The Death of Interesting Cars: What Links The Renault Avantime and the Ford Capri?
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When your company is making engines with codes like ‘F4RT’
You know they just don’t care anymore
I thought that was the indicator stalk for a Tesla.
Toyota MRdeux anyone?
"Tut tut FDP
Toot toot Mofo"
Renault
@@john1703 pas mal celle-là
Lmao 🤣 but tbh that was in 2001 so they didn’t care then?
Renault debuted a static show prototype Avantime on their stand at the Goodwood FOS in '99 or 2000...It was a really striking design back then, which took the Espace concept to another level.
So at Goodwood, myself & my father were looking at the car together & both admiring & being complimentary of it, & a chap stood next to us who was looking & listening to us also, so being polite we said to him "& what do you think of it...?"
This quiet, unsuspecting man smiled & replied "I really do like it, but then I would say that because I designed it"...!!! It was none other than Patrick Le Quement himself...! 👌🙏🇫🇷👍
Toyota are getting it right. Selling numerous hybrids range which offsets the exciting stuff grs for example. Car manufacturers need to take note
Toyota will be one of the few car companies to survive.
Probably helps Toyota are the biggest selling car brand in the world selling nearly twice as many a year as VW who are second, so they can afford to take risks and do side projects
@@TimLemonnI don’t think that follows at all. Toyota also has truly enormous fixed costs and one could argue that, with low profit margins, if they got even one strategic thrust wrong, it could be very damaging for them.
I think VAG is engaged in deliberate corporate suicide, as are several other Western car brands.
Porsche will survive, as will all traditional luxury brands. They’re low volume, extraordinarily expensive cars and the kind of people who order these simply don’t do recessions.
Most of the high volume traditional brands are going to die or radically downsize, with state or EU assistance, over the next five years.
When you understand the destination, you can more readily see the journey.
The destination is The Great Reset. UN2030 SDGs. You weren’t aware of these? Really not? Or you were, but you somehow didn’t think they were serious about it?
We’ll see.
@@GT380man Looks like somebody has had their Weetabix! 😂
Not sure how you’ve turned my comment into an opportunity to talk about a conspiracy theory, I was merely saying it’s easy for a company making 10million cars a year to knock out a few GR variants which will be low margins but good for reputation and internal development.
Right, I’m off to get my Covid booster so I can be controlled to align with the world’s global plan…..
We love quirky cars! I drive a Peugeot 1007, my dad a Smart Roadster, my mum an S211 E-class 7-seater, my Auntie a MK3 MR2, and my sister a Combo Life XL. My weekend vehicle is a Mitsubishi Delica L300.
And the family psychiatrist drives …………
@@davidthomson692 Ford Focus
Incredible if true
Ah, send your dad kind regards, i drive a Roadster-Coupé myself. Nippy little car!
@@ianstoyan 😂😂😂😂😂
I'm the owner of a 1986 Capri 2.8 Special and I approve of this message :-)
Even the part where Jay says 'even if you actually do drive a Capri today they're not very good'?
@@jamiespinks3657 yes, by modern standards they arent.
But you'll look cool as hell cruising in one...
I own one too, exact same spec and year, in Crystal Blue Metallic with Dove grey half leather. Yes it doesn't drive as well as my more modern car, but I'll tell you what, I'll never forget last summer's drive down to Le Mans in the Capri. If you're the sort who needs to be coddled with technology, or are nervous about the lack of ABS, then something like a Capri isn't for you, but by golly it isn't half fun if you're of the sort who can handle doing without modern tech.
@@paul1978g mines Rosso Red with 15in 280 alloys. To be fair it drives pretty well considering its basic origins are from 1974.
Mazda is quite innovative in my opinion. They still are brave enough to do things differently. My Mazda 6 wagon is a big car, but weight less than 1300 kg. Lightness equals engaging drive and economy. You need proper engineering for that. Plus they still offer an mx5!
I really really wish mazda would offer more hybrids or EVs that aren't complete ass. Their ICE lineup is gorgeous, from the 3 to the SUVs even. Would be nice to have a mazda3 with the powertrain of a Prius or an MX30 that isn't a PHEV battery with abysmal charging charectheristics.
