@@hexagonpentagon2542funniest part is, canonically, Josue gets so angry when someone insults his hair, he loses all thoughts and just beats them up like in heavens door fight
@@Gimanha could have swore the reason he could do that is he enter stopped time just before Dio's ended so he still had some stopped time while dio didn't
Then everyone would die after notorious big fight at the farthest since he has no more hands since he can’t heal himself meaning he can only use his legs and he can’t even heal anyone else but he would problably stop at the fight where there’s the guy who can turn people into cubes and take away parts of them
Part 4 gang is screwed. Giorno can't trap Aqua Necklace, nor can he fuse him with a rock, so he's dead there, is so much weaker than RHCP that he probably gets instantly killed, along with him not having a way to restore Sheer Heart Attack, and since he would neither have the physical or ability advantage against KC he'd die again assuming he could get that far.
The definition of a “cooldown” means that you wait a certain amount of time for something to be used again, if time is not passing, then you can not “cooldown”
@@Ozrom3 Cooling down is the transition from intense physical activity to a more typical activity level. Depending on the intensity of the exercise, cooling down after a workout method, such as intense weightlifting, can involve a slow jog or walk. Cooling down allows the heart rate to return to its resting rate.
or its to to bring the body back to its normal physiological level after fast, vigorous exercise or activity by gradually slowing the pace of activity or by doing gentle exercises or stretches.
@@tattiebestdog okay so i didn’t use the actual definition of it, and I probably should have, but the point about time stop still stands, can’t just spam it
Thematically you could say that the story shows that Johnny couldn't overcome calamity, but he also stopped calamity from befalling his wife and child, so he at least partially overcame it. From that view, Johnny could defeat Tooru but he himself would die in the process.
@@ProjektTaku that doesn’t change the fact calamity still killed him. Johny still obeys the laws of causality and still got killed because calamity jumped to him. There’s no way for him to shoot calamity off of him
Hear me out what if Kira makes himself a bomb rusn towards anyone, tanks a punch through his chest, explodes killing the person and then josuke regenerates Kira.
And in saying that, what if josuke after Kira kills, let's say kars or dii, he then fuses Kira with either one of their bodies and now Kira might have vampiric abilities, I am incredibly head cannoning here.
I can't think of anyone here that would physically punch Kira as an opener besides maybe Karz. Even if it did work on somebody they'd never pull it off twice.
I'm not even going to lie, Part 4 Josuke and Kira might be the ultimate counter to Josuk8 and Tooru. Sheer Heart Attack might not count as intent towards Tooru, just his body heat, along with CD being able to instantly heal Kira unlike GE, meanwhile Josuke could easily undo Josuk8's explosive bubbles and potentially reverse any plunder.
The issue is pucci would need to be targeting giorno but after the first attempt (if he even did try to target giorno) hed probably figure out to just run away and kill them later
You glazed Whitesnake too hard. Pucci with Whitesnake couldn't handle injured Jolynes Stone Free Ora Ora's, now imagine Jotaro and DIO coming after him.
i think it can go either way between team 5, 7 and 8. I personally might go with team 7 because Tusk act 4 and d4c love train conceptually complement themselves perfectly
Giorno beats Tooru: 1. Make a pitbull and make it attack Tooru. 2. Wonder of U strikes the dog with calamity. 3. The blowback from hitting the pitbull kills Wonder of U.
Wonder of U would still live, but Tooru could die like this. Also, Giorno cannot control the enemies he spawns, he would need to get lucky for the pit bull to randomly attack
I don't think that'd work though for a couple reasons. Mainly, Tooru and WoU aren't actually calamity itself, in the series it's stated that the natural flow of calamity already exists, and Tooru's ability just passively manipulates that in his favor. From his point of view there is no "attack" he's just brokenly lucky with everyone else getting one-tapped somehow
I think that Sheer Heart Attack has the chance to get rid of Wonder of U because it’s going for heat specifically and not Toru. If Kira sends out Heart Attack then it’ll go for anyone, not specifically Toru. Ik in the vid you guys said that Toru might not be warm blooded being a rock human but if he is and some how Kira is still alive, I think that Heart Attack could go for Toru. Edit: Counter to my argument. Gappy plunders his heat.
At the same time, we have seen sheer heart attack when hit by a strange event will reflect back to Kira’s hand. And Kira the stand user deploys it with the intent to kill. Even if it’s inevitable target is toru, the karma + calamity is wiping him out
@@Gimanha no? Kaato temporarily overcame him by just not focusing on him. Tooru is still hurt by intentless things, its not a perfect force-field against all harm.
@@misterentityyt1704 that just means its connected to Kira, it never implies any sort of intent from Kira, as automatic stands are just that, automatic. Calamity and Karma can't affect something that doesn't have intent against Tooru. Tooru literally would get washed by SHA.
@@ProjektTaku false, Kira always deploys sheer heart attack with the intent to kill. Shear heart attack is still apart of killer queen. We see koichi literally crushes Kira’s hand, meaning odd and potential effects can still occur. Sheer heat attack can still trigger calamity as it itself is an attack. Meaning the second it peruses Toru, Kira would die. SHA does not wash toru as it is stated it is still apart of Kira and Kira openly admits he used it with the intent to kill Jotaro and koichi
the only "jobro" that has a chance against Weather Report would be Rohan making his teammates immune to becoming Snail and then losing because he can't do it to himself
@@matehiqu9905I think with enough distraction he can just nullify Weather report if he manages to write something like “Weather report has no effect on Okuyasu, Koichi and Rohan.”
