as a lefty i personaly use an cheap numerical keypad combine with autohotkey for example 0=space 1=alt 2=ctrl 3=shift 4=LeftBracket 5=LeftMouseClick 6=RightBracket 7=ctrl+alt+z 8=H(horizontal flip) 9=ctrl+alt+y and I can also combine 2 or 3 keys for example hold 0 and press 5 = rightmouseclick, more complex macro etc...
I'm a lefty too and I used the same setup for a long while. It's really sad how the keyboard layout and most shortcuts favor right-handedness, and then a lot of software won't even let you remap a lot of things freely to the numpad. Autohotkey really is a blessing.
I was expecting it to be in like the 50-80 dollar range so seeing the price put my uni student ass into sticker shock. For now, it'll just be something to dream about for the future v~v
you can buy a small 'programmable keypad' for under $50 US and program single keys to do any keyboard combinations you want. you could even do something crazy like Alt + Ctrl + Shift + D with a single key
Tourbox looks nice but the tartarus/orbweaver is cheaper, has many more buttons, and I think better ergonomics. The only downside is having to use razer's software.
@@randommcranderson5155 I agree. The software is quite bad, because sometimes it freeze or stopped, but the device is very good, and very confortable to me
Oh man, finally seeing this in English. I've heard of the controller idea before trying to find examples in the manga scene. The thing that got me hot on the hotkey path is the Urasawa Naoki's Manben episode of Junji Ito ( Urasawa Naoki no Manben ). Ito's homemade hotkey pad is some both madness and the most beautiful I've ever seen. I use an extra number keypad (I'm right handed, keys usually on left), with basically 12 most used keys, CSP is really cool with its auto-actions, I assigned a button auto-action to do COPY and PASTE in one button.
What I did, was I just used a Logitech game controller and Joy To Key to map the shortcuts to different inputs. It's actually really easy and allows any shortcuts in photoshop including mouse mobility. All possible keyboard combinations and works with any controller! It worked for me! Edit: It also solves the repeating command issue, as you have a press and hold to repeat option, where you can set the rate of repeating too. I think you should try the joytokey method. It's a bit bumpier, but it works and it''s a lot cheaper!
Like many other artists I know, I am using a Razer key pad (mine is Tartarus v2). It has a wheel, switch and around 25 buttons. All keys can be easily modified with a free razer app. It's very comfortable to lay your hand on and you can use is for long working sessions. The pretty design, RGB light and the fact you can use it for gaming when you're not working is really cool. The only downside is that it takes some time to get used to and remember where you put each shortcut. Btw, I think it's still cheaper than the Tourbox...
I use a old Wii Remote, with JoyToKey software to map each keys and it's very great. - JoyToKey let you assign profiles (e.g. per software) AND layers, like in programmable keyboards. I have mapped the B key (Big button behind, always accessible) to layer 2 while holding, layer 1 when released, so I have a total of 20 keys (10 layer 1 + 10 layer 2, even more with tap/hold function), if I click on the A button, it will CTRL+Z, if I hold the B button (layer 2) + click A, it'll redo (CTRL+Y). You can even access more buttons with tap or hold function, e.g. my left arrow, when tapped is the brush tool, but when holding it for more than 1 sec enable the eraser. - Only thing I'm missing is a joystick, I think a nunchuk can be connected and you can map it too but then it'll require two hands. A Nintendo Switch joy-con can be used with the same software, it's smaller, you still get access to 10 buttons + a joystick. It'll be my next remote but I don't have a Switch atm and can't find a solo remote for sale. - You can hold it in one hand and access all buttons. - The silicone case improves the holding experience. - It is bluetooth, so no files required. - You can buy an old Wii Remote second hand at a cheap price.
A note on the idea with the controller, which leads me to want to try some things, is a program called reWASD. It offers a wide variety of key configuration support and device support. It's super in-depth and let's you map different profiles configurations. Granted you would "lose" a button, but you could map say, the trigger to switch into a different mode which would have all the other buttons available for a different set of tasks/hotkeys/etc.
The Nintendo Switch Joy Con makes for a pretty neat Shortcut remote too. I Personally recommend a 8BitDo Zero Gamepad with something like the "Joy2Key" Application or AutoHotkey. Both the, the 8BitDo and Joy Con, are made to fit into one hand comfortly and offer a lot of buttons.
I've set up my tablet's 12 hotkeys for photoshop like this: 1-mirror canvas hotkey, 2-S for smudge tool, 3-Undo (Ctrl+Z), 4-Alt key, 5-B (brush), 6- E (eraser), 7-Ctrl+T(free transform), 8-Ctrl+D (deselect selection), 9-Esc, 10-Enter, 11-Ctrl, 12-Shift. Also I set a sensor wheell on my tablet for R (rotation). On my pen I set bottom button to Z for calling zoom function, and I set upper button as a RightMouseButton. And that's all. I don't need keyboard at all while drawing... Except maybe when I am typing a name of a file for my new drawing when I am creating new file )))) (my tablet is Huion HS-610)
@@BoroCG Lasso tool I am just picking by hitting an icon of a lasso tool in photoshop's tool panel. I don't use lasso tool very often. Probably only once in 10 minutes in average, so I don't need a shortcut hotkey for it. :)
seems like this has a lot more potential combinations than an 20 button mouse though. Still very overpriced. I'd probably pay $40 max for something like this.
