Sorry, but it can't just be one sited! It is also the average CoD player are very gullible. And keeps buying the next CoD game no matter what they release!
@@chrisbenn Good thing warzone is free! I purchased the full game when it was on sale the other day (+-10 months after release) just to play the single player, I think I'll do the same with this one
@@Gombi787 Same, i might pick it up if it's on sale. I get that OG cod fans will like it but i think that the newly found player base (like me) in MW will look elsewhere. BO feels last gen to me.
I mean, I don't want to defend them or something, but while they get lots of cash from their games, their games are also played by millions daily, I would assume keeping up servers for such a massive playerbase isn't cheapest, even for a giant like activision
@@VValkyr in battlefield you have the double amount of servers with the double amount of players, and if you count that you also have RSP servers (you can pay and rent your own servers) it's a lot of money in the table. Also they have half the player base that warzone has, even 1/4 of skins to buy, or barely no skins
I gave up on COD few years back after watching one of your videos where you said the person closest to the server will always have advantage and you showed some examples would explain me being dead before I see the person...in Norway there are no dedicated servers so there is no point me playing the game.
Same as in New Zealand i get 42ms an Closes dedicated server is Australia an from watching MW2019 killcams the lowest ive seen is Australia players average 7ms to 22ms, Fuk thats godmode in this game
@@iLLicitNz78 Its mental that they cant put a dedicated server in every country to at least give you a chance,,,,, but they will still take your money for the game though.
Come on Chris you work in IT; you know why the Whireshark code is in the client. Manager: "That RUclips Schwarzenegger is analysing our games network and making us look bad." Developer: "Maybe we improve our net code?" Manager: "No! Just block him from doing the analysis." Developer: "But that makes no sense..." Manager: "Dew it!" Developer: *implements shitty Wireshark detection to satisfy management*
Hahah as I'm sure this is very true I'm glad he points out that they are doing this. Just further confirming that they know they are screwing their customers.
That was literally my ENTIRE beta experience. MW runs smooth as butter and it's the opposite for this game. I had to get off the CW beta several times and go back to MW because the connection issues were so bad and I just wasn't having fun. If the game runs for me at launch like it did during the beta then I'm not going to be playing it very much. It's a shame really, I was so excited to go back to a Treyarch CoD but the connection issues completely killed my vibe. I just hope they can iron enough things out in time for launch. I shouldn't be dying way faster and easier in CW than MW when MW has a faster TTK and I shouldn't be constantly taking damage around corners.
@@1Matik_ I'm someone who buys CoD every year regardless of how good or bad it is. I'll at least grind it a bit when it's new but beyond that point is up in the air, it just depends on how the connection is.
I already knew there were going to be high network delays from playing the beta for two days, but god damn I did not expect the numbers to be THAT bad lmao
Same here - for me it was bad enough that I immediately went and got a refund. At this point they might aswell add a dice roll button to see who kills who, its so random when someone can kill someone with 1-2 bullets from a mile away - when the other person uses the same gun at closer range it takes 10-20 hits, consistently being random. SBMM makes it one good game - one bad game on top of that. We need a new player on the market alongside BF and COD cause theyve both gone corporate, focuses ONLY on graphics and are not worth playing anymore.
@@Kenshin9977 Unpleasant? Ha. I just prefer when people do their own research instead of snarlingly accusing someone of making stuff up. Also you didn't even watch the video and complained that he didn't list something when he did. (Cons of listen servers)
This explains why enemies move around like a hockey puck, one-framing me on every corner while I move around like I've got a brick tied to my leg and shooting blank cartridges.
I have been struggling with the full game since launch and that's why I'm here. My experience so far: I see first, I shoot first, I die first. And the animation during a gunfight doesn't look like what I see in the killcam
The servers have been really poor since the last content update, yet devs have said nothing about it. They were also testing Amazon servers on the test server (Ubi didn't mention this, people noticed it in game), so this could be related to that maybe.
I got 1Gbps fiber connection here in India and I was playing COD BOCW beta for past 3 days. I was quite surprised to see those two usual icons all the damn time, high latency and packet burst. I don't have any problem with any other game be it COD MW or BFV but this game truly had me slapping my face so hard for a few days. Even after having a good internet connection and stable latency to Singapore and Dubai servers, the ping spikes were enormous so was the constant packet burst icon showing up. I thought it was my connection problem but turns out to be this. Thanks a lot for this video.
