I love my 2023 Ducati Diavel V4 rider aids, they make me ride like a pro. I can down shift through a corner while doing 80 MPH easily. And I can stop in a dime. I'm 60 years old with over 40 years riding experience. As long as you know how the systems work they are great. It's a game changer.
Morning Matthew - many thanks for you're supportive, well informed, words. As a fellow 60-year-old, I can only agree heartily (except, I don't do much 80 mph cornering!). Thanks for the vote of confidence though - it's nice to hear a genuine rider aids user being so positive (no-one else seems to admit it, so good on ya', mate!). Cheers, Chris
Thanks for the kind words. You know after years of (covid) reflection and turning 70 i decided i'm currently not afraid to die as much as I'm afraid NOT TO LIVE. To the nice people on Forum!
Wow. Well explained.Great chat on Luddites and the behaviour of people on Forums. U gained One more subscriber. The kind of forum I wanna be part of. BTW I'm a retunring motrocyclist at 70 after a crash hitting a deer at 100KmH. Returning because air bag technology, will keep me safe incase i meet another deer......
Afternoon Exec - thanks for commenting. :-) You're a brave fella' to get back into the saddle after the deer thing: Impressive! Ride safe and, always watch out for deer, and weirdos on forums... Cheers, Chris
Morning Andre - I didn't do the 'remapping' as I understand a remap is less substantial than a reprogram. I have no technical understanding of this sort of thing (!), but the Hilltop website explains that a reprogram is better... so that's what I did. (Although it was expensive - about £300 - it was hugely beneficial for my Sportster!) Cheers, Chris
@@chrisoftheot6272 you have a Sportster good for you. I have four hundred thousand miles on my Sportster. The engine is all original except for the stator which I wore out at 250,000 miles. I change the oil twice a year and I change the filter every other shot and I change the gearbox fluid every time I change the filter. I find it ironic that is soon as Harley-Davidson cancels the Sportster claiming your 05 is the reason and the Chinese have one waiting in the wings that passes Euro 5. Ironically I bought my Harley so I could have lots of choices for when I would need to have valve jobs as such tension stuff done because I ride my bike all the time along with my other ones being retired now. It has been phenomenally reliable and dependable beyond my wildest dreams. I got 100,000 miles plus out of a belt I still have the original sprockets that came with the bike not worn at all. I just put tires on it and a battery once-in-a-blue-moon and she keeps going and going and going. I am looking forward to having her back on the road. Not a fast bike but I have my Triumph Daytona if I want to go fast my 1973 500 not the fake Triumph made in Taiwan. I am so glad to Stormbreaker is coming out because it will introduce so many people to the pleasure of riding and evolution Sportster and priced equivalent to the Royal Enfield Interceptor it will give them a run for their money. With all the accessories you can buy for a sportster and all the hop-up accessories you can get for the motor the Interceptor has no chance to compete with that. Plus the Sportster is built old school with everything and bushings and bearings because it was made to last forever no planned obsolescence. There is a little bearing in the clutch that goes out every 50 or 60 thousand miles it's a little $10 bag of parts from the Harley dealer it takes about 30 minutes to put it in the primary that's it
Morning Lopsided - that's a good spot. Even the Rocket seems to have only torque assist, not slipper. My mistake. And, I'm shocked! I was sure these Triumphs had slipper clutches. Just to cater for the ignorant. Erm, like me, what is torque assist? Is it just a fancy name for power assisted? Anyway, thanks for the vigilance. 🙂 I saw you on the Bobber forums, while I was lurking. Nice to see you here too. Cheers, Chris
Fantastic video, These systems only kick in after you mess up. That's what I tell people although I don't say messed up. I "sit" at a different end of the motorcycling spectrum. My Tiger 800XCA has similar electronics to your Speedmaster plus some off-road additions. I've had a motorcycle license for 50+ years for pleasure & work, mainly riding bikes with drum brakes never mind electronic aids. I bought the Tiger when I retired. I tour on gravel roads. The TC & ABS weren't deciding factor. Now I'm jolly glad they are there. I even find the cruise control useful. We have sealed roads with a 100kph limit where you only see a handful of vehicles every hour, but the police are there with the old radar, set the cruise control at 98 & you don't creep over, plus you can rest your right hand. On gravel, the TC & ABS work brilliantly.
