Valve Left Me Unsupervised: Steam Deck Hardware Review
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- Опубликовано: 11 июн 2024
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0:00 Intro
1:22 Steam Deck Specs
1:50 The "Controller"
3:33 The Part You Were Waiting For
3:39 The "Controller" Part 2
4:03 Thermals & Noise
6:15 PERFORMANCE :D
9:28 The Battery
10:00 The Screen
11:35 The Speakers
12:34 The Skeleton in the Pipe: Haptics
13:29 Storage Load Times & Expansion
14:29 The "Competition"
15:15 Quick Bits & Closing Thoughts 
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Honestly, hearing the pros and cons in a review like this makes me more willing to buy the product. It feel less like "what am I not seeing" and more like a proper, educated choice on how I should spend my money. Huge props to Linus and Valve.
I did the deposit thing more as a 'just in case' i want it even though atthe time i didnt think I would ever pull the trigger. Now, I'm actually kinda hyped esp since I never got my 3070FE.
Absolutely. No hidden negatives. Saying it how it is.
Yes... That's how reviews work
@@Nexii801 That's how they're supposed to work, but often don't. Publications have incentive to sweep flaws under the rug and give high reviews score, so that they don't get blacklisted by these big companies. They need to get early access to these products be able to get their reviews out when they're relevant for clicks.
Pretty sure he alluded to not being able to talk about certain things just yet. So might hold off until full disclosure
Excited to see more but geez how many layers of embargo can valve have
Hi
Apple's embargoes are nothing in front of valve's embargoes
howdy hip, fancy seeing you here!
Hey Hipyo Tech, I have an idea for a new vid. You should get the steam deck and try using a custom wireless bluetooth keyboard. It would be such a crazy idea.
@@Hamox seriously, the thing isn't released yet for another two weeks when with most other products we're lucky to get a review two weeks before launch if not until right at launch.
Having played a lot of Forza Horizon 5, I've experienced that rubber band effect a huge amount on my PC running a GTX1080. I found switching to offline mode always fixed the issue, so it seems to be related to the online experience / network connection. Rebooting my router and/or PC sometimes fixed the issue and other times didn't. It's the only game I've had this issue with.
Linus needs to see this comment! This is 100% a problem regarding the game. I run into the exact same issue, turning off online mode makes it buttery smooth.
Definitely a problem on the Game Pass version, so seeing it running the same way through Proton isn't surprising. I have a suspicion that they might be streaming some assets to you when in online mode which causes the speed ramping. Really shouldn't be surprising that FH5 is a marquee title for Valve, since their partnership with Microsoft has been so strong, and with both having a lot of stake in the Linux world right now.
@@itschrly He does not care, it was his only argument to bring down the Steam Deck.
Yeah they're syncing the physics serverside when online and if your internet doesn't hold up or someone else's, it can throw off the experience for everyone, especially in trial races.
I had that issue on XSX the first few weeks after launch but I haven't noticed it since then.
With regards to Dead Cells, I can see why they want you to look at it because it feels like the deck isn't wasting its resources once it hits a certain rate, which I actually like. I do not care if a game can to 300fps. Once I'm well above 60 I would care much more about battery life. And I would figure by not overworking it on a game that the deck can crush you'll get a much longer play time on battery for that game. So to me the lower, but still super high, frame rate is more a feature than a bug.
@@megge1 Exactly, I doubt I'd run, say, Savage content in FF14 on the Steam Deck, but I might casually run around farming resources and crafting. It's just about what you're expecting from this sort of device and a lot of people who do hardcore console and PC gaming with ridiculously high end rigs might not like that an indie platformer doesn't perform at over 100FPS but the main target audience for this sort of device honestly couldn't care less.
without the HZ going above 60 fps is pretty shit.
