Is THIS how you shark someone?! WOW - APA 8-ball League Match SL-5 vs SL-4
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- It's a spicy one! You tell me! I will say I am a little bias, because the match after this one ended with this guy telling our team to "Sit the F*** down and Shut the F*** up" when I told him he wasn't allowed to give free timeouts to his 3-speed!! xD LOL. Gotta love this stuff... Enjoy this APA League Night 8-ball match guys!
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I like what you said about "he's playing another game" - that's exactly what those sharking tactics are about. Whether he knows it or not, the things he's doing are negatively affecting his opponent's play. After 9 years in the league, you should absolutely be aware of things as simple as standing close to the table while your opponent is shooting, approaching the table during their shot, moving around in their sight line (within reason), GRABBING YOUR CHALK OFF THE TABLE WHILE THEY'RE SHOOTING. At a certain point, we can't give someone like that the benefit of the doubt. There's certainly room to address it with them during the match, but it's also easy for tempers to flare and for our Fight-Flight-Freeze to kick in. Good on Ron for keeping his cool. Thanks for sharing the match. Lots to learn from this one.
Later in the night, when he again sidestepped etiquette, I approached and asked if he was new to league, since he seems to have abandoned several rules and all of the etiquette… to which he screamed at me that hes been playing in this league for 9 years and I need to gtfo his face 😂
Everyone in the room that knew him, pretty much gave me the “told you so” about his attitude haha. 🤷🏻♂️ some people man…
Thanks though!!!
After some consideration, I've decided that his lack of etiquette (provided it isn't just malicious) isn't too surprising...after all, the guy is playing at a beginners skill level with nearly a decade at least of experience!! Clearly he doesn't catch onto things quickly, and that may include simple etiquette that's normally gleaned just from observing social cues.
@@drewvonporte9 years into APA and he’s a 4? No wonder he’s a dick, I’d be mad if I was that bad after a decade of playing pool.
“You mind doing that…anywhere else” is an all-time Ron quote.
I think nine nights out of ten he comes away with a win. Bad vibes. Can’t wait to see these two in a rematch! 😉
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No way around it so I'll just say it-I absolutely hate playing people like this. Either just a total dbag or no sense of self awareness, and neither one is good.
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I normally go take a sip off my drink and then come back and smile and let them know I can wait until they are ready to hand over the table to me properly. Although, in a bar situation, I welcome it, so it gives me practice dealing with it. Have you ever been or watched matches in the Philippines? Lol
That’s a good point in using the Saturday night bar distraction games as practice for actual matches…
I’ve seen videos lol… completely different vibe for sure!!
I've run into the push shot situation and immediately inform the fellow. If he did it again I'd be calling a foul .pissed him off
Grabbing the chalk and chalking up while your man is shooting, in his line of sight!? I'd have had strong words with that guy if I were at the table.
Bro……………… I was stupified
If I'm playing a guy like the shark guy, I would not go to table right away when it's my turn. I would sit and wait about 20 seconds or so, then approach the table the opposite side of the cue ball. Make some non sense planning for the next shot to take up more time and test the shark's patience. My personal take on the approach the table quickly player means he will screw up faster.
Hester here knows how to deal with these people!!! 👊🏼👊🏼👊🏼
honestly for ron being a 5 in game 2 when he shot the 7 he should have drawn back a bit, im not saying hes shooting bad but for a 5 it could certainly be much more controlled
Wow, so much to unpack. First, a tip for your lower-ranked players. When the Cueball is on the rail it is a very difficult shot. Snooker players favor getting the cue on a rail over trying to get it behind a ball. Besides eliminating almost any spin possibiity it also makes the possibility if misscue much greater. Here's a little tip for dealing with a cueball on the rail. If your normal 'feather' which is the back and forth motion before the shot, if you move the cue let's say 5" fwd and 5" back or whatever it is, on rail shots, shorten than to about 1", or even less. This will give you better control and almost eliminate the likelyhood of a miscue. Sharking! As a snooker player it is an understood rule of etiquette that before your opponent shoots you get absolutely out of the line of sight of the opponent. If you can't do that then you freeze and stay absolutely still. Having played pool in many leagues, many clubs and bars, Most pool players know this rule too. Sometimes though a player just won't know, sometimes it is deliberate too though and the way to deal with it is to refuse to shoot until they stop. Just politely explain to them that their movement is distracting. Their own captain should step in and rectify that issue.