@@Jsipki265 you are tripping if you think that way..... considering GER exist who doesn't have many feats aside from diavolo situation and created to many "what-if" theory regarding all of his match up againts any characters. But people still glazing that stand more than anything till this day
Honestly, I think you guys did pretty well, except for not taking in the lack of feats for part 7. They really have no feats and could probably get out sped before act 4 could do shit, since Johnny is consistently only bullet timer with feats. You have to use the association fallacy for Dio’s the world and Diego’s the world (which are NOT the same stand) to get SBR that high. Plus wonder of u is just straight up superior to d4c love train’s ability of redirecting misfortune, since Araki himself stated that calamity is the strongest ability in the series. Also, Fate is still active in time stop and there is no proof otherwise. The only abilities that are confirmed to be exempt from fate are rtz and time skip. Time skip also can not move people, as diavolo becomes completely intangible during skipped time. The reason the gang was so confused when Narancia (idk how to spell his name lol) got put on the bars was because they all forgot the memory. Diavolo was fated to attack him and impale him on the bars so it happened. Therefore he could not move someone in skipped time unless he was already fated to do so. The only one who would be exempt from fate would be Diavolo, but because of how part 5 scales to silver chariot, he can’t do shit in reality. GER should also be able to keep some people in check, but go beyond would smoke him as his bubbles don’t even exist so they can’t be reverted, and calamity isn’t an attack from tooru so it can’t be reverted either. Tooru by himself should solo everyone on this list and it’s really not close. Call me a wonder of u glazer if you want, but that’s just how I see it. I could be wrong tho since I’m not Araki and only he would truly know how this fight would go since he is the author of the series and I’m just some random person on the internet lol.
That’s every discussion with part 7/8 people even think part 3 does worse in Diego’s position versus Johnny. It gets exhausting cause Tusk act 4 isn’t a auto win.
@@Jsipki265 if it hits it’s an auto win, but in a series when characters are easily scaled above the speed of light (at least in parts 2-6) and bullet timer attack can’t really do shit. Does he have the high AP? Yes. Would he hit anyone? I’m not sure. Same thing with part 8 and go beyond. There’s no evidence that gappy can keep up with the likes of jotaro and I’ve always had a problem when meta’s saying that wonder of U has all the previous starts of previous stands. While I do still think wonder of u clears (since it’s literally stated to be the strongest ability by Araki), it’s physically stats are weak as hell. The main problem I had with this vid is that they completely ignored all the physical stats, which is extremely important in a video like this.
There's also no proof fate is active in time stop also fate being in time stop wouldn't matter time is stopped nothing but the users can move in that time it's literally shown how that works meaning no calamity since nothing is able to do anything after time is unstopped though? Sure
@@JHolmeje exactly. People love to say that Go Beyond clears so many fictional characters, but its never shown to have any speed feats? In fact its implied to be pretty slow, and Josuk8 has to actually make it as well.
All I am saying is...do you see that guy over there...HES KIRA, HES YOSIKAGE KIR- All I am saying is... do you see that guy over there... HES KIRA, HES YOSIKAGE KIR All I am saying is-
@@haralabospap7091 i wonder about that as well cause im pretty sure he cant interact with anyone during the ts, it might just be a case of Araki forgot tho
@@haralabospap7091 that was during real time. Essentially, Diavolo can do things during 10 seconds of real time, but he can also skip over that time and reposition himself while taking no damage. So imagine Diavolo impaled someone while he himself was impaled. Diavolo would see this happen, skip over it and take no damage, but the result of him impaling a person would remain.
Bro the downplay on a lot of these characters is insane man…ik they don’t have all their abilities but still. I feel like a lot of characters heavily either got downplayed,the ways their stands/powers work being changed to fit the way they want the fight to go,or being super glazed to seem stronger than they are.
Gold Experience is somewhat limited by their environment. In the fight with White Album, it was limited to small life Giorno knew could survive in frigid temperatures. They won't be able to make radioactive life without there being a source of radiation.
If any piece of clothes or hair or anything falls off during the battle, Kira can make it a bomb and Josuke can send it to return to its main body and send a homing bomb straight to their opponent.
Gappy only needs to take Johnny's sight in order to make him useless. He wouldn't be able to use the infinite rotation, since he wouldn't be able to take the golden ratio as a reference, enabling act 2, 3 and 4, leaving him only with act 1.
hear me out: Giorno could make a bunch of butterflies, or something of the sort, fly around him constantly and then go to attack toru. the calamity would most likely also hit the butterflies around him redirecting the damage back to Toru.
The issue with that whole deal is that its *really* hard to force a calamity to redirect, and if its something like rain or small objects then it likely wont happen I mentioned rain specifically because it doesn't just indiscriminately hurt people, its specifically the targets, even if others are in the rain
Making these guesses before watching, but parts 1&3&4 get bodied, 2 is carried by Kars, but still gets bodied, 5&6 can hold their own, but 7 or 8 come out on top. 👀 Edit: looks like our views differed on 3, but 7&8, by the logic of their own arcs in the series, are nigh unbeatable. 😂
These weren't end of parts 7 and 8, so no Go Beyond or Love Train or Act 4. But honestly, GB and A4 don't change anything. A Diego who doesn't have vampire powers beat A4 Johnny with the World and Go Beyond has nothing to suggest it could keep up in speed with SP, TW or CD (also probably SF and WS), along with them having to be activated first. They aren't unbeatable abilities, even by the logic of their own arcs, and are pretty easy to counter.
how i see this going down they all step into the field and checkout the competition... than they all immediately die except valentine because they planed to eventually kill toru. the next 5 hours are toru trying to get gappy close enough to go beyond the light barrier and kars is a tough one because he can't really die and we don't know what his stand would be, it'll probably end in a stalemate. edit: i typed this befre watching and went off the assumption of everyone at peak
Kars can die, it just very hard to make that happen. He was getting melted in the volcano, and the bubble armour could only last him so long (stated to be around a minute I believe)
Y'know... Stardust Crusaders Dio could vampirize Jotaro like he did with Vice. Part 3 Dio and Jotaro could clear because vampires with punchghosts and Dio with his timestops. Throw Kars into the sun in frozen time lol. Wait, Kira completely annihilated Shigeki, reduced to atoms bordering on the "I don't know where they go" levels of complete removal from existence. Could Kira completely destroy Kars by turning him into a bomb? Could he counter vampire regeneration by turning Dio into a bomb? Johnny fires a nail bullet at Josuke, Crazy Diamond punches the nail bullet, uses his stand power to repair Johnny's hand and sends the nail bullet back onto his finger. Could you please do this again with jobros? Nijimura's all "Hey Josuke, I'm fighting a cyborg german!"