But its like you say, personally idgaf if i can gain 300-800 fps, i care about it running at its best at 60 fps(120fps on my computer and nothing else. It's like your car using excess fuel than it needs to just for 0.2% more power
I'll just keep mine default and leave it at average
@@marcuspvxeaespecially since if a screen is 120hz max, everything above that is just a waste of energy
Steam deck looks like a thing we all dreamed about in childhood and here it is now. Remembering Tetris or even Game Boy times it feels like something from another dimension
I had the original Gameboy as a kid and still remember propping a flashlight between my neck and pillow just so I could see the screen to play Mario and Pokémon. At that time that little 2x2inch square that wasn't even back-lit was fucking magical lol. As I've gotten older I've gotten more into PC gaming and have always wished to be able to play a lot of games in bed. Laptops are ok and provide a good experience with a stand but you still end up having to accomodate the stand with your movements/ positioning. Switch lite is perfect size but lacking in games that i like to play. Streaming has too much input lag for my personal preference and the other handhelds have never enticed me pricewise. This is the first device in years that makes me excited for gaming again. I really hope it's all we hope it to be and there's no quality issues such as stick drift of the switch or the dead capacitive stick ends on the Index controllers. Other than that I think I can accept the minor design flaws already present in the device such as the motors.
Yeah
@@N-VAMusic I don't think you really need a stand for a laptop, a good gaming desk could do or just a table. I'd prefer a gaming desk a stand may offer slightly better cooling but not enough to really matter.
Like the Xbox handheld I always wanted
Game Boy Color was the first handheld I owned and I played it lots. In EGM magazine I got previews of the upcoming Nintendo systems, GBA and GameCube. And honestly was more impressed by GBA to see a Super Nintendo like handheld. We’ve come a long way in 20 years.
Linus: "Valve can't bend the laws of physics"
Valve, probably: "We're working on that"
I read that in Cave Johnson's voice.
*Makes portal gun*
They bent physics in Forza H5 lol
@@spenceranderson4563 I read that in Gabe's slightly tired voice with a hit of disappointment that he has yet to break near fundamental laws of the universe
@@abdillin you know i wouldn't mind it in real life
The fact that Valve released the dimensions for cad & 3d printing modders & makers already tells me everything I need to know about what kind of community the steam deck will have.
I want one but so that I can bring a passable PC gaming experience to business trip hotels & not risk pugging around my self built gaming rig baby. Also, I want to see if I can at least play Beat saber in VR on this thing.
Of course they want modders n hackers to mess with this gear, either way they make money bc they got all the games already.
@@vinnydarrc3953 "hackers" xDD
@@hinol6936 at least we sound cool!
I thought steam deck has no vr support :0 i mean you can def mod your deck for that tho
@@jeepeedurocher ..vr support?.. i mean maybe it wont understand or the steam vr app wont turn on.. but if you mean like you need a PC to be verified..well no.. any PC can do vr if you can plug in the headset.. with a dock maybe since the steamdeck is getting one.
Valve is putting their best foot forward with the Steam Deck with just how open they are being with the device. Contrast this especially with Nintendo, Sony, and Apple being so aggressive with anyone who dares to open their devices, modify or repair them, or use third party software, Valve is giving us a breath of fresh air.
Not like Valve is competing with any of those people. Nintendo is nintendo, completely different set of audience.
@@441meatloaf he means in terms of being chill about snooping around thier products insides
@@magicianslucky602 Doubt Sony or Xbox or Nintendo really care about you snooping inside their hardware....considering how many videos are out there on self-repair...
@@441meatloaf back in xbox360 Era they literally made the xbox360S unrepairable, and most modern consoles are nearly impossible ( possible but needs alot of patience ) , nintendo is insanely against emulation and game preservation, and all 4 companies mentioned are highly against the consumer
@@magicianslucky602 Almost all electronic companies are against repairing things like Apple and even Samsung. However with companies like iFixit and many Chinese parts can be found and taken to a third party shop to be replaced.
Even Tesla does not allow their customers go to third party to get it fix but many still do.
Also with the new laws being put into place these manufacturers are forced to roll back their anti-consumerism, this is especially true in Europe.
But considering most parts are made in China, nothing really stops people from buying from Alibaba geniune OEM parts. China also does not give a shit about your anti-consumerism policies. They just sell whatever supplies are in the market and demand.