The push shots, simply put, if the tip of your cue is in contact with the cueball when it contacts the object ball it is a pushfoul. As you said, the travel of both balls is a good indicator of a push. Now, 3's and 4's will often be gray with specifics and that is why either the shooter or the opponent should have someone watch the shot, up-close. IF they do not do that then in a situation of whether a push occurred or not favors the shooter. To that extent, since you did not request to 'watch' the shot up close and neither player requested it then in my world there is no foul. If you are not a referee and are trying to armchair quarterback then you need to let that one go. Back to the video, you said that the the 'sharker' has been playing for 8 Years, he knows he's sharking, and you should just call him out imo, tell him directly to stop doing it. The "safe" shot at 15 Mins, Crazy for a 4 to be playing.The off the rail kick/combonation. That's a makable shot for a 6 or 7, not a 4 and I thought that it was a stupid shot, a barplayer shot! IF the shooter wanted to go safe there were MUCH easier ways to accomplish that and personally I thought the kick/combination was a stupid shot and he should have gone safe. That said, that was no safety attempt. ok, at around 16 mins the player stands in the line of site in the first shot and then deliberately moves into the line of site in the Second shot and chalks his cue. He is deliberately using this tactic, no doubt about it and someone needs to call him out and make him sit down. That makes me really mad seeing that. I think I've written enough but 2 more things. Watching this reminds me why I hated APA. Sure it is fine for beginner-level players but if you're a student of the game there are so many frustrating/maddening/infuriating aspects to that system. Lastly a little levity. In Michigan we used to have "sharking" tournaments. In essence you could do anything to distract your opponent short of touching them. There was always lots of boob flashing etc and they were enormous fun. Ta-Ta (no pun intended)
This was a rough night 😮💨, and a ridiculous match with a ridiculous opponent 🤦🏻♂️ had to share
Thank you for sharing your pointers as usual Don!
The first instance I can let go as a lack of awareness. The second time he approached the table and the chalking crap, he absolutely knew what he was doing, in my opinion.
I can appreciate that, being that you have no context on his behavior apart from this 😅... Thanks for chiming in !!
So I have played against people who just have no spacial awareness and no common sense, however, this guy knows what he is doing. APA is supposed to be friendly.
One thing that I always say to someone sharking - "You must not be able to beat me fairly." That always gets under their skin.
That's funny!!! You're so right, though.
Yep, he’s ignoring every etiquette. The first push through is clearly a foul. Shot cueball directly into a ball that it was almost touching is an automatic call. But, the waddling up to the table while you are going down to shoot is clear snarking. Would have told him ‘do it again and you concede the game’. Also, if that fellow has been playing for 9 years he’s clearly had nobody working with him on his game.
Some peoples’ kids!!!! 🤣
I appreciate your opinion! I surely wasn’t helping, I was so incredibly frustrated 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
I don’t think it was ridiculous to say he was acting out of line. You just gotta learn to not let it bother you so much that it affects your game. Even getting super annoyed while your teammate plays may have a mental effect on them
In my head at the time, I think that generally will affect someone’s shot, whether they’re aware or not. So I wanted to bring attention to his behavior, in hopes of him stopping. Trying to reprimand him was probably not going to work, as he’s been an APA captain for “9 F-ing YEARS!!”….
But, you’re right, clearly did not help Ron, who made several devastating mental mistakes…. 😔
I've been banging around pool rooms for almost 50 years. First off, the 7 - 8 was too close to call and if so, the call goes to shooter, no foul. His push shots should have been obvious, but at his skill level, with his equipment, and stabbing stroke, I doubt he knows what a push or double hit is. When it comes to the sharking, I've told players, that play will resume when they sit down and stfu. Most disturbing to me was giving up the rack when he's got 3 colors and the 8 ball all in close quarters, and the guy slams every ball. I would be stealing from you at even money he doesn't get out from there, even with BIH!