I'm hoping for an update on this topic since the game released couple weeks ago. I feel the game completely odd sometimes in the bullet registration. Hope Chris is working on something :)
Finally!!!!!! I was waiting for this video since Cold War was announced. BO4 was unplayable for me due to all the issues you mentioned. I guess nothing changed nd BO5 is worth skipping, for me at least. Thank you very much for the effort put in the video!!
Bc every corporate dogshit game believes that the players is so fucking blind that we won't figure out there is an issue if they just don't add in these features
i'm glad you started making shorter videos man keep it up i hope in final build we get 60-60 in all modes i know i stay away from bigger modes simply due to it being not 60-60
Is anyone really surprised? Every year we hope they will improve the servers, every year it's the same issues, and every year we (myself included) still give these horrible companies millions of dollars.
I played 3 matches of the Cold War Beta, i couldn't stomach the feel of anything in it, when I shot at someone they were able to be 4-5 player models away from where i was shooting them in what seemed like a frame of two, almost like they are able to move faster that the bullets being fired from my gun, honestly felt unplayable as in I cant see myself ever playing it again
Excelente as always Chris. This channel deserves and needs to be a lot bigger!! This COD was a step back in every single way. Old and worst engine, gunplay, and networking.
Thx my man 👍 I see the lack of dedicated servers as a budget/$$ decision - done by Activision, not by Treyarch. Somewhere at Activision there is a graph showing how shitty (ie cheap) a connection can be before you start to loose significant number of customers.
some suit at activision going “yea we just cant do high tickrates on the big game modes, that extra 5 grand wed spend over the next year is just too much”
I wonder what the actual number is, like how much money do they save by running 20hz servers. It's also a bit odd to me that the big modes are the one that get 20hz instead of the smaller ones, there's more stuff going on in the big modes so wouldn't they benefit more from higher tick rate than the small ones? I guess they think that the chaos of the big modes hide the bad moments whereas in the smaller ones it's much more obvious.
@@TheMrKlump Not to mention that its more expensive to run 60hz large scale modes, and you know that those 3-4 multi million companies all influencing cold war cant lose a few grand
@@TheMrKlump It's not about HOW much they save. It's just about that it saves any money. CoD makes bank every year, so they have no reason to spend any more than absolutely necessary. Suits at Activision don't even think, even for a split second, about what makes players happy. Again, they have no reason to because they make bank every single year on this franchise.
I'm surprised the publishers/devs havent bribed this guy to shut him up yet. Doing the lords work! In a world where all the "AAA" shooters are removing ping bars and sweeping latency under the rug, he shows us whats really going on
Still dont get how you are not past 1 Mill subscribers yet, this content shows reality of gaming industry and also the fact that a small game studio is always better than trusting the big publishers with your money!
The videos you make are exactly the kind I was looking for, how I found you I will never know but I subscribed and have watched every video since. I bought a GSync monitor and the firs thing I did was rewatching all the video's you did about GSync. Also watching your video in Tirolerisch was fun, made me feel like I was on vacation while learning something!
i did not have issues on the open pc beta, but i did not play long, up to lvl 17 (nat type open crossplay enabled) what i felt sometimes though is that long bar there showed in the video on "movement", explains certain situations with the slide lol
In the PC-Beta it felt like Enemies from Console saw you a whole second earlier. And as soon SBMM collected enough data, it got even worse with people rubberbanding.
How would it improve or detract from the gaming experience? Either the connection is made or it isn't. It's an on/off switch kinda thing, not a performance thing.
@@jasonh1498 since I started port forwarding some of the main games I play. I have seen my ping go from 64ms to 58ms. Its not alot but that improvements are always welcomed
It is terrible that they make an attempt to block the player from the knowlege of server quality and issue a bunch of confusing symbols to illustrate ping. I played a lot of 6v6 and the gun confrontations had frame loss and the hit detection was bad as well.
@@tomorpedreiro3032 Standard betas, usually have a lifespan far greater then call of duty 'betas' in a true sense. Call of duty betas are more of a demo then anything. However, if you refer to his black ops 4 server test, they also attempted to prevent the user from initiating server quality tests in that game as well. However, there was a work around and what was found, was the beta operated on 60hz servers, though the full release only had 20hz servers. However, if you were to play bo4 today, you should be able to tell, that the hit detection is still awful and a lot of gun fights still frame drops. The game had a lot of instances of dropped bullets, around the corner shots and super bullets. I hope the game is fixed upon the full release but i seriously doubt it will be fixed, based on their anti consumer practices, I'd predict, that they cut as many corners as possible and release a low quality unpolished game that contains a plethora of micro transactions.