It's an infinite rotation so he'd still be affected and I don't think thats how his stand works but even if it goes back it still touched him so he's rotating infinitely
y'all lowball Tooru so hard but it's also kinda fair I think josuk8 not getting hit by calamity during the bubble point was just Monologue-Time (he was doing/saying something cool/important so he gets a free action)
Imagine if Diavolo makes up his mind to punch someone right before skipping time, and fate just carries out the attack within the skipped time frame anyway because Diavolo is destined to land the punch
It’d be really funny if Valentine tried something on Tooru but then WOU activates and causes a horse to kick a rock with the power of the infinite rotation and kills Valentine Like just absolute perfect conditions for the infinite rotation
Before watching the whole thing, the one thing Jonathan and Dio has over all the other teams is they would have the best team work. Like after the time skip we see them well in synch. Now does this mean they win....uh....no but i think that could help them do something.
Joylene could make plat forms with string like during the fight with F.F. Create upside down own platform for pucci and everyone who cannot fly is dying to fall damage as a two mile fall up and down kills anyone who can’t survive that.
16:22 LMAO could you imagine? a couple of wasp come and carry him away while giorno seeks a stand animal for him? (also do we know if GER can still create life?we never saw Silver Chariot Requiem use superspeed)
While true, TA4 doesn’t have to use nail bullets to apply the infinite spin to someone. TA4 is stated to be the embodiment of the infinite spin, and since spin transcends calamity, he should be able to just walk up to WoU (but he would probably get striked with a calamity while on the horse trying to summon TA4 using the horse’s rotation)
I want to believe that a battle between GER and WOU woul just be a stale maye where none of them coul do anything Hear me out: WOU can't and won't do anything first, so the first hit is on GER. The second GER tries to do anything to WOU it gets hit by a calamity, which in turn immediately gets nullified as it is recognised as a threat. However, the nullify won't work on WOU, since it's not him directly summoning calamities, they happen just by themselves. Which would lead to both of them not being able to attack one another and just awkwardly staring at each other
i agree with you but i thaught about some thing, since WoU is supposed to scale on your sins and giorno is basically as righteous as possible wouldn't the damage be light enough that he could just survive most hit without being hit badly and if he does gt hit badly he could use what ever caused it to him to make new organs if they where damaged ?
@@rogerthecrab7677 if GER does, it/he also turns back time, this would put them in a stalemate also we don't know if GER's ability would activate as it's not an attack as such but more of a thing that happens if that makes sense, like i doubt that if giorno has an hearth attack because he kept drinking redbul GER would activate but this is head-cannon Vs head-cannon
Pretty sure they're basing this off him already having that horse ratio scenario also he doesn't need that to use a4 he needs it for the infinite rotation ability of a4 he can still manifest pink guy
20:42 Diavolo can't interact with anything in Time Skip, Narancia was fated to die and since nobody except Diavolo can change their fate Diavolo just used Epitaph and was like "Oh look I'm killing Narancia in the next 10 seconds, I'll just skip it"
@@datcheesecakeboi6745 i think you're a sad person because you deliberately look for hamon beat comments 2 months after this video was made to reply under them with sorry ass comments. Hold this L bum 😹😹
My issue is, funny openly uses his dimension hopping powers to either kill or survive. I don’t believe it would make sense for him to just come to the conclusion that he needs to jump and grab another toru just to ask him about a stand he doesn’t have so he can defeat it. And calamity would probably chase him to the other dimension because Araki stated wonder of u is on another planet of existence compared to D4C LT. And as for Johnny, like we see he dies from calamity in part 8. He tries to use the infinite rotation and a boulder crushes his head. Gappies go beyond isn’t the same as Tusk. Yes both integrate infinity however, One literally goes beyond the bounds of existence. Ceasing to exist yet still able to harm you. And no one should capable of touching happy when he’s existing outside the bounds of existence. Sure everyone can see him, but no one should be able to block or attack something the just outright doesn’t exist. And as for time stop, I definitely see WOU just popping up while time is stopped for them. As he just outright shouldn’t be affected by the laws of time, meaning when it’s halted, he should still be active. As the pursuit doesn’t stop. And I believe GER should be able to shut down literally everyone but WOU and SWGB. As he is specifically made to counter time and dimensional warping stands. Returning all moments to zero. Ending time stop and reversing the infinite rotation. As even infinity starts at 0.
21:00 I believe that what actually happened there was that Narancia was fated to be thrown on their by KC normally but time was skipped. In that period, KC couldn’t interact with anyone but Narancia essentially floated onto the spikes because their death was still fated to happen
I really wanna see someone draw JuJutsu Kaisen’s 3 way domain expansion but instead with Bites the Dust, Made in Heaven, and Return to Zero all activating at the same time
i think part 7 could get maybe a bit interesting but the rest gets stomped by wou as soon as they think about killing him. because the strength of the calamity that will strike depends on what u want to do to wou or gappy right. So because of course what they would want to do is Kill him the calamity would be much stronger and make it a quick game
If Part 7 duo are fighting in an empty room, Valentine would be at a great disadventage, if the flag is taken from him (and he had no clothes) then he's pretty much dead meat.
I love how josuke isn't the problem with the part 4 team, with anyone else he'd be goated but it's specidically cause hes with kira the canonically worst fighter here
The discussion of plunder really misses how friction is a force, so we know it can remove forces. If you plundered the force of electrostatic attraction then the targets atoms would just split apart b
@@datcheesecakeboi6745 well GER depends on the writer but i was meaning to say that the world has no chance in defeating wonder of u as the dumbass xforts was saying.
