His 4th skill is a 10% smite damage and 10% normal damage. Smite damage affects only the smite damage factor. Normal damage affects smite damage factor and normal attacks. This means that the total skill increases the damage of smite damage factor by 20% and also adds a 10% boost to the normal attacks. So its sort of 20% and 10%, not just 10% and 10%.
because normal damage boost... also boosts the normal (attack) damage, the little white numbers along with smite damage. smite damage boosts the damage factor from his active but not normal attack. one is derivative while the other is not.
I already got scipio max, ofc and I’m low on GH, only 365 ish, so I might end up still running scipio/Liu for a while, but if testing proves that scipio/Liu is on par or slightly sub par for ball fights as Liu/WW then I’ll probably start on another march as I only have one atm
I do personally think there's going to be significant boost in trades once wallace releases to pair with liu considering the synergy, but scipio/liu will still be a very solid march, while if you wanted to, you could theoretically run 2 inf marches in lc/wallace, and have scipio available for your second march. Scipio pairs well with so many different commanders, probably the most versatile commander in the game. Good choice.
@@harisbesirovic2656 Because the rage reduction has no cooldown (hitting OR being hit) and mighty shield stacks with normal shields like alex. You can get splashed with 5 aoes and lose 225 rage instantly, can't do your Aoes if you can't even get your rage to cap. You can also lose the rage reduction by putting Lui primary, and then the 40% damage increase from WW will proc on lui ches AoE instead of WW single target which is huge, at least for small skirmishes or 5v5 / 7v7 duels.
If you are spender yes, If you are low spend and f2p go max comand cavs, you may just hit and run behind the spender march😅😊. You might be fun play cavs better Mobility and good left the open field when we lost murderball.
@dgips455 both get mighty shield, gorgo already sucks to swarm the extra 900 damage factor will make extra prickly will be tanky and prickly the health on Wallace is small but added in with gorgos ........this i think will be the way
@HaoLE-hu4wm I have ran 3 inf marches for a while now possibly 4 when it's time to swarm ( Tariq sargon for swarming) We need to see rally maybe it's skill and pairs w Scipio or just keep running guan Never been easier to run 3 infs
I am entering season 2 after migrating back. It has always been my objective to go cav in soc, but inf commander are currently so main stronger. I wish they released a strong cav to replace nevski.
Smite tree is dope, but would be better if it was aoe commander. With Wallace primary, you lose the 40% dmg increase to LC's active skill. The rage reduction isn't worth losing that much boost imo
Normal damage buffs smite and smite does but the smite buff wont buff normal so in theory wallace liu wint be doing the same normal damage levels as like atilla takeda and have skills for more which would be broken atleast thats my theory
@JeanBertinRomain infantry tree also has a slow, though it's nothing crazy. I only put 1 point into it on my lc though, his skill slow is super sweet enough, though you could argue ditching fight to the death and slap 3 more points into it, and drill marches with an extra 20% march speed reduction because of lc extra basic attacks. I think that would leave you an extra point that you could throw into elite soldiers.
Talent Tree. "To the bitter End". Its in the Attack Tree already and it call's "effortless". You can test it and you will find out that you loose it after a Fight. Effortless has higher stats and works on white dmg and affect with this smite and skill dmg. "to the bitter end" is a downgrade.
I think i agree with 68busdrivers video though... The 10 second cooldowns are pretty bad and the smite tree doesn't seem that great. Liu Che might need to be primary if paired with Wallace. But testing will decided all of that.