Morning Bernie - many thanks for the compliment. TC & ABS have come such a long way over the years. To hear you say how well they work on 'gravel roads' is high praise indeed. And I wholly agree about cruise control being so useful - especially that 'rest your right hand'. Makes a big diiference now that I'm old! Cheers, Chris
@@chrisoftheot6272 You may be interested in Brett Tkac's RUclips video "Use ABS off-road". He tests modern ABS on various surfaces. ruclips.net/video/_zQoFML9xPk/видео.html & "Why you use both brakes riding downhill off-road." ruclips.net/video/-rQwIXp4Zu8/видео.html. All the best from Down Under.
Morning Bernie - I've not heard of Bret Tkacs channel before, but the video looks very impressive: very thorough and sceintific. I'll have to check out the rest of his channel. Thanks for the pointer, Chris
I changed my bike because it had not abs and tc and had weak brakes. I must say, I feel much safer. I really like classic cruise control, But I relly hate Adaptive CC, stupid warning sounds and lights or independent breaking, does not matter if in car or motorbike.
Morning Martin - sorry mate, I thought I'd replied to you here. I've never used cruise control before, but now I absolutely love it! I still have never even touched a bike with adaptive cruise control (or any vehicle, as far as I know), but, from your description, it sounds too intrusive. I think I read one of your posts saying how much you're liking the Rocket. Good job! Enjoy it mate. Cheers, Chris
Some become more positive re rider aids after having safety critical "rider aid" interventions. My current bike does not have an IMU....I have ridden an IMU equipped Ducati. I have owned a car with Radar Cruise control & hold assist braking. Some infer they can out perform a decent IMU equipped bike. Others suggest they could never see benefit from rider aids....Personally I do not make such claims. I value true analogue riding skills albeit I know bikers that have crashed (some more than others), when exploring limits. ...I accept that high skill is involved in best mastering "on the limit" analogue riding skils. I also accept riders can crash on bikes with rider aids...plenty of Moto GP riders do so. I believe most analogue trained pilots can acknowledge what a Eurofighter Typhoon can do...even if they prefer the challenge &/or enjoyment of flying rawer aircraft. I am not a fan of poorly reasoned hostile argument &/or trolls. Good video - Thanks 👍🏍😮
Thank you for the vote of confidence AW8. :-) The only vehicle I've ever owned with electronic aids (other than ABS) is my current Speedmaster. It does not have an IMU, but does have traction/cruise/etc., but if the IMU were an option, I would have got it. Your observation that Sopwith Camel pilots would still appreciate Typhoon abilities is very apt - and true, I think, the other way around. Certainly I would enjoy a piston engine bi-plane, even if I went to work in a Typhoon. Which I obviously do. Everyday. The 'analogue' feel is second to none, no question. But the reality of every day riding (or flying) in the modern world means that 'digital' is easier and safer. Now that I have passed 60, easy/safe/comfortable are all essential: no more Sopwiths for me (alas). But that doesn't mean I can't appreciate a lovely, old machine. In fact, I am one... No, I am. Cheers AW8 - thanks for your encouraging comment, Chris
Morning C.G.C - thanks for watching the vid, I thought no-one noticed this one at all! 'Tis true that science isn't necessarily positive, but I think it is positve here. Also, did you say before that IMUs (etc.) 'erode the pilot's role'? To some degree, I suppose it must do. But it's easy enough to aviod 'cos there are so many bikes that don't have IMUs and stuff, so it's just a case of riding one of those, I suppose. That said, I'm getting old now so I am bound to have Luddite tendencies... just not in regard to motorbike rider aids! Thanks again C.G.C, Chris
@@chrisoftheot6272 hello Chris, it's a difficult subject this one. On one hand it is obvious, electronics give you a safety advantage which is a huge benefit but on the other hand one could argue: what's the next step? or, is it really worth it to be so so protected by technology anything we do? Men used to hope in god and I have the feeling that technology is gaining a religious dimension that can't be debated.
