I think some of them, now that they're growing up and experiencing being parents now have a whole new perspective on how jimbob and Michelle parented them and handled situations.
Agreed! I think he’s not supporting Josh at all. I don’t think anything of the birthday wishes thing. I think IG is just for attention. A 3 year old don’t read them, we do. Lol. I figure his aunts and uncles called and wished him a HBD. That’s what we do if we don’t see the person on their bday.
@@Bre493 I agree with you they are growing as individuals and now that they are parents and they are not having as many children as their parents. I’ve noticed with the girls everything about them as changed they are dressing differently, wearing makeup, becoming more independent they seem a lot happier since being away from their parents. I think the boys as well as the girls are starting to realize they missed out on so much as children grow up and are going to raise their children differently. I’m also guessing they are fed up with Josh’s issues and are probably very embarrassed by it and don’t want their children exposed to it.
I feel like Joseph is just fed up with his parents especially since they are babying Josh. I always felt like Joseph would be one to drift far from his parents, AS HE SHOULD!
Just because their was some kind of argument between Jim Bob and Paul, Gerrett is still their grandson and the Duggars should make him feel loved on his birthday. He is just a little boy and can't help the rest of the family's drama.
He’s probably distancing himself from the family a bit. Which, I can’t blame him. Because, if you were a dad and your parents condoned the kind of behavior there parents did for Josh, they are probably now being more protective of there children and, frankly, I can’t say, I blame them. You have to do what’s best for yourself and your family.
But JB and Michelle take it out on their kids also!! That’s just how they operate!! It’s ALL or nothing!!! They apparently do not hold their grandkids in high regard!!!! I don’t think they give much attention, if any, to Jill’s kids either!!! GREAT GRANDPARENTS, HU??!!!!
People can be quick to punish grandparents by excluding them from their grandkids' life. My little brother got married in 2011. His wife was a snobby, selfish, disrespectful, whiny, gossiping b*tch from day 1. I wanted to confront her dozens of times but my brother asked me not to start anything because he had to live with her. It was really tough, but I bit my tongue. I always loved my brother more than I hated her. Well, my brother died suddenly in 2018. He was 34 and had 2 sons. Age 4 years and age 7 months. One day my sis in law left this horrible mean message on my Mom's Facebook. I had HAD. IT. I texted her and pointed out that she's been a fat b*itch for 10 years. So now, because I, her late husband's sister, called her on some things, she no longer lets me OR my parents see the kids. She blocked Facebook photo access to them, too. I kick myself for basically handing her a reason to lash out and block me. But to cut out my mom & dad? Because their 37 year old grown daughter wrote an accusing text? If someone wants to cut you out, they'll find a reason. I know I got off topic, sorry.
@@baddie1shoe I see where Meagan is coming from I’ve had 2 family members that are just like her sister in law you can only hold your tongue so many times around a person like that. The two family members were rude, narcissistic, after awhile people didn’t care if their spouses were around or not just because the spouses have to tie themselves up in knots trying to please the person they are married too doesn’t mean everyone else has to put up with their crap. With that being said I don’t blame the children from distancing themselves from the Duggar’s I’ve noticed since they have gotten married they are moving away and living their lives their way and away from their parents control and are probably fed up with Josh’s Issues and are embarrassed by it and don’t want their children around. I think Jim Bob is starting to realize the older his children get the less control he has over them.
These people really need to stop living on top of each other and start leading independent lives. So many grown adults living in each others' pockets all the time, no wonder there is in-fighting.
Unfortunately, the female Duggar children who aren’t married, have no life skills or education to make it in their own. They have been raised to totally depend on a man for their needs.
Farmers often have their kids all grow up and live very near them… it’s not unique to the Duggers… it can be very healthy and uplifting when done right
@@kellysmith8269 I mean, I guess they are children farmers. I don't see them farming food. They get too many food stamps from Arkansas govt. If they were SMART they would use those food stamps on seedling plants and make those tax dollars go farther. You can even buy fruit and nut trees with your food stamps.
I saw Jeremiah and Hannah out with the Duggar family at Neighbor’s Mill in Rogers, AR on Sunday. They were feeding each other their food at the table. Most of the older kids were not there. Anna and her kids were not there.
I'm wondering if the "blowup" has to do with Josh. Maybe the Caldwells want nothing to do with the Diggars and Joseph is siding with them. He could even have told his parents that he doesn't want to interact with them. Then, maybe JB told the other "children" to not speak with Joseph like he did with Jill. Just a possibility.
Yes!!! I think JB MUST have told the other siblings to shun Joseph!!! Can’t believe Joy is doing that also!!! ( JOY is a piece of work!!!). Used to really like her. Could care less about her now!!!!
I find it VERY reasonable that he'd choose to align himself with his in laws! Especially since his father in law is the Pastor of their church! If anyone thinks well they're Christians and they aren't supposed to judge....no, they aren't but God gave each of us a brain and we are to ask for the Lord to give us wisdom and discernment. Number one they must demonstrate discernment related to maintaining the safety of their children. Number two.....since Caldwell is the Pastor of the church, I would venture to guess that Joe and Kendra are in a unique role of representing the church even if it's in name only. I would see them maybe not "siding" with the Caldwell's but acknowledging that there is a problem and strict boundaries have been set as a family and church leaders.
I have to add though too....what's the point of wishing happy birthday to someone via a medium that he's too young to use? Just call him or tell him in person.
im honestly hoping all the kids have had their eyes opened with jim-bob and his desire for fame and fortune rather than the kids welfare. good for joseph for backing his wife and her family and even letting her family move into their new home!
Darlene Corcoran I’m noticing that myself as the children get older getting married and moving away , they are opening their eyes to their parents controlling and manipulative ways. I think that’s the problem Jim Bob is realizing his children are grown adults now and can think for themselves. They are not going to keep their mouths shut anymore and are very embarrassed by Josh’s issues it breaking up their family. Joseph will probably gives his children a better childhood then he had himself let his kids be kids and not little servants to each other.
Social media is not where everyone puts birthday wishes. I realize to us it looks like they are estranged but they might have just called or texted. 🤷🏻♀️
Exactly!!! I never wish my sibs, parents or my nieces & nephews a Happy Birthday on social media. I much prefer to see them in person and if I'm unable to do that then I'll always call.
Thank you, Katie, for covering the Duggar and Bates families. I really enjoy it. I used to read the Duggar and Bates blogs, but Ms. King never has the scoop like you do. You're the best.