Spot on about the new ugly Capri, “the car you never wanted yourself “! 👍 anyone else agree 👍👍👍👍keep up the good work I enjoy your content 😊
For the record, Avantime Project was to give Matra something after the Espace IV was internally engineered and manufactured by Renault. That’s why the Avantime is based on the Espace III.
Instantly reminds me of that top gear episode. Underrated car
"Can I have some chips?"
@@AWMJoeyjoejoe camshafts. Cylinder heads. Old fashioned tuning.
@@HowToSpecplywood splitter and undertray?
Agree 100% James. No notes.
For me car design peaked somewhere around the late 00's to early 10's.
All manufacturers can do better these days is make things faster, and even then it's feels like a passionless marketing exercise.
I'd say early 00s. That's when we got cars like the Honda Accord Type S, Mondeo ST220, VX Monaro, and the E46 M3. Sporty cars that still look good today.
Golf R32 - who would ever put a 3.2 engine into a hatchback now.
I hate the fact nowadays manufacturers change some headlights, restyle the bumpers and tweak the infotainment then claim it’s a new version 😢
I’ve got an 08 Honda Civic I always loved the ‘spaceship’ design.
I have never wanted to buy a brand new car but I’ve been pondering recently… if new car buyers cast the vote for what we end up with, shouldn’t I try and cast my vote one day 🤔
It wouldn't make a difference, most car buyers have no imagination and would like a bland boring SUV because all their neighbours have one. You'd be outvoted by the beige brigrade.
@@nekite1it’s not that they have no imagination, it’s that they don’t give a shit. Keeping up with the jones has been dead for years. As long as it gets them to where it needs to go looks is the least important thing.
New cars are total crap buy 30 year old car❤❤❤ it will last forever
Every car enthusiast I know loves these. I have a friend with one who lives in fear of a stone chip in his windscreen.
One massive plus point of the new Capri, is that it will be cheaper to buy than a Fisker Ocean in a few years time.
With you in all you say. Owned an original Capri as a company car, only a 1.6 but every trip was special. Renault really did make some very interesting cars, the 16, Sport Spider etc etc. I used to be able to tell every car on the road, sometimes just from the tail lights, today, forget it they are all becoming the same blancmagne shape, yuk! Another great video James, thank you😊
Don't blame me, I bought an Alfa Romeo 156 and I'm hanging on to it. This, and similar, were the last generation of cars with attractive styling, not too big and heavy, and with only a whiff of technology. It's been downhill since then.
You are correct, everyone that bought the original Capri is appalled at the new excuse. They should be making a Capri shaped electric car
0:13 not quite true. BMW are keeping themselves distinct. Everything else is boring drab and BMWs are hideoue, unique 😂
Used to own one of these but in metallic red. I absolutely loved it. For exactly the reason you said. It was different and turned so many heads and people asking to sit in it. A lot and I mean a lot of happy memories in it. Great video 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Having been a devout petrolhead for many decades, I believe I've observed the rise of the greatest forces for blandness in cars across the years, and what are they? Accountants, and computers! Bean counters will always bleed the fun out of everything they touch, and computers make blandness a direct by-product of CAD and aerodynamics. When Sir William Lyons designed the stunning Jaguars of the 1950s by the light in his garden, art was paramount. I assert that blando-box cars are not our fault - we've been fed a diet of tasteless slop by mean-spirited dullards - please god, bring some daring visionaries back into car design!
Nobody's brave enough to try something different. It's same with the pop music industry. All the big players want a slice of whatever's trending for mass market appeal.
Please name the interesting car you bought from new to signal your interest to the manufacturer
@@billymonkey111 I bought the first gen Mercedes A-Class because of its engineering and packaging - under-floor engine and drivetrain, large internal space in a short, 5-door car, and it looked different from almost everything else. Sadly, the rear suspension was cynically cheap so the car couldn’t be hustled-along. Then what did Merc do? Went back to a completely conventional design for the A-Class - BORING!
Due to technical issues to built the car and delays, it was called by Renault employees the Aftertime
Insightful video, Jay. I loved the Hyundai vision N comparison. That is the only new car that got me talking about it to anyone who was willing to hear it, and that hasn't happened with any new car in over 10 years
I always liked the look of the Avantime and believe it only failed by having futuristic looks the market wasn’t ready for. The Vel Satis, its sister car was a pig.
