapor Style can probably defeat Madara alone and Seal him with 1 Tails Sealing jutsu sounds just Amazing.
When Naruto and Sasuke got their new powers that boy Madara lost his HIM status.
@@parkerrexquiem5181 he was like that, but not like THAT
@@parkerrexquiem5181 The strongest version of Madara didn’t even get to do anything before he died to plot no jutsu…he was very obviously stronger than them individually
@@donovan4222and then both naruto and Sasuke get far stronger during the kaguya fight if I remember correctly
@@worthyedge9307correct
@@worthyedge9307not stronger they just make better use of their power from adapting to them
Seeing Madara's personality.. I think he would have jumped into Sasuke's attack to flex his healing ability. I say this because he flexed on the 5 kage by asking them "Would you like the clones to use Susanoo?". That and he already used Sasuke as a selfie stick in human form. He has a f**ked up sense of humor 😂
Wild how people see naruto and sasuke say "wow kaguya is ALOT stronger than madara, take her out while she's still forming!" Then see boil release naruto box with kaguya and rip her arm off(this upscales his boil release basic attacks above his regular thousand clone rasen-shuriken attack btw.) Yet people think madara was this unbeatable being to them.
Madara knows how to fight unlike kaguya
@@MuhammadAlkomyHow does that stop him from getting perception blitzed and red misted by a boil release punch?
@NO-zb3fz boil release is weird because we only see it once and then kishimoto pretends that it never happened for the rest the franchise ESPECIALLY in bourto
Madara has means to prevent a speed blitz like limbo, shinra tensi, sussano
And even if he was hit ,he can just heal in a second
@@MuhammadAlkomy everything you just mentioned gets broken through, and madara doesn't have the regeneration feats for getting his head exploded.
Also boil release was prob forgotten ngl 💀.
@NO-zb3fz no one on the entire franchise got their head exploded so we really don't know
I dont understand how the argument that madara could have beaten naruto and sasuke is so unreasonable to make because "Kaguya is way stronger than him"; but then Kaguya in spite of being "Way stronger" than both naruto and sasuke combined still loses(because of a gag jutsu no less).
From the very beginning of Naruto being "way stronger" wasn't the end all be all; episode 1 Naruto was able to make 100s of shadow clones when the 3rd hokage struggled to make 2. Would anyone argue that a 12yr old naruto beats the 3rd hokage because naruto was "way stronger"?
Haven't watched yet but how can people say Kaguya was created because Kishi made Madara too powerful and couldn't find a way to kill him despite the fact that sealing Kaguya was going to happen Madara anyway.
Yeah I mean the sun and moon seal was given to them to seal Madara, not Kaguya
The thing is that realistically speaking, Madara wouldn't have gotten sealed he has way too many abilities that would stop him from being sealed like( limbo clones) he's also at least as strong physically as Naruto when they fight while he has dual Rinnegan so he has to be stronger than Naruto physically when he the Rinne-Sharingan he also has more hacks than Sasuke in the first place, and the Rinne-Sharingan gives him even more, to be honest black zetsu should have waited until Madara killed Naruto and Sasuke.
@donovan4222 this is not true it is very obvious that hagoromo knew that kaguya would be coming out soon and he knows that she would not be able to dodge the Sun and Moon seals unlike Madara.
@@omariwashington2570 There’s no way Hagoromo could of known that, he didn’t know black zetsu, and when he talks to Naruto/Sasuke he specifically warns them about Madara and says he is attaining Kaguya’s power.
@@donovan4222 man I must have missed that part, but still that would mean Madara with all his battle technique if he got caught her power he would be stronger, and since he was attaining it he would just be stronger.
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Ive always wondered why people assumed madara would win, naruto and sasuke are like gods by that point
People believe the nonexistent statement that madara was too strong for kishimoto to think of a way to beat him.
