KOBE is more skilled, more clutch, a better Free throw shooter and mid-range shooter. Kobe is also 12x all defense gtfoh. Once Kobe died ppl started under rating him.
Who is the new guy? Get him back on the show. Net positive. Also Ox be carrying with his translations. He's like the bridge that makes conversations easier to digest between the Panelist
They literally 4-1 without steph. Too me asking for lavine would be going in the opposite direction. Wiggins the reason the 5th seed they needed him yesterday woulda been a dub
@@BlkStar99 yea but like a cam Johnson or claxton can help. This notion were u need superstars like look at book and beal they 1-9 without KD lol😭 . Personally I think steph is declining
Dirk better than Kobe and Kobe better than Steph and Steph beat bron 3 times and Dirk beat Bron once so by all things considered, it seems like Dirk the Goat, and SGA right after that.
@@betweendalinesnbapodcast3733 they know damn well he was too. i was like the only person saying jokic was in them talks on this platform. the world all had giannis
@MarzTalksSports oh we KNOW why swipa was against it 😂 but yea its was him even tho jokic was right there. Kinda like it is now Jokic is definitive right now but for me i can hear some having it a 1a 1b thing with giannis but the answer will always be jokic
I remember the show after JT got 51 and the whole hour was about Embiid. Marz only added at the end a "yeah, but shout out to Jayson Tatum." LMAO. Great insight and he SEETHED internally. Nobody talked about an all time performance, still a game 7 record. It's all abundantly clear.
Revisionist history is crazy imo This is the first year to me were Jokic has been DEFINITIVELY without debates consensually the best player in the world since 2021 it was 2021 Jokic Embiid Giannis KD Steph 2022 Jokic Embiid Giannis 2023 Jokic Embiid 2024 Jokic Embiid Giannis Luka Even this year 24-25 people still debating
Why was Kobe the best definitively in 06-08 when he didn't do anything in the playoffs in 06 and 07. In 08 I think he was probably the best but Bron was on that rise too.
swipa just be saying stuff most people had giannis bitw 21 and 22 facts and to say giannis fell of because of mvp rankings is hilarious he got disqulified in 2021 to win the mvp because he hadn't won a title and didn't swipa agree with marz just like a few days ago in saying giannis and jokic have played clearly better than anyone this year.... also drkk better than kobe in 06-07 lmaoooooo
Should Garnett have been mentioned more in the best in the world from 2006-2008 conversation you had? Excerpt from Back Picks top 40: “When Garnett arrived in Boston, his pinpoint rotations and blanket court-coverage spearheaded the second-best relative defense since 1970, 8.6 points better than league average. Boston was strong offensively as well, posting a +3.7 rORtg when healthy. In his first two Celtic seasons, Garnett missed 39 games in which the other starters played, and without him, Boston performed like a 51-win team (3.4 SRS). But with him, they played at a 65-win pace (9.0 SRS), a degree of lift rarely matched in NBA history”
I think KG was undoubtably a t5 player from 2003-08 and even had years where he couldve been #1 2003-05 in particular. from 06-08 he wasnt kobe. He may be the second best player,but thats a dirk,nash,bron,wade,duncan group which im fine to discuss. but he wasnt bean
This is not a rebuttal to anything cause I agreed with everything Marz & Ron said in the definitive best player convo. I remember Marz bringing up what he had heard in a broadcast from the 90s one time (I think it was about MJ being the goat in 91) - in the Wizards Nuggets game last week I heard the announcer say Jokic is a solidified top 5 center already. Right or wrong I know for a fact that’s not what the consensus is yet. But there’s someone years from now who’s gonna hear that and say “people were calling Jokic a top 5 center all time in 2024” thinking it was a large minority, which we know it’s not at this point.
To answer bro question about “what’s wrong with Trae?” He’s literally listed on the injury report every day for achilles soreness which could attribute to him being so hesitant to shoot and pick up his dribble way earlier. I’ve watched him his whole career, he’s never looked this hesitant to score before.
I'm with Swipa/Marz. I don't know what's with this anti-Zach Levine narrative, but Ron, you are wild. Zach will help the Warriors a lot because he will take pressure off Steph a lot. Plus, if they also get Jimmy, that will help as well. Ron, you are smarter than this.
Chicago also limits his stats because their starting lineup has 3 other ball handlers and Vucevic. You gotta watch the games to see that he's still really good. Stats don't do him justice.
From 05-08 im not gunna say Kobe was better than Dirk and I’m not gunna say Dirk was better than Kobe but I will say that WE WERE HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS!!!
@MarzTalksSports That was a conversation made by a clown and forced by Ron being an opportunist. Views on clips is the only reason that happened. We were talking about Dirk, Kobe, Tim, Wade, Bron, KG, Nash, T Mac and Melo before going viral was a thing. We didn’t do stuff for clicks when I was young.
Also, this is why you can't have MVP and data talks when describing the best player in the world, because you will contradict yourself. You have to use your eyes to tell you who is best at basketball.