Well, I expect Intel will be glad to hear that C.G.C.! For me, more electrics is more betterer 'cos I can so easily avoid them if I wish (on a motorbike). But I wouldn't want to be without fuel injection because of ethanol and I wouldn't be without ABS. Even on a Sportster. Cheers, Chris
@@chrisoftheot6272 hi Chris, you know what? I’m on the tube coming back from Triumph since the CO2 sensor is faulty on my 2021 brand new Bonneville! It’s my second CO2 sensor in less than a year !!
I have no use for Rider age whatsoever if people don't learn from their mistakes how do they ever get better if the machine compensates for this stupidity they could do stupid stuff with the machine compensating for them. They should learn the proper skills and refine them until they're like the back of their hand. Pretty soon they will be like the old Penny motorcycle machines outside the Piggly Wiggly where you just get on it grab the handlebars and the Machine just rocks back and forth. You will be a passive passenger just like in an autonomous car. I don't want the motorcycle to tell me how fast I'm going to go or how hard I'm going to step on the brakes or how far I'm going to lean over or anything. But then I'm not in the market for a new motorcycle because they're all a collection of government regulations on two wheels nothing more nothing less.
Morning Frank. Well, that was, erm, forthright. I can (more or less) understand why you don't like the electronics, but why are you so angry about them? As you say, they are all easily avoided - buy a bike without them - so not really anything to get angry about. Also, what about your foot? Is it okay now? What was the problem? Cheers, Chris
Your opinions are filled with blind ignorance. I have motorcycles with 5-Axis and 6-axis IMUs and in no way does it interfere with my riding enjoyment but instead adds to it. If you look at death and injury statistics on motorcycles objectively you should never ride without the benefit of minimal aids like ABS because the risk vs. reward equation is very unfavorable. I started my first riding off-road on small displacement dual sports in my youth and after a 25 year hiatus started riding motorcycles again both on and off-road. If you have never riden off-road then your riding skills are never fully developed. The street is the worst place to learn to ride and enhance your skills unless you want high risk of death or permanent disability. Only on closed course with qualified instructor or performing demonstrated drills in an empty parking lot will improve your skills appreciably. No rider is 100% attentive all of the time nor can predict the unexpected events that happen and trust their momentary instincts will lead them to a safe outcome every time. I have experienced the effects of rear wheel slip-out in a corner at the start of light rainstorm on striping or unexpected sand in a corner while braking and survived without laying down the bike or exiting the roadway. This all on bikes without rider aids and consider myself fortunate to not incur major incident. Riding two-up is another realm of responsibility where you are placing another person's life in your hands. Now as a spirited but controlled older rider I have experienced the benefits of ABS and 5-axis and 6-axis IMU plus traction control. It is that added margin of safety when things go wrong in an unexpected way. At the same time these aids in no way save you from your own stupidity. If you have never ridden a modern 1000 cc+ bike with 100+ hp you have zero clue about riding high performance motorcycles. You may as well instead go to the Piggly Wiggly and drop in a few quarters because you probably ride like the old grandpas I pass riding cruisers with their leather sofas.
@@kannermw oh please you do not develop skills nor do you improve upon them if the machine does all the work for you until it stopped can you find out how expensive it is to fix your electronics and then you will live without whatever failed
@Frank Markovci Jr I've owned cars with ABS, traction, and stability control for over the past 20 years and not one of those systems have ever failed. I will be selling this spring my 2018 VStrom 1000XT with 5-axis IMU and over 25K miles and it has been trouble-free. Prior to that I had VStrom 650 with ABS only (no traction control). When I purchased VStrom 1000 I found my rear tire life was much improved extending the same size tire replacement interval from about 4500 miles to 5500 miles saving me money and time for changing tires without reduction in acceleration. Slip actually reduces acceleration on the street. I'm highly confident my riding skills would exceed yours by a significant margin. I'm not so dumb as you are to believe that when faced with the worst of unexpected circumstances like a critter jumping out in front of me in a high speed corner on a two lane road with no shoulders and with some wet leaves blown onto the road I would stand a better chance of surviving without incident based on riding skills alone.