Watching Linus get excited about tech innovations really just makes my day
Not an innovation. This is just the evolution of the Sega Game Gear.
This comment can be copied and pasted under any LTT video without watching it, like farmer.
BlueJay! Loving your videos sir! *fanboys out and faints*
"innovation means new"
@@bepbep7418 Nothing is new ever since we and the Russians started recovering crashed UFOs and reverse engineering their technology and adopting it to our use. Hope you are not so young that you know nothing about that Roswell incident in 1947.
Linus, that “rubberbanding” in forza has happened to me only when I’m online. I believe it’s a server issue and not something with the hardware itself.
Yeah I was gonna say, that rubber banding only happens online and when you're doing seasonal events. It's 100% a server issue and not hardware (which they will hopefully fix, because it's awful)
Came here to say this, I've experienced this on my PC when their servers are having issues, you just need to switch to solo mode
Oh that's reassuring then. One of the only things they complain about is a misnomer 😆
@@ARC_VR Not a misnomer
Yeah it happens way too often, I get random hitches, game feels like it's got streaming DRM or some shit, I have a high end system so it shouldn't be happening
"Well if PC is so good why don't they make PC2?"
They did it, they finally made PC2 and I am here for it!
LAMO
@@markusTegelane it's actually pppc powerpuff portable personal computer
@@albatrossboss4639 actually pppppc poopy pants powerful portable personal comeputer
this is actually PC: The spinoff
This is PC: rising revengeance
So if the steam Deck is "too big" for Linus small hands, it means that normal hands most likely will fit perfectly.
Should I call an Ambulance?
@@aryabratsahoo7474 Maybe hold off, they can be expensi- oh wait, Linus lives in a civilized country.
@@wta1518 saves in healthcare.. gets looted in housing sector. Civilised Lmao
@@wta1518 that's why I said "should I"
@@AemondTomahawk Live rural 5head
As someone who travels often I’m very excited for this launch. There’s so much potential here! It’s just cool to see this after being on Steam since 2004.
Same I'm a truck driver can't wait to grab this baby and bring it on the road with me!! 😁
Cant run a EGPU so no buy sadly
@@spiffdaddy But why, why would you do that?
@@spiffdaddy so what? This is a great beginning of a revolutionary portable pc it just started dude don't even think of rushing it lmao.
@Justin Freitag assuming you are speaking about gaming laptop, well once you spend enough time gaming to justify paying 2-3x more at minimum
The wine developers ( Codeweavers), Valve ( Proton) and all the open source community deserve all the praise, what they did with Proton (wine) is nothing more than an amazing engineering achievement, Valve is trying so hard to push Linux's gaming on Desktop since 2014, I hope that all the hard work that they had, it pays off now.
@UC0AeLntAig0DooQ-SmoduZw is right here, even though there are plenty of community contributions being made to Wine, Codeweavers still do the bulk of the heavy lifting and now that they're backed by Valve financially, you can see how this development is really taking off. As a Linux gamer I've been reaping the rewards of this for the past few years now.
@Vinícius Felipe Posselt "The main corporate sponsor of Wine is CodeWeavers, which employs Julliard and many other Wine developers to work on Wine and on CrossOver" Wikipedia.
@@paparoxo3606
Crossover is Wine Pro basically.
PlayOnLinux/Mac is Wine Community Pro. Hehe.
Everyone should keep in mind that due to how easy it is to swap SD cards, that you can simply have multiple in your case with different games on them. They act as custom game cartridges
Really?
@@TitanChromeEYes, really. You can install, such as GTA V on one Card, and maybe God of War on another.
Yeah just swap whenever you like
I’d love to see the steam deck hooked to a monitor and keyboard and mouse. I know it won’t be a desktop replacement but to see someone use it as one would be neat!
I think Linus did it on his first preview, a few months ago.
i think i've heard of some sort of docking station that valve is gonna release at some point?
basically like the switch one lol
That's the kind of indepth review I'm looking for, giving the fact that prices for desktops are raising, this is going to be the ultimate pc
You can use it as a desktop replacement. But there is no point in it for buying a steam deck than, because you can get this performance already with MiniPCs from Minis Forum, Asrock DeskMini or others.