The Kobe disrespect on this show is getting disgusting. To say he was never the best player in the world is just hate. Chill can take his glasses off and rub his forehead as many times as he wants. Kobe haunts that man.
Jesus christ what i said was being short in todays NBA does not help. i then used the example i used. i said fvv is bad on defense cos A)he gets mismatch hunted and cooked constantly. B) i seen him as a veteran and a champion actively take plays off (even in the clutch) and give up layups/dunks C) Hes too small to impact many plays on the court so doesnt offer much resistance in a bunch of situations. Being short does not mean you are bad at defense (i never said it did) being short puts u at a disadvantage defensively in the modern NBA. and ofcourse ive never played basketball. but even if i did that wouldnt change my opinion,especially since i wouldnt be in the NBA,and my opinion is on the NBA
@@hellcatsaymeow2095 i just dont get how people dont listen,i try my best to make my point as easy as possible to not misinterpret yet it still happens
As a Dallas resident and someone who's seen Dirk's career up close, he was not better than Kobe Bryant 😂. 06-08 is literally peak Kobe Bryant. There's no WAY y'all really saying DK41 was better than Kobe at his best. I love Dirk, he's my favorite power forward. But y'all tripping 💀
I understand paying the bills, cool. Swipa gon get mad But he getting off lowkey. He's only here for like an hour most episodes and 40 minutes of it is him on his phone during Prize Picks. That segment is extremely unorganized and far too long. Ron has to tighten that up man.
I Love Nowitzki!…The 1st NBA Jersey I EVER Bought was his!…but Claiming he’s Even Close to Kobe is Blasphemy!…Kobe is Comfortably Top 10, Nowitzki is Arguably Top 20!…Also Duncan, Garnet, K. Malone, ALL Clear Nowitzki on the PF ALL-Time List & Kobe Clears ALL of them!…The ONLY Conversation Nowitzki can get in with Kobe is Pure Shooting & Yes I’ll Take the German!…but Outside of Shooting, they’re Not Comparable!…Swipa is just Over Concerned with Advanced Stats, Efficiency & Obviously the Joker & LeBrick Agenda!…He’s Bias as Hell!…Kobe was the Best in the World from 2002-2010!…In 11’ it was 1a 1b in Favour of LeBrick!…Yes Garnet had the Best Year in 2004, but Kobe was Still the Better Player!…And this is without Even Bringing Up the Huge Defensive Gap!…GTFOH!…Cut the Shit!…Kobe G.O.A.T. Conversations > Dirk ALL-Time Great!…
Swipa might have a deep hatred for skillful players(Kobe and kyrie).😂 kyrie 2023 season: 27/5/5 on 49/38/90 splits. Murray 2023 season: 20/4/6 on 45/40/83 splits. Kyrie Per 100 possession playoff 2016 stats: 36/4/7 on 47/44/87 splits Jamal per 100 possessions playoff 2023 stats: 33/7/9 on 47/39/92 splits. There’s no version of Jamal Murray that’s better than kyrie between 2017-2025 season. Even the younger years of kyrie are debatable, its not close🤣🤦♂️.
From ‘06 to 11, Kobe was the best player in the world. In ‘09 & 10, there was a debate between him and Lebron LeBron officially became the best player in 2012.
What does swipa mean by narrative? He always said it and I thought I know what it means until he uses it cuz isn’t a lot of what he does for Jokic narrative based? He just makes it seem like it’s all based on analytics and numbers and impact stats or whatever. In whatever case tho narrative plays apart in all of it even Jokic’s mvps. And whenever someone is the bitw it has to be a narrative
That Prize pick segment is too long. Damn. Also… mars stop being a Jokic hater. You spent 2 years trying to convince everyone how good he is now you get moody when it comes to giving him credit, talking about “he had plenty help” tf are you talking about 🤡
What i said was. If someone (swipa) believes jamal murray>kyrie and devin booker. i dont wanna hear that same person say jokic has never played with talent. I think jokic hasnt played with elite talent but thats cos im not the person who said murray>dbook,kyrie
Yesterday was another example of why people are losing interest in the game. That should have been a no call. Don’t decide the fxxking game with your whistle. Let them fight for it.
BITW conversation was a great segment. I don’t think Giannis stretch of being bitw was long enough for me to add him to the list, I don’t think he was definitively in 21, maybe I can give him 22 and then after that it’s just jokic. And Kobe was definitive in 06-08 imo. To answer the question tho yes you can never be definitive bitw and still be top 10 all time. It’s not Steph kd fault they peaked with at worst a top 2 player ever, same w Hakeem
this another concept i been pushing for yrs (for my sga>luka / pro-dwhite agenda) : yall said it! pgs are usually the worst defenders bc of their size. if thats true then big 2-way pgs that can guard up are that much more valuable. follow me: its the same reason why centers that can protect the rim and stretch the floors are so valuable - 1. defenses are most vulnerable to shots at the rim so its a big deal if a center can deter those shots and simultaneously limit the other teams rim protector by pulling them away from the rim n 2. that archetype is super rare which pushes their value up well yall just got finished saying that the pg position is another one of the biggest inherent liabilities for defenses. big guards plug up that hole defensively and their size gives them an ability to punish their matchup even if they arent that skilled - dyson daniels marcus smart etc. its hard to overstate how valuable that is thats why sgas two way value is worth more than the edge luka has on him playmaking. its a big reason why dwhite deserves to be in discussions w maxey n garland etc..