@@BoroCG you have no idea how long I've been looking into this. German keyboards only have a "real" Alt-Key on the left side, the right one is Alt+Gr which is Alt and Ctrl pressed at the same time. Won't work for sampling or other usual functions of Alt in Photoshop or Zbrush for example. I always have to cross my arms for pressing Alt. It sucks. Had a Contour Design Shuttle Pro, which is an awesome device with very nice drivers but the buttons are very clicky and nothing like a keyboard key, not very ergonomic if you paint 5-6 hours a day. I would kill for a good, simple to remap and use keyboard with totally free, programmable keys. Then, there's the 3dconnexion stuff, expensive as hell and almost has too many features. Best would really be something like a Razer Orbweaver or Nostromo but for the right hand so we lefties can still paint. Controllers are cool, but in my experience not very reliable because the remapping is often too complex. Then, there's Autohotkey, also a bit tricky to get into. Works when set up most of the times, but sometimes Windows interferes and I have to manually restart the program or even the PC to get it back to usual work. TLDR; we lefties need to unite and bring Razer to relase a programmable Keypad for the right hand. :D
@@BoroCG www.amazon.co.uk/Razer-Tartarus-Progammable-Detachable-Mecha-Membrane/dp/B077T9391Z/ref=asc_df_B077T9391Z/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=310665672682&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=17152728002986946118&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9046659&hvtargid=pla-408921656810&psc=1&th=1&psc=1 I've been using a cheap non-branded version of this for years. Way more key combinations and a d-pad tilt and mouse scroll wheel for brushes, layers etc.
Joycon + Xppader is the best convo. 20+ shortcuts and everything works like a charm. Ps3 nav controller also works pretty well, for those with bigger hands.
Tourbox is good - i think it benefits most from constant dedicated use. The keyboard is so large and everything clearly labelled and you know it off by heart. Until you commit the tourbox controls to memory properly the keyboard is still a more pleasurable experience.
I used a flight stick Logitech G X52 a few years ago. It had a lot of stuffs for mapping like wheel, something to move the mouse, toggle button and some kind of mini stick to control the mouse. I used only the Throttle and wasn't really holding it in my hands but it was comfortable on the desk. It was pretty handy and since I used for sims also, it was worth it in my case.
$25 left hand solution, the PlayStation mini controller is a good controller for this Im using it temporarily while I wait on my macropad since I had it anyway I mainly use zbrush but I turn the controller to the sticks facing my laptop and use only the right side of it right stick brush size (L to R), X Ctrl, Square alt, Triangle shift, Circle Brush, R1 Polyframes, R2 Symmetry and I have undo on my pen and it flows perfectly for me for now
I was thinking about getting myself a streamdeck for something like this, but I haven't tried it out yet. Apparently it's really powerful for macros and doesn't require you to be focused on a specific application. Normally it's made for streamers, so this example is for a streamer, but the video I watched showed that one push of a button could scroll back through the live video someone was streaming, grab the last 30 seconds, and upload it to twitter with a specific caption. I'm probably not describing it well, but it sounds really cool, and might be worth looking into.
I understand that the price has to be hight since its a niche tool, for a specific purpouse and since demand will be low it needs to pay itself, but its just not worth it, as cool as it is, hopefully one day, for now ill suffer with my keyboard still
I set one of my pen buttons to space and one to ctrl+space which does the scroll zoom most of the time! It's super nice to navigate the canvas while letting my left hand slack off haha Also, your idea to put the keyboard on top of the tablet is genius. I did it when I saw it on your last vid and it's been amazing. I personally think the keyboard is perfect for me but it's cool to know that there's stuff like this!
I use a controller the Hyperkin x91. And map it to work with Clip Studio with JoytoKey. It's free, only the controller costs 29 but I had one laying around so.. I can do everything I need, from scrolling page, zooming, changing angle, changing and increasing brush size. I use all the buttons from the left side and its's wonderfull time saver.
oh my, a digital pen with two buttons on top and a scroll wheel at 90° that goes through both sides would be pretty nice. one could use the thumb to press the buttons and index finger to scroll and it would be left hand friendly.
My left hand is killing me trying to 'piano' the keyboard during art but man, these things are wayyyyy to expensive for a glorified controller. edit: I forgot I got to take the ShuttlePro from work home because nobody is using it! It has way more buttons (so great for hotkey users like me) , can definitely recommend this one. Fixed all my issues and the price is pretty good for what it is.