Thank you for you hard work. COD doesn't care about netcode or game playability. It only cares about Micro Transaction, been that why for 2 cycles now.
Thank You Battle! Now I understand why I’ve had such a frustrating experience playing the Alpha and Beta of Black Ops in comparison to the overall better conexión and hit markers from Modern Warfare 2019
great vid on cod netcode. so what ur saying is, since the release of blackout and warzone they haven't upgraded their servers and in cold war we all still going to shot ppl around corners just like in the movie "wanted"
Is there an update to this coming anytime soon now that the full game has released? For me it plays absolutely terrible when I have both a decent PC and a better than decent network/ ISP setup.
Rofl the devs for the last game I played seriously before apex legends (warface) tried to convince there community that 160ms was normal, totally playable, what they were aiming for, and the industry standard (while also including symbology in their game that argued their own point). Just made me laugh thinking about that while I watch this. 🎩👌
Please do one on the latest Call of Duty Warzone 2. Would be interesting to see. Pretty sure there will be a lot of traction on this topic as it's highly controversial.
This is very valuable information people should know about this but I'm pretty sure not even 1/3 of the player base knows what a tick rate hz is, because they've never played battlefield then never investigated about hz
It took over 5 minutes on day 2 of the open beta to get a vip (competitive mode) match without crossplay. With crossplay my friend and i where the only PC players in about 30 lobbies in a row. I wonder if they will ever report on the sales per system again after the last 2 disasters. You could not even get a full Black Ops lobby 3 month before Modern Warfare. I would even bet 50 bucks on that they will force PC players to crossplay in the first month.
Thank you for these videos! Could you check out Halo 3 MCC on PC? There is something weird about the netcode/routing, I would love to hear what is going on behind the scenes
What really sucks about a game being on lots of platforms is it usually means no dedicated server but what's worse is if your game is on xbox then Microsoft offers free dedicated servers, as many as needed or as few as needed. It runs on azure so if a spike in players occurs than azure will automatically "boot up" more servers for players and azure is fast and has datacenters all over the USA and most of the world. So activision or any company could get free dedicated servers basically forever on xbl because it's the users monthly or yearly fee that pays for them.
I will do a test about 2 to 3 weeks after release as during that initial phase devs release patches very frequently so I will wait for things to calm down first. :)
@@Jason-ut3ou Yeah thats why im so interested, loads of streamers and people on reddit said it felt fine so would love to see the stats instead of anecdotes
Hi Chris, I'm from France playing on console and it's the worst gaming experience I've had due to network inconsistencies, yet I have fiber optic with a 3ms ping.
Played the beta and at first I was thinking "I have to be connected to NA (I'm OCE)" because it felt laggy, no packet loss, on ethernet, Shoot a guy then start reloading and got the kill, so I attributed it to being on a different server... Well I finally found the ping display option (as its moved to a different menu now) and I found that I was playing on OCE servers, 40ms... 40ms and it seriously felt like 120, in TDM, Thats just absurd, I'm absolutely floored that it's running on 60hz, if you said 20 yeah sure I could agree, but 60? Yeah I'll be avoiding CW for sure.
Modern warfare is always a laggy mess for me, my xbox can say low ping, zero packet loss and ill still be lagging. The worse is warzone I've noticed its the worse when its high count of players in the match.
I haven't played a new release cod before this one so this my question may seem off. I recall older cod's being reliant on FPS to determine what packets (updates containing p_move, vectors, viewpoints, aim positioning, firing/not firing) were sent to the server (had to be an equal divisor). A player could adjust that setting in them times. While I hear this game is not that same engine the foundation is there which begs to question how different the netcode may or may not be. Do you feel FPS changes any of these settings? High or Low? If playing with consoles in this cross platform play I suspect not because then PC would have the advantage of getting more FPS therefore more updated game environment. Which then says to me FPS over a certain value is disregarded if they are tied together. And why wouldn't they be? I just don't know how to test it.
They buffed Aim assist on the controller really good so its basically aimbot on steroids. The pc version suffers from hit reg unlike the console version.