I just don’t see it. No AOE, no debuff, no stats (little bit of health/attack). I don’t see it performing that well in the field being single target honestly. Like Sargon, on paper or a duel he’s great but in the field it’ll have to be WAY better than Alex to justify most people investing
@@gainzgaming1 I was disappointed on belli prime so I put my frustration on huo and he is 5553 I'm close and they released this beast of a commander 😅😂😂 I also considered my inf combo is already great having guan/Scipio and Liu/alex
I dnt think william wallace&lui che is gonna be that much different than lui&alex. To invest william wallace will require 690 gold heads! The thing is how much lui&william wallece pair is better than free lui&alex pair? If it is only 10-11k better in a full march that is about %5 better so if that is the case I won't invest ww but will keep my gh's to invest another cava march but if we&lui is 20k or plus better than lui&alex than I would invest in ww.
i think the play is 5551 since 1 point in the 4th skill gives u 7 out of the 20 points and u save 310 heads. I still prefer Lui Che Alex so will pass on Wallace
LMAOOOOO, less than 3 seconds into vid starts sh*tting on Beli Prime users. LMAOOO hilarious intro not even 5 secs into video lolll Rip Cav tho... who knows maybe cavs may do a comeback.
@@gainzgaming1yea frrr, I barely know about commanders but Beli did give me second thoughts and just by that it’s all I needed to know if he was worthy of investing or not.
2. Skill is mehh... 4 Skill is meh.... Alex's Shield give a 30% damage increase on 3 Enemy Troops for 4 second's and this is a 100% chance. So the 40% with WW is nothing big.
4 skill is very weak and expertise is one of the worst in last couple years, 5551 is prob 90+% of his value. Still, scipio p is def better than this com.
meta inf will be 1 skill damage commander (guan/scipio) and 1 smite damage commander which is (wallace/liu). whoever splitting wallace and Liu tbh it just bad idea .. imagine using wedge on wallace 😂😂. So to be logic using 1 arch(wallace/liu) and 1 wedge (guan/scipio) armament is the way to go
I'm honestly super curious is maybe lc should be the primary 🤔 only because of the mechanics of his 3rd skill. There's a HUGE chance that lc active skill procs that 40% damage bonus, and being he's a 5 target aoe commander, I feel like that 40% across his active skill would be INSANE in the mb. I can't wait to test 😁😁😁
@@GrowmietheGreen yea.. i would like to try wallace as primary but putting Liu might be also good and already proven . Now atleast i can bench my alex after wallace release 😂
Walles will not be meta. No AOE, No Defence, no buff or debuff and nothing exciting in that tallent tree. If U Have money U can spend. Won't make much difference replacing Alex.
What do you think about William Wallace? 👀 will you max him?
only 5511, but i will wait to see testing results
sure I make him max
HEEEEEEEEEELL YEAH I WILL!!! IMMEDIATELY!!!😂😂😂
No, Alex remains in my setup. His expertise is still strong
@@genex1595 should 5151
His 4th skill is a 10% smite damage and 10% normal damage.
Smite damage affects only the smite damage factor.
Normal damage affects smite damage factor and normal attacks.
This means that the total skill increases the damage of smite damage factor by 20% and also adds a 10% boost to the normal attacks.
So its sort of 20% and 10%, not just 10% and 10%.
Dude Lilith somehow made another inf commander better than Scipio…
Ain't better than scipio. No AOE, no debuff
@@harisbesirovic2656he's probably not Better than Scipio, but with Liu Che he's most likely better
so guan/scipio and ww/liu is infantry meta
@@the_noob_driverarrowfrog3317with Liu, as a standalone he doesn't do well. He's like a pakal on steroids.
Hahaha
because normal damage boost... also boosts the normal (attack) damage, the little white numbers along with smite damage. smite damage boosts the damage factor from his active but not normal attack. one is derivative while the other is not.
100% insta maxing him.
YESSSSIR!! I'LL RACE YA!! 😂😂😂
Same
Rip Cav mains 😂😂😂😂😂
Hehehe😂
Poor Cav 😂
Cavs getting what they deserve since release 😂
Hahaha
I already got scipio max, ofc and I’m low on GH, only 365 ish, so I might end up still running scipio/Liu for a while, but if testing proves that scipio/Liu is on par or slightly sub par for ball fights as Liu/WW then I’ll probably start on another march as I only have one atm
I do personally think there's going to be significant boost in trades once wallace releases to pair with liu considering the synergy, but scipio/liu will still be a very solid march, while if you wanted to, you could theoretically run 2 inf marches in lc/wallace, and have scipio available for your second march. Scipio pairs well with so many different commanders, probably the most versatile commander in the game. Good choice.