@@Munchycrunch456 🤣🤣🤣🤣 the funny thing is i read that interview on saiyanisland back in 2013 that was around when madara was reborn so prejuubi madara
@@Munchycrunch456 If so many believe it without proof, then that means it makes sense to them, regardless of the statement being true or not. After all, Kishimoto literally brought Kaguya out his ass when Madara was still undefeated. As if he wrote himself into a corner.
@@7DeadlyJinxs madara is kaguya but ass, why would he make a stronger villain if the protagonist and the deuturogonist couldn’t handle the main villain
@@Munchycrunch456 What do you mean why he makes a stronger villain? He has been talked about since the start of the show. From beginning to end we see how strong Hashirama and Madara are, even to the point that his name alone was used to enforce loyalty.
Madara single-handedly, throughout his life manufacture the events that lead to his final power up.
Meanwhile, this nobody, with the mental capacity of a 4-year-old, shows up out of nowhere and takes a steam pile of s^ all over it.
I do not care if Kaguya is "stronger" chakara wise, she does not make a stronger villain.
The question to ask: If Ten-Tails Madara was too strong, why would Kishimoto replace Madara with the even stronger Kaguya?
Rank hokages on how good they ran the village please
“hokages ranked politically” is a legit video idea that is way too underproduced. i would love to see this from a great commentator.
Could prime Minato beat post-bullet trump in the next election?
@@PhilMcCawk politically speaking, we can’t answer. minato is the john f kennedy of konoha. so much potential, we lost him way too soon 🙏🏼
politically speaking tho, tobirama was probably the best. he did a lot to advance the infrastructure of the village after hashirama’s death, even in what was probably a short amount of time.
Tsunade top 3
@@skyepiquion915 Naruto administration scaling is something new ngl
I already know all the madara glazers are mad about this one
Swagkage: Addicted to Madara
Six: Madara Hater
Also Naruto using Vapor Style can probably defeat Madara alone and Seal him with 1 Tails Sealing jutsu sounds amazing.
@@ДавидГригорьев-ф3ж you do know that Madara was almost dead when Naruto fought him right
Ehh i disagree somewhat i know we got to kind of use head canon here but still. As stated both Rinnegan together are more powerful than both are individually obviously you know that so that means Madara is at the very least 2.5x stronger than he is with one Rinnegan. I just don't think Naruto and Sasuke are even close to that even after the SOSP aps. The only feat we have is Madara pushing Naruto and Sasuke back pretty effortlessly after he casted the IS. I think Madara would identify that they are trying to seal him and just not let that happen maybe perhaps killing one of them fast. I'm not going to get to head canony since most of this is just that.
I think Madara would lose more often than not by getting sealed but he absolutely has a chance against them since he is so much more skilled than Kaguya and isn't just throwing out overwhelming power he's throwing out calculated attacks. I think his Perfect Susanoo would be a BIG problem for them and maybe the clones can use it too? I know very head canon but why wouldn't they be able to? I think Madara is comfortably above them in terms of power and they would have to work together just as well as they did against Kaguya to be able to win.
I'm not one of those people who thinks Madara could defeat Kaguya that's just ridiculous not sure how anyone could think that. I just think that Madara would be just as big of a threat as she was because of his skill. Though i think Madara could seal her if he had both the sun and moon seal.
It's so unfortunate we didn't really get to see Madara fight at his strongest even just a little bit.
Black Zetsu stabbing Madara was the only blessing for him to get stronger to make his fight with 6 Path Naruto and Sasuke less one-sided.
Setsu?
@@nolanmclaughlin2361 I typed Zetsu, but Google "auto correct" it. Thank you for reminding me to change it.