Not surprised at all. Played every PC MW/BF ever released and it took 5 minutes of playing the beta to realise how bad gameplay felt, dying instantly because the game can't even register player shots until you're basically dead, people jittering running around super fast due to terrible interpolation etc
I think the 20Hz might have something to do with crossplay. BF doesn't have to work across consoles (and mobile for some games) and PC both. I wonder if disabling crossplay would change the test results?
2020 and fps games released by a multi billion publisher runs on 20hz servers. It's all about grabbing fast cash, horrendous.
I decided to stay in Modern Warfare and Battlefield V for the next year
Sorry, but it can't just be one sited!
It is also the average CoD player are very gullible. And keeps buying the next CoD game no matter what they release!
@@chrisbenn Good thing warzone is free! I purchased the full game when it was on sale the other day (+-10 months after release) just to play the single player, I think I'll do the same with this one
@@Gombi787 Same, i might pick it up if it's on sale. I get that OG cod fans will like it but i think that the newly found player base (like me) in MW will look elsewhere. BO feels last gen to me.
Wow a billion dollar business cutting costs as much as possible to maximize profits what a shocker!
It's a shame that Activision is such a small company and they can't afford servers with a higher tick rate.
Was about to do the same comment lol they're just starting it's obvious they don't have that much resources
I mean, I don't want to defend them or something, but while they get lots of cash from their games, their games are also played by millions daily, I would assume keeping up servers for such a massive playerbase isn't cheapest, even for a giant like activision
Suck too that such tiny company can't pay it's CEO.. he has done so much for it and they just can pay the poor guy
Yeah man, too bad it's just a small indie games studio
@@VValkyr in battlefield you have the double amount of servers with the double amount of players, and if you count that you also have RSP servers (you can pay and rent your own servers) it's a lot of money in the table. Also they have half the player base that warzone has, even 1/4 of skins to buy, or barely no skins
Your content is incredible, please know that we appreciate what you do.
Very true, I have been watching him since Battlefield 3 & 4
He deservers so much more for what he does. I really appreciate his work
I gave up on COD few years back after watching one of your videos where you said the person closest to the server will always have advantage and you showed some examples would explain me being dead before I see the person...in Norway there are no dedicated servers so there is no point me playing the game.
That goes for all games though
Same as in New Zealand i get 42ms an Closes dedicated server is Australia an from watching MW2019 killcams the lowest ive seen is Australia players average 7ms to 22ms, Fuk thats godmode in this game
@@daniel_960_ Not really, there are other games with dedicated servers in Norway but none for COD.
@@iLLicitNz78 Its mental that they cant put a dedicated server in every country to at least give you a chance,,,,, but they will still take your money for the game though.
Come on Chris you work in IT; you know why the Whireshark code is in the client.
Manager: "That RUclips Schwarzenegger is analysing our games network and making us look bad."
Developer: "Maybe we improve our net code?"
Manager: "No! Just block him from doing the analysis."
Developer: "But that makes no sense..."
Manager: "Dew it!"
Developer: *implements shitty Wireshark detection to satisfy management*
True
@@campersruincod6134 They do it because they are afraid. Or they just hate network engineers.
it could also be some sort of protection against packet-based radars
Hahah as I'm sure this is very true I'm glad he points out that they are doing this. Just further confirming that they know they are screwing their customers.
ToDo: Better Wireshark detection (Nice to have)
But to my knowledge he is an electrical engineer, not in IT.
I learned a ton from this, thanks man.
I can only imagine how bad weekend one of the beta must've been then. Connection was far better on weekend two while still being shit.
Commenting with the nice verified icon only to attract some viewers of this video to your channel, the classic move these days
this video explains all those hitmarkers i got and why i died around corners so many times and why i got killed with super bullets... nice
Exactly
same
That was literally my ENTIRE beta experience. MW runs smooth as butter and it's the opposite for this game. I had to get off the CW beta several times and go back to MW because the connection issues were so bad and I just wasn't having fun. If the game runs for me at launch like it did during the beta then I'm not going to be playing it very much. It's a shame really, I was so excited to go back to a Treyarch CoD but the connection issues completely killed my vibe. I just hope they can iron enough things out in time for launch. I shouldn't be dying way faster and easier in CW than MW when MW has a faster TTK and I shouldn't be constantly taking damage around corners.
@@zeldalevelmaker9912 why would you get it at launch knowing these issues ? Just wait.
@@1Matik_ I'm someone who buys CoD every year regardless of how good or bad it is. I'll at least grind it a bit when it's new but beyond that point is up in the air, it just depends on how the connection is.