@@GrowmietheGreenhow can you have better trades with one single vs 3 AOE skill dmg and 3 AOE 30% health debuff. Hype for this com is crazy
@@harisbesirovic2656 Because the rage reduction has no cooldown (hitting OR being hit) and mighty shield stacks with normal shields like alex. You can get splashed with 5 aoes and lose 225 rage instantly, can't do your Aoes if you can't even get your rage to cap. You can also lose the rage reduction by putting Lui primary, and then the 40% damage increase from WW will proc on lui ches AoE instead of WW single target which is huge, at least for small skirmishes or 5v5 / 7v7 duels.
That’s smart!
Yes I will I am inf main
If you are spender yes, If you are low spend and f2p go max comand cavs, you may just hit and run behind the spender march😅😊. You might be fun play cavs better Mobility and good left the open field when we lost murderball.
Scypio + Mehmed 5515(with museum buff) or with Alex with buff? Now im use Liu+Alex and Scypio + Mehmed ( Guan only 5125)
Liu Alex Scipio Mehmed for sure
@@gainzgaming1 then William + Liu and Scypio Alex yup? ;) And mehmed go on bench
@AdaS2k9 yes!
When is this commander will be released
Probably late July ish
The shield is definitely conditional with the dispel, if there's no dispel there's no shield.
They should definitely reword the skill then
I wonder if it will be max William First and work on LC second for us new soc players
LC is still top dog
Without seeing the rally commander i thinking wallace gorgo , liu alex
I also think Wallace will be meta in the garrison with gorgo for full inf
gorgo/wallace ?
How about scipio?
@dgips455 both get mighty shield, gorgo already sucks to swarm the extra 900 damage factor will make extra prickly will be tanky and prickly the health on Wallace is small but added in with gorgos ........this i think will be the way
@HaoLE-hu4wm I have ran 3 inf marches for a while now possibly 4 when it's time to swarm ( Tariq sargon for swarming)
We need to see rally maybe it's skill and pairs w Scipio or just keep running guan
Never been easier to run 3 infs
I am entering season 2 after migrating back. It has always been my objective to go cav in soc, but inf commander are currently so main stronger. I wish they released a strong cav to replace nevski.
I don’t think Nev will be replaced for a while
Nevski is still to tier! Why would you want to replace him
Smite tree is dope, but would be better if it was aoe commander. With Wallace primary, you lose the 40% dmg increase to LC's active skill. The rage reduction isn't worth losing that much boost imo
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@@a.kadirekinci5434the One on the 3rd skill
@@a.kadirekinci54343rd skill
I like getting a new tree. Adds more depth!
Was thinking William/gorgo and Liu/scipio
yeah or even other way around
I personally think William LC scipio Gorgo would be better
Normal damage buffs smite and smite does but the smite buff wont buff normal so in theory wallace liu wint be doing the same normal damage levels as like atilla takeda and have skills for more which would be broken atleast thats my theory
You Can be slow by enemy talent tree too
That's one of the beauties of wallace... he'll just shake it right off 😁😁😁
@@GrowmietheGreen support tree, Cav tree too i think
@JeanBertinRomain infantry tree also has a slow, though it's nothing crazy. I only put 1 point into it on my lc though, his skill slow is super sweet enough, though you could argue ditching fight to the death and slap 3 more points into it, and drill marches with an extra 20% march speed reduction because of lc extra basic attacks. I think that would leave you an extra point that you could throw into elite soldiers.
Talent Tree. "To the bitter End". Its in the Attack Tree already and it call's "effortless". You can test it and you will find out that you loose it after a Fight. Effortless has higher stats and works on white dmg and affect with this smite and skill dmg. "to the bitter end" is a downgrade.
Interesting!
I think i agree with 68busdrivers video though...
The 10 second cooldowns are pretty bad and the smite tree doesn't seem that great. Liu Che might need to be primary if paired with Wallace.