Kobe, Dirk, KG, Bron, and Nash all had legitimate cases for being the Best in the World (BITW) between 2006-2008-especially Dirk. People act like Kobe was some unstoppable force by combining his early-2000s defense with his 2008 offense, but the truth is, his defense took a noticeable dip after 2001. Obligatory Marz doesn’t know basketball
@MarzTalksSports that’s so cap chilltown was the first to mention that 😂😂😂😂😂 can’t wait to hear you fail to defend Kobe tomorrow cause your only argument is aura so far
@@nykareem2001 lmao i was talkin ab reputation defense and 'undeserved all defense' and super players from my arrival on this platform. on the OG players choice. maybe u didnt watch it i dont know,but anyone who did knows
The disrespect.. the audacity.. to say KOBE WASNT THE DEFINITIVELY BEST PLAYER FROM 06-11 EASILY.. it’s crazy how they tryna wipe out my boy legacy.. Lebron himself said Kobe was better in 09 and 10… SWIPA, CHILL, RIV, AND MOST DEFINITELY OX ARE CERTIFIED KOBE HATERS
The Kobe Bryant phenomena is unlike anything I’ve ever witnessed, any understanding of basketball and analytics completely go out the window for the guy. The fame of Kobe is unparalleled but the rewriting of history is insane at the time this was all going down was Kobe ever considered the leagues best by any substantial margin or has that become a thing in recent times where “well LeBron hadn’t fully arrived yet and no one else is important enough to the history of the nba to put in the spot so it must be Kobe” insane! Makes me lose my mind when outside aesthetics even the exclusively eye test crowd must be watching with rose tinted glasses because I don’t see it. Just eye test wise I can see James Duncan joker Giannis curry kg Shaq at the level but analytics nor my eye test suggest he was on a completely different level to Wade or Dirk, while he can be said better to suggest such comparisons were crazy before Kobe won without Shaq isn’t true. Insanity Everytime Kobe is the subject of the topic. Winning biased at its best
Every time I click on the video and see the comments, people mentioning Kobe, I watch and understand why this revisionist history of Kobe's career is hilariously ridiculous. Marz said 2006-2008 Kobe was definitively the best, and though I believe it's more years, I'll stick to those. There was no better player than Kobe, even as a kid. Back then, in barbershops, watching sports channels and reading articles, everyone said Kobe was the best-even other players. As a basketball player, Dirk is not better than Kobe; that's laughable.
Swipa spitting too, Kobe don’t even have an ATG playoff (definitely not finals) run ever, if you do the knowledge you would see the facts and could name 15-20 runs easily better. Marz probably knows this as well.
@@11WINTERS90-91 92-93 Mike, 12-13 Bron 15-16, 16-17 KD, 18-19 Kawhi, 00-01 01-02 Shaq, 02-03 Timmy, 94-95 Akeem, Dirk 10-11, Wilt 1968, Zeke Thomas 89-90, Rookie Magic and 1987, Bird 83-84 and 85-86, 21-22 Steph, 82-83 Moses, Jokic 22-23, Giannis 20-21, I’ve watched most of these series in totality besides Moses but I forgot Kareem, Jerry West etc, it’s facts Kobe doesn’t have a top 20 playoff performance ever if you really get into it, Mike Bron Shaq Bill Magic Bird have more than 1 each. Kobe is OVERRATED
@@tayluc777 i don’t really care about finals runs I care about the whole playoffs as a totality and what you’ve done. When it comes to that Kobe has to many great playoffs runs for me to count..
Marz admitting he's soaking wet for Embiid and Harden manggggg, I knew those were his two main dudes --- now the Tatum stuff makes sense. Game 6 and then the 51 in Game 7 must have been like being waterboarded haha!
Kobe has to be the most polarizing player ever😂, people are either really high on him and think he’s probably better than lebron or really low on him and think he’s not top 10 and not top 10 in the last 25 years😂, saying the last 2 things are more insane though.
Chill says when was Steph the best player in the league but the other 8 apart from Jordan weren’t gonna be the best player in the league with prime LeBron and that was steph’s best years
8:58 MARS OFFICIALLY should get no credit for being a Houston fan and is officially off the bandwagon after that comment. He already signed their obituary. So if they beat okc, I don’t want to hear any of y’all saying, good job mars, you knew to support the rockets. Cuz nah, he said they gonna lose.