💯💯💯!!!!! Exactly!!!!
Ugh! Was a painful one, man
I was world's qualifiers a few weekends ago. I went down on the shot then "Don't worry he can't make this shot he's not good!" I let it go then went down on another shot "He can't run this he's not good!" I stood up and started yelling. Every table in the tournament around us stopped and looked. They're captain came and apologized and it stopped but the damage was done.
The damage was done, exactly. I am so sensitive to this crap, like I admitted, and try to keep it from getting out of hand ahead of time. They’re playing a different game, like arguing with someone who’s just trying to get under your skin!!
Sorry that happened 🤬 how’d you guys do in the qualifiers??
@@drewvonporte Not good for vegas...
Ah sorry man.
I believe it is Sharking. No one stands that close to a table while someone is shooting. I had to tell one of our opponents to move away from my player's corner pocket on his 8 ball shot. Literally standing over it. No attempt to move before I asked.
Yeah, I mean, of course you see that all the time in bars from people who don’t understand the game.
But this guy screaming at me about being in the league for 9 years made me quite suspicious about his motives 🤨
@drewvonporte you just smile and say "are you serious"? Works every time😂
@@robertvasquez1845 i tried 😒…. Lol you know this story though. Whatta ya gonna do
Sharking: At 7:20 he's out of Ron's eyeline as best I can tell. Where you stand / what you're doing doesn't matter if I can't see you (doesn't apply to things that could be heard) so long as you're not being intentionally distracting. At 10:58, that was 8-ball first but I know what you meant lol.14:19 he doesn't seem to be in his eyeline either, but the angle/lens effect could be distorting that. At 15:45 though, there's just no excuse lol. I have newbies brand new to organized cue sports on one of the teams I captain. I've had to coach a couple etiquette related things, but it sorta *clicks* for everyone at some point and things like not doing this just comes naturally. Nobody needs to be told not to do this after 2 weeks of organized play... let alone 9 years.
The guy either seriously lacks situational awareness, or his old division was just very "bar scene" where that sort of behavior is the norm. The 2 foul shots though... sorta on the captains in my opinion. If a lower SL player has a shot that you know is more than likely going to foul, just call for a watch. Best case, the watch calls it for the foul it is... Worst case, the player rethinks their plan to ensure a clean hit. Either way, cleaner game is played.
You’re right. And I wasnt helping at all 😬😔
Ask for the standing in the line of sight. I immediately stop my shot and walk up to the other player and let them know. And no one certain turns to get the hell out of my line of site. Don't do it again. I don't have Ron's patience and I don't think anybody should get in their face and let them know what's going on. It's the only way to solve that problem somebody needs to grow up hair I quote the only way
If the guy walks up and gets into the opponent's perrifrial vision, that would be very distracting. I always say, "I want to beat you, not cheat you".
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I think this guy just always says “I want to beat you.”
Based on the angle he was kicking from and the 8 ball hitting the top point he hit the 7 first.
I honestly thought, at best, they were same time… which I give to the shooter.
But it’s ok, luckily this guy was watching it for us 8 feet away 🤙🏼
When I first started in league I was so excited about competiting I stood right up beside the table to watch my opponent. I was quickly told not to do that by my team captain. It wasn't sharking because I didn't know any better. If you suspect a double hit is about to occur you have two choices. Say nothing and live with your opponents view of the shot or call for the shot to be watched. When an experienced player fouls and doesn't owe up to it that's cheating. The worst offenders are often drunk. I'll point out the infraction but it it's going to get ugly I'll let it go. Plus in those cases I"m going to win regardless.
He is definitely sharking him!
It’s impressive …. Lol….
Well, sharking aside I think the Captain has a duty to his team to try to get the best out of his team. Saying the sharking worked just added fuel to the fire. Maybe try to calm your player down and try to keep him focused on the table and not the other stuff. I try to tell my guys that what they themselves are doing is awesome, build them up. Tell them that if this is the biggest problem in their life, they have a dam good life! Getting them to focus on what's important, teamwork, enjoying the game and the evening and not let one guy like this ruin it for them. Be positive!