But testing will decided all of that.
If lc will still be primary. Then ill still go lc alex and maybe william gorgo.
Hope someone test him too with other commanders
10 second cooldown is pretty standard tbh tho
@@gainzgaming1 thats fair
The people are saying scipio alex better than guan scipio
Alex debuff is cracked yk but the 3 target aoe seems a bit better and this is before relic
I just don’t see it. No AOE, no debuff, no stats (little bit of health/attack). I don’t see it performing that well in the field being single target honestly. Like Sargon, on paper or a duel he’s great but in the field it’ll have to be WAY better than Alex to justify most people investing
I am very optimistic about him
@@gainzgaming1 And now?
I need last 80 gh for lc
Nice!
i will still use alexander the great. i'm too poor to invest on this commander haha. i'm currently working on huo
Not a bad plan!
@@gainzgaming1 I was disappointed on belli prime so I put my frustration on huo and he is 5553 I'm close and they released this beast of a commander 😅😂😂 I also considered my inf combo is already great having guan/Scipio and Liu/alex
I got meme for you in game (only Gainz) 😈😂
Each like = 1 push ups 😂
I dnt think william wallace&lui che is gonna be that much different than lui&alex. To invest william wallace will require 690 gold heads! The thing is how much lui&william wallece pair is better than free lui&alex pair? If it is only 10-11k better in a full march that is about %5 better so if that is the case I won't invest ww but will keep my gh's to invest another cava march but if we&lui is 20k or plus better than lui&alex than I would invest in ww.
I want to see 5v5 testing with William/Liu before investing tbh but I’ll probably max regardless
i think the play is 5551 since 1 point in the 4th skill gives u 7 out of the 20 points and u save 310 heads. I still prefer Lui Che Alex so will pass on Wallace
Scotland forverrr
Good thing I didn't work on Alex😅
LMAOOOOO, less than 3 seconds into vid starts sh*tting on Beli Prime users. LMAOOO hilarious intro not even 5 secs into video lolll
Rip Cav tho... who knows maybe cavs may do a comeback.
I was hoping people liked that 😂 to be fair I did warn against maxing beli for 95%+ players
@@gainzgaming1yea frrr, I barely know about commanders but Beli did give me second thoughts and just by that it’s all I needed to know if he was worthy of investing or not.
Man lose the guan. Scipio mehmed is straight up better.
2. Skill is mehh... 4 Skill is meh.... Alex's Shield give a 30% damage increase on 3 Enemy Troops for 4 second's and this is a 100% chance. So the 40% with WW is nothing big.
You're straight on crack if you think Alex is better than Wallace
If you aren’t using 3+ marches, William probably isn’t the best option imo.
4 skill is very weak and expertise is one of the worst in last couple years, 5551 is prob 90+% of his value. Still, scipio p is def better than this com.
Expertise def not weak - just made another video on this
meta inf will be 1 skill damage commander (guan/scipio) and 1 smite damage commander which is (wallace/liu).
whoever splitting wallace and Liu tbh it just bad idea .. imagine using wedge on wallace 😂😂. So to be logic using 1 arch(wallace/liu) and 1 wedge (guan/scipio) armament is the way to go
I'm honestly super curious is maybe lc should be the primary 🤔 only because of the mechanics of his 3rd skill. There's a HUGE chance that lc active skill procs that 40% damage bonus, and being he's a 5 target aoe commander, I feel like that 40% across his active skill would be INSANE in the mb. I can't wait to test 😁😁😁
@@GrowmietheGreen yea.. i would like to try wallace as primary but putting Liu might be also good and already proven . Now atleast i can bench my alex after wallace release 😂
I'm tired of every other month new commander drops
It’s hard to keep up tbh
Walles will not be meta. No AOE, No Defence, no buff or debuff and nothing exciting in that tallent tree.
If U Have money U can spend. Won't make much difference replacing Alex.
Nothing exciting about the smite tree? Bruhhhhh what? 😂
NOOOO DONT MAX HERMAN!!! 5551!!!