@@kannermw the fact that you have been operating vehicles with all of the nanny State controls on it proves my point you do not have no probably have never ridden anything that does not have a rider assist. I get 10000 miles out of a rear tire. None of my bikes even have abs. I have been riding motorcycles longer than you have probably been on the planet. I have over a million miles under my belt do not drive a car riding motorcycle Everywhere I Go. 25000 km my God I had that before I even broke in the bike. 2018 with that little amount of miles on it please. I had 500,000 miles on my BMW 100/70 until a woman pulled out in front of me and left me all of 2 feet to stop my motorcycle in and no matter how skilled you are you cannot stop into feet not even ABS will help you. You put so little miles on your motorcycles and so many years I really don't think you have any legs to stand on. When I got my first real motorcycle my cm185 TwinStar I put 36,000 miles on that bike in one year. When I got my Honda CX500 I put $59,000 on it the first year. My Sportster is that I have had for 24 years has 400,000 miles on her just day trips in the State of Florida because I do not drive at night any longer between the wild pigs the drunks and the textures I just don't find it worthwhile. I hit a wild pig with my 600 BMW, in the daytime no less, my riding buddies a chaplain from my post why surprised I did not drop the bike. I am also a self-taught pilot. On a new BMW if the ABS goes bad it is a $2,400 repair show people simply bypass it and go back to regular breaking. I think I have made my point.
Great video, the best about 6-axis IMU! Congratulations Chris! Keep on...
Thank you Panoskos - I will do. :-)
Cheers,
Chris
I love my 2023 Ducati Diavel V4 rider aids, they make me ride like a pro. I can down shift through a corner while doing 80 MPH easily. And I can stop in a dime. I'm 60 years old with over 40 years riding experience. As long as you know how the systems work they are great. It's a game changer.
Morning Matthew - many thanks for you're supportive, well informed, words. As a fellow 60-year-old, I can only agree heartily (except, I don't do much 80 mph cornering!).
Thanks for the vote of confidence though - it's nice to hear a genuine rider aids user being so positive (no-one else seems to admit it, so good on ya', mate!).
Cheers,
Chris
great material, now I know what's in my motorcycle and how it works, great job 👌
Thanks Koto - always nice to read such a positve comment.
Cheers,
Chris
Thanks for the kind words. You know after years of (covid) reflection and turning 70 i decided i'm currently not afraid to die as much as I'm afraid NOT TO LIVE. To the nice people on Forum!
Morning Exec - that's a sound observation. Live as well as you can!
Cheers,
Chris
Great video Chris I whole heartedly agree with you.
Thank you Shovelhead. Your affirmation is very much appreciated. Cheers mate.
Wow. Well explained.Great chat on Luddites and the behaviour of people on Forums. U gained One more subscriber. The kind of forum I wanna be part of. BTW I'm a retunring motrocyclist at 70 after a crash hitting a deer at 100KmH. Returning because air bag technology, will keep me safe incase i meet another deer......
Afternoon Exec - thanks for commenting. :-) You're a brave fella' to get back into the saddle after the deer thing: Impressive!
Ride safe and, always watch out for deer, and weirdos on forums...
Cheers,
Chris
You said that when you downshift, you skid The rear wheel because the engine is moving faster than the rear wheel. Take a moment and think about that.
Hallo..you have Videos for 1200 sportster Costum...have you mapping the sportster? Or habe ecm resetet? Thanks for answer
Morning Andre - I didn't do the 'remapping' as I understand a remap is less substantial than a reprogram. I have no technical understanding of this sort of thing (!), but the Hilltop website explains that a reprogram is better... so that's what I did. (Although it was expensive - about £300 - it was hugely beneficial for my Sportster!)
