‘Mountain Dew and Racism’: Identity Enters the Election
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- The 2024 presidential race is officially in its identity politics stage. From “White Dudes for Harris,” to “D.E.I. candidate” accusations, the hosts debate how race and racism are being deployed in the second week of the Harris v. Trump election.
(A full transcript of this episode will be available within 24 hours of publication on the Times website.)
Mentioned in this episode:
• “Dreams From My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance” by Barack Obama
• “Rising Stare: The Making of Obama” by David J. Garrow
• “Barack Obama: The Story” by David Maraniss
• “The Olympic Flame Isn’t a Flame at All (www.nytimes.co...) ” by Andrew Keh
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The way DJT says black is too funny.
"Bil-Lahck"
I knew the freaks and weirdos rhetoric would hit a little too close to home for ross 😂
Snowflake NYT listeners haha😂
Frankly, it's childish. Makes sense to me why this group of faux-intellectual elitists hates Trump. He is just like them and they hate how they look in the mirror.
This podcast was all about the drama and I'm here for it
Regarding Ross’s comments about Trump’s identity strategy is spot on
I am a 75 year old Irish - Welsh American. I have watched my adopted biracial son work to piece together a biracial identity. He thinks of himself as Black andmulti-racial. My point is that we are all multi-identied. We need to become more accepting of difference as an embarrassment of riches. Purity isnt all its cracked up to be.
I’m biracial, but I don’t identify that way. I call myself Black. But I love my white family! It helped me learn that race isn’t as real as love and family and unity are. Purity is an illusion. Human bonds are strong and tangible.
"We need to become more accepting of difference as an embarrassment of riches. Purity isnt all its cracked up to be." Go tell that to the Japanese. It's only Western nations that are barraged with this message.
Come to think of it, under every video having to do with this topic from BBC, MSNBC, CNN, NYT, et cetera, there's always a top comment that reads something like yours. Yesterday I saw "I'm a 68-year-old White woman and...". If I was a conspiracy theorist I'd probably believe the comments are planted there to make others think "Well I guess if other people are saying this then who am I to disagree?" It's just odd that there's always one.
@@YouShouldHaveNoticedDecadesAgo Purity is a trash fantasy
I think a major difference in how Harris addresses the 'race issue' now versus 2019 is that in 2019 she was in a field of potential candidates vying for the nomination. She (probably) sought to make some distinction between her and the 6, 8, 10 other primary candidates, some of whom were women and/or 'of color'. Today she is already (effectively) the Democratic candidate facing the Republican candidate. So the distinctions between her and Trump in policy, attitude and 'composure' are far greater than between her and her 2019 primary competitors and as a result her need to differentiate herself is satisfied well before the obvious race & gender differences between her and Trump.
Well said 👍
So he’s big mad that he’s not the most popular boy in the news cycle and that nobody cares about his friggin’ ear anymore, so he’s doing what he always does and urning the conversation and attention back to him. This time, it’s in the form of trying to drive a wedge between races, in the form of colorism and mixed racism. People better not friggin’ fall for it.
We shouldn’t even be talking this much about it because that is exactly what he wants - for him to own the news cycle for a few days while we go back to our previous default position and spend weeks on defense, hand-wringing over his comments and clutching our pearls at how offended we are.
Just call him a creepy, weird, lying old dude, then talk about all the wonderful things Kamala’s going to do for the country and move on.
Why hasn’t the NYT discussed the fact that “race” is subjectively (not objectively) defined… unless you’re an advocate of eugenics, willing to publish a list of the requisite alleles to be adjudged, e.g., “white”? My suggestions that it do so have seemingly gone ignored for (literally) years.
Lydia Polgreen please stop trying to make jokes!
Also, I find it interesting how when Trump talks about race, suddenly it doesn't matter to black voters, yet when democrats talk about race, it's so very important. Ross is spot on as usual.
Ross how dare you accuse the media and the DNC of the things it is so clearly guilty of and have the audacity to provide evidence to that end!
Please please please have an African American on this panel. Believe it or not but there are groups of African Americans that aren't voting for Kamala because she isn't "black enough". Also, as we already have noticed black men were more likely to vote for Trump, that is definitely not changing with Kamala due to her time as AG in California.
All signs indicate it is changing thus far. Yes there are some people who might think Kamala Harris is not "black enough" but people said that about Barack Obama, also.
Ross tap dancing so hard to avoid being cancelled for calling Kamala telling her literal true story "pulling a card."
Don’t you think President Putin is a useful role model for identifying the people who are victims of oppression 😅
who the hell is speaking? how can you not include that in the description?!
People are tired of the endless identity politics
Why am I disgusted by Ross Douthat? I am NOT a Tim Miller fan, but you all should watch his interview with Ross Douthat. The half ounce of tolerance I had for Ross Douthat completely disappeared.
Ross is a long time freak. You should read his coming of age memoirs about his time at college and his escapades with William f Buckley. First class freak
You actually know these peoples names?
I went and watched that, God Douthat sucks.
In fairness! A worthwhile listen. Thank you!
I don’t like being “weird” about race like Trump. I prefer to be normal. You know, like race segregated zoom calls. Normal.
“We’re gonna break out our calipers…” Oops. That’s a tell.
Of all the Hitler talk, remember that H’s racism was modeled on American Progressives. From Eugenics forward, the NYT has loved calipers. Thanks for owning it!
OMG cult 😳
Thanks NYT!
The greater problem with Harris isn't how she wants to identify, though it's clear she struggles connecting with normal Black people. It all seems performative. The greater and more serious problem is a woman in power who struggles getting along with her father and has no relationship with him. She is almost 60 and hasn't resolved that yet. That's a red flag for me.