@@hassosigbjoernson5738 Yeah but the idea of gaming at the desk then taking it to bed sounds so kewl though not practical lol
Assuming game devs get on board, the best thing about Steam Deck will be wildly improved linux support for gaming.
It already is.
Before Steam, gaming on Linux did exist through some indie titles and Wine, but they took it to the next level when they launched Steam on Linux. It was the first time we saw a significant number of ports (through Steam's runtimes) and later on better compatibility through Proton.
Sure, there was stuff that made that possible (like Direct3D vulkan wrappers, etc.), but Valve did hire people to work on those solutions as well, making it even better
That's my main hope with steamdeck, improvements on linux gaming as a whole.
Noone cares about Linux. We just wanted a handheld pc
@@ghostlegit A lot of people care about it.
@@ghostlegit Enjoying your Windows update?
The Forza Physics-banding is a bug and can be experienced on PC too. In my experience, putting the game into offline mode is gonna do the trick.
I litterally have the same issue with a 3080FE kinda crazy that its not fixed yet
Damn if this true that thing is more impressive than i thought
agreed happens on forza 4 too
It's just the online mode. Turn it off, go offline and you'll never see that again
Oh for real? I've literally avoided playing the game because I have this issue. I do enjoy playing with the online stuff though. FH5 feels like a step down with regards to the PC version compared to FH4.
It's so cool seeing the original HTC One still get a casual mention years later. Was such a great phone.
First phone I saved up for and remember just geeking out over the build quality, the seamless glass panel countering into the back super-high quality plastic. Loved that phone. That phone is up there with the Nexus 6P and Palm Pre as my personal nergasmic "I must own this now" feelings :P Still love my first phone, the Palm Centro though
Massive respect to Valve for being open with the drawbacks of the Steam deck. I'll be getting one for sure come the next payslip.
Would you respect someone if they couldn’t count to 3?
@@SuckMyJohnson cry me a river
Major respect to Valve for being this transparent with their product and showing it off before it releases officially. Most companies would try to mask the shortcomings and lie about promises but I'm glad to see that Valve is taking the high road with this one.
Even their teardown video is cool and it's rare nowadays
Valve has set this standard for decades.
Enter Nintendo ! Switch v2 was supposed to be what the first should be and pled should be the first... but knowing Nintendo they are the money hungry company like gamestop
Are you really pretending that Valve have invented the pre-release review?
@@Ovenman940 literally no one claimed that
I feel like Valve really wanted to show what the Deck could and couldn't really do. That's why they gave that certain list of games. To show it's faults.. which is a very good thing IMO.
Edit: this had a like from LTT, but I corrected my grammar and now it disappeared :(
But they omitted any native Linux titles from the preview list ... I get that the big selling point is proton, but I have a large assortment of titles that have native Linux versions and am curious to see what the raw performance of the system is when running native.
@@holdenhodgdon3756 Most probably just because of the embargo, hopefully soon it will be lifted and we can see the true power of this puppy
that's one of the things i love about valve they don't act like their products are perfect like approving games that don't run the best on steam deck and on the index for beat saber saying that the controllers can't keep up with higher bpm songs they really are a down to earth company
@@Dylan-ji1ig the index controllers don't keep up at high bpm songs?!
I never saw someone at the beat saber community complain about tracking loss at higher bpm maps. I also myself didn't notice any tracking issues with the index.
@@BeamDeam yeah for real, i bought the index for beat saber because the tracking issues on psvr were holding me back. absolutely no issues with index controllers
Really excited to see the huge potential with Steam Deck and looking forward to your full review of this device when it releases!
You can technically play God Of War on a portable PC, what a time to be alive.
that was already possible in 2004
One thing I've always wondered why Valve hasn't done yet is integrate community built proton profiles for games. This would be even easier for steam deck since it's one device with the same hardware. Just have a steam deck dedicated proton configuration curated by the community so playing games is significantly more seemless.
develop time.