Cheers,
Chris
@@chrisoftheot6272 you have a Sportster good for you. I have four hundred thousand miles on my Sportster. The engine is all original except for the stator which I wore out at 250,000 miles. I change the oil twice a year and I change the filter every other shot and I change the gearbox fluid every time I change the filter. I find it ironic that is soon as Harley-Davidson cancels the Sportster claiming your 05 is the reason and the Chinese have one waiting in the wings that passes Euro 5. Ironically I bought my Harley so I could have lots of choices for when I would need to have valve jobs as such tension stuff done because I ride my bike all the time along with my other ones being retired now. It has been phenomenally reliable and dependable beyond my wildest dreams. I got 100,000 miles plus out of a belt I still have the original sprockets that came with the bike not worn at all. I just put tires on it and a battery once-in-a-blue-moon and she keeps going and going and going. I am looking forward to having her back on the road. Not a fast bike but I have my Triumph Daytona if I want to go fast my 1973 500 not the fake Triumph made in Taiwan. I am so glad to Stormbreaker is coming out because it will introduce so many people to the pleasure of riding and evolution Sportster and priced equivalent to the Royal Enfield Interceptor it will give them a run for their money. With all the accessories you can buy for a sportster and all the hop-up accessories you can get for the motor the Interceptor has no chance to compete with that. Plus the Sportster is built old school with everything and bushings and bearings because it was made to last forever no planned obsolescence. There is a little bearing in the clutch that goes out every 50 or 60 thousand miles it's a little $10 bag of parts from the Harley dealer it takes about 30 minutes to put it in the primary that's it
Thank you, one correction: Speedmaster does not have a slipper clutch, only a torque assist.
Morning Lopsided - that's a good spot. Even the Rocket seems to have only torque assist, not slipper. My mistake. And, I'm shocked! I was sure these Triumphs had slipper clutches.
Just to cater for the ignorant. Erm, like me, what is torque assist? Is it just a fancy name for power assisted?
Anyway, thanks for the vigilance. 🙂 I saw you on the Bobber forums, while I was lurking. Nice to see you here too.
Cheers,
Chris
Fantastic video, These systems only kick in after you mess up. That's what I tell people although I don't say messed up. I "sit" at a different end of the motorcycling spectrum. My Tiger 800XCA has similar electronics to your Speedmaster plus some off-road additions. I've had a motorcycle license for 50+ years for pleasure & work, mainly riding bikes with drum brakes never mind electronic aids. I bought the Tiger when I retired. I tour on gravel roads. The TC & ABS weren't deciding factor. Now I'm jolly glad they are there. I even find the cruise control useful. We have sealed roads with a 100kph limit where you only see a handful of vehicles every hour, but the police are there with the old radar, set the cruise control at 98 & you don't creep over, plus you can rest your right hand. On gravel, the TC & ABS work brilliantly.
Morning Bernie - many thanks for the compliment.
TC & ABS have come such a long way over the years. To hear you say how well they work on 'gravel roads' is high praise indeed. And I wholly agree about cruise control being so useful - especially that 'rest your right hand'. Makes a big diiference now that I'm old!
Cheers,
Chris
@@chrisoftheot6272 You may be interested in Brett Tkac's RUclips video "Use ABS off-road". He tests modern ABS on various surfaces. ruclips.net/video/_zQoFML9xPk/видео.html & "Why you use both brakes riding downhill off-road." ruclips.net/video/-rQwIXp4Zu8/видео.html. All the best from Down Under.
Morning Bernie - I've not heard of Bret Tkacs channel before, but the video looks very impressive: very thorough and sceintific. I'll have to check out the rest of his channel.
Thanks for the pointer,
Chris
@@chrisoftheot6272 No worries. A lot of his videos translate across all types of motorcycling.
Nicely done.
Thanks Paulo, it's nice to know someone is watching this video! 😊
Cheers,
Chris
I changed my bike because it had not abs and tc and had weak brakes. I must say, I feel much safer.
I really like classic cruise control, But I relly hate Adaptive CC, stupid warning sounds and lights or independent breaking, does not matter if in car or motorbike.
Morning Martin - sorry mate, I thought I'd replied to you here.
I've never used cruise control before, but now I absolutely love it! I still have never even touched a bike with adaptive cruise control (or any vehicle, as far as I know), but, from your description, it sounds too intrusive.
I think I read one of your posts saying how much you're liking the Rocket. Good job! Enjoy it mate.
Cheers,
Chris
Some become more positive re rider aids after having safety critical "rider aid" interventions.