Sidenote; The words codeswitching and woke have been around since the 90's used by Black Xers. Just because those more assimilated haven't heard it until their kids started using it 5 years ago doesn't make them or their kids hipper. Harris might be a codeswitcher but no one in their right mind would say she was woke or even near BLM. The fact that people find Ross annoying but Hillary acceptable shows you don't care about politics you care about personalities and being accepted. There is your true weird, as adults. The guy is conservative and open minded in the way of George Will or David Brooks as opposed to Bill Kristol. That's what conservatism was before Newt Gingrich heard Reagan. The Clintons are conservatives pretending to be progressive who have sold the DNC, country and themselves to the highest bidder. In the long term you will find Harris more like the Clintons than Obama or Biden.
Why should that be on her and not him?
“I perceive Harris to have daddy issues, so that’s a red flag for me. Woman in power with family issues is a serious problem in government.”
Dude. You’re weird.
@@Dan-dy8zp 1)He is a man who dedicated his first major work to his daughters even though his ex wife would not allow him to see his kids or talk to them because she was angry. Even still he continued to reach out.
2) He is an economist. He isn't trying to be POTUS, the most powerful person in the world.
Ok, so although I would also assume the same red flag, but let's remember, we aren't going to marry this woman. We aren't even going to date her.
She will do as any other president has done. She will hire smart people in her cabinet and they will make most of the policy.
The only president didn't do that, to my knowledge, is Trump, and hence, the ensuing 4 year shit storm.
Btw, I'm a Reagan Republican that hasn't voted Republican since McCain.
@@Existential8Ball I'll be your huckleberry. Bro, the 'weird' thing only works for people who want to be like the crowd. I'm a military kid. I was never with the majority of y'all. When you get some time maybe look at the political theory of exploiting people's personal actions and behavior to predict their behavior in a crisis or a world stage.
Next, when you use quotes you are supposed to use my exact statement, hence you quoting me. In the meantime, go vote for who they tell you to.
I'm not going to vote for Harris - not because of any of this toxic identity politics (thats progressives for that most illiberal concept) but because she has never won a single vote to get to run. Not one during the 2020 run which she dropped out after Iowa with 0 votes and not this time either.
I refuse to vote for a candidate that did not go through a primary.
So you've never voted for an incumbent president?
@@antiantiderivative Harris is not an incumbent president.
Is it not super concerning to you that the DNC basically anointed her?
For a party that is talking about democracy and representation - it’s unacceptable.
I voted for her as Biden’s VP/replacement. Here we are, he’s been replaced.
Ross always does his best to develop any nuance hidden in Trump’s meat fisted hammer blows on the nail he sees appearing from one day’s news cycle.😂😂😂 we have to keep on cheering for Ross to be uninhabited in his comments, because we understand Ross’s intentions. And we don’t yet understand Trump’s intentions beneath his words.
You’re actually going to over analyze the fact the if someone in the USA is half black they aren’t possibly black? This is a ridiculous conversation and in doing so you play into trumps BS. If you want to analyze please find a topic worthy of such an endeavor.
these people are so out of touch. Like philosophers debating heads of pins and angels
Great title 😄
At 7:56 I'm looking for the Dramamine wondering if this one is also going to turn into the Ross Douthat Word Salad Show! Please... (He does understand that racism isn't a campaign strategy, right? That it's just racism employed strategically, right?)
I wouldn't want to stipulate what Mr. Douthat does or doesn't understand.
Get ready for the Shapiro train. All aboard!
I am trying to make it through this interview, but Ross Douthat, I cannot stomach him and on the edge of dropping out. Carlos and the woman on the panel are trying to put him in his place, but he DOESN'T get it.
NYT listeners really need to stop getting triggered by normal conservatives. Calm down you sound childish
@@pg-mr7uc I ❤️ your opinion of me, yep, yep! I couldn't wait for these types of responses to come in response to my point of view. Ha!
@@weston.weston I assume you aren’t defending yourself, I struck a nerve
@pg-mr7uc Was waiting for you, keep it coming!
@pg-mr7uc Was waiting for you! Please keep it coming, I want to compare my responses to yours. I never uttered an insult and won't, but you're welcome to + disagree with my opinions if you want, and continue your rants here. I will always respond with "keep at it!" Yasss!
With all due respect to him as a human, Ross Douthat is intellectually as weak as any pundit I have ever heard on an NYT show. His positions are inherently defensive, intellectually empty and ultimately dependent on messaging from his conservative daddies. He is far, far out of touch. Terrible, tbh.
Totally disagree. It’s such a great balance to have him as a sane conservative voice. Love Ross!
Fascinating discussion. I get the impression that Ross, and too many political conservatives in fact, come across as 'vexed' by the fact that there are multi-racial/ethnic people that can move and communicate between both communities. Like it's a cheat code or something. It really shows how their 2D views are inadequate for a 3D world in this context.
There’s no need for her to be fake, though. She doesn’t have to adopt a completely fake southern accent out of nowhere.
@@NotANameist Many black people speak with a similar cadence, especially when among ourselves or family, regardless of attained level of education or region. It's part of our shared heritage, and she is more than welcome to embrace it and lay claim to it, because it's earned. If that confuses you, then I understand.
Ross always talks exactly like a Trump supporter. Which he is...
Blame climate crisis bebe!
Get over the gas produced 🔥, Grandpa!
The Trump trope hour.
So passee’. 🥱
What a weird comment
CNN and no fact checking rules and now Fox. Why don't ya'll just hold the debates at a Trump rally.