I had us losing to golden state too. being a fan doesnt mean thinking ur teams gonna win every game. being a fan means wanting ur team to be successful. ill happily take not being a houston fan,i just watch every game
I have been a Trae defender for a while but his inefficiency and his inability to generate easy shots for him is becoming harder to ignore. Like people like Dame, Ja, and Kyrie generate better shots for themselves.
Next levels of kobe hate to say dirk nowtizki was better than him at basketball. Lets be so serious
Wait that was said today????? I can’t wait to watch this
KOBE is more skilled, more clutch, a better Free throw shooter and mid-range shooter. Kobe is also 12x all defense gtfoh. Once Kobe died ppl started under rating him.
We can all agree Kobe’s a better defender than Dirk but Dirk is a better offensive player
@@ffyhvftg-dc1rwI don’t think Dirk is better than Kobe but I think ppl have overrated him after his death honestly respectfully
Kobe doesn’t have a top 20 peak in nba history
Who is the new guy? Get him back on the show. Net positive. Also Ox be carrying with his translations. He's like the bridge that makes conversations easier to digest between the Panelist
@@Popskillz happy to know I can bring value 💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿
His name is river brown. He has his own show called pick a side podcast he does with his homies.
shoutout pick a side
The Kobe hate on players choice is disgusting there’s no way Dirk was better than Kobe that year especially after what happened in playoffs
Time stamp?
Dirk ran into a bad playoff matchup against Golden State just like Kobe ran into a bad match up in 2004 2008 2010 and 2011
@@Ebonyinvasionpart2 you just said a bunch of nonsense
my heart cries a little every time I hear these Kobe haters start speaking on his legacy
And Kobe was widely considered the best player in the world until about 2012
Kobe clears Dirk. The Kobe disrespect is getting out of control
the dudes who play the game with the most passion always get hated on here.
they're fans of wuss puss softie type of players.
@@elizajane91lets respect dirk,he wasnt soft.
How is it disrespect? Dirk is one of the coldest offensive players ever and arguably the best mid range scorer of all time
@@Ebonyinvasionpart2Facts bro Dirk could've won eith Prime Shaq carrying
What's the timestamp when they started the kobe dirk talk
Ron talking about the Warriors having a good offense. This man doesn’t watch my team fr.
They literally 4-1 without steph. Too me asking for lavine would be going in the opposite direction. Wiggins the reason the 5th seed they needed him yesterday woulda been a dub
@ We aren’t doing anything in the postseason with this roster whether Wiggins is there or not.
@@BlkStar99 yea but like a cam Johnson or claxton can help. This notion were u need superstars like look at book and beal they 1-9 without KD lol😭 . Personally I think steph is declining
The Warriors are Has Beens
Rons a casual idk why y’all take anything he says serious
Dirk better than Kobe and Kobe better than Steph and Steph beat bron 3 times and Dirk beat Bron once so by all things considered, it seems like Dirk the Goat, and SGA right after that.
W transitive property
What's the timestamp when they started the kobe dirk talk
😂😂😂
Giannis was comfortably the best player in the 21 and 22 year. Shit not even an argument. It was definitive.
@@betweendalinesnbapodcast3733 they know damn well he was too. i was like the only person saying jokic was in them talks on this platform. the world all had giannis
Give me 2021 Kd over Giannis
@MarzTalksSports oh we KNOW why swipa was against it 😂 but yea its was him even tho jokic was right there. Kinda like it is now Jokic is definitive right now but for me i can hear some having it a 1a 1b thing with giannis but the answer will always be jokic
Hurt to say as a giannis fan 😔
@@MOE__ no bap
I remember the show after JT got 51 and the whole hour was about Embiid. Marz only added at the end a "yeah, but shout out to Jayson Tatum." LMAO. Great insight and he SEETHED internally. Nobody talked about an all time performance, still a game 7 record. It's all abundantly clear.
shoutout to jayson tatum
Revisionist history is crazy imo This is the first year to me were Jokic has been DEFINITIVELY without debates consensually the best player in the world since 2021 it was
2021 Jokic Embiid Giannis KD Steph
2022 Jokic Embiid Giannis
2023 Jokic Embiid
2024 Jokic Embiid Giannis Luka
Even this year 24-25 people still debating
Giannis was definitely the best player in the world in 21-22 and 22-23
So 07 Dirk better than 07 Kobe? damn I guess defense and playoff performance doesn’t matter
Defense? Like Kobe wasn't a better scorer and playmaker too.
@@RMusing I agree he was no doubt but the gap in defense and the playoffs was canyon size
@@zuridurham3727Kobe quit
@@RMusingWhat's the timestamp when they started the kobe dirk talk
@@malikwilson7387 he didn’t quit in 07 and if we talking about 06 Kobe wasn’t the reason they lost that series
yall hate kobe dawg, the audacity to say kobe wasnt the best in 06-08 is insane and then you guys have such insane gaps in logic to excuse these takes
Why was Kobe the best definitively in 06-08 when he didn't do anything in the playoffs in 06 and 07. In 08 I think he was probably the best but Bron was on that rise too.