I Do think That them Tossing away Bites the dust, is a bit of a Low ball for Kira, Obviously in this scenario it's Completely unusable, But if you did bend the Rules of BTD and let Josuke Carry bites the Dust, It's honestly Gonna be Insanely Op, Of course With Both Josuke and Kira biggest Weakness here is durability and getting speed blitzed, But If Josuke could just shout Kira's Name well carrying Bites the dust, that Could Kill Everyone As long as they heard it, Which could result in a Total Wipe, and if Josuke and Kira just Shut up, Fate will Reach it's Destined Path Again, If Kira doesn't die It then comes down to Interactions between stands with the Big one Being GER, If that will be returned to Zero, Because if GER Cancels bites the Dust, Which maybe it does maybe it doesn't the part 4 team really is Screwed but if it doesn't that is at least A Scenario Where Part 4 can win, Also MIH Vs Btd would be hilarious as that would just cause it to detonate again and Again and Again Of Course Again, Bites the Dust In this scenario is Impossible, Since bites the Dust (Likely) Can't be placed on stand users and that means with out small Bending of the rules, Bites the dust is worthless, The only thing they gain with Kosaku kira is Stray cat air bubbles that well deadly aren't Really gonna do anything against the big hitters So overall I totally get why Part 4 was easy to put on the back burner, cause they can debatably only win with Minor Rule Breaking and Even then it's iffy and depends Stand interactions if bites the dust will Even detonate, But if it does, and Killed Everyone the First time around? It's Likely Could Be a Win for Kira/Josuke in that Super specific scenario
Infinite rotation from the bubble is different from act 4 also! Toru wouldnt touch the hole and wonder of u affects logic and act 4 can be redircted shown by diego part 8 duo solos
i feel like kira can turn josukes bullets or rocks what ever he decides to shoot into bombs or maybe jouske can recreate non living objects that kira touches i dont think theyd win but they could last longer with that idea
We got some monsters on this one boys…
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Tbh I felt like you downplayed dio and jotaro a bit
Do you think the Vampires stich themselves together rather then using biomass for regeneration?
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I LOVE THIS COLLAB
We all know the real losers are time and space as they collapse due to the sheer amount of Time and Reality Haxes
Bro had no comments before me.
Bro used 120% of his power to stay alive and see who's the real loser😂😂
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I like how everytime in low ball tier fights whenever it comes to part 8 its like ''Yeah and Tooru is Tooru.''
Johnny and valentine .... TEAMING!? thats sounds op
Yeah
Johnny is valentines only counter while Josuke part8 is only counter for wonde of you
Still gets low diffed by Wonder of U
@@Darth_Bateman i know. Look at my other comment
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Josuke and Kira would win if everyone else insulted Josuke’s hair
Josuke would be too angry to even care about the calamities coming at him
@@Some_Duck_Perhaps He’d be too angry to think about pursuing Tooru
@@hexagonpentagon2542funniest part is, canonically, Josue gets so angry when someone insults his hair, he loses all thoughts and just beats them up like in heavens door fight
@@hexagonpentagon2542”YO WTF HOW IS HE BEATING ME UP I HAVE WONDER OF U???!??? 😭-“
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Dio stopping time then jotaro moving and attacking then jotaro stopping time and dio attacking repeatedly is one hell lf a spam combo.
if jotaro moves in stopped time hes using his freezing time to do so
a duo barrage would be crazy tho
wonder of you and ger
then Johnny would counter that since the golden spin energy is beyond spacetime
@@zeep926jotaro moving in stopped time and stopping time is different abilities shown in the roller roller part of jotaro vs dio
@@Gimanha could have swore the reason he could do that is he enter stopped time just before Dio's ended so he still had some stopped time while dio didn't
I need a "What if Josuke and Giorno switched parts" video🗣️🗣️
Then everyone would die after notorious big fight at the farthest since he has no more hands since he can’t heal himself meaning he can only use his legs and he can’t even heal anyone else but he would problably stop at the fight where there’s the guy who can turn people into cubes and take away parts of them
Part 4 gang is screwed. Giorno can't trap Aqua Necklace, nor can he fuse him with a rock, so he's dead there, is so much weaker than RHCP that he probably gets instantly killed, along with him not having a way to restore Sheer Heart Attack, and since he would neither have the physical or ability advantage against KC he'd die again assuming he could get that far.
In eoh if you put josuke vs giorno it kinda does a what if they meet by saying giorno stole josuke wallet
Jotaro and Dio can literally create an infinite time stop loop, 1 stops time while the other is in cooldown and time stops again.
wrong
The definition of a “cooldown” means that you wait a certain amount of time for something to be used again, if time is not passing, then you can not “cooldown”
@@Ozrom3 Cooling down is the transition from intense physical activity to a more typical activity level. Depending on the intensity of the exercise, cooling down after a workout method, such as intense weightlifting, can involve a slow jog or walk. Cooling down allows the heart rate to return to its resting rate.
or its to to bring the body back to its normal physiological level after fast, vigorous exercise or activity by gradually slowing the pace of activity or by doing gentle exercises or stretches.
@@tattiebestdog okay so i didn’t use the actual definition of it, and I probably should have, but the point about time stop still stands, can’t just spam it
“Johnny would be able to defeat Tooru”
A random boulder:
RIGHT
Thematically you could say that the story shows that Johnny couldn't overcome calamity, but he also stopped calamity from befalling his wife and child, so he at least partially overcame it. From that view, Johnny could defeat Tooru but he himself would die in the process.
@@ProjektTaku Johnny literally died trying to stop calamity. He didn’t over come anything
@@misterentityyt1704 he literally saved both his wife and child from calamity. Did you read the rest of my comment?
@@ProjektTaku that doesn’t change the fact calamity still killed him. Johny still obeys the laws of causality and still got killed because calamity jumped to him. There’s no way for him to shoot calamity off of him
Hear me out what if Kira makes himself a bomb rusn towards anyone, tanks a punch through his chest, explodes killing the person and then josuke regenerates Kira.
And in saying that, what if josuke after Kira kills, let's say kars or dii, he then fuses Kira with either one of their bodies and now Kira might have vampiric abilities, I am incredibly head cannoning here.
I can't think of anyone here that would physically punch Kira as an opener besides maybe Karz. Even if it did work on somebody they'd never pull it off twice.
@@machina5 you right, though you gotta admit, Kira just running in kamikaze would be funny.
@@theos2710 Josuke just fusing Kira with others as if he's some Potara earing's so funny to me. Like, imagine he accidentally fuses himself with Kira.
I'm not even going to lie, Part 4 Josuke and Kira might be the ultimate counter to Josuk8 and Tooru. Sheer Heart Attack might not count as intent towards Tooru, just his body heat, along with CD being able to instantly heal Kira unlike GE, meanwhile Josuke could easily undo Josuk8's explosive bubbles and potentially reverse any plunder.
I love the idea of GER reversing MIH triggers a cascade of Big Bang/Big Crunch Resets till reality just gives up.