No, Zetsu pierced Madara because he had been watching the fight and knew that he was cooked against Naruto and Sasuke in a 3rd round squabble. Kaguya wouldn’t have a option for a vessel, so Zetsu had screw us all from watching spectacular beat down😂😂😂
@@SoloDeus_Reyit’s because he activated infinite tsukuyomi which allowed him to revive Kaguya by forcing the worlds chakra into him
Ahh...Madara has two out-of-universe statements, one of which is that he is the strongest Shinobi in the 4th war. I can't believe you forgot Rinnegan Ability absorb Ninjutsu Preta Path. We see him Absorb the Divine Tree.
If you want to argue eventually they would seal him that fine sure they could seal him...but it was very clear that Madara was always the strongest Shinobi in the 4th war once he gained the Ten Tails.
That crazy People Think that Rinne-Sharingan didn't do anything for Madara outside giving him two planet-level jutsu. Rinne-Sharingan would power Madara even further it's a Rinne-Sharingan the strongest Dojutsu in the Naruto Series far more powerful than Hagoromo's Rinnegan that can create a moon. I do agree the Author was showing that Naruto and Sasuke's Teamwork could seal Madara. I also agree it would be easier than Kaguya.
We already saw how powerful Sasuke's Susanoo got from using the 9 bijuu chakra to strengthen it and the lengths Naruto had to go to as well to defeat it.
Madara's would be much more powerful than that. I dis agree that Rinne-Sharingan only has two uses Madara simply didn't have enough time to figure out all what the Rinne-Sharingan can do. Not saying he will use Kaguya's other abilities with it...but Sasuke trained his 6 Tomoe Rinnegan and learned to travel to other Dimensions.
Bro Naruto having access to 9 tailed beasts that can come up with plans and cast justu for him is so fucking broken lmao
A jinchuriki with the 10-tails ripped from them wouldn't die, right? They will be exhausted for a realllllllly long time, but they won't die. The 10-tails does not have the same rule as the other tailed beasts. The Sage of Six Paths was a jinchuriki also and had the 10-tails removed to make the 9-tailed one. He didn't die from the extraction.
I don't think it would have been light work, but I agree. In the end, they'd win.
Madara is the one who deserves his ultimate strength the most among the top tier fighters. Sure he was born with the sharingan and incredible potential. But is the only regular human to awaken the rinnegan without outside help, crafted a master plan across decades, b*tch slapped all the bijuus by himself and surpassed the sage of six paths. He even activated the infinite tsukuyomi. And to top all that, he is probably the best fighter in the whole series. That’s why i think he is the best character in the show and why i don’t even entertain clowns who think he would lose to naruto and sasuke. He has too much aura to lose like that. It’s like saying sukuna would lose against gojo and yuuji. Nope. Madara got done dirty by kishimoto. Also boruto sucks and should end immediately.
Thanks for this video Six, I really needed this
Madera didn’t get replaced because he was too strong, he got replaced because editorial wanted Kishimoto to come up with a way to continue the very profitable franchise and he went with Aliens. Madera would have been defeated because that’s how the story was going to end. Stop huffing copium. We all know how this was going to work out.
Finally someone says it, people really believe Madara was all powerful for some reason
Exaclyyyyy kaguya was stronger and he wouldve been cooked
Since Naruto/Sasuken combined couldn’t stop him with 1 eye, and he awakened the Rinne sharingan and completed all his goals, he should have been all powerful.
@@donovan4222 couldn't stop him? Bro the dude ran away from them. He outright states he needs his second eye to even combat them.
That's on top of him being weaker than someone they already managed to beat
@@donovan4222 he would have had a lot of power but he wouldn't have been all powerful. Plenty of statements and feats scale Naruto and Sasuke higher especially when you consider after dealing with Kaguya who was stated to be a way bigger threat than Madara, Naruto and Sasuke had a final fight dishing out some of their most powerful moves. Naruto didn't even have a chance to rest or recharge where Sasuke was pulling Chakra from the rest of the tailed beasts and he STILL lost while Naruto was holding back. He didn't want to kill Sasuke and had a point to prove just like every other time they fought. Madara lost to Night Guy even though he survived he lost. Night Guy is NOT scaling higher than Naruto and Sasuke do with all their different amps and the sun and moon seal.