Dirk has an argument as the best player in 08
@@donaldf9055cos u can watch him play and see he better than everyone on the planet at basketball
@@donaldf9055he only has one year definitively 2008 imo, people act like you hate him when you point out facts
@@tayluc777 players like Bron and Jordan and Kobe are soo overrated, compare em with anyone is NBA history and you hating smh.
Kobe > Dirk the hate is crazy
The bias is crazy
swipa just be saying stuff most people had giannis bitw 21 and 22 facts and to say giannis fell of because of mvp rankings is hilarious he got disqulified in 2021 to win the mvp because he hadn't won a title and didn't swipa agree with marz just like a few days ago in saying giannis and jokic have played clearly better than anyone this year.... also drkk better than kobe in 06-07 lmaoooooo
anything to say jokic is one of 10 players to be definitive. so he has to remove 2 obvious ones for the agenda
@MarzTalksSportsit’s so obvious he is trying to prop jokic up , but it’s getting jarring
And the stats prove giannis was better than joker in the regular season In those years
This is what happens when you follow the mvp logic. You start saying Dirk was better than peak Kobe. L Swipa
Should Garnett have been mentioned more in the best in the world from 2006-2008 conversation you had?
Excerpt from Back Picks top 40:
“When Garnett arrived in Boston, his pinpoint rotations and blanket court-coverage spearheaded the second-best relative defense since 1970, 8.6 points better than league average. Boston was strong offensively as well, posting a +3.7 rORtg when healthy. In his first two Celtic seasons, Garnett missed 39 games in which the other starters played, and without him, Boston performed like a 51-win team (3.4 SRS). But with him, they played at a 65-win pace (9.0 SRS), a degree of lift rarely matched in NBA history”
I think KG was undoubtably a t5 player from 2003-08 and even had years where he couldve been #1 2003-05 in particular. from 06-08 he wasnt kobe. He may be the second best player,but thats a dirk,nash,bron,wade,duncan group which im fine to discuss. but he wasnt bean
@ how good is that Kobe in your opinion? Compared to KGs Peak in 04 or Duncan’s peak In 02/03?
@@hjalmarskytnielsen9383 really good
This is not a rebuttal to anything cause I agreed with everything Marz & Ron said in the definitive best player convo.
I remember Marz bringing up what he had heard in a broadcast from the 90s one time (I think it was about MJ being the goat in 91) - in the Wizards Nuggets game last week I heard the announcer say Jokic is a solidified top 5 center already. Right or wrong I know for a fact that’s not what the consensus is yet. But there’s someone years from now who’s gonna hear that and say “people were calling Jokic a top 5 center all time in 2024” thinking it was a large minority, which we know it’s not at this point.
similar to bill walton saying nash was the best player itw in 2005 on broadcast. Rip big red
@MarzTalksSports oh yeah that’s what it was
To answer bro question about “what’s wrong with Trae?” He’s literally listed on the injury report every day for achilles soreness which could attribute to him being so hesitant to shoot and pick up his dribble way earlier. I’ve watched him his whole career, he’s never looked this hesitant to score before.
I'm with Swipa/Marz. I don't know what's with this anti-Zach Levine narrative, but Ron, you are wild. Zach will help the Warriors a lot because he will take pressure off Steph a lot. Plus, if they also get Jimmy, that will help as well. Ron, you are smarter than this.
Chicago also limits his stats because their starting lineup has 3 other ball handlers and Vucevic.
You gotta watch the games to see that he's still really good. Stats don't do him justice.
@farhansarkar2394
You don't gotta convince me ik how good Zach is
From 05-08 im not gunna say Kobe was better than Dirk and I’m not gunna say Dirk was better than Kobe but I will say that WE WERE HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS!!!
we had a shai vs peak steph conversation yesterday
@@BIGOXMedia you don’t know basketball we not having this conversation
@@l3gendarysage293 These conversations already been had, back when you was a snot nose crumb crusher crying cause there was crust on your sandwiches.
@MarzTalksSports That was a conversation made by a clown and forced by Ron being an opportunist. Views on clips is the only reason that happened. We were talking about Dirk, Kobe, Tim, Wade, Bron, KG, Nash, T Mac and Melo before going viral was a thing. We didn’t do stuff for clicks when I was young.
Kobe only has one or two years that eclipse Chris Paul’s best year
Also, this is why you can't have MVP and data talks when describing the best player in the world, because you will contradict yourself. You have to use your eyes to tell you who is best at basketball.
I guess PC doesn't like ELITE DEFENSE
they don't. they like soft little boys and 3 pointers.
If you’re implying Kobe has elite defense you have a lot to learn
@@Ebonyinvasionpart2delete your comment
@@Ebonyinvasionpart2What's the timestamp when they started the kobe dirk talk
@@ogheneovoojugo53432:38:00 is where it all goes downhill
I have to get on this show at least one time because the takes I hear is unbelievable on this shit. Appreciate Marz for providing some logic man
Wtf is Swipa talking about?