….. sigh…. You’re not wrong, Dave 😔
At this point in the night, his sharking at already gotten to me, as well. I was not helping 🤦🏻♂️…
It’s better to stay positive, and I appreciate this bright comment and suggestion. I’ll do better next time! Though I can happily say, he does not shoot in this league anymore.
For what it’s worth, I do usually try to do that, and keep the train on the tracks, but this night was … special 🤦🏻♂️ thanks again
@@drewvonporte it's okay Drew, you're young yet and these things come with time. I do enjoy your videos though! Keep up the good work!
@@davelariviere I’ll grow up someday 😂😂
I also think that taking an excessive amount of time per shot , and shooting safeties consistently, even though you have had plenty of open shots to pot, cuz of being scared.
Can be!
Having never played league in a pool hall outside of cash cup/tri cup/world qualifier, I don't know how much room there is. It was a bit of a dick move to chalk at the table while Ron was shooting. The 7/8 looked pretty much same time.
Eh there’s plenty of room around these tables, especially this one, but whatev 🤷🏻♂️
Yeah, with us going frame-by-frame on a screen, we can tell its as close to simultaneous as we can see.
LUCKILY, he was there 10 feet away and has much, Much better vision than any of us, and was able to tell us that he gets ball-in-hand. Thank God he was there 🙏🏼
At 16:35, Jon uses the tip to position the cue ball. Petty but still a foul.
LOL petty as hell!! Shoulda called it still though 🤣🤣 love your style 🤙🏼👊🏼
The rule for double hit changed on close proximity balls. Yes it was a double hit but not a foul under current guidelines. Standing in Ron's line of sight is sharking especially with moving his hands. I'd have given him one warning the next instance I would have stopped and protested. It's not only the player but the whole team can be looked at for allowing him to do it. We had a instance where my fiance was playing and her opponent was shooting the eight which was behind her four ball. The guy shot it hit her four ball then the eight. I called foul but they said I have to call for a watch and said no I don't. The eight was obstructed by the four and infront of the eight it is a clearance foul bad hit. I got overuled by the league rep who was on our time cause her and my fiance were not getting along. She I needed to call for a good hit. I'm SL7 in eight ball so I KNOW it was a foul. The rep just broke up with a good friend of mine. We quit the team(I did that night). The next session they were in last place the whole session. The coach got rid of the rep and another couple that were drama mamas so we came back. Funny how the team bounced back and we're in 2nd place right now. But yeah the guy who hit the eight has an attitude towards me so does the rest of his team but I don't care. Being one of two SL7's on our league I get a lot of flack both good and bad. I have my good nights and bad nights but I help anybody who ask for help. The kick Ron made on the seven was a foul. Its real close though.
That’s great that it all worked out! Sucks you had to deal with that for as long as you did though…
That’s … incredibly frustrating about that scenario!!! Like cmon!!! Wow….
It’s tough. My situation sorted itself out, luckily. Thank God other SL7’s have off nights 🤣 I post all my matches here (that will let me record) and I catch so much flak from the audience 🤣🤣. SL-7 does NOT mean professional 🫠
Cheers man, thanks for the feedback 👊🏼
No way Ron or Jon are what their skill levels indicate. They are both a skill level under.
Also, if you let one rack get to you that much, there is a lot to learn. Because you are just getting in your own head. From what I’ve seen, it’s best to learn from that first rack and adjust accordingly and not get worked up about a competitive match. Ron might be a noble honest guy but once people realize that, some don’t give a damn and will take advantage of that.
Ivan, you and Ryu will both have to stick around and watch Ron progress. I’ll make you both believers in time!!
Ron actually does a lot better with these silly situations than I do. I lose focus and see Red in these moments…. Which is why I’m selective with who I gamble with, or I’ll lose my ass 😂
He *really* needed to win this one ………
One rack in:
1st double hit was as obvious as they come. The second one sure looked like a double hit too, but the balls were so far apart I feel like he would have had to do that on purpose!
So few people know how to see a double hit in the APA - I think the Dr Dave video should be required viewing for anyone who's an SL 4 or above. I've had our league operator watch shots like that first one, and been flabbergasted when he says "good hit".