Removing the photos of the newborn I believe is a privacy concern. Josh's arrest and the truths surrounding what he didI think has opened all their eyes to the true horrors that can come with posting photos of children online. I don't know Joesph would leave the cult given the Caldwells are part of it (?) but distance from the Duggars is understandable.
That wouldn’t make for interesting gossip, this one reads into every little thing. It’s ridiculous. She needs to spend that time with her son not reading into who likes comments and who commented on what, it’s so ridiculous.
@@southernbygrace3274 I honestly think they are so tired of the backlash they get on RUclips that they are mainly trying to steer clear of all social media. Every single thing they do is criticized no matter what they say. I really feel sorry for the girls. None of the kids ever asked for this and Josh only makes it all 100 times worse.
The Duggars have been in the public eye long enough to know that social media presence matters. Clearly, they like people talking and speculating. If they didn't, they would show a strong family brand and mention birthdays and anniversaries of all of their kids and grandkids. The Duggars know people are closely watching them right now with all the Josh business going on.
@@a2ndlife877 I agree! What if the Duggar’s called and wished the baby a Happy Birthday?! Just because it’s not on social media doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Katie is ridiculous. Showing footage of her “source” driving by one of their homes!!! I mean c’mon!!! And then to comment about the parked RV means someone could be living there! 😂 Who cares, it could belong to them for all we know!
I think it would be really hard to be man with the last name Duggar. I imagine most of the boys in this family are really conflicted on how to move forward. They are going to have to be guarded with how they put themselves out into the world. Even if one was a gifted mechanic, opening "Duggars Repair Shop" doesn't seem to be an option given how disgraced their name is - and not just by Josh's actions but by how the cards have tumbled. Their name is tainted - and I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't a lot of anger in these boys. There is always a lot of talk about how bad the Duggar girls have it but the boys haven't had an easy ride either.
This kind of makes me think that Joseph sided with the Caldwells over whatever the disagreement/fight that JB and Kendra's father had at the church that caused the split. I hope they are pulling away a bit and doing their own thing!
They might be pulling away from his family but they are so enmeshed with hers. They’re in all of the Caldwell family photos and the Caldwells are living in the house Joe and Kendra built for themselves. It seems so unhealthy to me.
The fact that Joseph & Kendra we’re living in a home on the Dugger property must make it really awkward, plus Joseph was working at a Duggar enterprise so how far can he afford to piss off his family.
I think a lot of the Duggar kids and their families are just simply tired of the spotlight, especially since Josh has caused it to be such a negative spotlight. This would explain why most of them do not want to be part of “Counting On” and are posting their own content on their RUclips channels. Especially with Jill’s example they are learning that there is a world and life outside of the model that their father has raised them in.
Hell, if it just benefits Jim Bob and Michelle which means it helps perverted Joshua...I don’t blame any of them for a single solitary second!!!!!!!!!!
I think joe is taking space away from the duggar fam. If you go back to counting ons first few episodes joe said something similar to john that they dont know who josh & have no looking up to him any longer & lost respect for him. So yeah in my opinion he is seperating cause his parents treat josh like the golden boy! Just cause hes the oldest they have other boys so i still do not get why they are fighting so hard to keep a nasty man from jail!? But yes i would say joe wants nothing to do with josh!
It would be nice if all the adult boys would get out from under Jim Bobs thumb he's a control freak and these young men need to act like men. Maybe that's what Joseph is doing
It seems Jim Bob picks and chooses which of his kids are worthy of his time and his support. Did he think all 19 of his kids were just going to bend to his will ? Follow him blindly , no questions asked? At some point they are going to make their own decisions. Life isn't going to be all rainbows, puppies and glitter.
BOLLOCKS1968 I agree with you I think Jim Bob is realizing his children are grown and going their separate ways and making their own decisions and not under his control anymore. I also think a lot of it has to do with Josh and his issues and don’t want anything to do with him anymore because they have children of their own and are worried about their safety.
Omg this just proves everyone has family problems and they're human. Had to edit because people honestly have no common sense. I'm saying that it just proves that every single person or family has any shorts of problems not just this. I honestly believe I'd known saying I did go through it daily from 8 years old and I'm more than a survivor, I'm strong standing and more. I'm not ashamed I was a child till I knew it was wrong and my bf was pre med I was in h.s he was gentlemen even as a teenager. He picked up the phone quietly and heard everything and walked to my room opened the door and said hang up, you're telling your dad or I am if you want the support he's not ever going to hurt anyone else again. I feel bad for all involved as well as the son because he's ill I'm not saying it's ok by any means but he needs help. Regardless of what faith if any color religion sexuality or money anyone is at the end and begins of a day we're all human beings we all have a story each different. All I'm saying is no one family is perfect by any means. @Zen
@@NormaJean951 you'd be surprised including in our industry before reality TV. It's sad but it's a pretty big problem just kept quiet from the public. Blessings
Maybe they wished him happy birthday PERSONALLY. Just because it's not on social media, that doesn't mean they didn't wish his a happy b-day....just a thought.
Maybe, just maybe, some of these people have stepped back and realized that vomiting your entire life on social media is toxic and invites toxic behavior from others.
I don’t know why families need leaders anyway. So weird. My parents are just parents they weren’t my leader. They didn’t make decisions for our entire family once we were all grown
If any of the Duggars have any common sense or intelligence, I would hope they are intelligent enough to open their eyes as to the real truth about their parents and the fact that they were indeed raised in a cult.
If I remember I thought you said a while back that the Duggars allegedly kicked the Caldwell's out of the rental causing them to move into Joe and Kendra's new house maybe there's issues from that??
I remember Joseph was really upset and disappointed in Josh after the first incident. I dont think he's gotten over it yet or ever will. He looked up to Josh.
I think that parents should be thankful that when their children become adults , they have enough intelligence to think for themselves and form their own opinions. And, the parents should respect that even if they don't agree with their adult children.