Thanks for your continued testing. I understand conducting these tests is not always quick or easy. We salute you!
I already knew there were going to be high network delays from playing the beta for two days, but god damn I did not expect the numbers to be THAT bad lmao
Same here - for me it was bad enough that I immediately went and got a refund. At this point they might aswell add a dice roll button to see who kills who, its so random when someone can kill someone with 1-2 bullets from a mile away - when the other person uses the same gun at closer range it takes 10-20 hits, consistently being random. SBMM makes it one good game - one bad game on top of that. We need a new player on the market alongside BF and COD cause theyve both gone corporate, focuses ONLY on graphics and are not worth playing anymore.
If u got alder skin codes plz give me for my codm account
Oh I did. This beta had the most bipolar connection
@@NutZdk titanfall 2 is a option.
@@regriefing1807 so is Tetris, what is your point?
MW2019 lets you host custom matches on dedicated servers now
You tested that yourself or you've seen that somewhere ? I'm interested in getting the source to share the info :D
@@Kenshin9977 It's an option in custom matches, you can start match or start match DS (where DS means dedicated server)
@@Kenshin9977 theres literally a button you press. you really don't like doing any of your own research do you?
@@arandomrcreature I don't have the game. Next time please be even more unpleasant
@@Kenshin9977 Unpleasant? Ha. I just prefer when people do their own research instead of snarlingly accusing someone of making stuff up. Also you didn't even watch the video and complained that he didn't list something when he did. (Cons of listen servers)
This explains why enemies move around like a hockey puck, one-framing me on every corner while I move around like I've got a brick tied to my leg and shooting blank cartridges.
The man that every netcode developer with time constraints fears is coming :D
Awesome coverage!
thank you 🙏
You here man? Wow I see you everywhere you're a pretty informed guy
dude seriously were have you been i literally watch you for 3 years now with proof no fake shit please come back because i miss the vids
Ein Schweizer den man einfach morgen muss.
There’s a massive delay in the game that’s causing people to see you way before you see them. Peeker advantage is so bad.
Saw this on reddit and holy shit this is such a well put together, informative, interesting video. Well done dude.
I have been struggling with the full game since launch and that's why I'm here. My experience so far: I see first, I shoot first, I die first. And the animation during a gunfight doesn't look like what I see in the killcam
Call of duty is no longer competitive for me due to the net code. Whether you lose or win a gun battle depends on netcode as much or more than skill.
Exactly
Perfect! All the guns feel the same Or just don't matter what stats are on them. Everything feels random.
Would you do another rainbow 6 siege, its been 3 years ? Game changed a lot, even the game server host...
+1 it would be nice
The servers have been really poor since the last content update, yet devs have said nothing about it. They were also testing Amazon servers on the test server (Ubi didn't mention this, people noticed it in game), so this could be related to that maybe.
Once again, Chris is the hero that this industry needs.
The videos done by Chris are top of the top. Well scripted, well executed, technically correct.
I got 1Gbps fiber connection here in India and I was playing COD BOCW beta for past 3 days. I was quite surprised to see those two usual icons all the damn time, high latency and packet burst. I don't have any problem with any other game be it COD MW or BFV but this game truly had me slapping my face so hard for a few days. Even after having a good internet connection and stable latency to Singapore and Dubai servers, the ping spikes were enormous so was the constant packet burst icon showing up. I thought it was my connection problem but turns out to be this. Thanks a lot for this video.
I'm hoping for an update on this topic since the game released couple weeks ago. I feel the game completely odd sometimes in the bullet registration. Hope Chris is working on something :)
Thanks for doing an excellent analysis of the Cold War beta. It showed me exactly why I had the experience I did in the beta.
Best content creator on all of RUclips. I mean that. Great work as always.
Finally!!!!!! I was waiting for this video since Cold War was announced. BO4 was unplayable for me due to all the issues you mentioned. I guess nothing changed nd BO5 is worth skipping, for me at least. Thank you very much for the effort put in the video!!
I remember playing Quake 3 and keeping an eye on the lagometer to see what was going on. Why don't games nowadays include this?
Fortnite has one.
Overwatch has something similar but it fills the screen so it is good for testing, not so good for playing.
@GenoyTexy seems fine to me. You need stable ping for projetile to be consistent.