My current bike does not have an IMU....I have ridden an IMU equipped Ducati. I have owned a car with Radar Cruise control & hold assist braking.
Some infer they can out perform a decent IMU equipped bike. Others suggest they could never see benefit from rider aids....Personally I do not make such claims.
I value true analogue riding skills albeit I know bikers that have crashed (some more than others), when exploring limits. ...I accept that high skill is involved in best mastering "on the limit" analogue riding skils. I also accept riders can crash on bikes with rider aids...plenty of Moto GP riders do so.
I believe most analogue trained pilots can acknowledge what a Eurofighter Typhoon can do...even if they prefer the challenge &/or enjoyment of flying rawer aircraft.
I am not a fan of poorly reasoned hostile argument &/or trolls.
Good video - Thanks 👍🏍😮
Thank you for the vote of confidence AW8. :-)
The only vehicle I've ever owned with electronic aids (other than ABS) is my current Speedmaster. It does not have an IMU, but does have traction/cruise/etc., but if the IMU were an option, I would have got it.
Your observation that Sopwith Camel pilots would still appreciate Typhoon abilities is very apt - and true, I think, the other way around. Certainly I would enjoy a piston engine bi-plane, even if I went to work in a Typhoon. Which I obviously do. Everyday. The 'analogue' feel is second to none, no question. But the reality of every day riding (or flying) in the modern world means that 'digital' is easier and safer. Now that I have passed 60, easy/safe/comfortable are all essential: no more Sopwiths for me (alas). But that doesn't mean I can't appreciate a lovely, old machine. In fact, I am one...
No, I am.
Cheers AW8 - thanks for your encouraging comment,
Chris
Good further analogies.. I refuse to let age maturity negatively shape my persona (bloke in 50's here)..All the best 😊
The idea that scientific development necessarily means progress for the human kind is wrong and misleading
Morning C.G.C - thanks for watching the vid, I thought no-one noticed this one at all!
'Tis true that science isn't necessarily positive, but I think it is positve here. Also, did you say before that IMUs (etc.) 'erode the pilot's role'? To some degree, I suppose it must do. But it's easy enough to aviod 'cos there are so many bikes that don't have IMUs and stuff, so it's just a case of riding one of those, I suppose.
That said, I'm getting old now so I am bound to have Luddite tendencies... just not in regard to motorbike rider aids!
Thanks again C.G.C,
Chris
@@chrisoftheot6272 hello Chris, it's a difficult subject this one. On one hand it is obvious, electronics give you a safety advantage which is a huge benefit but on the other hand one could argue: what's the next step? or, is it really worth it to be so so protected by technology anything we do? Men used to hope in god and I have the feeling that technology is gaining a religious dimension that can't be debated.
Well, I expect Intel will be glad to hear that C.G.C.!
For me, more electrics is more betterer 'cos I can so easily avoid them if I wish (on a motorbike). But I wouldn't want to be without fuel injection because of ethanol and I wouldn't be without ABS. Even on a Sportster.
Cheers,
Chris
@@chrisoftheot6272 hi Chris, you know what? I’m on the tube coming back from Triumph since the CO2 sensor is faulty on my 2021 brand new Bonneville! It’s my second CO2 sensor in less than a year !!
@@chrisoftheot6272 The point is that far too many people believe that technological development necesserely means progress. It's a trop, a false myth.
I have no use for Rider age whatsoever if people don't learn from their mistakes how do they ever get better if the machine compensates for this stupidity they could do stupid stuff with the machine compensating for them. They should learn the proper skills and refine them until they're like the back of their hand. Pretty soon they will be like the old Penny motorcycle machines outside the Piggly Wiggly where you just get on it grab the handlebars and the Machine just rocks back and forth. You will be a passive passenger just like in an autonomous car. I don't want the motorcycle to tell me how fast I'm going to go or how hard I'm going to step on the brakes or how far I'm going to lean over or anything. But then I'm not in the market for a new motorcycle because they're all a collection of government regulations on two wheels nothing more nothing less.
Morning Frank. Well, that was, erm, forthright. I can (more or less) understand why you don't like the electronics, but why are you so angry about them? As you say, they are all easily avoided - buy a bike without them - so not really anything to get angry about.