Nailed it - the world of car misery is driven by the consumers..
I alway appiceate a well executed intelligent rant. Well done James!
I am with you on this one, it pains me how boring the car market is these days. However car manufacturers are there to sell a financial instrument to as many people as possible, the car itself is just a byproduct in all of that. Unpopular opinion, but we are too reliant on needing a car in this country, so the vast majority of customers simply just don’t care or act as sheep. If public transport were and cycling options were better, we would have more fun cars for us!
I dont know why but i still remember the Aventime on Top Gear...Jeremy REALLY loved it.
It was one of the few cars they all liked. And sub-zero on the cool wall!
@@AgtX999 I remember when they tried to make it beat a Lancer Evo X on the Test Track, i don't recall them succeeding but it was fun to watch a car like that be modified to achieve faster lap times
Having owned a 3ltr Avantime-and loved it- that was a very funny episode, but the Hippo on roller skates going round a track was a never ever get near an EVO time. "The Service" that James May gave the Avantime was nothing of the sort , it took weeks to do as the Top Gear team had comprehensively broken the Avantime and it needed a rebuild - look at the Exhaust - they even replaced that!
That Avantime is like a styling exercise that accidentally got the green light when it was actually supposed to be the blueprint for the next Megane .
It was depressing driving into the school car park where I worked. A sea of SUVs and crossovers, mainly Qashqais and other similar tat. My car at the time was an Alfa 159.
Mine is 22yrs old I’ve had it from News and it is still the most beautiful thing on the road. It might be getting difficult to get parts for it, but as long as I can, I will keep driving it because nothing in the current car market turns my head slightly.
People are won over by fads and by how they're told to think by advertising. Hence, the love of crossovers and SUVs.
Big, more expensive cars are more profitable for manufacturers. That's why they promote these so much.
And thus you see a company like Ford ceasing to make the very popular Fiesta.
@@julianevans9548 Yep, SUVs are simply the biggest scam going on right now. You pay more for a vehicle that's more expensive, cost more to maintain, consumes more fuel, less safe in a crash test, with the upside of a little bit head room and a little bit more trunk space than a regular hatchback.
@jkliao6486 high driving position is nicer for most.
@@jameshogg601 That's purely based on ego: it makes you feel more important.
@@jkliao6486 Exactly.
This is what happens when capitalism is allowed to do whatever it wants. It makes bad (but profitable) choices, and then propagandises people into buying these.
we had an avantime in ibiza. Best car ever for the island. All windows were down all the time. Way cooler and more of an eye catcher than any AMG merc or Porsche
someone a few houses from where i lived as a school child had an Avantime.
i tried to convince my mother to get one as well, sadly without success.
That N74 just needs gullwing doors (and a flux capacitor 😊) and I'd be right up there on my wish list.
Let’s not forget that even in the 30s and 40s mainstream cars were almost impossible to tell apart.
Let's not worry about what other people drive. VERY FEW people are car lovers, and most of them just love the mobility they provide. Most people don't buy new cars. Most people don't want a sporty or fun car. Bigger family cars, due to better braking, stability, tire, engine, transmission, and safety advances, can safely maneuver at all the speed most can safely drive. with plenty of hustle too. Let ALL those people drive whatever, and recognize that precious few of us really love to drive. We still have our niche cars
I agree with you in every single word! Preach! Thank you for speaking up!
It's not really just 'us' but the people who have the money to buy cars new and see it either has a grey box on wheels to go from A to B or an expensive investment so that leaves petrol heads like us as the second hand car buyers with a piss poor inventory to choose from.
Point taken! I thought that was a Polestar in the thumbnail.
Renault Avantime, Plymouth Prowler, 2002-05 Ford Thunderbird, Nissan Cube, Smart Roadster, Renault Wind, Honda S660, Daihatsu Copen and others: when the middle class car industrie still had some boldness and sense of humour.
Today everything is a grey bland, sad hybrid 2 ton SUV.
Skoda Roomster and Yeti too....