The kick on the 7 really looks like a foul when advancing frame by frame (you can see the 8 ball start moving before the 7), but in real time, there's no way I call that. Especially since the out was there anyway.
I can’t agree with you more!!! 💯💯💯
Thank you for chiming in, seriously 🤙🏼🤙🏼 we’ll get the next one 🔥
Could this also have been a push shot?
My opinion that first one was a push shot, not a double hit. Which (I think) even in APA is a foul... The second one was close , both a situation where the 45°rule would come into play. Regarding the shark reference, unless the definition has changed, a shark is a really good player. Jon was not sharking anything. His moves, if anything, would be dick moves, commonly made by inferior players who want to win by any means possible.
Idk when “shark” started referencing distractions. I first heard that when I joined APA 15 years ago (ha!)
Your comments…. 😂😂😂
Yeah. DBag for sure. When I’ve come across that I’ll get down for my shot. Warm up stroke. Then stand up and go have a sip of my beer. Go ask their captain if he always does stuff like that. It actually doesn’t bother my game much, but it irritates the heck out of me when they wanna ‘play that game’. I don’t think it bothers my game anyway. I believe in honor and complimenting good shots and have no issue telling my opponents as much. Respect is earned and I’ll give it up when due. So I think I diffuse much of that kind of behavior early, when it happens it’s pretty obvious it’s deliberate B**ch move and everybody knows it.
Lol he’s the captain 😀
You’re spot on though man. I wished it didn’t bother me as much as it does, but I’m working on it… i fueled the fire unfortunately…
If someone is sharking the opponent should get ball in hand.
….. and $50.00
i hate playing these types of people... double hits are really easy to recognize, but sometimes you dont have time to get a ref to watch... and pool etiquette is a must if you're on my team. get away from the table if you're not shooting. if my opponent is shooting toward me, I'll move out of their line of sight if I can as well. lol the chalking in the line of sight.... in all honesty, it seems like he's just dim and oblivious to things like this... like a regular bar player.
1,000%!!!!! But he was pretty rude about a lot of stuff, especially when I confronted him about these tactics…. So maybe 1 part oblivious, 1 part poor sport. 🤷🏻♂️
@@drewvonporte quite possible! I'm such a trusting person that I always see the good in people, even when it isn't there. it's really more of a flaw than anything lol
Sharking issue: in the 1st instance certainly inconsiderate after that blatant. Double hit issues: 1st instance definitely double hit. 2nd instance I don't think so . From my camera angle he had to shoot at angle to cut ball to side pocket. So I think DH less likely. Wrt 7 and 8 ball foul: I think Qb hit both balls at same time. But since you guys were not watching to challenge you probably screwed yourself in being able to argue. However, bottom line is questionable shots should be watched.
…. And if they aren’t watched, it goes to the shooter haha whatev… this is water under the bridge now, but was a very frustrating night!!
Yeah, he’s “looming” over the table. Like happened, I’d just assume, or pretend to, that yes just ignorant and not doing it on purpose so “could you back off the table a little”. If he keeps doing it after that time to make a bigger deal out of it.
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Wow ! That rail on the lag was dead.
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At 11:07 definitely a good hit. Resulting in a loss for Ron.
To say it was “definitely” a good hit, with this view, from this far away…. Even slowed down…. Might be a bit optimistic. Which Ill take any optimism we can get 😅
But it def was too close to call for the opponent to see it far away and call it himself 😂😂 whatever man 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ heda lost regardless, which is why we both just laughed about him really wanting ball-in-hand anyway
When they come to the table like that, I just stand up and stare at them. Usually they get the hint. Unless it is an accident, which sometimes legitimately happens. I would have liked your buddy to have played a few more safeties instead of taking some of those tougher shots. Sorry about having to deal with sharking in this match. Unfortunately, we see it all too often.
Yeah, it’s tough…. Thanks, but you’re right, it happens unfortunately 👎🏼
Being passive aggressive with people is not the right answer. If you think someone is standing too close to the table just tell them that. If they keep doing it they are sharking.
You’re right, he probably doesn’t think that approaching the table can affect someone’s focus. That’s why I asked what you guys thought!