And you must have a Lotta time on your hands to be posting videos like this and you don’t even know the full situation of what is going on and I don’t know who your source is but a lot of times in the dog or family they will do two separate parties for the grandchildren so Kendra‘s family will do one for Garrett or whoever it may be and then the dog or family will do a separate party they’ve even shown that on the show several times you really need to get your facts straight before you start posting stuff not just assuming things that they all hate each other because of everything that’s going on with Josh right now
If you go against the family you're pushed out but if you break the law you're protected by the family The difference in family treatment between Josh and Jill is unbelievable Their logic makes no sense. Katie i will take a bunch of 2 to 5 yr olds anytime Age 13 they think they're all grown up and then at 17 they dont want to follow rules because they're almost an adult and they will remind you of that often lol Age 13 then again at 17 are by far the hardest yrs If only I could go back to the years of 3 small busy children hanging off my leg as I head out the door to work Those sure were the best days At least I knew where they were even if I didn't get a minites peace
I’ll bet it either had something to do with how Jim Bob keeps all of the royalties from the show, and doesn’t allow even his grown kids to manage their own finances, which is why Jill and Derrick left. And I think had something to do with Josiah and Lauren leaving the family unit, as well. Or it could also just be business as usual around the Duggar house, with absolutely no restrictions for Josh, like he’s supposed to have. I highly doubt that he’s staying away from anyone, because in their Religion, the wife is basically owned by her husband, and has to do whatever he says. Then if he isn’t available, she’s supposed to go to the husbands Father! So we know that Jim Bob doesn’t think Josh has a problem, and Josh’s whole family lives in a teeny trailer on the Dugger property. So why she’s still having kids with him, is beyond me! Especially when he can’t even afford a home! I’m thinking that Kendra’s dad had to say something about whatever the situation is. And it must be serious, because they’re very nice people that I do not think would make waves if they didn’t absolutely have to. The Duggar’s are quick to write each other off, if Jim Bob says so, because he has all their money! He’s their meal ticket. So they probably feel like they have no choice, but to stay in line. I say the problem is 100% created by Jim Bob.. I’d bet on it!!
I am assuming Anna and the kids are still at the warehouse but it is spacious and perfectly fine for their home. Josh is, of course, not there. As for continuing to have babies with Josh, this will be the last one. Absolute best case scenario for Josh will be 20 years in prison so baby #7 is, thankfully, Anna's last baby.
He can afford several homes, he’s shifted assets and put property and funds into Anna’s name in some shifty transactions. He’s by no means without funds but has taken it all out of his name in the two years he’s had since the raid
@@letitiakearney2423 Are you sure? Because I saw a pic of the trailer. Maybe they moved into the pole shed since then, idk, but regardless, he’s a loser..You’re right, more than deserved.
@@equality379 Well, if you have proof of this, then I’m sure the FBI does as well. Although, you don’t really make much to shift around on a car lot. So I think they’re broke.
I remember Joy talking about how close she was with Joseph and how much he had helped her. I expect that Joseph feels protective of her, and with this new mess coming out and how hard it is for Joy... The lies about the past (they never knew, above clothes, etc) which could POSSIBLY minimize what went on before, especially if it appeared to be resolved. Now this, it’s STILL going on even IF only virtually (we don’t know) showing true inclinations... And Joseph being a father now... I wonder if Pastor Caldwell refused some demand, refused to be coerced or go along in some way, and a threat was followed through with. JB does like power and control, having everyone beholden to him is one of his methods. I don’t take the lack of IG greetings as snubbing in every case, though it may well be with some. Joseph can see who liked his post. Joseph has always reminded me strongly of John David. Appearance, mannerisms, seems like character too. As much as Josh was presented as the perfect golden boy, I doubt any of the older kids were fooled. I always got a slimy skeevy vibe from him, and that’s the sculpted for TV version. I think JD was always the big brother, and Joseph his second. Very interesting observations, Katie Joy.
The fight at the church between Jim Bob and Mr. Caldwell was probably a power struggle with Jim Bob assuming he was in control and everything has to be HIS way!
And to me, affording means NOT excepting money from church, borrowing from loved ones, no gifts, etc. It means having a job to pay your own expenses for yourself and your family.
I think it's telling how you mentioned your subscriber who drives by one of the Duggars house. That's super invasive. Let's be clear, JOSH is the one with the problem. Why are you focusing on the siblings? I get that maybe this is your job, but that bit of info you shared, makes me kinda sick. Please don't encourage social media to go to their homes! Children don't deserve media frenzy. They also don't deserve to be subject to SA or people with historical support of SA. This includes Jim Bob and Michelle. I wouldn't let any child near that family cluster!
Me too! I don't watch the other shows that you do and only watch your Duggar videos. Sorry but I've tried watching your vids about the Bates and Sister Wives. I've never watched the Bates and can't keep up with who's who lol. I used to watch Sister Wives but only the first season and a few episodes in the second. Then, one episode here and there but I lost track of their drama. I've never watched Teen Mom. Just didn't like the concept. Maybe that has to do with the fact that my birth mother was 17, I was 18 when I had my first but I was married and we planned on having a baby right away. My daughter was 17 when she had her first. With this family cycle, I just couldn't watch the show lol. Good part -- my daughter's first baby is almost 19 and has no intention in having children until she's at least 30 and only if she's settled and can afford it. Sorry, I didn't mean to go on this long 🤭.
So because no one "LIKED" it there is a feud in the family????? Talk about reaching. There may well be hard feelings between Joe and his parents but to base your theory on IG likes is just stupid. Not everyone lives their lives on social media. Give me a break....
An aside, important reminder; keep your children safe! ..share your children's photo at a minimum, only share with close family members aunt, uncles cousins okay ..exclude acquaintances, friends made on Facebook etc ..as a conscientious grandmother, I don't re-share my beloved grandchildren's photo ..I do so, with great pride, as they graduate from university ..moi
Yes, they have no fear at that age. Jumping into & off of anything & everything. Both of my sons shins stayed bruised from the ages of 3-5 pretty much, along with scraped knees & elbows. They're in there 20s now, so we're long past that stage. 😂
My first 3 kids were fine. Sailed through the threenanger phase. Child #4 almost had me looking for boarding schools for toddlers. As far from Arkansas as possible. Child #5 is 2 and I can see her becoming a diva.
Ah yes, the ages 3 to 6. My girl was a climber. Not very good at it, but bless her heart, she'd try every chance she could. She'd bruise up her legs, and I stayed a wreck thinking people would assume bad things, but looking back now, it was first time mom guilt, and you can tell the difference between active kids and the marks of those very active kid years.
Its the fact that these particular fundies can't afford the kids they have let alone the ones they are still making. They r living in their daughters house and while I dont know this for fact..... are probably on some sort of assistance from the state. Which means all hard working people have to help support the decision to have tons of kids. Come on.