Chrysler PT cruiser lol
The one we bought is still here, mx5
@@JW1_1 You are not funny 😂
@@JW1_1 Fiat Multipla
I loved this and the Vel Satis when they came out. Proper left field stuff. We had an Espace at the time and it was a magnificent thing... Column shift auto, huge central glovebox, digital dash across the top, passengers had their own HVAC panels. It was just excellent.
Totally agree on the 2024 Capri. Even the nod to the original that is the profile of the rear window was obviously easy to miss. 😊
I have been fortunate to own a 3.0l Avantime and a 2.8i Capri, both totally different and both totally amazing cars. I can’t see me ever buying a Ford or a Renault again. But to be fair I don’t see me buying anything built after 2023.
I’m disappointed. You didn’t blame it on the boogie.
I'm disappointed in myself too
@@JayEmmOnCars to pick up on your point about EVs could make it easier for manufacturers to be adventurous with body styling it could also potentially lead to a resurgence of coach builders. Buy the skateboard then add your own body
Or the weather man...
If you like your car, keep it and be nice to it, because there will never be a new one ever again.
Good to have something more for ordinary ‘mortals’ being featured again, Jay! 👍🏽 All the unattainable super and hyper cars were making me feel like I have totally squandered my whole life. 😅
I like the Avantime in terms of styling. I haven't driven one, yet, but nearly brought one about Six months ago. But I want the V6 engine version. I think it is amazing looking car and one of few, I would buy. The other is the Citroen C6.
James, if you want quirky you must try the BMW i3. I know you’ve driven the i8, but the i3 is brilliant. We’ve had our S for over 3yrs and still love it. We’ve looked at other electric cars to replace it but nothing comes close. Yes the range isn’t stellar, but for pure driving fun it can’t be beat IMO.
"The legend is back" -- if you have to say it, it's not true. Excellent viewpoints in the video, I couldn't agree more because that's how it works and new cars rarely resonate with anything at all these days.
rebellious to the core! lol
but not in a good way, more like your teenage child selling the family heirloom to fund their crystal meth habit
That Renault is sick. I love my old Gen 1 Hyundai i10. I sold my modern car with it's bings, bongs, radar, safety systems etc. My i10 is back to basics motoring. I love every drive in it. It's an occasion.
Check out Harry Dwyer towing his boat around the country with his Avantime, he's actually driving the boat round the country but he's doing it in stages.
My first car was a 1971 SuperBeetle 1600cc. Perhaps my last vehicle will be my 2007 VW EOS 2.0Turbo? I know, the EOS didn't sell well but I love it, top down in the summer, full hard top for thje winter! The beetle wasn't good for our Northern Canadian wintersI have also owned 2 Chevrolet Turbo Sprints that were cheap as heck but much like my Superbeetle, except no smell of gas in the car? I still have the Beetle & I would buy another turbo Sprint in a heartbeat for my 18 year old son. Quirky cars keep motoring interesting! Keep Up The Great Content!!
As a petrolhead since I can remember I couldn't agree more.
In recent years I've had my dream cars Volvo 480s which are quirky and unfortunately problematic...as such I currently feel almost guilty for driving a Juke but I needed a car that just did a job.
I try to find something endearing or atleast understand every car I own and relate to it on a deeper level, maybe that's just me. Will I ever love it? Probably not but it works.
I wish we just had more petrol heads in important places, the last time I fully agreed with a car company ethos was Dacia and the no frills Sandero as it was what it said on the tin!
Don't forget the Vel Satis! With looks only a mother could love...
i loved the look of the VelSatis when it came out, still do
He literally mentions it in the video
I loved Renaults of this era. I got mocked for it, but I thought they looked so cool compared to other main stream brands. It's a shame thay we didn't embrace the weird and the cool. Not wanting to stick out.
Saw a purple one (imagine such a thing) driving around Jersey a couple of years ago. Great review James!
Purple? Heheh, subtle as all hell. Renault offered the Avantime in bright metallic green, much like Audi's Java Green Metallic.
Imagine rocking to Villa d'Este Concorso d'Eleganza in that. I would.
The last time I saw an Avatime is when I walked into the village yes someone where I live owns one of these, very odd looking things but certainly they do stand out.