@@drewvonporte it will amaze you how many people don’t know proper etiquette until someone teaches them. My understanding is most people that join apa hang out in bars where it’s just a bunch of friends hanging out and drinking and putting their drinks on the rail. And they think that is proper. And obviously it’s not until someone tells them otherwise.
@@tryingtolearnthis you are definitely right, and he’s new in our division so.
I did end up approaching him later, asking him if he was newer, and saying that we felt he was throwing our league’s etiquette and rules to the wayside and it’s upsetting all of us.
To which he cut me off and told me he’s been playing in this F-ing league for 9 years so I need to shut the F up and sit the F down 😂…
So yes 🤷🏻♂️ it definitely amazes me haha thank you for weighing in!!
Where do you play?
BATL out of Scottsdale, AZ
My for thought was he was just a jerk that doesn’t know any better. Two things changed my mind; 9 years playing in a league and as soon as Ron asked him to “stand anywhere else”, he stopped doing it.He’s had 9 years to perfect his technique.
Right????…. Ugh… some people, man…
@10:55 too close to see. Looked like it hit both at the same time to me. But probably didn't matter like you said. Ball in hand shape anyways.
Unfortunately…. 😔
This last example when dude stood up was unacceptable. I woulda stared at him till he sat his ass down. Or told him to, the other instance he was barely in view..
Thats fair!
Sharking is strategies that most efficiently separate an opponent from there money. If you know that game you could easily increase your win percentage by 50% in the APA.
Unsportsmanlike Conduct in the APA refers to any act to gain an unfair advantage. The rulebook points to cheating and exhibiting poor behavior.
Your options are to speak with your division rep and league operator. If they do nothing and your disagreeable enough... do unto others as they do to you. I mean if it isn't an issue then why not. In general I try and be nice until it is glaring obvious about their intent. Participation in something for a long time doesn't change the fact that they might have low intelligence or tweaking off drugs or alcohol.
Personally I think there are dumb rules and rules that get ignored. Such as anything that would alter the path of the cue ball is a foul so I kick at a ball and bump an obstructing ball that then allows a good hit is a foul but it happens fairly often. A 45 degree elevation will cure a double hit. You can mark a pocket with a chalk holder but not a cube of chalk. You can scoop the cue ball over another ball for a good hit as long as it wasn't intentional. Which relies on the honesty of the player.... Which is why we have rules in the first place is to remove the honesty portion from a contest.
On a side note... Where you in Vegas 3-4 weeks ago with the APA?
I 100% agree with ya man… killing me….
I was!!! We had a blast!!
with a scratch playing the eight not making the eight I thought it was ball i hand not loss of game?
In APA League rules, a scratch on the 8 is a loss, whether its made or not.
He plays on Monday and Thursday nights…this sharking is NOTHING in comparison to those nights
😂😂 Well I’m sorry you have to deal with that then sheeeeeeesh!
The guy should deal with it. The guy probably doesn't realize.
For sure
i thought in vegas rules if you sink the white on the eight ball your opponent still had to run out with ball in hand? Bar rules it is game over.
APA a scratch on the 8 is a loss. I believe in BCA a scratch on the 8 is not a loss and the opponent gets ball-in-hand.
@@drewvonporte Thanks, I am from Canada so not familiar with the apa rules. BCA there is no slop also?
@@repentofidols yes, I believe BCA is call-your-pocket 🤙🏼
I have commented that Ron should not be a 5 in one of your previous videos. @19:50 a 5 should not be missing the 8 as bad as he did, but even before that shot @19:40 Ron should have drawn the cue ball back about 8-12 inches. Ron's bridge may be a little longer than in the past so that he can let his stroke out better, but his stroke on the 7 had weak follow through. Sorry Drew, I still stand behind my assessment that Ron should not be a 5 yet.
Ryu, it will be my lifelong quest, to make you a believer 🙏🏼
Lol in all seriousness, I think I will succeed. Ron is still pretty new to the game and learning each week. He will be a 6 before the end of this year… and I will be making you all Rooster Ronians!!!