So you have to wish a kid happy birthday on Instagram for it to count now? The kid doesn’t have Instagram. Who’s to say they didn’t call or text? Does it have to be public for it to have happened?
It’s weird because the Duggars are normally all about wishing each other happy birthday/happy anniversary/happy etc. on social media. I’m not a big fan of Katie, but she has a point.
Y’all they have 19 kids and his father is a narcissist. The parents keep their kids at arms length emotionally. They aren’t the most loving to their sons. Do you truly believe that this won’t continue to happen? That these kids aren’t forging better relationships with loving in laws with less kids?
Jim bob ' problay dosent eat the same food hes expected his kids to consume all these years..like tater tot special or king ala king.! Also jim bob prided himself that his daughters shopped at the thrift store for clothers and his suits were desinger made..!!
Here it’s a huge deal apparently. I did not wish my oldest son a happy birthday because I was with him, and then I forgot. A lot of her stories are about shade and feuding but it turns out it is only because of social media messages and likes.
It really looks like that Joseph and Kendra are going to be the next ones to fly the coop away from Jim Bob & Michelle and they may even slow down on having any more kids as a result too. To not wish an innocent 3yr old a happy birthday on his birthday over a feud with the maternal grandparents of that granchild is horrible and disrespectful. And, in regards to that mysterious RV in front of Josiah and Lauren's home, I just hope that Josh himself is not hiding out there to be closer to his parents. For if Josh is hiding out in that RV, there will be a whole lot of trouble for all involved. However, I would not be suprised for there is nothing that Jim Bob will not do for Josh. Eventually, the world will know the reason for that mysterious RV.
I find it so bizarre in these families that the parents are having children at the same time as their older children are having kids. Nieces and nephews in many cases are older than their aunts and uncles. To me, this is just so messed up.
@@swebb1 yeah, because what adult child wants to be pregnant and having kids alongside their parents? If you don't think this is off, maybe YOU'VE got a problem. BTW, it's not 'cooky', it's kooky. If you're not sure of the word, don't use it, it makes you look like you have an IQ in the single digits, which judging by your comment could be the case.
Your forgetting their belief to even look at the evil is same as if you did thought in your mind..Joseph may have completely bucked the tide and wants his children seperate
I feel you are very stalkerish. You are also reaching. Just because it wasn't on instagram doesn't mean that they didn't wish him a happy birthday. Have you heard of texting or calling ya that's not public. Their family is going through a lot right now and maybe they just want to take a break from the scrutiny from the public.
He could just be disgusted with his parents for backing Joshua all of these years.
I’ve gotten the feeling joe and John David were both very aware of their brother’s shortcoming and filled in whatever holes they could
Kendra is such a happy person. She's like a breath of fresh air. I've never seen a person so consistently cheerful. Joe was lucky to find her.
So very naive. And now she’s going to have a sibling ((or siblings) younger than her own child.
It's creepy. Have you ever seen step Ford wives??
@@katerinahernandez4778 Yes!
@@r.c.miller6161 so? It happens. Kendra is very young to be having children herself.
@@r.c.miller6161 So???
Good for Joseph. Finally a man who stands with his wife and family.
Maybe Joseph is hurt that his parents side with Joshua, now he's got kids himself he's protective unlike his parents
Good theory
I think some of them, now that they're growing up and experiencing being parents now have a whole new perspective on how jimbob and Michelle parented them and handled situations.
Agreed! I think he’s not supporting Josh at all. I don’t think anything of the birthday wishes thing. I think IG is just for attention. A 3 year old don’t read them, we do. Lol. I figure his aunts and uncles called and wished him a HBD. That’s what we do if we don’t see the person on their bday.
@@Bre493 I agree with you they are growing as individuals and now that they are parents and they are not having as many children as their parents. I’ve noticed with the girls everything about them as changed they are dressing differently, wearing makeup, becoming more independent they seem a lot happier since being away from their parents. I think the boys as well as the girls are starting to realize they missed out on so much as children grow up and are going to raise their children differently. I’m also guessing they are fed up with Josh’s issues and are probably very embarrassed by it and don’t want their children exposed to it.
I don't think he doesn't want anything to with Josh
You mean Joseph thinks for himself. He SHOULD take his wife’s side. Even the Bible says that
YAAAAAAASSSSSS!!!!!
Yesss
I feel like Joseph is just fed up with his parents especially since they are babying Josh. I always felt like Joseph would be one to drift far from his parents, AS HE SHOULD!
If my inlaws did what Josh is accused of, I wouldn't be bringing my kids around them!
Amen
Right
Maybe Joseph realizes how screwed up his family is and is staying clear if that trainwreck.
One can only hope.
Just because their was some kind of argument between Jim Bob and Paul, Gerrett is still their grandson and the Duggars should make him feel loved on his birthday. He is just a little boy and can't help the rest of the family's drama.
He’s probably distancing himself from the family a bit. Which, I can’t blame him. Because, if you were a dad and your parents condoned the kind of behavior there parents did for Josh, they are probably now being more protective of there children and, frankly, I can’t say, I blame them. You have to do what’s best for yourself and your family.
But JB and Michelle take it out on their kids also!! That’s just how they operate!! It’s ALL or nothing!!! They apparently do not hold their grandkids in high regard!!!! I don’t think they give much attention, if any, to Jill’s kids either!!! GREAT GRANDPARENTS, HU??!!!!
People can be quick to punish grandparents by excluding them from their grandkids' life.
My little brother got married in 2011. His wife was a snobby, selfish, disrespectful, whiny, gossiping b*tch from day 1. I wanted to confront her dozens of times but my brother asked me not to start anything because he had to live with her. It was really tough, but I bit my tongue. I always loved my brother more than I hated her.
Well, my brother died suddenly in 2018. He was 34 and had 2 sons. Age 4 years and age 7 months. One day my sis in law left this horrible mean message on my Mom's Facebook. I had HAD. IT. I texted her and pointed out that she's been a fat b*itch for 10 years. So now, because I, her late husband's sister, called her on some things, she no longer lets me OR my parents see the kids. She blocked Facebook photo access to them, too.
I kick myself for basically handing her a reason to lash out and block me. But to cut out my mom & dad? Because their 37 year old grown daughter wrote an accusing text?
If someone wants to cut you out, they'll find a reason.