Trae Young has more help on his team offensively so his scoring went down, but he’s also averaging a career high in assists per game.
one of the funniest episodes in a minute. this mf Bob said, "I keep chicken in my pocket, literally"😂😂😂😂
@@theofficialonce 🍗🍗🍗
L Swipa quit hating on the rockets
Check the standings
The Kobe disrespect on this show is getting disgusting. To say he was never the best player in the world is just hate. Chill can take his glasses off and rub his forehead as many times as he wants. Kobe haunts that man.
It was talks about him being best player Dirk but nobody took it seriously. I remember it being Kobe unanimously but I could be wrong
That wasn't a cheat that Houston won. Why is Steph taking a 3 pt shot up 1 with 11 seconds left?
It still should have been a foul tho especially with the contact
I can tell Marx never played Basketball. The fact he is saying because someone is short they are bad at defense.
Duh
Jesus christ what i said was being short in todays NBA does not help. i then used the example i used. i said fvv is bad on defense cos A)he gets mismatch hunted and cooked constantly. B) i seen him as a veteran and a champion actively take plays off (even in the clutch) and give up layups/dunks C) Hes too small to impact many plays on the court so doesnt offer much resistance in a bunch of situations. Being short does not mean you are bad at defense (i never said it did) being short puts u at a disadvantage defensively in the modern NBA. and ofcourse ive never played basketball. but even if i did that wouldnt change my opinion,especially since i wouldnt be in the NBA,and my opinion is on the NBA
@MarzTalksSportsthey tryna give out participation points
@@hellcatsaymeow2095 i just dont get how people dont listen,i try my best to make my point as easy as possible to not misinterpret yet it still happens
@MarzTalksSports You’re just outnumbered by the old heads man
No timestamps?
This is the one episode I've seen where i feel like y'all had point.
As a Dallas resident and someone who's seen Dirk's career up close, he was not better than Kobe Bryant 😂. 06-08 is literally peak Kobe Bryant. There's no WAY y'all really saying DK41 was better than Kobe at his best. I love Dirk, he's my favorite power forward. But y'all tripping 💀
Who’s better at pump faking? Bpodz or Kobe?
Trae is also dealing with a Achilles as well
I understand paying the bills, cool. Swipa gon get mad But he getting off lowkey. He's only here for like an hour most episodes and 40 minutes of it is him on his phone during Prize Picks. That segment is extremely unorganized and far too long. Ron has to tighten that up man.
I Love Nowitzki!…The 1st NBA Jersey I EVER Bought was his!…but Claiming he’s Even Close to Kobe is Blasphemy!…Kobe is Comfortably Top 10, Nowitzki is Arguably Top 20!…Also Duncan, Garnet, K. Malone, ALL Clear Nowitzki on the PF ALL-Time List & Kobe Clears ALL of them!…The ONLY Conversation Nowitzki can get in with Kobe is Pure Shooting & Yes I’ll Take the German!…but Outside of Shooting, they’re Not Comparable!…Swipa is just Over Concerned with Advanced Stats, Efficiency & Obviously the Joker & LeBrick Agenda!…He’s Bias as Hell!…Kobe was the Best in the World from 2002-2010!…In 11’ it was 1a 1b in Favour of LeBrick!…Yes Garnet had the Best Year in 2004, but Kobe was Still the Better Player!…And this is without Even Bringing Up the Huge Defensive Gap!…GTFOH!…Cut the Shit!…Kobe G.O.A.T. Conversations > Dirk ALL-Time Great!…
Trae young and jalen johnson top 10 duo in the league??
This was a great episode lol
Swipa might have a deep hatred for skillful players(Kobe and kyrie).😂 kyrie 2023 season: 27/5/5 on 49/38/90 splits. Murray 2023 season: 20/4/6 on 45/40/83 splits.
Kyrie Per 100 possession playoff 2016 stats: 36/4/7 on 47/44/87 splits
Jamal per 100 possessions playoff 2023 stats: 33/7/9 on 47/39/92 splits. There’s no version of Jamal Murray that’s better than kyrie between 2017-2025 season. Even the younger years of kyrie are debatable, its not close🤣🤦♂️.
I hate the kyrie hate a rookie Kai would flush Jamal Murray
21 kd and 21 kawhi > 21 giannis
Ydkb 👎🏾
Idk if I agree but I don’t hate it. Can have a convo about curry too in ‘21. There’s no unanimous bitw in 2021 imo
21 Giannis only won because of injuries on other teams
Thats what i said
From ‘06 to 11, Kobe was the best player in the world.
In ‘09 & 10, there was a debate between him and Lebron
LeBron officially became the best player in 2012.