Have you ever tried out the Wacom Express Key Remote? It seems to me like it'd give you pretty much what you tried to achieve with the PS4 controller. It has a lot of buttons that are configurable on a per-application basis, so you can map different shortcuts for each different software. It's also light and wireless, so you can rest your arm in any pose you like while using it. Sadly, the touch-scroll-wheel is pretty bad and I wish they'd used a physical wheel like on a mouse, because the one on the remote is very imprecise. I've never managed to use it well for things like brush size. On the other hand, painting software usually has options that let you hold down a button and then control the brush size by moving the Wacom pen. Basically, what I want to say is that the Wacom Remote doesn't have any sort of analog input... but for pressing shortcuts I find it a very good option. For me as a lefty the symmetrical design is a plus as well.
thats a heavy pricetag. i just use a 10 dollar generic keypad and drew some pictures of the shortcuts on tape and placed them over the keys booted Hid macro and have a single setup for clipstudio and photoshop(i saw a video of someone doing this years ago on YT and just copied it).
In my opinion nothing beats the Shuttle Pro :) that thing does the job for professionals in many creative fields and can be completely customized to individual programs (like wacom shortcuts). And it's cheap compared to all these new gadgets (there was another that costs several 100s...)
Is a nice controller. I think I would get annoyed with lack of buttons idk. Was using Razer Tartarus v2 for PC was quite nice with only downside for me was that it did not have on board memory and required software. So when I got iPad Pro it didn't work, but got a Koolertron 23 Keypad and have been using it with iPad Pro cause I can't escape keyboard modifiers in clip studio pro! D: Easily programmed it on a Windows PC via the software. Has on board memory so can plug into any device with same function effect. You can program it to switch to different layers. Was even able to have a layer for media controls that works on cellphone, pc, tablet. Does not have scroll wheel, but could always consider holding a key to modify and drag of the stylus to create effect you want, like increase brush size or zoom in. With iPad is not a problem as am usually using touch to navigate. Keycaps suck though, the texture wears off after few months and gets slippery and oily quickly, so might have to get a doubleshot pbt keycap set if you plan on using it. Can also consider a Planck EZ keyboard which is small form factor, but if you take time can make it full keyboard as well as marco keyboard for whatever you can think of with it being fully programmable and has so many layers. Is just tough moving on from one device to another when you get used to it. I often go back to my Koolertron Keypad, but still wish for functionality of the scroll wheel and thumb button stick of the Razer Tartarus v2. Anyways point is everyone has a different ultimate xD
I think it can be a lot more ergonomic and simple. my brain is already coming up with many different ideas that would expand its user-base and even make it cheaper to manufacture.
Lol I am still playing around with a lenovo flex I bought last year. I can spin the canvas around with one hand and draw with the pen in the other. Since I am refreshing and learning new ways to draw/paint digitally, I'll stick with the simple bare bones things. I hate multi tasking. I got it over a drawing tablet simply because I like drawing. I enjoy doing it. I also like learning how to make software. So this was the best of 2 worlds lol.
You should look at the "macro king" video from linus tech tips, for me having a corsair keyboard as a secondary with fully customized key is a good equivalent too
Seen this thing before over at Adam from Lucidpixels too! This looks like an awesome device and i think i will get one in a while. I will still wait a bit though to see if support is doing some more extensions and especially if they keep it functional long term. I'm really burned by companys that throw great ideas onto the market and then abandon their product leaving you with a bad piece of hardware a year later. But in generel this is one of the best input devices i have seen since the graphic drawing tablet lol
I've already been using it for over 2 years, the community is great and the app only keeps getting better. They've just released a Bluetooth version. I don't think the company is going anywhere anytime soon.
I'm using an XP-Pen AC19 pad which is similar but much cheaper,. It works pretty well and I'm using it on a Huion Graphic Display and Clip Studio etc with no problems!
In my opinion hot keys are terrible for art as you have to memorize a lot more individual buttons to do very specific tasks rather than developing muscle memory to make a few buttons do a wide variety of tasks. The hands down best tool is a left side keyboard which is just a keyboard cut in half. The left side has just about everything, CTRL, ALT, Z, X, C, Z, Tab, Shift, Space, T, all of these things do everything you need it to do. I never touched those awful hot key rows with the little bumps on them so you know which one your hand is on or these macro boards with the dial.
I have a Deiyra mini mechanical keyboard, Razer Chroma green switch keypad and a clip studio tabmate for keys to use in art, as well as the included express key remote for the cintiq 24 pro.