Interesting, reflective episode, JM. We can't really drive fast on UK roads any more, well, much more than a minute or two before speed limits or cameras appear. So let's go for slow and quirky, boxy, weird and practical, the Japanese have nearly all the history on this, there must be some scope in our urban spaces for sensible but weird. Not all great cars are fast. The R4L was one of the great icons and I preferred scudding about in that to spending all my time in a Boxster S driving at 40mph behind traffic wishing I was somewhere else.
Great video as ever James, and I agree that we need the boring "shopping trolley" cars to provide every day reliable service. I would just like to caveat that up to around 15 years ago a large number of those "shopping trolley" cars like the afore mentioned Ford Focus were really good fun to drive, and also relatively comfortable, refined and inexpensive to repair and maintain.
But as the motor manufactures have mostly their identities (and spines), all they seem able to turn out is oversized, heavy, complicated and shapeless efforts of mediocrity that are all to often unreliable and costly to put right (particularly when they catch fire).
Then there's this arms race of power and grip and never ending electronic aids to help the keen but average driver behind the wheel stay on the straight and narrow, but the laws of physics are finite, and these cars are mostly devoid of any real sense of feel or theatre at sensible everyday speeds, so consequently they often are not driven at sensible everyday speeds.
I think that Jeremy Clarkson hit the nail on the head and said what a great many of us are thinking, that the e.v. is fundamentally a white good, they can never have the spirit, charm or longevity (in their current iteration) of an i.c.e. car (it saddens me to see classic's we know and love being "retrofitted"). I don't want to bash the e.v. to much, whilst they're not my speed they do have their upsides, it's just the upsides would be much more apparent if they were powered by hydrogen and not by heavy, expensive often explosive and difficult to recycle battery's that need replacing. Hydrogen could also be used in a type of e-fuel which all i.c.e. cars can run on.
To sum up, we need to go back to a time when each car maker had their own identity, we reembrace the estate and m.p.v. and not keep buying these inappropriate and/or unnecessary cars that promise a lot but all to often fail to deliver. And finally all those concerned (governments, car makers and legislators alike) figure out the way for e.v.'s and i.c.e. cars to coexist because like it or not we need both.
P.S.
It's can't all be our fault James - if they don't make it we can't buy it.
Keep up the great work!
I have liked this car since seeing it all those years ago on Top Gear. It is one of the coolest cars that has ever been produced. Yes it's crap, but it's cool crap.
But on an aside, listening to James speak during these videos is like a breath of fresh air. Why??? Because his language and speech aren't bogged down and completely saturated with the verbal crutches "literally" and "like" EVERY OTHER WORD. Cheers to you Jay and keep up the great content!
At the risk of being chased off this channel
I think an avantime would make a fantastic retro ev conversion.
@@brianiswrong I agree, we’re sort of stuck with EVs, may as well have an interesting quirky one, it would save a lot of cars long term as well! May get cheaper to convert as time goes on.
You are spot on, James! Interesting cars still exist in some places, like here in the Philippines. We are not talking about mainstream brands. There is a company called Porto Coeli (literally "Gate of Heaven" in Latin) that imports CKD Suzuki Kei cars, vans and pickups, assembles them locally, converts them to left hand drive, and customises the exterior and interior of the vehicles. You want a small front wheel drive hatchback that can fit up to eight or nine Filipinos at a pinch? It's called the Wago R. You want a 4x2 or 4x4 van or dual cab pickup? They are called Multicabs. A top trim level Multicab 4x4 van or dual cab pickup has touchscreen entertainment, custom seat upholstery, five speed automatic transmission, room for eight or nine Filipinos, folding rear seats in both the second row and troop carrier style in the rear luggage compartment, alloy wheels, off road tyres, a snorkel, side and rear steps, sliding rear doors on both sides, a roof rack, fog lights, and custom front grille design. All of these vehicles are different to the average. They are also made in single cab pickup and "Transformer" styles. The latter is a single cab pickup with a partial canopy over the tray and troop carrier style seating on either side of the tray. All of these vehicles come standard with Suzuki's venerable 660cc three cylinder engine found in their Japanese Kei cars. The 4x4 and 4x2 Multicabs have the turbocharged version of that engine. Yes, the same one that is found in the entry level Caterham 170. I know it costs around thirty thousand UK pounds. Here, we can have one of those 4x4 Multicabs for 399,000 Philippine Pesos. I'm not sure how much that is in UK pounds, however it's around $10,000 AUD. That obviously means less than ten thousand pounds. The idea is to provide something affordable, interesting, and fit for family or business or recreational use. Ticks all the boxes. When finances allow, my wife and I will buy one. I think we'll go for a 4x4 Multicab van. If you wanted to check them out, you can Google "Multicab CDO". We live in Cagayan de Oro City Mindanao.