That's actually an amazing point you made.
:0
Good idea, but if all it takes is one guy setting the wrong values and uploading the config, then the risk of toasted or bricked devices is risky.
Or security risks if doing targeted backdoor exploits in the code.
@Atom Stop with you trash link
9:00 That rubberbanding issue with FH5 is something I've observed on my PC running W10 after around 3h of gametime and a handful of races. Not sure what causes it but I wouldn't be too surprised if that was because of a bug in the game's code.
my PC: AMD Ryzen 5 5600x 16GB RAM RTX3070 & game installed on NVMe
hey same specs and yeah its a issue for me too. Mostly in online.
It's not a bug in the game's code. As others have said, it's a problem with the servers when there's heavy traffic or when too many people try to connect to the same server at once. It was also a problem in FH4 as well.
This exciting to hear. Glad its not a problem on the Deck's end. Hopefully playground resolves the issue especially before the Deck releases 🙄
@@Thebadbeaver9 I doubt it at this point lol, since it's been a problem from the previous game. The only thing they can do at this point I think is to either rebuild their netcodes (highly unlikely, maybe impossible since everything is so tightly integrated already) or just get more/better servers.
I don't get it at all. Ryzen 2600 16 gig RAM B450pro Vega 56. maybe your fancy expensive gear is to blame and not the game?
Good to know Steam Deck is being transparent about this and also fun watching Linus get super hyped about a perfect deck we all dreamed about as a kid…
Well Linus, you just convinced me and I placed the reserve. I did go for the top end model mainly for the anti glare screen. Having a MacBook has taught me it can be a pain while on the move. I am not so concerned about software, given that as far as I’ve heard, you will be able to install any OS of your choosing anyways, so the door is wide open. Thanks for this review !!
curious, what is the expected delivery date for you? I ordered the same model in july and my current expected date is "after Q2 2022"
@@olddeadguy507 same bro, but I’m in Europe
The laser etched glass (just like Apple does on their "nano coating" iMac's) anti-glare screen is so, SOOOOOO worth it!!! It both works WONDERS on a portable device that needs to handle a HUGE variety of lighting conditions, but it ALSO SIGNIFICANTLY improves the contrast & color saturation!
Color space coverage on the Steam Deck's IPS LCD panel is pretty damn mediocre (just ≈70% sRGB), meaning you REALLY want to get as much out of that kind of limited spectrum of colors AS POSSIBLE!
And the anti-glare finish does JUST THAT! Without ANY actual changes to the actual LCD panel itself, colors & blacks just pop WAAAAAAY more on the 512GB model! The colors on the glossy finish models look noticably "washed out" by comparison.
In addition, the ever so slightly softer appearance of the anti-glare finish screen ALSO acts as basically a kind of physical/performance impact free anti-aliasing for the slightly lower than ideal 800p resolution display! Aka jaggies are ever so slightly less "jaggy looking" on the 512GB Deck!
All that being said though, like any kind of matte laser glass etching, you DO lose a little bit of peak brightness to get all these other advantages (ala ≈-30 - 50 nits vs the glossy version, so like ≈450 nits vs ≈490 nits total), but that's a NO-BRAINER trade-off 100 times out of 100, IMO!
Pointless if you'll be installing a screen protector, plus the cheaper versions are a bit more vibrant and bright
@@jimmylim5015 you’d be glad to know I haven’t installed a screen protector then 😂
VERY cool that running off the SD is basically the same experience as the nvme. Not what I would have thought at all!
Yes
I hoped the differences would be relatively small and so I took a gamble and pre-ordered the base model. But I was doubting myself for months I’m kind of stuck not being able to do anything about it. These reviews are so promising.
Absolutely, thrilled with my modest 512GB Sandisk ultra that's still in the box now, patiently waiting for 2/25 😁
@@Foxtechconsultants lol!! I have a sandisk ultra 512gb sitting brand-new in the packaging as well waiting for my steam deck. So glad I took the gamble and went with the base model as the actual game performance is exactly the same as the more expensive one. !!