@@jiero3253 “ran away from them” yeah to get his other eye and activate infinite tsukuyomi…which was his entire goal that Naruto and Sasuke were trying to stop. They try to trap him and hit him with a combined chidori/rasengan, and before Naruto or Sasuke even know what happened, Madara substitutes a limbo clone and is halfway across the battlefield to Kakashi. The limbo clone then tanks Naruto/Sasuke’s combined attack, and requires Naruto + a shadow clone just to be restrained.
Also, Naruto and Sasuke alone didn’t beat Kaguya, they needed help from Sakura and DMS Kakashi.
One word: Limbo
just did a narrative analysis on this
I saw it W vid gang
Can you link it i dont see it
Am I the only one that can’t hear the audio?
Kaguya has more raw power and Chakra than Madara, but Madara was a genius tactician, on top of having the Rinne sharingan and lifetimes of battle experience.
Cool but amenominaka is still gg, etso gg, eighty gods vacuum gg, and ash bone jutsu gg
@@obsidianquill7949 are you talking about Kaguya vs Madara?
@@donovan4222 yes
@@obsidianquill7949I’m talking about Madara vs Naruto and Sasuke from the Kaguya fight
@@donovan4222 my points still stand Naruto and sasuke were able to survive all of those except for etso
Madara haters be calling us Meat Riders and Uchihoes but never Liars
Wonder why
Dosent having a rinnegan. Like any other eyee. If you evolve it you jjst get a general stat boost.
Hes still 10 tails + Stat boost 3rd eye. Or does all this taken into account and it just dont matter not strong enough regardless.
Doesn't really matter. Madara isn't as powerful as Kaguya regardless of if you take this into interpretation or not.
There's evidence to back it up too
The war arc honestly makes it clear that it doesn’t really matter what power ups you have. Like for example naruto with six paths sage mode only (no kurama) kicked pre god tree Madara around like a soccer ball and almost killed him. And this is Madara with six paths powers and a rinnegan
Basically, having a powerup over someone doesn’t necessarily mean you’ll be stronger than them
@@Telarius Yes, just look at the stat boost Sasuke got going from EMS to Rinnegan, or look at how Obito’s stat boost from Orange mask to white mask with 1 Rinnegan.
lets be honest it would be cooler to see a madara fight
N people think madara could handle they adult versions 😂😂. Madara fans worse den itachi fans
Nah Itachi fans are still way worse, at least Madara had the potential to keep up with those versions of Naruto and Sasuke.
It’s only juubidara that’s ridiculously overrated. Id actually say revived sage mode Madara and EMS Madara are UNDERrated. Only by a bit tho
@@Ungrounded-jayno he does not you absolute c l o w n even delta would smack three eyed juubidara
@@gameuniverse5973 yes he is lol, nobody said anything about delta, irrelevant. Boruto scaling is trash btw since kid Boruto was able to land a hit on fused Momoshiki with a few shadow clones, stop replying to me.
@@redbool1115no form of Madara is underrated people glaze that man to the ends of the earth and back😐
Your audio just stopped part of the way in, kinda like swags uploads.
Kaguyas Rinnegan ability is Dimension Creation, Madara’s is simple Dimensional Clones. She's the perfected version of the sage pinnacle.
You're really reaching there bud
@@nolanmclaughlin2361kaguya is the pinnacle of sage however she doesn’t have fighting experience like madara and she isn’t tactical at all that’s why she lost otherwise she is far too OP for Madara
@@nolanmclaughlin2361 Madara literally became her after his lifes work of gaining 1/3 of what she had
@@hinatahyuga7685 idk what you're even arguing against
@@ViolenceReality and? What does that say about the "Pinnacle of sage", Naruto, kaguya, Madara, and Obito all use the same six paths sage mode. Sasukes rinnegan let's him travel through dimensions, that doesn't mean he's an incomplete kaguya. You're drawing lines where lines don't need to be drawn
The audio fucked up bro.
bro for real. Some people seem to forget the narrative and basic story telling of "bad guy will lose"
Helloooo😂😂 it’s almost unreal
@@ronsmith9027 that’s got nothing to do with the power scaling
@@donovan4222 The power scaling still put end of series Naruto and Sasuke above Madara
@@orpheemulemo8053 Together maybe, it’s debatable, but individually no.