I'd love some freeform lucidpixul-like content from you where you just paint whatever comes to mind and talk about irrelevant or partially relevant bullcrap
I tend to use GamePads for PC like the Razer Orbweaver, super customizable, they got rid of the scroll wheel for some reason but other gamepads can come with scroll wheels
i have a surfacebook and a wacom cintiq 27... i think easiest is the keaboard LOL the wacom express remote is good but idk im not used to holding anything beside a keybaord in my hand... i also tried "radial menu" to get touch buttons on scree.. .its pretty good i almost like it better.... thought about getting a surface dial or a one hand gaming keyboard.. but idk i think i will just keep my keebaord on top with a keyboard holder.. i also have to say im only using the pen function to draw figures faces etc... for most illustration work like for example fonts or logos i mostly prefere the normal mouse and keybaord...
I completely complete with you about Corel Painter. Please, for the love of god, better implemention in the Tourbox! (I'm not even using Painter yet, but I'm tin e Corel family, since PhotoShop, which I use a bit for drawing so far) Thanks in advance!
I actually tried to set up my xbox one s pad to control things in PS, as i thought i saw you were using one a few videos ago, but not get it to work :) . Have to look into this one.
im surprised on the amount of short cuts i didnt know PS still had...then again i dont use PS that often but yeah i would soo get it if the price wasnt soo high D:
They dropped the ball on this not being wireless. Most of us don't work at a desk like this. We work in an odd comfy chair in some weird position with our laptop folded into drawing mode. We don't need a wire to bend or break another usb port in that situation.
$170 seems like a lot for what is essentially a keyboard with very few buttons and a scroller. There are actual keyboards with scrollers on them out there for less.
If you main CSP, get the Tabmate, comfy, super practical, intuitive, and cheap. Anything else, get Razer Nostromo/Tartarus/Orbweaver gamepads. There needs to be made an Tabmate sort of thing that works with all programs, that thing has the form factor of that one side of controller with all the buttons you need and possibility for multi tools on each button, if need be.
I tired the controller thing. But couldn't get any of the buttons or macros I made to work with photoshop . Something simple like 3 for trigger and crt+alt+z for bumper didnt register as a press
as a lefty i personaly use an cheap numerical keypad combine with autohotkey
for example 0=space 1=alt 2=ctrl 3=shift 4=LeftBracket 5=LeftMouseClick 6=RightBracket 7=ctrl+alt+z
8=H(horizontal flip) 9=ctrl+alt+y and I can also combine 2 or 3 keys for example
hold 0 and press 5 = rightmouseclick, more complex macro etc...
and if i need to enter numerical value i switch to number by activated VerrNum
I'm a lefty too and I used the same setup for a long while. It's really sad how the keyboard layout and most shortcuts favor right-handedness, and then a lot of software won't even let you remap a lot of things freely to the numpad. Autohotkey really is a blessing.
I was interested in the device then I click the link and saw the price, I was no more interested
Yeah, shame it's not more affordable
I was expecting it to be in like the 50-80 dollar range so seeing the price put my uni student ass into sticker shock. For now, it'll just be something to dream about for the future v~v
Wireless numpad for
@Alex Schlee there is also the razer tartarus its just like the orbweaver but cheaper since the switches are not mechanical
@@BoroCG like 50$ it would be ok especially that as you said the build is not that premium
you can buy a small 'programmable keypad' for under $50 US and program single keys to do any keyboard combinations you want. you could even do something crazy like Alt + Ctrl + Shift + D with a single key
can you provide a good link to one please?
@@royaltoadclub8322 yeah i also would like this
I use the Razer Tartarus v2. I love it for the ease of customization and confort. Would love to see a cheaper version with no RGB though.
I have a question is it still working after some months ?
@@midollafun I have been using it for 10 months, every work day for 8 hours. Still works like a charm.
That's good was thinking about buying one
I use a Razer Tartarus. It has more buttons and a good system of macros
Interesting!
I've been using Razer Tartarus v2 for over 2 years now! That gamer thing is actually perfect for creators too!
Tourbox looks nice but the tartarus/orbweaver is cheaper, has many more buttons, and I think better ergonomics. The only downside is having to use razer's software.
@@randommcranderson5155 I agree. The software is quite bad, because sometimes it freeze or stopped, but the device is very good, and very confortable to me
Same here, I've been using it for a long time. Now being mostly on the iPad Pro, I wish there was some device like that for it!
Oh man, finally seeing this in English. I've heard of the controller idea before trying to find examples in the manga scene.
The thing that got me hot on the hotkey path is the Urasawa Naoki's Manben episode of Junji Ito ( Urasawa Naoki no Manben ). Ito's homemade hotkey pad is some both madness and the most beautiful I've ever seen.
I use an extra number keypad (I'm right handed, keys usually on left), with basically 12 most used keys, CSP is really cool with its auto-actions, I assigned a button auto-action to do COPY and PASTE in one button.
Your reviews are spot-on for that perfect blend of technical detail, functionality and art. Love it!
Wow Boro, this tool is a MUST HAVE ! :) Cheers for the vid man
Thanks for your enthusiastic review of the tourbox 👍🏼 . Your experienced advice on the functionality & potential of this device is appreciated.