W show W harden and W Kobe
What does swipa mean by narrative? He always said it and I thought I know what it means until he uses it cuz isn’t a lot of what he does for Jokic narrative based? He just makes it seem like it’s all based on analytics and numbers and impact stats or whatever. In whatever case tho narrative plays apart in all of it even Jokic’s mvps. And whenever someone is the bitw it has to be a narrative
That Prize pick segment is too long. Damn. Also… mars stop being a Jokic hater. You spent 2 years trying to convince everyone how good he is now you get moody when it comes to giving him credit, talking about “he had plenty help” tf are you talking about 🤡
HE IS TROLLING
What i said was. If someone (swipa) believes jamal murray>kyrie and devin booker. i dont wanna hear that same person say jokic has never played with talent. I think jokic hasnt played with elite talent but thats cos im not the person who said murray>dbook,kyrie
@ naww I don’t buy it.
@MarzTalksSports does he believe that Currently though. It doesn’t matter how good Murray Was in 2023 for how much Help Jokic has now.
@@hjalmarskytnielsen9383hes saying in jokic CAREER he hasnt had talent. i be on twitter i be seeing it
Yesterday was another example of why people are losing interest in the game. That should have been a no call. Don’t decide the fxxking game with your whistle. Let them fight for it.
In my personal opinion, Bron wasn't definitive until 2011. Kobe in my opinion was the best player in 06-10
I didn't see anyone mention the fact that curry took that 3 with 9 seconds left on shotclock, that was such a stupid move.
Blind ranking most likely best episode this week
Curry was definitely the best player in the world from 1st game of the 2014-15 RS to the 2016 Game 7 WCF
L Swipa for the Dirk Kobe Take
BITW conversation was a great segment. I don’t think Giannis stretch of being bitw was long enough for me to add him to the list, I don’t think he was definitively in 21, maybe I can give him 22 and then after that it’s just jokic. And Kobe was definitive in 06-08 imo. To answer the question tho yes you can never be definitive bitw and still be top 10 all time. It’s not Steph kd fault they peaked with at worst a top 2 player ever, same w Hakeem
ron loves talking bs😂
Joel Embroke is an impressive 3-12 versus Tatum in the playoffs and been KO'd thrice by JT. Jesus that must burn Marz.
its not me playing i think ill be alright with that fact
I don’t even like ticket but we need him back this Kobe hate getting out of control, ik he wouldn’t allow this to go on
this another concept i been pushing for yrs (for my sga>luka / pro-dwhite agenda) :
yall said it! pgs are usually the worst defenders bc of their size. if thats true then big 2-way pgs that can guard up are that much more valuable. follow me:
its the same reason why centers that can protect the rim and stretch the floors are so valuable - 1. defenses are most vulnerable to shots at the rim so its a big deal if a center can deter those shots and simultaneously limit the other teams rim protector by pulling them away from the rim n 2. that archetype is super rare which pushes their value up
well yall just got finished saying that the pg position is another one of the biggest inherent liabilities for defenses. big guards plug up that hole defensively and their size gives them an ability to punish their matchup even if they arent that skilled - dyson daniels marcus smart etc. its hard to overstate how valuable that is
thats why sgas two way value is worth more than the edge luka has on him playmaking. its a big reason why dwhite deserves to be in discussions w maxey n garland etc..
W pro dwhite agenda
Kobe, Dirk, KG, Bron, and Nash all had legitimate cases for being the Best in the World (BITW) between 2006-2008-especially Dirk. People act like Kobe was some unstoppable force by combining his early-2000s defense with his 2008 offense, but the truth is, his defense took a noticeable dip after 2001.
Obligatory Marz doesn’t know basketball
i was the first person on this platform to say that ab kobes defense. so u saying it now then saying i dont know basketball is funny
@MarzTalksSports that’s so cap chilltown was the first to mention that 😂😂😂😂😂 can’t wait to hear you fail to defend Kobe tomorrow cause your only argument is aura so far
@@nykareem2001 lmao i was talkin ab reputation defense and 'undeserved all defense' and super players from my arrival on this platform. on the OG players choice. maybe u didnt watch it i dont know,but anyone who did knows
The disrespect.. the audacity.. to say KOBE WASNT THE DEFINITIVELY BEST PLAYER FROM 06-11 EASILY.. it’s crazy how they tryna wipe out my boy legacy.. Lebron himself said Kobe was better in 09 and 10… SWIPA, CHILL, RIV, AND MOST DEFINITELY OX ARE CERTIFIED KOBE HATERS
riv*
@ good look lol ima change that
This the hating podcast lol
07 Dirk or 07 Lebron who y’all got?
Dirk
Dirk easily
Dirk easy
Dirk, Bron my favorite player though
The Kobe Bryant phenomena is unlike anything I’ve ever witnessed, any understanding of basketball and analytics completely go out the window for the guy. The fame of Kobe is unparalleled but the rewriting of history is insane at the time this was all going down was Kobe ever considered the leagues best by any substantial margin or has that become a thing in recent times where “well LeBron hadn’t fully arrived yet and no one else is important enough to the history of the nba to put in the spot so it must be Kobe” insane!