I look forward to seeing Ron's growth in this great game. I also look forward to watching more of your games and kicking @$$
@@cosc137 Ryu, I just know where he’s coming from and see the improvements happening. Hes progressing very quickly for someone who plays once, MAYBE twice a week. I’m trying to share each and every one of my ‘aha’ moments that took me years to figure out. I know how he sees the game, and oftentimes, (like this 8-ball), his errors are just lack of experience, which I’m FINE with. Those errors will start to come less and less and things will fall into place…. YOU WAIT AND SEE!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
At 19:50, you see him LIVE learn an *extremely* valuable lesson
I think "Jon" was just ignorant, not sharking; but I could be wrong.
Hey you’re totally right man! Hard to make it 9 years in this league without catching on to etiquette but 🤷🏻♂️
the first one was clearly a double hit, but nobody watching means it goes to the shooter. the second one, he was shooting away from the 9 ball, so without being on top of it being a watcher I would say 'good hit'. Without knowing the layout of the room, I didn't think he was 'too' close. I've played some crowded tight places where your opponent almost has to be standing a foot from the talbe, so hard to tell. BUT, if my opponent walks up the table right as I'm getting ready to shoot the 8 then I consider that as conceding the match and I'll not shoot at it. The second time where he walked up while our guy was getting ready to shoot - sharking. And, the following kick shot to call that a safe - BS. The third time when he walks up and picks up chalk off the table, I'm talking to his captains and/or league operator. The shot on the 7 ball was clearly 8 ball first based of trajectory of the balls. But, probably hard to pick up real time without a spotter looking over it. I had the advantage of stop/start video. But, somebody should have yelled for a spotter well before theshot.
I will tell you, I can get petty at times. So, if he didn't stop , and his captain didn't have him stop then I would have been blatantly sharking him the remainder of the match. In a similar situation a few years ago had a guy doing this to one of my players. His captain said "well, that' just him" and left it at that. The next time his guy got down on a shot I took two cubes of masters up to the table, rolled them across the table and yelled "come on SEVEN". Then said "Oh, I'm sorry, were you about to shoot". Almost caused an escalated confrontation, but I got my point across.
George…. He’s their team captain….
Later, his SL-3 got to the 8-ball and he *very* loudly explained EXACTLY what he would do, incredibly loud. Enough that his 3 stopped and looked at him 😂.
I said across the table “hey, so is that your timeout?”
To which he said “You guys need to shut the F up and sit the F down!!” 😂
I approached and assumed he must be new to the APA and organized pool based on all of these events. He said he’s been playing in this APA for “9 F-ing years”.
….. win some, lose some.
@@drewvonporte with this type of attitude and his mannerisms i've come to the conclusion the guy is just an azzhole. Just sayin
@@drewvonporte I think you have an issue that might need league operator to step on. I understand getting petty, I've been there. But I always walk away thinking to myself "crap, we were supposed to be having fun" and feel a bit bad that I gave crap back. Best just to call in an impartial at the moment and ask for a ruling. Just from watching this video though, that cat really needs a lesson in etiquette and rules.
@@georgepotter353 honestly, those thoughts are EXACTLY what went through my head. I thought “we have fun here every Tuesday night…. And now I’m getting yelled at and tensions from both teams are through the roof”
He is no longer a part of this league, and a new, young player took over his team. The nicest guy, and I am working on posting his match next! I hope you tune in!!
@@drewvonporte will be sure to watch. I enjoy your vids and the work that you do on them. I'm 47 years in IT. I know that editing video is a time consuming thing.
im going to be honest this Jon shot more like a 2 then a 4 granted ive only watched the first game for 9 years of playing leagues hes clearly learned nothing
why do you keep calling a 4 who plays like crap a really good player? i understand respect but like come on we both know the guy can barely control the cue ball if he wants to
You need to teach your guys how to do Safeties. If you can't make a shot, stick the other guy.
You’re telling me 😅
8:10 was also another double hit
😅😅😅…….. 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️………….
First you got to call me to watch those shots. They were all pushed or double hits. Second he may have been sharking may not it was hard to tell. Either way Ron needs to toughen up. He needs to practice with distractions so this won’t hurt him. I know personally sharking doesn’t really affect me but years of full contact competitive sports helps. He can’t touch you so just make the shot and look and smile the sharks will stop. Ron got rattled and Ron should look at himself and get sharkproof. Go play in a bar and sharks are everywhere it’s comical to me.