What I did, was I just used a Logitech game controller and Joy To Key to map the shortcuts to different inputs. It's actually really easy and allows any shortcuts in photoshop including mouse mobility. All possible keyboard combinations and works with any controller! It worked for me!
Edit: It also solves the repeating command issue, as you have a press and hold to repeat option, where you can set the rate of repeating too. I think you should try the joytokey method. It's a bit bumpier, but it works and it''s a lot cheaper!
i have a clip studio tabmate! it holds like a wii nunchuck and functions very well with clip studio, which is the primary software i use.
Same
Like many other artists I know, I am using a Razer key pad (mine is Tartarus v2). It has a wheel, switch and around 25 buttons. All keys can be easily modified with a free razer app. It's very comfortable to lay your hand on and you can use is for long working sessions. The pretty design, RGB light and the fact you can use it for gaming when you're not working is really cool. The only downside is that it takes some time to get used to and remember where you put each shortcut. Btw, I think it's still cheaper than the Tourbox...
It costs a fraction of it, yes.
Tourbox seems like a trap for new artists and impulse buyers.
I use a old Wii Remote, with JoyToKey software to map each keys and it's very great.
- JoyToKey let you assign profiles (e.g. per software) AND layers, like in programmable keyboards. I have mapped the B key (Big button behind, always accessible) to layer 2 while holding, layer 1 when released, so I have a total of 20 keys (10 layer 1 + 10 layer 2, even more with tap/hold function), if I click on the A button, it will CTRL+Z, if I hold the B button (layer 2) + click A, it'll redo (CTRL+Y). You can even access more buttons with tap or hold function, e.g. my left arrow, when tapped is the brush tool, but when holding it for more than 1 sec enable the eraser.
- Only thing I'm missing is a joystick, I think a nunchuk can be connected and you can map it too but then it'll require two hands. A Nintendo Switch joy-con can be used with the same software, it's smaller, you still get access to 10 buttons + a joystick. It'll be my next remote but I don't have a Switch atm and can't find a solo remote for sale.
- You can hold it in one hand and access all buttons.
- The silicone case improves the holding experience.
- It is bluetooth, so no files required.
- You can buy an old Wii Remote second hand at a cheap price.
A note on the idea with the controller, which leads me to want to try some things, is a program called reWASD. It offers a wide variety of key configuration support and device support. It's super in-depth and let's you map different profiles configurations. Granted you would "lose" a button, but you could map say, the trigger to switch into a different mode which would have all the other buttons available for a different set of tasks/hotkeys/etc.
The Nintendo Switch Joy Con makes for a pretty neat Shortcut remote too.
I Personally recommend a 8BitDo Zero Gamepad with something like the "Joy2Key" Application or AutoHotkey.
Both the, the 8BitDo and Joy Con, are made to fit into one hand comfortly and offer a lot of buttons.
I've set up my tablet's 12 hotkeys for photoshop like this: 1-mirror canvas hotkey, 2-S for smudge tool, 3-Undo (Ctrl+Z), 4-Alt key, 5-B (brush), 6- E (eraser), 7-Ctrl+T(free transform), 8-Ctrl+D (deselect selection), 9-Esc, 10-Enter, 11-Ctrl, 12-Shift. Also I set a sensor wheell on my tablet for R (rotation). On my pen I set bottom button to Z for calling zoom function, and I set upper button as a RightMouseButton. And that's all. I don't need keyboard at all while drawing... Except maybe when I am typing a name of a file for my new drawing when I am creating new file ))))
(my tablet is Huion HS-610)
Sounds good, I like the idea with a simple Z shortcut for zoom function. But what about selection tool, like Lasso? Brush flow?
@@BoroCG Lasso tool I am just picking by hitting an icon of a lasso tool in photoshop's tool panel. I don't use lasso tool very often. Probably only once in 10 minutes in average, so I don't need a shortcut hotkey for it. :)
It's nice of them to have given you this tool.
I use Contour ShuttlePRO v2 for years, it is ergonomic for me just perfect.
11 buttons for $150? I'm sorry little one, but I'll stick to G600 mouse which have 20 buttons for $40
But how do you use it with a pen in your hand? A pretty good solution for left-handed artists I guess
seems like this has a lot more potential combinations than an 20 button mouse though. Still very overpriced. I'd probably pay $40 max for something like this.
@@BoroCG you have no idea how long I've been looking into this. German keyboards only have a "real" Alt-Key on the left side, the right one is Alt+Gr which is Alt and Ctrl pressed at the same time. Won't work for sampling or other usual functions of Alt in Photoshop or Zbrush for example. I always have to cross my arms for pressing Alt. It sucks.