I know I got off topic, sorry.
@@MeganVictoriaKearns You sound like you have your own issues too.
@@baddie1shoe I see where Meagan is coming from I’ve had 2 family members that are just like her sister in law you can only hold your tongue so many times around a person like that. The two family members were rude, narcissistic, after awhile people didn’t care if their spouses were around or not just because the spouses have to tie themselves up in knots trying to please the person they are married too doesn’t mean everyone else has to put up with their crap. With that being said I don’t blame the children from distancing themselves from the Duggar’s I’ve noticed since they have gotten married they are moving away and living their lives their way and away from their parents control and are probably fed up with Josh’s Issues and are embarrassed by it and don’t want their children around. I think Jim Bob is starting to realize the older his children get the less control he has over them.
I've always got a good vibe from Joseph, like he is truly a good guy.
Same. And Kendra seems genuinely kind too.
Hes got that "aw shucks" face. Kendra is really just a breath of fresh air. She just radiates warmth and cheerfulness.
These people really need to stop living on top of each other and start leading independent lives. So many grown adults living in each others' pockets all the time, no wonder there is in-fighting.
Unfortunately, the female Duggar children who aren’t married, have no life skills or education to make it in their own. They have been raised to totally depend on a man for their needs.
Mission accomplished....?
Jim bob & Michelle so stingy not to let their daughters be educated!
Farmers often have their kids all grow up and live very near them… it’s not unique to the Duggers… it can be very healthy and uplifting when done right
@@kellysmith8269 I mean, I guess they are children farmers. I don't see them farming food. They get too many food stamps from Arkansas govt. If they were SMART they would use those food stamps on seedling plants and make those tax dollars go farther. You can even buy fruit and nut trees with your food stamps.
Joseph is probably just taking his wife’s side.
Definitely!!!!
Smart man
@@ErinLovegood73 lol he knows better than to make wifey mad. I’ve always been told “if mama ain’t happy, ain’t no one happy” lmao
@@michelle3445 My thought exactly.
As is only right.
I saw Jeremiah and Hannah out with the Duggar family at Neighbor’s Mill in Rogers, AR on Sunday. They were feeding each other their food at the table. Most of the older kids were not there. Anna and her kids were not there.
Interesting - can you dm me on Instagram?
I'm wondering if the "blowup" has to do with Josh. Maybe the Caldwells want nothing to do with the Diggars and Joseph is siding with them. He could even have told his parents that he doesn't want to interact with them. Then, maybe JB told the other "children" to not speak with Joseph like he did with Jill.
Just a possibility.
Yes!!! I think JB MUST have told the other siblings to shun Joseph!!! Can’t believe Joy is doing that also!!! ( JOY is a piece of work!!!). Used to really like her. Could care less about her now!!!!
But why did Jill not post a HB message then?
@@diyashikha93🤔 huh, I don't know; I didn't think about that. You make a great point. This may be bigger than the Josh thing
I find it VERY reasonable that he'd choose to align himself with his in laws! Especially since his father in law is the Pastor of their church! If anyone thinks well they're Christians and they aren't supposed to judge....no, they aren't but God gave each of us a brain and we are to ask for the Lord to give us wisdom and discernment. Number one they must demonstrate discernment related to maintaining the safety of their children. Number two.....since Caldwell is the Pastor of the church, I would venture to guess that Joe and Kendra are in a unique role of representing the church even if it's in name only. I would see them maybe not "siding" with the Caldwell's but acknowledging that there is a problem and strict boundaries have been set as a family and church leaders.
I have to add though too....what's the point of wishing happy birthday to someone via a medium that he's too young to use? Just call him or tell him in person.
I don’t often comment, but I couldn’t agree more!!!!
im honestly hoping all the kids have had their eyes opened with jim-bob and his desire for fame and fortune rather than the kids welfare. good for joseph for backing his wife and her family and even letting her family move into their new home!
Darlene Corcoran I’m noticing that myself as the children get older getting married and moving away , they are opening their eyes to their parents controlling and manipulative ways. I think that’s the problem Jim Bob is realizing his children are grown adults now and can think for themselves. They are not going to keep their mouths shut anymore and are very embarrassed by Josh’s issues it breaking up their family. Joseph will probably gives his children a better childhood then he had himself let his kids be kids and not little servants to each other.
This cult has never been about the welfare of children.
Social media is not where everyone puts birthday wishes. I realize to us it looks like they are estranged but they might have just called or texted. 🤷🏻♀️
Exactly!!! I never wish my sibs, parents or my nieces & nephews a Happy Birthday on social media. I much prefer to see them in person and if I'm unable to do that then I'll always call.
My thoughts exactly
Maybe Joe has told the family that Josh is guilty and should go to jail.
That’s where he belongs after what he has done!!!!!!!!
Thank you, Katie, for covering the Duggar and Bates families. I really enjoy it. I used to read the Duggar and Bates blogs, but Ms. King never has the scoop like you do. You're the best.
Removing the photos of the newborn I believe is a privacy concern. Josh's arrest and the truths surrounding what he didI think has opened all their eyes to the true horrors that can come with posting photos of children online.
I don't know Joesph would leave the cult given the Caldwells are part of it (?) but distance from the Duggars is understandable.
Maybe they wished him Happy Birthday like most people via a phone call or video chat.
That wouldn’t make for interesting gossip, this one reads into every little thing. It’s ridiculous. She needs to spend that time with her son not reading into who likes comments and who commented on what, it’s so ridiculous.
Which is fine if they didn't post for other grandkids.
@@southernbygrace3274 I honestly think they are so tired of the backlash they get on RUclips that they are mainly trying to steer clear of all social media. Every single thing they do is criticized no matter what they say. I really feel sorry for the girls. None of the kids ever asked for this and Josh only makes it all 100 times worse.
The Duggars have been in the public eye long enough to know that social media presence matters. Clearly, they like people talking and speculating. If they didn't, they would show a strong family brand and mention birthdays and anniversaries of all of their kids and grandkids. The Duggars know people are closely watching them right now with all the Josh business going on.
@@a2ndlife877 I agree! What if the Duggar’s called and wished the baby a Happy Birthday?! Just because it’s not on social media doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Katie is ridiculous. Showing footage of her “source” driving by one of their homes!!! I mean c’mon!!! And then to comment about the parked RV means someone could be living there! 😂 Who cares, it could belong to them for all we know!