Bc every corporate dogshit game believes that the players is so fucking blind that we won't figure out there is an issue if they just don't add in these features
Here from Driftor and really glad I watched this! Really interesting stuff man
i'm glad you started making shorter videos man keep it up
i hope in final build we get 60-60 in all modes i know i stay away from bigger modes simply due to it being not 60-60
Is anyone really surprised? Every year we hope they will improve the servers, every year it's the same issues, and every year we (myself included) still give these horrible companies millions of dollars.
Facts TBH I've stopped buying COD games
I played 3 matches of the Cold War Beta, i couldn't stomach the feel of anything in it, when I shot at someone they were able to be 4-5 player models away from where i was shooting them in what seemed like a frame of two, almost like they are able to move faster that the bullets being fired from my gun, honestly felt unplayable as in I cant see myself ever playing it again
Excelente as always Chris. This channel deserves and needs to be a lot bigger!! This COD was a step back in every single way. Old and worst engine, gunplay, and networking.
Thx my man 👍 I see the lack of dedicated servers as a budget/$$ decision - done by Activision, not by Treyarch. Somewhere at Activision there is a graph showing how shitty (ie cheap) a connection can be before you start to loose significant number of customers.
some suit at activision going “yea we just cant do high tickrates on the big game modes, that extra 5 grand wed spend over the next year is just too much”
I wonder what the actual number is, like how much money do they save by running 20hz servers. It's also a bit odd to me that the big modes are the one that get 20hz instead of the smaller ones, there's more stuff going on in the big modes so wouldn't they benefit more from higher tick rate than the small ones? I guess they think that the chaos of the big modes hide the bad moments whereas in the smaller ones it's much more obvious.
@@TheMrKlump Not to mention that its more expensive to run 60hz large scale modes, and you know that those 3-4 multi million companies all influencing cold war cant lose a few grand
@@TheMrKlump It's not about HOW much they save. It's just about that it saves any money. CoD makes bank every year, so they have no reason to spend any more than absolutely necessary. Suits at Activision don't even think, even for a split second, about what makes players happy. Again, they have no reason to because they make bank every single year on this franchise.
Latest Tarkov netcode analysis PLEASE!!!
@Him indeed it is... lot of lags, desyncs. Would be interesting to see profesional analysis
I'm surprised the publishers/devs havent bribed this guy to shut him up yet. Doing the lords work!
In a world where all the "AAA" shooters are removing ping bars and sweeping latency under the rug, he shows us whats really going on
Still dont get how you are not past 1 Mill subscribers yet, this content shows reality of gaming industry and also the fact that a small game studio is always better than trusting the big publishers with your money!
Man have i've been waiting for this thank you.
You are a masterclass individual! Keep up the good work!
The videos you make are exactly the kind I was looking for, how I found you I will never know but I subscribed and have watched every video since. I bought a GSync monitor and the firs thing I did was rewatching all the video's you did about GSync. Also watching your video in Tirolerisch was fun, made me feel like I was on vacation while learning something!
Can you PLEASE make an updated video on Escape from Tarkov? 12.8 patch has been released few weeks ago
+1
You're invaluable as always - absolute legend
Great video as always, I also noticed you synced your tank shot to your outro music at the end. Very nice touch
I've only seen icon 4, a few times, on both PS4 and PC during the ALPHA and BETA.
i did not have issues on the open pc beta, but i did not play long, up to lvl 17
(nat type open crossplay enabled)
what i felt sometimes though is that long bar there showed in the video on "movement", explains certain situations with the slide lol
In the PC-Beta it felt like Enemies from Console saw you a whole second earlier. And as soon SBMM collected enough data, it got even worse with people rubberbanding.
Can you do a video on the importance of port forwarding , port triggering and how it can improve your overall gaming experience.
How would it improve or detract from the gaming experience? Either the connection is made or it isn't. It's an on/off switch kinda thing, not a performance thing.
@@jasonh1498 since I started port forwarding some of the main games I play. I have seen my ping go from 64ms to 58ms. Its not alot but that improvements are always welcomed
@@AbysmalEnd confirmation bias and coincidence
@@campersruincod6134 that is why I would like to see a detail video from him to see if it was just a coincidence
@@AbysmalEnd underpowered router? If you have a router with "SIP ALG" turned on, try turning that off.
It is terrible that they make an attempt to block the player from the knowlege of server quality and issue a bunch of confusing symbols to illustrate ping. I played a lot of 6v6 and the gun confrontations had frame loss and the hit detection was bad as well.
it was a beta. Modern warfare beta was a disaster too in terms of netcode, because it was a beta.