The issue is pucci would need to be targeting giorno but after the first attempt (if he even did try to target giorno) hed probably figure out to just run away and kill them later
Cant wait for part 9 to be in some of these discussions one day
Jodio and Acca Howler gonna go CRAZYY
Real
You glazed Whitesnake too hard.
Pucci with Whitesnake couldn't handle injured Jolynes Stone Free Ora Ora's, now imagine Jotaro and DIO coming after him.
okay but your ignoring the fact he is with jolyne
i think it can go either way between team 5, 7 and 8. I personally might go with team 7 because Tusk act 4 and d4c love train conceptually complement themselves perfectly
Nah I think rohan wins
@@A_walking_contradiction Rohan not even in the discussion 😭
@@oliverfletcher8535 he is now
Love Train as the ultimate shield and Tusk Act 4 as the ultimate sword.
@@A_walking_contradiction nah he draw
Giorno beats Tooru:
1. Make a pitbull and make it attack Tooru. 2. Wonder of U strikes the dog with calamity. 3. The blowback from hitting the pitbull kills Wonder of U.
Wonder of U would still live, but Tooru could die like this. Also, Giorno cannot control the enemies he spawns, he would need to get lucky for the pit bull to randomly attack
I don't think that'd work though for a couple reasons. Mainly, Tooru and WoU aren't actually calamity itself, in the series it's stated that the natural flow of calamity already exists, and Tooru's ability just passively manipulates that in his favor. From his point of view there is no "attack" he's just brokenly lucky with everyone else getting one-tapped somehow
I think that Sheer Heart Attack has the chance to get rid of Wonder of U because it’s going for heat specifically and not Toru. If Kira sends out Heart Attack then it’ll go for anyone, not specifically Toru. Ik in the vid you guys said that Toru might not be warm blooded being a rock human but if he is and some how Kira is still alive, I think that Heart Attack could go for Toru.
Edit: Counter to my argument. Gappy plunders his heat.
Calamity would still defend him since calamity defends against anything sent at him that is a real object or person or stand
At the same time, we have seen sheer heart attack when hit by a strange event will reflect back to Kira’s hand. And Kira the stand user deploys it with the intent to kill. Even if it’s inevitable target is toru, the karma + calamity is wiping him out
@@Gimanha no? Kaato temporarily overcame him by just not focusing on him. Tooru is still hurt by intentless things, its not a perfect force-field against all harm.
@@misterentityyt1704 that just means its connected to Kira, it never implies any sort of intent from Kira, as automatic stands are just that, automatic. Calamity and Karma can't affect something that doesn't have intent against Tooru. Tooru literally would get washed by SHA.
@@ProjektTaku false, Kira always deploys sheer heart attack with the intent to kill. Shear heart attack is still apart of killer queen. We see koichi literally crushes Kira’s hand, meaning odd and potential effects can still occur. Sheer heat attack can still trigger calamity as it itself is an attack. Meaning the second it peruses Toru, Kira would die. SHA does not wash toru as it is stated it is still apart of Kira and Kira openly admits he used it with the intent to kill Jotaro and koichi
Honestly you should do this but a free for all between jo bros cause of how interesting the powers are there as well
That would be sick gyro is gonna stomp😂
If Weather Report is counted, then Part 6 clears low diff
Speedwagon solos.
the only "jobro" that has a chance against Weather Report would be Rohan making his teammates immune to becoming Snail and then losing because he can't do it to himself
@@matehiqu9905I think with enough distraction he can just nullify Weather report if he manages to write something like “Weather report has no effect on Okuyasu, Koichi and Rohan.”
Part 7 and 8 duo would curb stomp everyone is my guess unless GER
Havent watched, so this is my bet.
Alright but i bet he will mention rohan because he is way too op
@A_walking_contradiction this is only part protagonists and antagonists
@@AJGundam my bad
7 and 8 universe is overrated in terms of scaling
@@Jsipki265 you are tripping if you think that way..... considering GER exist who doesn't have many feats aside from diavolo situation and created to many "what-if" theory regarding all of his match up againts any characters. But people still glazing that stand more than anything till this day
The Jojoats all together in one big ass video, ya gotta love it
Jojoats sounds like a Jojo themed cereal. "Now in 9 flavors, get a taste of your favorite psycho with a ghost."
You guys at the end said that giorno could die of old age in the vs seven scenario but he could just make new organs for himself.
But what about stuff like the brain and nervous system? Can’t really replace the organs that dictate all of your movements/keeping you alive
@@JackNick2000 pump that shit Full of Life Energy
@@error-4269 doesn’t that stuff ages living things?
@JackNick2000 it didn't age Bruno when it revived him did it?
@@error-4269 yeah but Bruno was still breaking down. He was a walking corpse that became blind and deaf.
Part1 and Part3 Dio kiss 🗿
3 goats discussing the battle between 16 goats
Fr
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some real heavy hitters on this one
15 goats and Toru* 😂😂
That move them toward toru combos is crazy
Honestly, I think you guys did pretty well, except for not taking in the lack of feats for part 7. They really have no feats and could probably get out sped before act 4 could do shit, since Johnny is consistently only bullet timer with feats. You have to use the association fallacy for Dio’s the world and Diego’s the world (which are NOT the same stand) to get SBR that high. Plus wonder of u is just straight up superior to d4c love train’s ability of redirecting misfortune, since Araki himself stated that calamity is the strongest ability in the series. Also, Fate is still active in time stop and there is no proof otherwise. The only abilities that are confirmed to be exempt from fate are rtz and time skip. Time skip also can not move people, as diavolo becomes completely intangible during skipped time. The reason the gang was so confused when Narancia (idk how to spell his name lol) got put on the bars was because they all forgot the memory. Diavolo was fated to attack him and impale him on the bars so it happened. Therefore he could not move someone in skipped time unless he was already fated to do so. The only one who would be exempt from fate would be Diavolo, but because of how part 5 scales to silver chariot, he can’t do shit in reality. GER should also be able to keep some people in check, but go beyond would smoke him as his bubbles don’t even exist so they can’t be reverted, and calamity isn’t an attack from tooru so it can’t be reverted either. Tooru by himself should solo everyone on this list and it’s really not close. Call me a wonder of u glazer if you want, but that’s just how I see it. I could be wrong tho since I’m not Araki and only he would truly know how this fight would go since he is the author of the series and I’m just some random person on the internet lol.