I think it would be really hard to be man with the last name Duggar. I imagine most of the boys in this family are really conflicted on how to move forward. They are going to have to be guarded with how they put themselves out into the world. Even if one was a gifted mechanic, opening "Duggars Repair Shop" doesn't seem to be an option given how disgraced their name is - and not just by Josh's actions but by how the cards have tumbled. Their name is tainted - and I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't a lot of anger in these boys. There is always a lot of talk about how bad the Duggar girls have it but the boys haven't had an easy ride either.
This kind of makes me think that Joseph sided with the Caldwells over whatever the disagreement/fight that JB and Kendra's father had at the church that caused the split.
I hope they are pulling away a bit and doing their own thing!
They might be pulling away from his family but they are so enmeshed with hers. They’re in all of the Caldwell family photos and the Caldwells are living in the house Joe and Kendra built for themselves. It seems so unhealthy to me.
The fact that Joseph & Kendra we’re living in a home on the Dugger property must make it really awkward, plus Joseph was working at a Duggar enterprise so how far can he afford to piss off his family.
I think a lot of the Duggar kids and their families are just simply tired of the spotlight, especially since Josh has caused it to be such a negative spotlight. This would explain why most of them do not want to be part of “Counting On” and are posting their own content on their RUclips channels. Especially with Jill’s example they are learning that there is a world and life outside of the model that their father has raised them in.
Hell, if it just benefits Jim Bob and Michelle which means it helps perverted Joshua...I don’t blame any of them for a single solitary second!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe the family made personal phone calls instead of social media posts
I think joe is taking space away from the duggar fam. If you go back to counting ons first few episodes joe said something similar to john that they dont know who josh & have no looking up to him any longer & lost respect for him. So yeah in my opinion he is seperating cause his parents treat josh like the golden boy! Just cause hes the oldest they have other boys so i still do not get why they are fighting so hard to keep a nasty man from jail!? But yes i would say joe wants nothing to do with josh!
It would be nice if all the adult boys would get out from under Jim Bobs thumb he's a control freak and these young men need to act like men. Maybe that's what Joseph is doing
It seems Jim Bob picks and chooses which of his kids are worthy of his time and his support. Did he think all 19 of his kids were just going to bend to his will ? Follow him blindly , no questions asked? At some point they are going to make their own decisions. Life isn't going to be all rainbows, puppies and glitter.
Jim bob only favors the kids that are loyal to him..
BOLLOCKS1968 I agree with you I think Jim Bob is realizing his children are grown and going their separate ways and making their own decisions and not under his control anymore. I also think a lot of it has to do with Josh and his issues and don’t want anything to do with him anymore because they have children of their own and are worried about their safety.
Yes Katie, I'm sure the Duggars saw your comment about them not wishing Garrett a happy birthday and immediately went and did so - all because of you.
Hahahaha! I noticed that too.
Joe and Jinger were always super close too. I remember him being really emotional when she got married.
Didn't the Caldwell's get kicked out of the Duggars rental?
Omg this just proves everyone has family problems and they're human. Had to edit because people honestly have no common sense. I'm saying that it just proves that every single person or family has any shorts of problems not just this. I honestly believe I'd known saying I did go through it daily from 8 years old and I'm more than a survivor, I'm strong standing and more. I'm not ashamed I was a child till I knew it was wrong and my bf was pre med I was in h.s he was gentlemen even as a teenager. He picked up the phone quietly and heard everything and walked to my room opened the door and said hang up, you're telling your dad or I am if you want the support he's not ever going to hurt anyone else again. I feel bad for all involved as well as the son because he's ill I'm not saying it's ok by any means but he needs help. Regardless of what faith if any color religion sexuality or money anyone is at the end and begins of a day we're all human beings we all have a story each different. All I'm saying is no one family is perfect by any means. @Zen
Yes
@@NormaJean951 you'd be surprised including in our industry before reality TV. It's sad but it's a pretty big problem just kept quiet from the public. Blessings
I'm hoping this video means 15 minutes later the poor kid will get a Happy Birthday from his dad's fam.
Ohhhh my gosh! I hope he is helping the Feds! He is probably even more disgusted since he is a father now!
Maybe they wished him happy birthday PERSONALLY. Just because it's not on social media, that doesn't mean they didn't wish his a happy b-day....just a thought.
Maybe, just maybe, some of these people have stepped back and realized that vomiting your entire life on social media is toxic and invites toxic behavior from others.
I've been wondering if Joseph has stepped up to become the actual leader in the family now that trust in Jim Bob seems to be in decline.
I don’t know why families need leaders anyway. So weird. My parents are just parents they weren’t my leader. They didn’t make decisions for our entire family once we were all grown
@@Catglittercrafts well I'm talking more about providing support and guidance. I don't think anyone is asking Joseph for permission on anything.
If any of the Duggars have any common sense or intelligence, I would hope they are intelligent enough to open their eyes as to the real truth about their parents and the fact that they were indeed raised in a cult.
Hi Katie
Thank you for all your excellent reporting
You are so welcome!
With that many kids you can't expect everyone to fall in line. They grew up and realized they have a mind of their own. Good for them.
Josh’s sickness freaked everyone out. As it should.
If I remember I thought you said a while back that the Duggars allegedly kicked the Caldwell's out of the rental causing them to move into Joe and Kendra's new house maybe there's issues from that??
Correct they did
That would make a lot of things awkward for Joe.
Did JB evict them or did they choose to leave because JB wanted rent $ all of a sudden????!!! Who knows the real story or facts.
Would love to be a fly on the wall too. 😂
I remember Joseph was really upset and disappointed in Josh after the first incident. I dont think he's gotten over it yet or ever will. He looked up to Josh.
The new baby for Kendra's mum is absolutely beautiful - and Kendra's mum looks great - easy to see where she gets her looks from!
@@kathrynwitte3398 ouch.😬
Favorite update of the day! Thank you 😊
Yay! Thank you!
I think that parents should be thankful that when their children become adults , they have enough intelligence to think for themselves and form their own opinions. And, the parents should respect that even if they don't agree with their adult children.
Perhaps loved ones reached out by phone and are trying to live without IG?