I think this guy knew what he was doing and has a background in bar pool, chalking while your opponent is shooting is just elementary school bs
Just wild man lol. Guys been playing for 9 years or whatever 🤯🤡
it does not make sense. in regular league play you sandbag if you are trying to cheat. you should hope that guy goes up because of those double hits, getting in line of site, etc. are you saying he was ALSO talking to his SL3 player when it was the SL3 turn without calling a timeout?! got to wonder where this guy played in league before.
He was talking to another person on his team about what the SL3 should be doing, very loudly. Enough that the SL3 stopped and looked at him as if he was talking to him 😂
He played around here, in Phoenix. A lot of the other players in my league warned me about him haha but I never expected this…. Sheeeeeesh
That was tough to watch...
Shoulda been there in person … 🤢
Totally sharking and blatant double hitting. I'm a fairly decent APA 4 and tell my teammates all the time to watch out for double hits. I call out the double hits on my teammates when they happen because I don't want any complaints when I call them on the other team. Any playoff match would have them called so they should be called in regular weekly play.
💯💯💯💯!!!!!
yeah the dude was rude
@8:35 Call over a 3rd party to watch. This guy either has no etiquette or is ignorant of the rules. Plus calling over someone will get into his head. First time, shame on him. 2nd time shame on you if you don't call someone over.
100%. When he was doing it on the 9-ball (second time), I looked at Ron like “he can’t be serious?”… and Ron then told me he just did it a few minutes ago too 😂
Ay yi yi man
You are being dramatic. But it's a good thing.
Me??… dramatic?!….. never…… 😅
Every league has them, unfortunately. Definitely push shot fouls, and the safety call was a joke.The 7/8 looked like a bad hit. Not being an APA player, what is the advantage of marking it a safety? I play a league similar to APA, and the ruling on pushing is, if it's less than a cube of chalk you can push through. We all hate it, but it saves the LO from fielding phone calls, solving arguments on league nights.
APA’s thing (or at least my local league’s) used to be: if it’s within a chalk, you essentially MUST jack up or MUST shoot away from it at a sharp angle. I think that was also their way of avoiding a lot of conflict 🤣 at least forced people to TRY!
So the algorithm takes into account the amount of innings that players take each rack. Lower skill level players may take 5-10 innings/turns per rack to clear…. While higher skill players may take 0-3 innings to clear.
But what if two high skill level players have a safety battle in a rack? Making it go 12 innings (sometimes more!). You mark safeties on the score sheet to account for that. A safety in the APA is defined as “Not trying to pocket a ball”.
I know in BCA, you can make a ball AND play safe (forfeit your turn), which I think is Wild lol not in APA. Or any other league I’m aware of…
@@drewvonporte thanks, I kind of gathered as much. I guess I'm still confused on what he thinks he's gaining (and maybe he doesn't know, since he's a hack), in saying it was a safe? Isn't he trying to say he's a better player? If so, that doesn't make sense.
The world will never know 🫠🫠🫠….
Check his stats
🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ water under the bridge
More than just rude. Rude ignorant and deliberate
That’s why I asked you guys…. He had a reputation about him but gatdamn! Wasn’t expecting THAT! 😅😅
Chalking during his shot no good.
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my lord your playing in a bar in obviously a bar league. i watched the vid to see a "shark" as in a money player. this guy is standing 4 ft away. the chalking incident your boy did a fair call but you guys need to be able to deal with every distraction there is. you talk about shooting tournaments but distracted by these little things? the cap guy is a poor shooter and any shooter should have run through him regardless.
They don’t call it “sharking” because of their pool skill! 😂😂
Haha that’s fine man, that’s why I asked your input! I think most of us in any organized league play expect a certain standard/respect… but not everyone does clearly! Thanks for your input!
You just do it back to him.
Stoop to their level, i like it 😈
They suck at lagging
You should see em' play! xD
Worst 4 and 5 iv seen
Thank you!
@@drewvonporte People that comment on SL are something