That’s every discussion with part 7/8 people even think part 3 does worse in Diego’s position versus Johnny. It gets exhausting cause Tusk act 4 isn’t a auto win.
@@Jsipki265 if it hits it’s an auto win, but in a series when characters are easily scaled above the speed of light (at least in parts 2-6) and bullet timer attack can’t really do shit. Does he have the high AP? Yes. Would he hit anyone? I’m not sure. Same thing with part 8 and go beyond. There’s no evidence that gappy can keep up with the likes of jotaro and I’ve always had a problem when meta’s saying that wonder of U has all the previous starts of previous stands. While I do still think wonder of u clears (since it’s literally stated to be the strongest ability by Araki), it’s physically stats are weak as hell. The main problem I had with this vid is that they completely ignored all the physical stats, which is extremely important in a video like this.
There's also no proof fate is active in time stop also fate being in time stop wouldn't matter time is stopped nothing but the users can move in that time it's literally shown how that works meaning no calamity since nothing is able to do anything after time is unstopped though? Sure
@JHolmeje also that means stale mate since they don't have to leave love train and pursue them
@@JHolmeje exactly. People love to say that Go Beyond clears so many fictional characters, but its never shown to have any speed feats? In fact its implied to be pretty slow, and Josuk8 has to actually make it as well.
The Virgin GER & The Chad SCR
All I am saying is...do you see that guy over there...HES KIRA, HES YOSIKAGE KIR-
All I am saying is... do you see that guy over there... HES KIRA, HES YOSIKAGE KIR
All I am saying is-
I love how they have the idea for diavolo to move someone in skipped time but not for josuke and kira to set traps with bombs 😭😭
Yeah im pretty sure Diavolo cant interact with anyone in the timeskip
@@kanestalin7246 Didn't he "steal" Trish during a time skip in the elevator when Bruno was going to hand her to him?
@@haralabospap7091 i wonder about that as well cause im pretty sure he cant interact with anyone during the ts, it might just be a case of Araki forgot tho
@@kanestalin7246 Araki never forgot this part of KC, its literally used against Narancia later.
@@haralabospap7091 that was during real time. Essentially, Diavolo can do things during 10 seconds of real time, but he can also skip over that time and reposition himself while taking no damage.
So imagine Diavolo impaled someone while he himself was impaled. Diavolo would see this happen, skip over it and take no damage, but the result of him impaling a person would remain.
Bro the downplay on a lot of these characters is insane man…ik they don’t have all their abilities but still. I feel like a lot of characters heavily either got downplayed,the ways their stands/powers work being changed to fit the way they want the fight to go,or being super glazed to seem stronger than they are.
I just know giorno and diavolo or josuke and Kira better get credit , part 6 is interesting for end game discussion tho
Nah rohan will beat all
Gold Experience is somewhat limited by their environment. In the fight with White Album, it was limited to small life Giorno knew could survive in frigid temperatures. They won't be able to make radioactive life without there being a source of radiation.
If any piece of clothes or hair or anything falls off during the battle, Kira can make it a bomb and Josuke can send it to return to its main body and send a homing bomb straight to their opponent.
„And then there’s Tooru just being Tooru“ 😂
Gappy only needs to take Johnny's sight in order to make him useless.
He wouldn't be able to use the infinite rotation, since he wouldn't be able to take the golden ratio as a reference, enabling act 2, 3 and 4, leaving him only with act 1.
hear me out: Giorno could make a bunch of butterflies, or something of the sort, fly around him constantly and then go to attack toru. the calamity would most likely also hit the butterflies around him redirecting the damage back to Toru.
they probably just forgot about that ability because of how little it was used. but thats actually really smart
The issue with that whole deal is that its *really* hard to force a calamity to redirect, and if its something like rain or small objects then it likely wont happen
I mentioned rain specifically because it doesn't just indiscriminately hurt people, its specifically the targets, even if others are in the rain
Giorno cannot control the lifeforms he creates. And butterflies don’t really attack. So this wouldn’t work
@@FatherLuciddoesnt matter. We literally saw someone die by hitting a frog with a shovel. It doesnt need control for the damage reflect to work.
@@NoobSebot My point is that the butterfly wouldn’t attack, so there would be no point in killing the butterfly
XForts deadass came up with the best argument against Wonder of U
Making these guesses before watching, but parts 1&3&4 get bodied, 2 is carried by Kars, but still gets bodied, 5&6 can hold their own, but 7 or 8 come out on top. 👀
Edit: looks like our views differed on 3, but 7&8, by the logic of their own arcs in the series, are nigh unbeatable. 😂
These weren't end of parts 7 and 8, so no Go Beyond or Love Train or Act 4. But honestly, GB and A4 don't change anything. A Diego who doesn't have vampire powers beat A4 Johnny with the World and Go Beyond has nothing to suggest it could keep up in speed with SP, TW or CD (also probably SF and WS), along with them having to be activated first. They aren't unbeatable abilities, even by the logic of their own arcs, and are pretty easy to counter.
how i see this going down
they all step into the field and checkout the competition... than they all immediately die except valentine because they planed to eventually kill toru. the next 5 hours are toru trying to get gappy close enough to go beyond the light barrier
and kars is a tough one because he can't really die and we don't know what his stand would be, it'll probably end in a stalemate.
edit: i typed this befre watching and went off the assumption of everyone at peak
Kars can die, it just very hard to make that happen. He was getting melted in the volcano, and the bubble armour could only last him so long (stated to be around a minute I believe)
Y'know... Stardust Crusaders Dio could vampirize Jotaro like he did with Vice. Part 3 Dio and Jotaro could clear because vampires with punchghosts and Dio with his timestops. Throw Kars into the sun in frozen time lol.
Wait, Kira completely annihilated Shigeki, reduced to atoms bordering on the "I don't know where they go" levels of complete removal from existence. Could Kira completely destroy Kars by turning him into a bomb? Could he counter vampire regeneration by turning Dio into a bomb?
Johnny fires a nail bullet at Josuke, Crazy Diamond punches the nail bullet, uses his stand power to repair Johnny's hand and sends the nail bullet back onto his finger.