Joe may just want to distance his family from the tarnished family name and the drama Josh has caused
Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar are not worried about the grand children they put Josh first now and not the grand children
Wow! You are #1 on Duggar news. I’m gonna check out your other videos on teen mom. Keep up the good work 👍🏻
And you must have a Lotta time on your hands to be posting videos like this and you don’t even know the full situation of what is going on and I don’t know who your source is but a lot of times in the dog or family they will do two separate parties for the grandchildren so Kendra‘s family will do one for Garrett or whoever it may be and then the dog or family will do a separate party they’ve even shown that on the show several times you really need to get your facts straight before you start posting stuff not just assuming things that they all hate each other because of everything that’s going on with Josh right now
If you go against the family you're pushed out but if you break the law you're protected by the family
The difference in family treatment between Josh and Jill is unbelievable
Their logic makes no sense.
Katie i will take a bunch of 2 to 5 yr olds anytime
Age 13 they think they're all grown up and then at 17 they dont want to follow rules because they're almost an adult and they will remind you of that often lol
Age 13 then again at 17 are by far the hardest yrs
If only I could go back to the years of 3 small busy children hanging off my leg as I head out the door to work
Those sure were the best days
At least I knew where they were even if I didn't get a minites peace
I couldn’t agree more with you. How I wish for those 3-5 years.
Has it EVER crossed your mind that you might just be blocked from many of their pages therefore you would NOT see the likes? 🤔
Thanks for the coverage...yes, to be “a fly on the wall”
I’ll bet it either had something to do with how Jim Bob keeps all of the royalties from the show, and doesn’t allow even his grown kids to manage their own finances, which is why Jill and Derrick left. And I think had something to do with Josiah and Lauren leaving the family unit, as well. Or it could also just be business as usual around the Duggar house, with absolutely no restrictions for Josh, like he’s supposed to have. I highly doubt that he’s staying away from anyone, because in their Religion, the wife is basically owned by her husband, and has to do whatever he says. Then if he isn’t available, she’s supposed to go to the husbands Father! So we know that Jim Bob doesn’t think Josh has a problem, and Josh’s whole family lives in a teeny trailer on the Dugger property. So why she’s still having kids with him, is beyond me! Especially when he can’t even afford a home! I’m thinking that Kendra’s dad had to say something about whatever the situation is. And it must be serious, because they’re very nice people that I do not think would make waves if they didn’t absolutely have to. The Duggar’s are quick to write each other off, if Jim Bob says so, because he has all their money! He’s their meal ticket. So they probably feel like they have no choice, but to stay in line. I say the problem is 100% created by Jim Bob.. I’d bet on it!!
It’s not a tiny trailer, it’s a huge warehouse not far from the house. More than he deserved but the children needed somewhere to live.
I am assuming Anna and the kids are still at the warehouse but it is spacious and perfectly fine for their home. Josh is, of course, not there. As for continuing to have babies with Josh, this will be the last one. Absolute best case scenario for Josh will be 20 years in prison so baby #7 is, thankfully, Anna's last baby.
He can afford several homes, he’s shifted assets and put property and funds into Anna’s name in some shifty transactions. He’s by no means without funds but has taken it all out of his name in the two years he’s had since the raid
@@letitiakearney2423 Are you sure? Because I saw a pic of the trailer. Maybe they moved into the pole shed since then, idk, but regardless, he’s a loser..You’re right, more than deserved.
@@equality379 Well, if you have proof of this, then I’m sure the FBI does as well. Although, you don’t really make much to shift around on a car lot. So I think they’re broke.
I remember Joy talking about how close she was with Joseph and how much he had helped her. I expect that Joseph feels protective of her, and with this new mess coming out and how hard it is for Joy... The lies about the past (they never knew, above clothes, etc) which could POSSIBLY minimize what went on before, especially if it appeared to be resolved. Now this, it’s STILL going on even IF only virtually (we don’t know) showing true inclinations... And Joseph being a father now... I wonder if Pastor Caldwell refused some demand, refused to be coerced or go along in some way, and a threat was followed through with. JB does like power and control, having everyone beholden to him is one of his methods. I don’t take the lack of IG greetings as snubbing in every case, though it may well be with some. Joseph can see who liked his post. Joseph has always reminded me strongly of John David. Appearance, mannerisms, seems like character too. As much as Josh was presented as the perfect golden boy, I doubt any of the older kids were fooled. I always got a slimy skeevy vibe from him, and that’s the sculpted for TV version. I think JD was always the big brother, and Joseph his second. Very interesting observations, Katie Joy.
The fight at the church between Jim Bob and Mr. Caldwell was probably a power struggle with Jim Bob assuming he was in control and everything has to be HIS way!
My grandson is 15 months and you cant take your eyes off of him-they do, or, try to do such dangerous things
Having multiple children is nobody's business but, when you have multiple kids you can't afford, that's when we can judge, sorry not sorry 😐
And to me, affording means NOT excepting money from church, borrowing from loved ones, no gifts, etc. It means having a job to pay your own expenses for yourself and your family.
With a big family, we would have a birthday party with one side and then another party with the other just due to the size of of us.
I think it's telling how you mentioned your subscriber who drives by one of the Duggars house. That's super invasive. Let's be clear, JOSH is the one with the problem. Why are you focusing on the siblings? I get that maybe this is your job, but that bit of info you shared, makes me kinda sick. Please don't encourage social media to go to their homes! Children don't deserve media frenzy. They also don't deserve to be subject to SA or people with historical support of SA. This includes Jim Bob and Michelle. I wouldn't let any child near that family cluster!
The kid is 3. He doesn't need wishes on instagram...He can't read. They probably called and congratulated him.
Of Course, they can wish the boy a happy birthday by calling and texting him.
I’m only subbed for the Duggar content keep it coming!
Deal!
Same
Duggar’s and Sister Wives for me.
Me too! I don't watch the other shows that you do and only watch your Duggar videos. Sorry but I've tried watching your vids about the Bates and Sister Wives. I've never watched the Bates and can't keep up with who's who lol. I used to watch Sister Wives but only the first season and a few episodes in the second. Then, one episode here and there but I lost track of their drama.
I've never watched Teen Mom. Just didn't like the concept. Maybe that has to do with the fact that my birth mother was 17, I was 18 when I had my first but I was married and we planned on having a baby right away. My daughter was 17 when she had her first. With this family cycle, I just couldn't watch the show lol. Good part -- my daughter's first baby is almost 19 and has no intention in having children until she's at least 30 and only if she's settled and can afford it.
Sorry, I didn't mean to go on this long 🤭.