@@donovan4222but that doesnt matter, this is about sasuke and naruto vs madara. Not a 1v1
Sasuke has a Rinnesharingan.
Errrrrrrrrrrrm, acthually according to a tiktok comment I saw kishimoto said he made marara to powerful and didn't know how to beat him so therefore you're wrong 🤓
But Kaguya is more powerful than him. A similar thing has happened in other anime, beaten by something on the inside
@@thrilla72 I'm joking
Average Uchiha meat rider. I know you jk 😂.This is why I hate this show, the Uchiha are written so awfully that Kishimoto created monsters!! 😤😤🙁🙁
@@artistaroundtheblock2047 I think they are written brilliantly. The most interesting part of Naruto was Sasuke & Itachi's stories. That reveal was great aswell.
@@thrilla72 Negative IQ individual
Madara would wipe the floor, walls and the ceiling with narutard and sasgay
I know this is a unrelated topic, but apparently the Naruto and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles series is getting a crossover.
If zetzu never killed madara , he woulda eventually lost to naruto an sasuke anyway
Madara beats Naruto 100% of the time in a 1v1. It’s not a 50/50. L take. Naruto has nothing in his arsenal that can kill Madara. Hagoromo gave Naruto and Sasuke those seals for a reason.
Baryon mode victims
Exactly.
The Author stated Madara is the strongest Shinobi during that time and it never any other statements that implied Naruto or Sasuke were stronger than him.
He may not have been able to beat their team work when he just had 1 Rinnegan. clearly he adapted to their abilities proof is when Madara said he learned the distance of when Sasuke can use his Rinnegan.
@@miropareik755 not at all...considering the move can be hard countered by flight like he did against 8th Gate gai. That move didn't even kill isshiki who had 21 hours of life
@@mygod5500 First Ishikki is like leagues above any form of Madara. Kaguya was stated/ referred to be stronger than Madara, or at least have a huge amount of more chakra. And Ishikki is stronger than Kaguya bcs he low diffs adult Naruto and Sasuke, who could keep up with Kaguya as teens, while being weaker than their adult versions. So Ishikki would no diff Madara too. And Ishikki also can fly, it didn’t help him against Baryon mode Naruto bcs he got blitzed multiple times and same thing is gonna happen to Madara but unlike Ishikki, Madara would die after a few punches
Couldn't Madara just huck Sasuke into another dimension and cast the infinite Tsukuyomi on Naruto and the rest of the group, then go solo Sasuke in the other dimension? What's stopping him from doing this?
yessir, w video idea six!
The problem here is that it's going to be really hard/difficult for naruto to fight madara as he is forced to always stay under sasuke's susano if doesn't want to instantly get caught by the infinite tsukyumi. Sasuke would even be in worse position as he also have to always shade Naruto, Sasuke, Obito, and Sakura to keep them safe, while he is fighting Madara together with Naruto.
People still say “Kishimoto made Madara too strong and wrote himself into a corner” when there is a literally a character stronger than bro💀
They’re not real people with real thoughts bro😂 don’t even bother😂
kaguya wanst at full power when fighting naruto and sasuke
This topic has been on my mind for some time and I recall you doing a Darth vader vs Obito video. Who do you think would win Obi wan Kenobi or Edo Kcm Minato?