@@tomorpedreiro3032 Standard betas, usually have a lifespan far greater then call of duty 'betas' in a true sense. Call of duty betas are more of a demo then anything. However, if you refer to his black ops 4 server test, they also attempted to prevent the user from initiating server quality tests in that game as well. However, there was a work around and what was found, was the beta operated on 60hz servers, though the full release only had 20hz servers. However, if you were to play bo4 today, you should be able to tell, that the hit detection is still awful and a lot of gun fights still frame drops. The game had a lot of instances of dropped bullets, around the corner shots and super bullets. I hope the game is fixed upon the full release but i seriously doubt it will be fixed, based on their anti consumer practices, I'd predict, that they cut as many corners as possible and release a low quality unpolished game that contains a plethora of micro transactions.
Thank you for you hard work. COD doesn't care about netcode or game playability. It only cares about Micro Transaction, been that why for 2 cycles now.
Thank you for taking the time
i played the beta and got shot behind cover more than every other fps i ever played... i just waited for you video :)
I have a feeling that removing those icons was an active choice to help hide much of the problems their servers have
Excellent analysis, Love your videos 🤙
"The human eye can not see more than 20hz servers"
But my body can feel it around corners.
The Intel 620 UHD (UHD means designed for 4K gaming) Intergrated graphics is the best gaming GPU because it reduces latency by being close to the CPU.
😂
@@krash4291 oh lord bless your heart
@@WARxxECONOMY :D
Thank You Battle! Now I understand why I’ve had such a frustrating experience playing the Alpha and Beta of Black Ops in comparison to the overall better conexión and hit markers from Modern Warfare 2019
Thank you for your continued diligent work! 💛
I love your netcode analyses. Would you ever do one for Hunt: Showdown???
That game has horrible netcode from personal experience alone lol.
great vid on cod netcode.
so what ur saying is, since the release of blackout and warzone they haven't upgraded their servers and in cold war we all still going to shot ppl around corners just like in the movie "wanted"
Full game is just like alot of the previous cods. Shoot first die first
Thanks Chris, good information as usual! Keep it up
Is there an update to this coming anytime soon now that the full game has released?
For me it plays absolutely terrible when I have both a decent PC and a better than decent network/ ISP setup.
I got the 'Disconnected' icon once but it was not a little yellow icon it was a big icon in the middle of the screen and it looked animated.
Rofl the devs for the last game I played seriously before apex legends (warface) tried to convince there community that 160ms was normal, totally playable, what they were aiming for, and the industry standard (while also including symbology in their game that argued their own point). Just made me laugh thinking about that while I watch this.
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Was this before the 60hz servers or after by chance?
160ms normal ? 🤣🤣 Who they think they're talking too ?
Please do one on the latest Call of Duty Warzone 2. Would be interesting to see. Pretty sure there will be a lot of traction on this topic as it's highly controversial.
Would love to see an analysis like this for FIFA which has probably the worst online experience of any Triple A title
COD devs: "Let's just shut down Wireshark." 😂
This is very valuable information people should know about this but I'm pretty sure not even 1/3 of the player base knows what a tick rate hz is, because they've never played battlefield then never investigated about hz
While playing the beta I saw the first 4 icons, although I regularly use mobile data to play.
Subbing to see videos on server performance once the game is released.
When do we get the retail release video?
even in 2005 some mp games used 66 ticks per second.
Thanks dude great video!
I have a hunch that 3arcs tweaks to Warzone will be interesting to analyze.
It took over 5 minutes on day 2 of the open beta to get a vip (competitive mode) match without crossplay. With crossplay my friend and i where the only PC players in about 30 lobbies in a row. I wonder if they will ever report on the sales per system again after the last 2 disasters. You could not even get a full Black Ops lobby 3 month before Modern Warfare. I would even bet 50 bucks on that they will force PC players to crossplay in the first month.
Thank you for these videos! Could you check out Halo 3 MCC on PC? There is something weird about the netcode/routing, I would love to hear what is going on behind the scenes
What really sucks about a game being on lots of platforms is it usually means no dedicated server but what's worse is if your game is on xbox then Microsoft offers free dedicated servers, as many as needed or as few as needed.
It runs on azure so if a spike in players occurs than azure will automatically "boot up" more servers for players and azure is fast and has datacenters all over the USA and most of the world.