Also, what about your foot? Is it okay now? What was the problem?
Cheers,
Chris
Your opinions are filled with blind ignorance. I have motorcycles with 5-Axis and 6-axis IMUs and in no way does it interfere with my riding enjoyment but instead adds to it. If you look at death and injury statistics on motorcycles objectively you should never ride without the benefit of minimal aids like ABS because the risk vs. reward equation is very unfavorable.
I started my first riding off-road on small displacement dual sports in my youth and after a 25 year hiatus started riding motorcycles again both on and off-road. If you have never riden off-road then your riding skills are never fully developed. The street is the worst place to learn to ride and enhance your skills unless you want high risk of death or permanent disability. Only on closed course with qualified instructor or performing demonstrated drills in an empty parking lot will improve your skills appreciably.
No rider is 100% attentive all of the time nor can predict the unexpected events that happen and trust their momentary instincts will lead them to a safe outcome every time. I have experienced the effects of rear wheel slip-out in a corner at the start of light rainstorm on striping or unexpected sand in a corner while braking and survived without laying down the bike or exiting the roadway. This all on bikes without rider aids and consider myself fortunate to not incur major incident. Riding two-up is another realm of responsibility where you are placing another person's life in your hands. Now as a spirited but controlled older rider I have experienced the benefits of ABS and 5-axis and 6-axis IMU plus traction control. It is that added margin of safety when things go wrong in an unexpected way. At the same time these aids in no way save you from your own stupidity.
If you have never ridden a modern 1000 cc+ bike with 100+ hp you have zero clue about riding high performance motorcycles. You may as well instead go to the Piggly Wiggly and drop in a few quarters because you probably ride like the old grandpas I pass riding cruisers with their leather sofas.
@@kannermw oh please you do not develop skills nor do you improve upon them if the machine does all the work for you until it stopped can you find out how expensive it is to fix your electronics and then you will live without whatever failed
@Frank Markovci Jr I've owned cars with ABS, traction, and stability control for over the past 20 years and not one of those systems have ever failed. I will be selling this spring my 2018 VStrom 1000XT with 5-axis IMU and over 25K miles and it has been trouble-free. Prior to that I had VStrom 650 with ABS only (no traction control). When I purchased VStrom 1000 I found my rear tire life was much improved extending the same size tire replacement interval from about 4500 miles to 5500 miles saving me money and time for changing tires without reduction in acceleration. Slip actually reduces acceleration on the street.
I'm highly confident my riding skills would exceed yours by a significant margin. I'm not so dumb as you are to believe that when faced with the worst of unexpected circumstances like a critter jumping out in front of me in a high speed corner on a two lane road with no shoulders and with some wet leaves blown onto the road I would stand a better chance of surviving without incident based on riding skills alone.
@@kannermw the fact that you have been operating vehicles with all of the nanny State controls on it proves my point you do not have no probably have never ridden anything that does not have a rider assist. I get 10000 miles out of a rear tire. None of my bikes even have abs. I have been riding motorcycles longer than you have probably been on the planet. I have over a million miles under my belt do not drive a car riding motorcycle Everywhere I Go. 25000 km my God I had that before I even broke in the bike. 2018 with that little amount of miles on it please. I had 500,000 miles on my BMW 100/70 until a woman pulled out in front of me and left me all of 2 feet to stop my motorcycle in and no matter how skilled you are you cannot stop into feet not even ABS will help you. You put so little miles on your motorcycles and so many years I really don't think you have any legs to stand on. When I got my first real motorcycle my cm185 TwinStar I put 36,000 miles on that bike in one year. When I got my Honda CX500 I put $59,000 on it the first year. My Sportster is that I have had for 24 years has 400,000 miles on her just day trips in the State of Florida because I do not drive at night any longer between the wild pigs the drunks and the textures I just don't find it worthwhile. I hit a wild pig with my 600 BMW, in the daytime no less, my riding buddies a chaplain from my post why surprised I did not drop the bike. I am also a self-taught pilot. On a new BMW if the ABS goes bad it is a $2,400 repair show people simply bypass it and go back to regular breaking. I think I have made my point.