Kenobi has no win cons
@@obsidianquill7949 I agree unless he just throws him in space even then Minato more than likely can just teleport back to earth
@@alabamamanofficial4817 also edo Minato straight up can’t die lol
Vader and Kenobi stat stomp.
Madara would have beat them , because he would use the infinite tsukuyomi.
The ninja allience hostages
And the 6pathsenjutsu , juubi chakra pool and regeneration at its fullest.
I had already come to this conclusion on my own though can't wait to watch the vid and see all the information as too why this is the case
Can you fix the audio?
You are my favourite scaler and character power analyst,
It would be really cool if you had a collab with Naruto Explained where both of you analyze and explain a fight between characters
Obito is the real final villain. Madara is a downgrade, he was easily one-shotted and neg diff by Black Zetsu. Kids pushing this fake Kishimoto Interview Agenda are embarrassing. DMS Obito is the strongest character in Naruto. He is the Chosen One.
The comments on this are gonna be hilarious.
The people who say Madara was too strong literally makes no sense when Kaguya is the next opponent lmao. Bro was getting sealed up with minimal difficulty
Madara is my all time fave villain in anime. I don't care he'd lose. I care about how he lost. It was lazy AF.
Kishimoto said madara couldn't be beaten. But how..? Everything thing we saw after the sage amp was him getting bullied
Yea…like when Naruto Sasuke and Sakura all charge at him and he no diff blocks all there attacks that was him getting bullied huh
How was he getting bullied ? Madara pulled up with his second Rinnegan & no one touched him. His Limbo clones even defeated Naruto's clones.
Where's the sound?
This the one we’ve been waiting on 😭
"Kaguya had died. In this world, there wasn’t such a thing as immortality."
Even Momoshiki who should have immortality far beyond Madara was likely to die if decapitated, so being sliced to bits would be enough to kill Madara.
I think a Truth Seeking Orb barrier from Naruto could block out the Moon's light.
If Naruto ripped off Zetsu he would stabliaze Obito as he did against Kaguya and he would live on for a bit longer, but he could provide Kamui support (which is another means to avoid Infinite Tsukuyomi).
Sasuke's Susanoo forces Kaguya back during their second engagement after the first in the lava dimension, which suggests both that Sasuke is getting exponentially stronger, and that Sasuke's level of strength by the time Kaguya is defeated is far above Madara's.
We hated Kaguya because Kishimoto disrespected Madara.
You didn’t tell one lie. The battle would have been far more epic if madara stayed the true final villain before naruto and sasuke’s rematch. We never got to see Madara use the full depth of his new abilities. I imagine his susanoo would probably change form since he now had 10 tails chakra.
The difference between Madara and Kaguya, is that Madara has more experience, he is more skilled but he has less raw power. He is been growing during wars, that's why he literally soloed all 5 nations.
It would definitely be extreme diff, cause Naruto and Sasuke weren't even able to touch Madara since he gained second rinnengan. That literally shows that he is not brainded big powerhouse alien.
I always found it weird Naruto and Sasuke performed so well against kaguya and people somehow thought Madara who is significantly weaker would do better
Thing is, they didnt perform so well against kaguya. They struggled. Against madara they did not. If u read or Watch the fight against kaguya u can see that naruto and sasuke would have lost more then once if it was not for the help form kakashi obito and sakura. But i think they would have beaten Madara considering statements about how much stronger kaguya is then madara.
@Thedarkmickey kaguya had more chakra and powers than madura
But madara knows how to fight unlike kaguya
@@MuhammadAlkomykaguya can fight better than madras wdym
@@yetundeadeyemi2436no she cant, Madara is the better fighter, where Kaguya just does good with her haxs and spamming stuff.
I mean Madara is a way better fighter than Kaguya lol, this ain't Dbs where simply being stronger than your opponent would automatically make you win most of the time. Like Madara would never fall for the reverse sexy Jutsu kaguya fell for.