So activision or any company could get free dedicated servers basically forever on xbl because it's the users monthly or yearly fee that pays for them.
Thank you for the hard work.
Revisit CoD for a "Warzone Netcode Analysis". Very interested!
Danke Chris!
thanks for your effort mate
The first icon I'm pretty sure indicates a server side issue.
MFW ground war servers ran more optimally than 6v6 cold war servers. lmao
Thank you, this video was great.
Fantastic video I would love one after the game is fully released so I know wheaver to bother with it or not
I will do a test about 2 to 3 weeks after release as during that initial phase devs release patches very frequently so I will wait for things to calm down first. :)
@@BattleNonSense that's Awesome! I can't wait for it :)
I’d be interested in seeing an input analysis as well, the mouse controls felt “off”
Mine felt fine, had no issues dropping 50+ kill games during the beta.
@@Jason-ut3ou Yeah thats why im so interested, loads of streamers and people on reddit said it felt fine so would love to see the stats instead of anecdotes
@@skoomatroll Tbh the game felt smoother to me then MW, after the beta ended I jumped right back in to MW and just felt sluggish and clunky.
@@Jason-ut3ou you’ll have to let me know what settings you use when the game comes out, the maps seemed good it was a shame I couldn’t enjoy it fully
I need Black Ops 6 review from you once it comes out.
Hi Chris, I'm from France playing on console and it's the worst gaming experience I've had due to network inconsistencies, yet I have fiber optic with a 3ms ping.
Played the beta and at first I was thinking "I have to be connected to NA (I'm OCE)" because it felt laggy, no packet loss, on ethernet, Shoot a guy then start reloading and got the kill, so I attributed it to being on a different server...
Well I finally found the ping display option (as its moved to a different menu now) and I found that I was playing on OCE servers, 40ms...
40ms and it seriously felt like 120, in TDM, Thats just absurd, I'm absolutely floored that it's running on 60hz, if you said 20 yeah sure I could agree, but 60? Yeah I'll be avoiding CW for sure.
Modern warfare is always a laggy mess for me, my xbox can say low ping, zero packet loss and ill still be lagging. The worse is warzone I've noticed its the worse when its high count of players in the match.
Brilliant video, could you do the end to end lag between 2 players on Modern Warfare Warzone and what tick rate does it use?
I had tons of "packet spike" notifications appear on my screen. Assuming it was due to having 2 PS4s accessing the beta at once.
Can someone explain why I frequently get packet burst while playing warzone on a PS4 pro with 300 down 10 up internet?
I get it as well on xbox my console will show perfect connection in the system settings its gotten alot worse during this Halloween event.
Maybe because of CPU bottleneck.
Sadly - that can't be fixed because you just can't change a CPU of your console.
Love your content you teach me a lot battle! Thank you so much!
I haven't played a new release cod before this one so this my question may seem off. I recall older cod's being reliant on FPS to determine what packets (updates containing p_move, vectors, viewpoints, aim positioning, firing/not firing) were sent to the server (had to be an equal divisor). A player could adjust that setting in them times. While I hear this game is not that same engine the foundation is there which begs to question how different the netcode may or may not be. Do you feel FPS changes any of these settings? High or Low? If playing with consoles in this cross platform play I suspect not because then PC would have the advantage of getting more FPS therefore more updated game environment. Which then says to me FPS over a certain value is disregarded if they are tied together. And why wouldn't they be? I just don't know how to test it.
They buffed Aim assist on the controller really good so its basically aimbot on steroids. The pc version suffers from hit reg unlike the console version.
Not surprised at all. Played every PC MW/BF ever released and it took 5 minutes of playing the beta to realise how bad gameplay felt, dying instantly because the game can't even register player shots until you're basically dead, people jittering running around super fast due to terrible interpolation etc
Gameplay-wise Cold War felt like a step back. Map-wise it was definitely an improvement.
This guy is Gold just Gold
I see it's been a while since you made some content. Hope all is well with ya. Would love to see some analysis of 2042, and why it sucks so bad. :)
I think the 20Hz might have something to do with crossplay. BF doesn't have to work across consoles (and mobile for some games) and PC both. I wonder if disabling crossplay would change the test results?
HZ is from the server tick rate. They're just providing poor / average servers unlike Battlefield or Rainbow Six that do very high tick rates.
They wont show a packet loss icon because it would be running overtime on CoDs rubbish servers.
Love your contact. Good job.