Makes me lose my mind when outside aesthetics even the exclusively eye test crowd must be watching with rose tinted glasses because I don’t see it. Just eye test wise I can see James Duncan joker Giannis curry kg Shaq at the level but analytics nor my eye test suggest he was on a completely different level to Wade or Dirk, while he can be said better to suggest such comparisons were crazy before Kobe won without Shaq isn’t true. Insanity Everytime Kobe is the subject of the topic. Winning biased at its best
Every time I click on the video and see the comments, people mentioning Kobe, I watch and understand why this revisionist history of Kobe's career is hilariously ridiculous. Marz said 2006-2008 Kobe was definitively the best, and though I believe it's more years, I'll stick to those. There was no better player than Kobe, even as a kid. Back then, in barbershops, watching sports channels and reading articles, everyone said Kobe was the best-even other players. As a basketball player, Dirk is not better than Kobe; that's laughable.
I truly don’t get the kawhi convos
His knee is cooked and y’all talking about 100% 😂😂😂
Healthy kawhi is a legend, like big foot or loch Ness monster. We're all pretty sure it exist but not sure
healthy kawhi plays at 100% effectiveness,just not for very long
Swipa spitting too, Kobe don’t even have an ATG playoff (definitely not finals) run ever, if you do the knowledge you would see the facts and could name 15-20 runs easily better. Marz probably knows this as well.
Did you watch these games or you going based off stats?
@@11WINTERS90-91 92-93 Mike, 12-13 Bron 15-16, 16-17 KD, 18-19 Kawhi, 00-01 01-02 Shaq, 02-03 Timmy, 94-95 Akeem, Dirk 10-11, Wilt 1968, Zeke Thomas 89-90, Rookie Magic and 1987, Bird 83-84 and 85-86, 21-22 Steph, 82-83 Moses, Jokic 22-23, Giannis 20-21, I’ve watched most of these series in totality besides Moses but I forgot Kareem, Jerry West etc, it’s facts Kobe doesn’t have a top 20 playoff performance ever if you really get into it, Mike Bron Shaq Bill Magic Bird have more than 1 each. Kobe is OVERRATED
05-06 Wade too for the totality of the Offs played better than any version of Kobe
@@tayluc777 are you talking about finals run or playoff run?
@@tayluc777 i don’t really care about finals runs I care about the whole playoffs as a totality and what you’ve done. When it comes to that Kobe has to many great playoffs runs for me to count..
Marz admitting he's soaking wet for Embiid and Harden manggggg, I knew those were his two main dudes --- now the Tatum stuff makes sense. Game 6 and then the 51 in Game 7 must have been like being waterboarded haha!
I thought it was obvious
Y’all need to stop crying about the Warriors. They lost. Don’t let it go down to the last second and you won’t be crying!
That's not how basketball works but okay
Traes achilles aint 100% rn so his scoring isnt like it used to be
Kobe has to be the most polarizing player ever😂, people are either really high on him and think he’s probably better than lebron or really low on him and think he’s not top 10 and not top 10 in the last 25 years😂, saying the last 2 things are more insane though.
Riv popped up out of nowhere
Chill says when was Steph the best player in the league but the other 8 apart from Jordan weren’t gonna be the best player in the league with prime LeBron and that was steph’s best years
8:58 MARS OFFICIALLY should get no credit for being a Houston fan and is officially off the bandwagon after that comment. He already signed their obituary. So if they beat okc, I don’t want to hear any of y’all saying, good job mars, you knew to support the rockets. Cuz nah, he said they gonna lose.
I had us losing to golden state too. being a fan doesnt mean thinking ur teams gonna win every game. being a fan means wanting ur team to be successful. ill happily take not being a houston fan,i just watch every game
the warriors need lebron or giannis those are the only options
Ox is nasty 😂😂😂
Crash out for Buddy Heild 😂… L Host
Swipe be C O O K I N G
Damn man Marz used to take up or at least believed in my dawg Trae, sad times man 🥴
i believe in trae i just dont think hes an efficient scorer. i just dont think its that detrimental that hes not
How good is Trae young to you price
I have been a Trae defender for a while but his inefficiency and his inability to generate easy shots for him is becoming harder to ignore. Like people like Dame, Ja, and Kyrie generate better shots for themselves.
W episode and W riv and pick a side
Ron gets beat broken bc Kobe was never the best player. It’s true!
Why swipa Even breathing
3:12:12 chill shut up brown had wade and then AD
Swipa was preaching, all hail the foreign Goat Dirk
Dallas fans love for dirk is admirable,and understandable
@MarzTalksSports exactly he’s our savior, without him we’d be the Clippers, talented ringless chokers pause
@MarzTalksSports He's one of those guys that nobody hates.
@ bron fans tend to not like him
in my experience,but yeah i got love for dirk,he was so tough
Kobe the most overrated basketball player ever!