Can't wait for the track version of this! IFYKYK! 😂🤣
F1 spoiler on theback
What seems to be "prophetic" was its name..."Avantime" ...as its name says it, unknowingly, it was a car well ahead of its time.... They took the idea of a standard hatchback , a type of car very common those days.... Mixed it with some Coupe vibes to make look more interesting, cool and modern... And made it more spacious inside than both of those to make it more practical than those... Brilliant... Sadly, it was so clever nobody understood it by those times....
I remember seeing its prototype at an international car show... everyone was stunned seeing it.....masses of people gathered around taking pictures next to it.... So Renault decided to produce it thinking they would buy it.... then, when available for sale, all people got back to their daily business and kept buying same old common cars
... This car was Like an Einstein that would preach his famous theories during medieval times... They would have gathered all around him amazed and stunned .... Then would have gotten back to their ox cart 😅
Sad...
When they tried to make good cars, nobody bought them... Now they ( as many other manufacturers) stuck to making mass produced cheaply made over expensive common cars, all jus full of shiny bits to catch the eye and nothing more
Now we complain why there are so many unreliable cars and why so expensive... Let alone the carbon footprint laws that make cars even more overcomplicated and atrociousely unreliable
The biggest irony is, had this car been lounched today, when cars are commonly bigger and taller as it was too, and many weird designs just to catch the eye with shiny bits, are deja common on the streets, ... This car would have been well sold today... They just lounched it 20 years too early 😆
Well done Capri with your hidden compartment behind the touchscreen how innovative… By the way my Avantime has had one behind the satnav for 22 years now. If I had to replace mine now, chances are I would be after something like the new Renault five. Strange isn’t it?
French cars always make me smile and they are always comfortable and, all have their own little quirks.
As for Renault and interesting models, how about the Espace with the real F1 engine in it?
Had many Renault cars, a 14 TS with rear wheels further apart than the front and also at different lengths from the front. But that was in the days when they did sensible things like put the spare wheel over the engine and made parcel shelves fold into the rear seat back so it stowed itself. Renault 5’s were just good fun especially the first generation TS that lifted a rear wheel for fun. They created the first car with key operated central locking, the 14, the first remote locking with a key fob, the Fuego.
Now their cars never need you to touch the key card to unlock at all and they lock themselves when you walk away. So clever and, very useful.
Now my Austral is a mere 1.2 3 cylinder hybrid that never fails to amaze me with its over 60mpg every day without making and effort to go for economy, or the fact when I filled up today, first time this month, the range was then 760 miles! That’s greener than any electric car!
The pre 2010 era was the golden period for cars, simplicity, interesting and made to no budget.
Renault has always made cool looking cars in one way or another.
Another stella flow of observations... so welcome and true.
I've never wanted to buy a new car but that new Renault 5 has really got me thinking just looks so cool
I didn't even see the title. I just saw the van in the thumbnail and went, "What's this? I must know what it is and I want it"
Looking well Jay, keep up the good work with the weight loss 👍🏻
A rework on the original Espace could be very interesting indeed
First of all: I have driven an Avantime just like that and still consider it the coolest car I ever drove, despite the Porsches and Ferrari and such. Oh, how bad I want one! Secondly - I completely agree with you!
People don't care about enjoyable driving and cars with personality. They care about infotainment screens and range. Boring boring boring. Tragic
Not only are the cars boring, but also the colours.
Buyers are terrified of depreciation.😢
It was a great rant and you are absolutely Right!
Hi James. Hope your doing good.
I loved the video. My wife and I now call the Avantime the Bluey mobile. We just thunk it's so cool how it looks now.