Could you please do this again with jobros? Nijimura's all "Hey Josuke, I'm fighting a cyborg german!"
It's an infinite rotation so he'd still be affected and I don't think thats how his stand works but even if it goes back it still touched him so he's rotating infinitely
y'all lowball Tooru so hard but it's also kinda fair
I think josuk8 not getting hit by calamity during the bubble point was just Monologue-Time (he was doing/saying something cool/important so he gets a free action)
That collab between three JoJo RUclipsrs I love watching is crazy-
I would love to see more podcast kinda videos like this. Its so thought provoking!
You need to get Hamon Beat in on this
He doesn’t powerscale
why? he literally the kid in class who ruins all the jokes
@@datcheesecakeboi6745 why is that?
Imagine if Diavolo makes up his mind to punch someone right before skipping time, and fate just carries out the attack within the skipped time frame anyway because Diavolo is destined to land the punch
VS part 8
"You go for Josuke, I'll go for Tooru"
*Dies*
It’d be really funny if Valentine tried something on Tooru but then WOU activates and causes a horse to kick a rock with the power of the infinite rotation and kills Valentine
Like just absolute perfect conditions for the infinite rotation
or valentine just like trips on a pebble in the L4ve Train barrier and breaks his neck XD
Giorno makes a poisonous frog, Diavolo grabs it and puts it inside Toru's mouth within time skip
Babe wake up metas posted
I'm imagining wonder of you, causing Puchi to run into Kars and then both are so fast that they walk into space
"He could create an entire new biological thing that creates nuclear stuff"
Gold Experience Requiem creating Godzilla sounds horrifying
50:04 I have a suspicion that if Pucci could switch teams, that wouldn't be the swap he would make lol.
1:01:10 there is actually a genus of bacteria that can use radioactive decay as an energy source
Kira releases "bites the dust" to kill as many of his enemys - not to kill the karma guy- he just happened to have body heat
Before watching the whole thing, the one thing Jonathan and Dio has over all the other teams is they would have the best team work. Like after the time skip we see them well in synch. Now does this mean they win....uh....no but i think that could help them do something.
Wished you guys talked about Go beyond As a win con for 8 more but it’s fine😢
The end result depends on if you think go beyond beats GER or vice versa.
Joylene could make plat forms with string like during the fight with F.F. Create upside down own platform for pucci and everyone who cannot fly is dying to fall damage as a two mile fall up and down kills anyone who can’t survive that.
Love this collab it's so great to see my favorite JoJo RUclipsrs on the same video
16:22 LMAO could you imagine? a couple of wasp come and carry him away while giorno seeks a stand animal for him? (also do we know if GER can still create life?we never saw Silver Chariot Requiem use superspeed)
Diavolo and the time stoppers just teleporting around the whole time
Jonathan & Dio & Jotaro on 1 team, Dio with all powers he's ever used.
27:52 Jolyne can only unravel about 70% of herself
The nail bullets are always bound to a nail first so the bullet would never hit toru since unlike the bubble, it still exists
While true, TA4 doesn’t have to use nail bullets to apply the infinite spin to someone. TA4 is stated to be the embodiment of the infinite spin, and since spin transcends calamity, he should be able to just walk up to WoU (but he would probably get striked with a calamity while on the horse trying to summon TA4 using the horse’s rotation)
I think Josuke and Tooru are just the strongestt. Btw, are you reading jojolands?
Yes I am!
I want to believe that a battle between GER and WOU woul just be a stale maye where none of them coul do anything
Hear me out: WOU can't and won't do anything first, so the first hit is on GER. The second GER tries to do anything to WOU it gets hit by a calamity, which in turn immediately gets nullified as it is recognised as a threat. However, the nullify won't work on WOU, since it's not him directly summoning calamities, they happen just by themselves. Which would lead to both of them not being able to attack one another and just awkwardly staring at each other
No one wins, yes
i agree with you but i thaught about some thing, since WoU is supposed to scale on your sins and giorno is basically as righteous as possible wouldn't the damage be light enough that he could just survive most hit without being hit badly and if he does gt hit badly he could use what ever caused it to him to make new organs if they where damaged ?
@nuwua3972 There won't BE any damage, GER nullifies ALL physical threat, no matter how big or small
@@rogerthecrab7677 if GER does, it/he also turns back time, this would put them in a stalemate
also we don't know if GER's ability would activate as it's not an attack as such but more of a thing that happens if that makes sense, like i doubt that if giorno has an hearth attack because he kept drinking redbul GER would activate but this is head-cannon Vs head-cannon
@@nuwua3972 that's LITERALLY what I said
Why does everyone always forget Johnny needs a running start on his horse to use Act 4? That horse isn't surviving ANYTHING.
Pretty sure they're basing this off him already having that horse ratio scenario also he doesn't need that to use a4 he needs it for the infinite rotation ability of a4 he can still manifest pink guy
all my favorite jojo youtubers in one video
Honestly it just pleases me to see these three GOATs together.
20:42 Diavolo can't interact with anything in Time Skip, Narancia was fated to die and since nobody except Diavolo can change their fate Diavolo just used Epitaph and was like "Oh look I'm killing Narancia in the next 10 seconds, I'll just skip it"
This is just another diovolo death scenario if you think about it
THE BIG 3 JOJOTUBERS COLLAB YESSSS
Need hamon beat on this next
no we dont, nobody needs hamon beat, he got pissy cuz someone made a joke
@@datcheesecakeboi6745 i think you're a sad person because you deliberately look for hamon beat comments 2 months after this video was made to reply under them with sorry ass comments. Hold this L bum 😹😹
Yo why is nobody else talking about this masterclass of an intro
My issue is, funny openly uses his dimension hopping powers to either kill or survive. I don’t believe it would make sense for him to just come to the conclusion that he needs to jump and grab another toru just to ask him about a stand he doesn’t have so he can defeat it. And calamity would probably chase him to the other dimension because Araki stated wonder of u is on another planet of existence compared to D4C LT. And as for Johnny, like we see he dies from calamity in part 8. He tries to use the infinite rotation and a boulder crushes his head. Gappies go beyond isn’t the same as Tusk. Yes both integrate infinity however, One literally goes beyond the bounds of existence. Ceasing to exist yet still able to harm you. And no one should capable of touching happy when he’s existing outside the bounds of existence. Sure everyone can see him, but no one should be able to block or attack something the just outright doesn’t exist. And as for time stop, I definitely see WOU just popping up while time is stopped for them. As he just outright shouldn’t be affected by the laws of time, meaning when it’s halted, he should still be active. As the pursuit doesn’t stop. And I believe GER should be able to shut down literally everyone but WOU and SWGB. As he is specifically made to counter time and dimensional warping stands. Returning all moments to zero. Ending time stop and reversing the infinite rotation. As even infinity starts at 0.