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So because no one "LIKED" it there is a feud in the family????? Talk about reaching. There may well be hard feelings between Joe and his parents but to base your theory on IG likes is just stupid. Not everyone lives their lives on social media. Give me a break....
This is about the only wife I ever see n pictured who just looks happy and not like a fearful animal afraid of sayi.gtne the wrong thing.
How can these parents with kids ever be near Josh again, knowing he watch videos of SA if 18 month olds?
An aside, important reminder; keep your children safe! ..share your children's photo at a minimum, only share with close family members aunt, uncles cousins okay ..exclude acquaintances, friends made on Facebook etc ..as a conscientious grandmother, I don't re-share my beloved grandchildren's photo ..I do so, with great pride, as they graduate from university ..moi
Lauren and Josiah are putting their family first and not Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar first
Finally there seeing the light.
Three year olds are wide flippin open!!! He looks like he is into everything!! Love it!!!
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Yes, they have no fear at that age. Jumping into & off of anything & everything. Both of my sons shins stayed bruised from the ages of 3-5 pretty much, along with scraped knees & elbows. They're in there 20s now, so we're long past that stage. 😂
My first 3 kids were fine. Sailed through the threenanger phase. Child #4 almost had me looking for boarding schools for toddlers. As far from Arkansas as possible. Child #5 is 2 and I can see her becoming a diva.
Ah yes, the ages 3 to 6. My girl was a climber. Not very good at it, but bless her heart, she'd try every chance she could. She'd bruise up her legs, and I stayed a wreck thinking people would assume bad things, but looking back now, it was first time mom guilt, and you can tell the difference between active kids and the marks of those very active kid years.
Am I the only one bothered by the drive by video clip? Who cares about a camper in a Duggar adult child’s driveway. 🤦♀️ That goes beyond privacy.
Its the fact that these particular fundies can't afford the kids they have let alone the ones they are still making. They r living in their daughters house and while I dont know this for fact..... are probably on some sort of assistance from the state. Which means all hard working people have to help support the decision to have tons of kids. Come on.
It's almost like they are all laying low wondering "ok, am I next?".
I wonder how long before everyone Katie said didn’t say Happy Birthday now will say it because of this video 🤔🤔🤔
It was 12 minutes lol
@@marybennett9765 for real? 😂
Now that you made this video the duggars will probably go on and make a post themselves 😂
So you have to wish a kid happy birthday on Instagram for it to count now? The kid doesn’t have Instagram. Who’s to say they didn’t call or text? Does it have to be public for it to have happened?
Damned if you do. Damned if you don't.
It’s weird because the Duggars are normally all about wishing each other happy birthday/happy anniversary/happy etc. on social media. I’m not a big fan of Katie, but she has a point.
There is ways off wishing someone a happy birthday without making it public...
Could it be Joseph smartened up and sees his family really for the first time, and severed ties or went no contact?
Y’all they have 19 kids and his father is a narcissist. The parents keep their kids at arms
length emotionally. They aren’t the most
loving to their sons. Do you truly believe that this won’t continue to happen? That these kids aren’t forging better relationships with loving in laws with less kids?
probly a riffed because Jim bob got the last piece of tater tot casserole
This is hilarious 😂
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Jim bob ' problay dosent eat the same food hes expected his kids to consume all these years..like tater tot special or king ala king.! Also jim bob prided himself that his daughters shopped at the thrift store for clothers and his suits were desinger made..!!
The Mom needs to quit having babies and enjoy her Grandkids.
I mean, Josie is 11 so it seems like Michelle IS done having kids...
I don’t think he and Kendra will leave the iblp but definitely something is going on within the Duggar family.
Well I Hope him and Kendra and the rest of the Caldwell family leave the cult and IBLP because it a give true Christians a bad taste.
The Duggar’s are a drama filled family!
There are so many of them I think I’d have to be on IG 24/7 to keep up with all the birthdays
Why do they need to wish him happy birthday on social media? Maybe they called or texted there brother
I feel as though people just need to mind their own business and live their own lives. I would not put any of my business on social media or TV.
I'm surprised at least Jill didn't say anything.
No one say one has to say happy Birthday on social media .
Here it’s a huge deal apparently. I did not wish my oldest son a happy birthday because I was with him, and then I forgot. A lot of her stories are about shade and feuding but it turns out it is only because of social media messages and likes.
I don't see Joseph cutting ties with cult but more so cutting ties with his parents.
It really looks like that Joseph and Kendra are going to be the next ones to fly the coop away from Jim Bob & Michelle and they may even slow down on having any more kids as a result too. To not wish an innocent 3yr old a happy birthday on his birthday over a feud with the maternal grandparents of that granchild is horrible and disrespectful. And, in regards to that mysterious RV in front of Josiah and Lauren's home, I just hope that Josh himself is not hiding out there to be closer to his parents. For if Josh is hiding out in that RV, there will be a whole lot of trouble for all involved. However, I would not be suprised for there is nothing that Jim Bob will not do for Josh. Eventually, the world will know the reason for that mysterious RV.
Shunning is definitely taking place in the family...
I find it so bizarre in these families that the parents are having children at the same time as their older children are having kids. Nieces and nephews in many cases are older than their aunts and uncles.
To me, this is just so messed up.
How is that messed up? It’s cooky but how is it causing any harm. All the stunts these people pull and that’s where you draw the line
@@swebb1 yeah, because what adult child wants to be pregnant and having kids alongside their parents?
If you don't think this is off, maybe YOU'VE got a problem. BTW, it's not 'cooky', it's kooky. If you're not sure of the word, don't use it, it makes you look like you have an IQ in the single digits, which judging by your comment could be the case.
Your forgetting their belief to even look at the evil is same as if you did thought in your mind..Joseph may have completely bucked the tide and wants his children seperate
This is very sad. You should be wishing there Grandson Happy Birthday. Good for Joseph for taking his wife side. You should never hurt a kid.
That is aweful that they not put their feelings aside for their grandsons birthday.
I wonder if any of them called to wish him a happy birthday?
Whatever happens,I don't think the baby train is going to slow down for Joe and Kendra.Kendra is just like her mom!
I feel you are very stalkerish. You are also reaching. Just because it wasn't on instagram doesn't mean that they didn't wish him a happy birthday. Have you heard of texting or calling ya that's not public. Their family is going through a lot right now and maybe they just want to take a break from the scrutiny from the public.
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