You rise some good fucking points
@@zonnodon163 preciate it
Low key if it was a 1v1 he'd beat both so idc. Cope madara haters
@@robwithevenmoreshifts yeah 1vs1 lol but thats not the video the video is 2vs1 so cope harder kaguya still stronger
@@brandonsupreme8380 Kaguya was an ass pull from kishi to introduce a series I can't even bring my self to search on RUclips anymore. You think I gaf? Still a better villain than kaguya will ever be cope.
@@robwithevenmoreshiftskaguya > madara. Kaguya is also better
People need to learn to see through Madara's ego genjustu. This man will get caught by an unseeable, unexpectable blitz attack through pollen filled burning forest and claim it was all part of his plan.
I've been waiting for this video Madara fans cope so badly
This will probably trigger some of the Madara fan base.
You could argue at the end of shippuden Naruto and saskue where stronger anyway😭
I wouldn’t agree with that. It would come down to good strategy and still take serious effort to pull off. Madara had a variety of jutsu that we didn’t even get to see the full depth of.
Naruto definitely was because he clashed with Kaguya multiple times and either overpowered her or matched her. And he just got stronger in the final valley.
@Maelstrom-Whirlpool yeah that was because kaguya is a idiot that allowed herself to be badly drained of chakra because she spammed her space powers too much
Naruto was. Sasuke probably not unless you count the 9 biju amp
@@Maelstrom-Whirlpoolwhy do people keep saying this lmao, Naruto deadass only overpowers Kaguya like two times. One with boil release which did Jack shit and the other when he cuts her arm off when she was low on chakra due to dimension hopping
Besides that, Kaguya was slapping Naruto no problem even when he had 1,000 clones
The issue was Madera didnt have full access to Kaguyas chakra. If he did its likely he could beat them as hed be closer to kaguya with all his skills
LFG
The infinite tsukyomi argument wont work because naruto isn't trying to protect people from metiors and let him run away
@@EXOTIC_individual you can't run from it, it hits the whole world lol
@@sixfromtokyo lol I thought this was a empty void senario in my head lol then yeah because the event will go the same madara will throw metiors and naruto will protect the shinobi alowing madara to perform the jutsu
After he got the 2nd rinnegan he literally finger flicked team 7 away
Ninja Storm actually showed Two Eye Madara vs Naruto and Sasuke and Madara got his posterior handed to him.
I've always knew this, but this video just feels so good to watch man. 😭😭
Madara fans will literally still disagree with this video when Madara himself stated he would eventually lose to SOSP Naruto and Sasuke, and that he should've discovered Sasuke as a child instead of Obito. 😭😭 And Sasuke's Rinnegan also defeats the entire purpose of his limbo, snd they're both High-End relative to him, AND can seal him. ☠️
Did the audio get muted after 1:14 seems like it cuts out for the whole video after this point
kaguya was more powerful but not as skilled and versatile. Madara would have his sharigan, mangekgyo, ems, rinnegan, sage rinnegan, wood, wood sage, clones, wood clones ,limbo clones etc powers and has incredible h2h. just make 5 clones for each of them (including Sakura), each having the same abilities as the og. He can outlast them all combined in chakra (10 tails and wood sage chakra), he outskills, out-experiences, out-knowledges them all...combined.
lets also not pretend that kaguya's defeat wasn't cos the plot had to happen. according to 6 paths, he and his brother battled their mother for months so how is it logical that naruto & co defeated her in, at most, a few days? yes they would've defeated him but cos of plot. same way naruto defeated pein (just move out the way bruv). Remember, Madara kept them extremely busy with just limbo clones.
Zetsu thought it was best to interrupt the last round of those three squabbling. He knew that Madara was cooked if Naruto & Sasuke had another shot. He needed that body in pristine condition for his mami Kaguya😂😂😂
Obito was a 10 tails host and they don’t die when losing the tailed beast. He was dying from using rennirebirth
Madara **could** have won. This is true. Madara was **not likely** to win. This is even more true.