Had a Contour Design Shuttle Pro, which is an awesome device with very nice drivers but the buttons are very clicky and nothing like a keyboard key, not very ergonomic if you paint 5-6 hours a day. I would kill for a good, simple to remap and use keyboard with totally free, programmable keys.
Then, there's the 3dconnexion stuff, expensive as hell and almost has too many features.
Best would really be something like a Razer Orbweaver or Nostromo but for the right hand so we lefties can still paint.
Controllers are cool, but in my experience not very reliable because the remapping is often too complex.
Then, there's Autohotkey, also a bit tricky to get into. Works when set up most of the times, but sometimes Windows interferes and I have to manually restart the program or even the PC to get it back to usual work.
TLDR; we lefties need to unite and bring Razer to relase a programmable Keypad for the right hand. :D
@@BoroCG www.amazon.co.uk/Razer-Tartarus-Progammable-Detachable-Mecha-Membrane/dp/B077T9391Z/ref=asc_df_B077T9391Z/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=310665672682&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=17152728002986946118&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9046659&hvtargid=pla-408921656810&psc=1&th=1&psc=1
I've been using a cheap non-branded version of this for years. Way more key combinations and a d-pad tilt and mouse scroll wheel for brushes, layers etc.
@@BoroCG thats me!
Joycon + Xppader is the best convo. 20+ shortcuts and everything works like a charm.
Ps3 nav controller also works pretty well, for those with bigger hands.
Tourbox is good - i think it benefits most from constant dedicated use. The keyboard is so large and everything clearly labelled and you know it off by heart. Until you commit the tourbox controls to memory properly the keyboard is still a more pleasurable experience.
I used a flight stick Logitech G X52 a few years ago. It had a lot of stuffs for mapping like wheel, something to move the mouse, toggle button and some kind of mini stick to control the mouse.
I used only the Throttle and wasn't really holding it in my hands but it was comfortable on the desk. It was pretty handy and since I used for sims also, it was worth it in my case.
DAng thats look so handy! Im no illustrator, just a hardcore photoshop user, but this tech looks so handy for adding smoother workflow
$25 left hand solution, the PlayStation mini controller is a good controller for this Im using it temporarily while I wait on my macropad since I had it anyway I mainly use zbrush but I turn the controller to the sticks facing my laptop and use only the right side of it right stick brush size (L to R), X Ctrl, Square alt, Triangle shift, Circle Brush, R1 Polyframes, R2 Symmetry and I have undo on my pen and it flows perfectly for me for now
I was thinking about getting myself a streamdeck for something like this, but I haven't tried it out yet. Apparently it's really powerful for macros and doesn't require you to be focused on a specific application. Normally it's made for streamers, so this example is for a streamer, but the video I watched showed that one push of a button could scroll back through the live video someone was streaming, grab the last 30 seconds, and upload it to twitter with a specific caption. I'm probably not describing it well, but it sounds really cool, and might be worth looking into.
I understand that the price has to be hight since its a niche tool, for a specific purpouse and since demand will be low it needs to pay itself, but its just not worth it, as cool as it is, hopefully one day, for now ill suffer with my keyboard still
late reply but check out the comments if you haven't already, lots of better and cheaper options =)
Mouse in right hand, pen in left, optimal choice for left handed person
I use the drevo keyboard and it has a wheel which is so convenient.
I’ve used some Wacom or another since the late 90s and I’ve always set the button on the pen to ‘pan’. Makes scrolling around anything painless.
I set one of my pen buttons to space and one to ctrl+space which does the scroll zoom most of the time! It's super nice to navigate the canvas while letting my left hand slack off haha
Also, your idea to put the keyboard on top of the tablet is genius. I did it when I saw it on your last vid and it's been amazing. I personally think the keyboard is perfect for me but it's cool to know that there's stuff like this!
I use a controller the Hyperkin x91. And map it to work with Clip Studio with JoytoKey. It's free, only the controller costs 29 but I had one laying around so..
I can do everything I need, from scrolling page, zooming, changing angle, changing and increasing brush size. I use all the buttons from the left side and its's wonderfull time saver.
A one handed keyboard plus the shortcuts on your tablet does all the work you need
oh my, a digital pen with two buttons on top and a scroll wheel at 90° that goes through both sides would be pretty nice. one could use the thumb to press the buttons and index finger to scroll and it would be left hand friendly.
To me that is awesome. I kinda want one now before I have the budget for it.
My left hand is killing me trying to 'piano' the keyboard during art but man, these things are wayyyyy to expensive for a glorified controller.
edit: I forgot I got to take the ShuttlePro from work home because nobody is using it! It has way more buttons (so great for hotkey users like me) , can definitely recommend this one. Fixed all my issues and the price is pretty good for what it is.
Have you ever tried out the Wacom Express Key Remote? It seems to me like it'd give you pretty much what you tried to achieve with the PS4 controller.
It has a lot of buttons that are configurable on a per-application basis, so you can map different shortcuts for each different software. It's also light and wireless, so you can rest your arm in any pose you like while using it.