Wait, the GER hating ends here?!. Also, in my opinion, part 8 stomps. And part 7 with johnny and valentine sounds op.
How is part 8 beating GER?
@@FatherLucidBecause of calamity giorno would infinitely kill himself
@@GigaDeer what?
good thing you clarified that its your opinion because its really dogwater lol
using go beyond@@FatherLucid
Finally, I can die happy knowing I saw some of my favorite powerscalers crossed over...
21:00 I believe that what actually happened there was that Narancia was fated to be thrown on their by KC normally but time was skipped. In that period, KC couldn’t interact with anyone but Narancia essentially floated onto the spikes because their death was still fated to happen
Awesome video!
Next video Jojo characters duo or not vs The Phantom Thiefs (P5R)
One of my fav jojo vids ive ever seen, pluck clears
If he found an object big enough like a Space Shuttle he could make Godzilla
Always hyped for a metas video
Jotaro and Kira won't win the fight, however, they won my heart.
I really wanna see someone draw JuJutsu Kaisen’s 3 way domain expansion but instead with Bites the Dust, Made in Heaven, and Return to Zero all activating at the same time
i think part 7 could get maybe a bit interesting but the rest gets stomped by wou as soon as they think about killing him. because the strength of the calamity that will strike depends on what u want to do to wou or gappy right. So because of course what they would want to do is Kill him the calamity would be much stronger and make it a quick game
WoU isn’t beating Giorno
The Big 3 of jojotube all in for a 1 hour vid? WE EATING GOOD
Not even begun watching yet but cant wait for the enviable Calamity sweep (unless calamity is also stopped by time freeze/erasure/acceleration)
If Part 7 duo are fighting in an empty room, Valentine would be at a great disadventage, if the flag is taken from him (and he had no clothes) then he's pretty much dead meat.
I love how josuke isn't the problem with the part 4 team, with anyone else he'd be goated but it's specidically cause hes with kira the canonically worst fighter here
So Bart Simpson can hit Toru with an "I'm gonna swing at the air like this, and if you get hit it's your fault"?
The discussion of plunder really misses how friction is a force, so we know it can remove forces. If you plundered the force of electrostatic attraction then the targets atoms would just split apart b
Hot take: vitamin c is the main villain of jojolion. Tooru is just the strongest rock human
Bruh wonder of you is the strongest villan stand. Its confirmed by araki
villan stand*
GER could defeat it
@@datcheesecakeboi6745 well GER depends on the writer
but i was meaning to say that the world has no chance in defeating wonder of u as the dumbass xforts was saying.
I Do think That them Tossing away Bites the dust, is a bit of a Low ball for Kira, Obviously in this scenario it's Completely unusable, But if you did bend the Rules of BTD and let Josuke Carry bites the Dust, It's honestly Gonna be Insanely Op, Of course With Both Josuke and Kira biggest Weakness here is durability and getting speed blitzed, But If Josuke could just shout Kira's Name well carrying Bites the dust, that Could Kill Everyone As long as they heard it, Which could result in a Total Wipe, and if Josuke and Kira just Shut up, Fate will Reach it's Destined Path Again, If Kira doesn't die
It then comes down to Interactions between stands with the Big one Being GER, If that will be returned to Zero, Because if GER Cancels bites the Dust, Which maybe it does maybe it doesn't
the part 4 team really is Screwed but if it doesn't that is at least A Scenario Where Part 4 can win, Also MIH Vs Btd would be hilarious as that would just cause it to detonate again and Again and Again
Of Course Again, Bites the Dust In this scenario is Impossible, Since bites the Dust (Likely) Can't be placed on stand users and that means with out small Bending of the rules, Bites the dust is worthless, The only thing they gain with Kosaku kira is Stray cat air bubbles that well deadly aren't Really gonna do anything against the big hitters
So overall I totally get why Part 4 was easy to put on the back burner, cause they can debatably only win with Minor Rule Breaking and Even then it's iffy and depends Stand interactions if bites the dust will Even detonate, But if it does, and Killed Everyone the First time around? It's Likely Could Be a Win for Kira/Josuke in that Super specific scenario
ultimate jjba youtuber collab
Isn't Dio such a powerful character his cannon extends beyond normal cannon. I swear that a metas vid explianing that.
That’s novel DIO
@@METAsMETAs sound like dio with extra steps 😂
Joseph glazing is crazy. He got destroyed by DIO in part 3 yet somehow people think hed make it far in fights like wonder of u or d4c
Tbf he lost his plot armor by part 3
Joseph as the Mc and Joseph as a jobro are two different people (I don’t mean that literally).
Infinite rotation from the bubble is different from act 4 also! Toru wouldnt touch the hole and wonder of u affects logic and act 4 can be redircted shown by diego part 8 duo solos
Ngl a crazy duo would be kars and Giorno
Ok I just watched this video a lil bit deeper and since no end game power id say kars and Anubis
Part6 should be top 3 such good utility and offence as well
i feel like kira can turn josukes bullets or rocks what ever he decides to shoot into bombs or maybe jouske can recreate non living objects that kira touches i dont think theyd win but they could last longer with that idea
Gappy and Toru absolutely stomp every other team and its not even close
@@hgoggs Go beyond is not going to be nearly as effective on other characters as it was on WOU
This isn’t true lol
@@FatherLucid why are you on this brainrot ahh vid
hell no, gappy is anchoring down tooru so bad, they would end up third/second maybe
@@sirjoesphjoestar8361 how can you anchor down someone weaker than you, gappy is literally the strongest jojo character 💀
Yess!!!! Ultimate JoJo Collab!!!