As far the Ford Capri. It's absolutely horrifying and retched to look at. Even the rims on it looks hideous. I still have my 1979 Mercury Capri RS with a 171 V6 auto gear box. I'll keep that forever.
Stay safe and take care.
I’ve never been a Renault fan, but they undoubtedly came up with some very different cars. I loved the look of the Vel Satis and Avantime when they came out, exactly because they were edgy.
But you can't blame it on the Boogie
ah yes the Avantime, I always thought a bit of an odd but brilliant looking car ⭐⭐⭐⭐❤❤
Even the Chinese vaguely understand the value of nostalgia and heritage. The MG Cyberster, whilst being probably best described as somewhere between adequate and decent, seems to be appealing to those who know the brand for 2 seaters - I sadly can't call it cheap or dynamic, .but it's visually not a munter, and isn't a 2.5 ton monstrosity on stilts calling itself an MGB.
Ford, ya dun goofed.
Suzuki jimny jaguar xf xk owner here. Love all three cars. Sad thing is I look at new cars with all the gimmicks and say no thanks
Went to my local Honda/Mazda/Kia dealership today to collect a part I'd ordered. 80% of the cars on the forecourt looked identical. Mostly vile SUVs and bland EVs. Thank god for the Civic Type R and the MX5
The Avantime - a brilliant car! I had one as a family car for 11 years. When the boys were very young you could feed them directly into their seats just by opening the windows! We took it to France one year and bumped into a chap who was involved in the project - he said it was a shame they never go to do a facelift one. Mine was the 3l Auto Dynamique; amazing on the motorway, wafty! I do think an EV conversion could make good use of some of the wasted space in it. It's a shame that most of the interior surfaces (and very few switches) have now turning to goo..... Flawed, but brilliant car.
I don’t know if your writing an actual script, but if your are; well done.
Having ruined the Puma they decided to do it again! Oh and I wish I had the opportunity to own an Avantine, beautiful thing!
Vast majority of modern cars are slop. Especially relevant with EVs. Just sterile, homogenous sludge.
You're right though. Most people want that kind of stuff.
I remember seeing one of these as a kid and being enamoured by it! I begged my mum to get one because we had a Jaguar at the time and it was a little boring to 12 year old me, but instead we got a Ford Galaxy next, which was certainly not close enough.
I feel so sorry for car manufacturers right now. Why? They are being hounded by governments to do the 'electric' thing whilst they (ministers) still drive around in V8 Range Rovers!!!! There is nothing wrong with ICE vehicles, they do not damage the environment. For instance, the modern cars driven in Los Angeles actually make air purification better!!!!!!! This 'EV' malarky is the biggest con in history!!! PS. Good to see you driving 'dadcars' Renault! Did he get all the glitches fixed before he loaned you it bud??? LOL! Keep up the good work! Love your production.
I dread to think what my next car will be when I have to eventually replace the one I have now .
I hate the look and "styling" of anything
currently on offer .
Remember the famous review of the Vectra by J.C. ??
great message in this video, thank you ...
Boring cars and colors are better for off-lease sales because they appeal to a wider audience. So manufacturers are making decisions that are best for their dealers. Vehicles that are too individualized have narrower appeal. Simple as that. However, the consumer push-back on EVs has been brutal. Demand is nil and resale is peanuts. Unless there are big breakthroughs in battery technology the future of EVs is bleak.
In the US the Capri was sold as The Sexy European.
Another rare Renault fell into shot with mad blue wheels, the Laugna Coupe, another cool Renault.
The problem with quirky cars is that they simply don't sell. We admire others who buy them ( the few who do ) but never do ourselves. They do not build "brand values" anymore - if no one buys them, they just lose the companies a lot of money. The bean counters are, in this instance, correct.
Young people care about being quirky, but they don’t have the money to actually buy them. Most older people which are the average car buyers only care about getting from a to b.
The Avantime is glorious.
the way you feel about the new capri is exactly the same why i feel about the mitusbishi eclipse cross.
waiting for the renault vel santis review
Funny i past one most mornings in Richmond London .the thinking behind the Avantime was to follow on from the success of the Espace and Scenic with a car for owners of the Espace who no longer have kids...
Very good point Jay, thank you.