Sadly, the touch-scroll-wheel is pretty bad and I wish they'd used a physical wheel like on a mouse, because the one on the remote is very imprecise. I've never managed to use it well for things like brush size. On the other hand, painting software usually has options that let you hold down a button and then control the brush size by moving the Wacom pen. Basically, what I want to say is that the Wacom Remote doesn't have any sort of analog input... but for pressing shortcuts I find it a very good option. For me as a lefty the symmetrical design is a plus as well.
great video as always, thanks .👍
thats a heavy pricetag. i just use a 10 dollar generic keypad and drew some pictures of the shortcuts on tape and placed them over the keys booted Hid macro and have a single setup for clipstudio and photoshop(i saw a video of someone doing this years ago on YT and just copied it).
In my opinion nothing beats the Shuttle Pro :) that thing does the job for professionals in many creative fields and can be completely customized to individual programs (like wacom shortcuts).
And it's cheap compared to all these new gadgets (there was another that costs several 100s...)
Is a nice controller. I think I would get annoyed with lack of buttons idk. Was using Razer Tartarus v2 for PC was quite nice with only downside for me was that it did not have on board memory and required software. So when I got iPad Pro it didn't work, but got a Koolertron 23 Keypad and have been using it with iPad Pro cause I can't escape keyboard modifiers in clip studio pro! D: Easily programmed it on a Windows PC via the software. Has on board memory so can plug into any device with same function effect. You can program it to switch to different layers. Was even able to have a layer for media controls that works on cellphone, pc, tablet. Does not have scroll wheel, but could always consider holding a key to modify and drag of the stylus to create effect you want, like increase brush size or zoom in. With iPad is not a problem as am usually using touch to navigate. Keycaps suck though, the texture wears off after few months and gets slippery and oily quickly, so might have to get a doubleshot pbt keycap set if you plan on using it. Can also consider a Planck EZ keyboard which is small form factor, but if you take time can make it full keyboard as well as marco keyboard for whatever you can think of with it being fully programmable and has so many layers. Is just tough moving on from one device to another when you get used to it. I often go back to my Koolertron Keypad, but still wish for functionality of the scroll wheel and thumb button stick of the Razer Tartarus v2. Anyways point is everyone has a different ultimate xD
I think it can be a lot more ergonomic and simple. my brain is already coming up with many different ideas that would expand its user-base and even make it cheaper to manufacture.
Lol I am still playing around with a lenovo flex I bought last year. I can spin the canvas around with one hand and draw with the pen in the other. Since I am refreshing and learning new ways to draw/paint digitally, I'll stick with the simple bare bones things. I hate multi tasking.
I got it over a drawing tablet simply because I like drawing. I enjoy doing it. I also like learning how to make software. So this was the best of 2 worlds lol.
You should look at the "macro king" video from linus tech tips, for me having a corsair keyboard as a secondary with fully customized key is a good equivalent too
I got myself a Koolertron key pad with 42 keys. It was really helpful! The only problem was that the software was not super convenient to edit.
Seen this thing before over at Adam from Lucidpixels too! This looks like an awesome device and i think i will get one in a while. I will still wait a bit though to see if support is doing some more extensions and especially if they keep it functional long term. I'm really burned by companys that throw great ideas onto the market and then abandon their product leaving you with a bad piece of hardware a year later. But in generel this is one of the best input devices i have seen since the graphic drawing tablet lol
I've already been using it for over 2 years, the community is great and the app only keeps getting better. They've just released a Bluetooth version. I don't think the company is going anywhere anytime soon.
im using a gamer one hand keyboard, those are available 15 bucks upwards. Razer has cool high end stuff with macros and joystick, but quite expensive
I'm using an XP-Pen AC19 pad which is similar but much cheaper,. It works pretty well and I'm using it on a Huion Graphic Display and Clip Studio etc with no problems!
In my opinion hot keys are terrible for art as you have to memorize a lot more individual buttons to do very specific tasks rather than developing muscle memory to make a few buttons do a wide variety of tasks. The hands down best tool is a left side keyboard which is just a keyboard cut in half. The left side has just about everything, CTRL, ALT, Z, X, C, Z, Tab, Shift, Space, T, all of these things do everything you need it to do. I never touched those awful hot key rows with the little bumps on them so you know which one your hand is on or these macro boards with the dial.
Lefty here, I use a streamdeck - works great! I do wish it had dials though.
I use a orbweaver personally, good for gaming and art.
Just get a PS Navigation controller and reWASD software. Totally customisable, single-handed design and cheap too.
I have a Deiyra mini mechanical keyboard, Razer Chroma green switch keypad and a clip studio tabmate for keys to use in art, as well as the included express key remote for the cintiq 24 pro.
I would need like 10 more buttons for this price, its super high, and i need my buttons!
Nice! I'm pretty sure you can buy some cheap midi controllers with knobs and map it to some shortcuts!
...is there a "LeftHanded" version??
I'd love some freeform lucidpixul-like content from you where you just paint whatever comes to mind and talk about irrelevant or partially relevant bullcrap
dont get me wrong I love the tech reviews and setup optimizations but I miss seeing you paint
I tend to use GamePads for PC like the Razer Orbweaver, super customizable, they got rid of the scroll wheel for some reason but other gamepads can come with scroll wheels
Would be great if all input devices and apps agreed on one generic input standard like the joystick HID stuff or OSC...
I use Razer Tartarus V2, also lots of customizable keys and with scroll wheel for brush size
i have a surfacebook and a wacom cintiq 27... i think easiest is the keaboard LOL
the wacom express remote is good but idk im not used to holding anything beside a keybaord in my hand... i also tried "radial menu" to get touch buttons on scree.. .its pretty good i almost like it better.... thought about getting a surface dial or a one hand gaming keyboard.. but idk i think i will just keep my keebaord on top with a keyboard holder.. i also have to say im only using the pen function to draw figures faces etc... for most illustration work like for example fonts or logos i mostly prefere the normal mouse and keybaord...
I completely complete with you about Corel Painter.
Please, for the love of god, better implemention in the Tourbox!
(I'm not even using Painter yet, but I'm tin e Corel family, since PhotoShop, which I use a bit for drawing so far)
Thanks in advance!
Great video, but I want to ask how could you display thumbnails for your PSD files
I use a razer nostromo. I know it's not the cheapest option but it does everything I need it to.
I actually tried to set up my xbox one s pad to control things in PS, as i thought i saw you were using one a few videos ago, but not get it to work :) . Have to look into this one.
What about for left handed people as myself??
my dudes. Just get a Vr controller, you can use it with one hand and grab it ergonomically
This look cool
If the PS4 dualshock somewhat works, I wonder if a Nintendo Switch controller would work too? 🤔
I read that any controller should work, the switch was actually mentioned as one of the examples.
Cool review, thank you! Have you tried it in CSP at all?
Always wanted to try a Wii remote since they're meant for one handed use
21:00 I think that can easily be solved with just choosing CTRL+ALT+Z instead of CTRL+Z.
the razer tartarous is the way to go.
im surprised on the amount of short cuts i didnt know PS still had...then again i dont use PS that often but yeah i would soo get it if the price wasnt soo high D:
Boro what software do you use to visualize .psd thumbnails on Explorer?
there is a wacom pen with a scroll, think its called the wacom airbrush pen or something
what do you think about trackball mouse on left hand, i think you could do a work easyer
They dropped the ball on this not being wireless. Most of us don't work at a desk like this. We work in an odd comfy chair in some weird position with our laptop folded into drawing mode. We don't need a wire to bend or break another usb port in that situation.
i have a wheel on my tablet and its the best thing on it :D i rotate canvas with it and change brush size :3
$170 seems like a lot for what is essentially a keyboard with very few buttons and a scroller. There are actual keyboards with scrollers on them out there for less.
Hey Boro! I know you're using the wacom now but maybe you could review Artstudio Pro 3? The new update is so gooood.
it'd be awesome if they could get tourbox to run with linux too
watching this while i hold my cintiq remote
I'm ambidextrous, so I can use a pen and mouse at the same time. It is quite handy not going to lie.
I use JoyToKey + a joy-con in my cintiq.
Artstudio pro 3.0 out they change the brush engine again..... andd im confused again ....my old saved brushes dont work as they used to
So, it seems to be designed for a right -handed artist. The device seem to be tailored for use with the left hand.
I'm early again 🤯
Honestly it looks like a fidget toy with all the sides on one side
Can you share your Blender settings for your Tour box?
I always was curious is it possible to use gamepad in any way in arts!
If you main CSP, get the Tabmate, comfy, super practical, intuitive, and cheap. Anything else, get Razer Nostromo/Tartarus/Orbweaver gamepads.
There needs to be made an Tabmate sort of thing that works with all programs, that thing has the form factor of that one side of controller with all the buttons you need and possibility for multi tools on each button, if need be.
If they do improve it I would be willing to get it in a heartbeat.
We left handed are left behind once again ._.
Will there be any followup Boro?
check out the azeron keyboard, they made a fucking crazy cool controller tool for gaming or even another editing apps
Ngl maybe in the future we'll get more stuff like this that's affordable but it'd rather try out 8bitdo then change it to settings I want.
I tired the controller thing. But couldn't get any of the buttons or macros I made to work with photoshop . Something simple like 3 for trigger and crt+alt+z for bumper didnt register as a press
Hmm maybe a joycon could work (I could use a driftcon and disable the directional inputs
which keyboard you are using in this video?
CLIP STUDIO TABMATE controller ftw but i think it only works in CSP