@@JBanchiere you should've went for the 256gb nvme and switched a 2tb drive. cause if you want a high capacity sd card with high read/write speeds, it can cost more than the steam deck itself. some can cost like 3 times as much.
The fact that Linus, a man that has relatively easy access to a good chunk of some of the greatest and latest tech in the world, and he's SUPER hyped about the Steam Deck and impressed all around with it says a lot.
Not really he's a salesman first and foremost.
@@rustyshackleford3701 No he isn't. He is a critic first and formost.
@@rustyshackleford3701 He is a salesman. He doesn't sell Steamdecks. He sells merch on his website. He runs his own damn company.
@@rustyshackleford3701 100% not a salesman, unless it's his merch. He did his best to do the pros and cons of the steam deck and did amazing.
@@ragefacememeaholic5366 Is this video about Linus' merch or the Steam Deck?
Yes his merch appears shortly but that’s in all of his videos
Great vid! Valve's been developing, and still is, working on proton in the linux world (windows game compatibility with vulkan) for some time now and I gotta say: 1) I'm in love with Valve all over again, 2) Goodbye Windows. Main arch linux for a while now and plays games great even on near 6-ish year old hardware now (MHR, MHW, Warframe. Skyrim, Aliens Fireteam Elite, Dragon ball Z Kakarot, FFXIV online) and run pretty great. I already can't wait to see the next gen steam deck and how much performance and optimizing will be done lol.
edit: and Doom Eternal too.
Great,valve making steam deck cool,after that they can give heavy update for tf 2 right?
Literally just seeing you holding the Steam Deck in your hands with the picture on it looking SO clear and crisp has me astounded
I think the forza rubber banding isn't necessarily the fault of the steam deck, I've had the same problem on a windows PC with an rtx 2070
Same
It's a server issue
Really? Thats super exciting to hear. I haven't played since it came out and I was excited to get back into it on the Deck. Was disappointed to hear it was rubberbanding. Hopefully it can be fixed!
yep, happens on my pc and xbox. its a forza thing.
Ive had it happen on xbox multiple times on fh3
I'm so glad you mentioned Minimum brightness, would love to see it brought up in other devices too. Reviews always talk about MAX brightness, but I find far more pain points when I want a screen to get darker and it just WON'T. Especially mobile devices I use in bed.
hell yeah! any screen i use it set to lowest brightness. some are great and others are almost not useable at certain low brightness settings. really annoying
Just put on sun glasses.
Yeah I'm gonna leave my cozy bed, get a pair of sunglasses and fall asleep with it and wake up to a crushing sound and possibly a bloody pillow
Agree. Even my mobile phones don't get dark enough when I'm in bed at night.
There are some apps/options that virtually lower your screen brightness by lowering the brightness of the images sent to the screen, if that makes any sense.
your analogies....thats the sole reason why i watch your channel" spooning someone taller than you''.....classic and true .
So impressed with Valve. Always loved their work. Hoping that this thing continues their legacy
It's really strange, I said the almost the exact same thing as you about needing a really dim screen at night for another handheld that I am currently editing a review of. Based on your AYA brightness level, it seems like the Deck goes as dark as Odin does.
*_Love your channel, man. Keep up the great work!_*
I agree, a dim screen is really important for a device like this.
which is so great. i love when screens go both very bright and very dim
All I care about is very bright, I have trouble comprehending screens unless they are extremely bright, but my partner gets headaches unless screens are calm and dim, so hopefully it'll be able to do both well as that'll be a win for everyone over here!
Linus: "wtf is an Odin?"
I totally agree with Linus, Valve. Please make a gaming headset lmao. Most gaming headset companies are very mediocre.
God that would be so cool
Hell yes please valve we need it please!
Sennheiser pc38x is an awesome headset
I'd love to see Valve do software and product design and collaborate with an audiophile headphone manufacturer like Beyer-dynamic or PreSonus for the drivers and audio engineering.
Just buy good headphones without the gaming tag and a seperate mic.
The fact is, at THAT price, they’re allowed a few shortcomings for sure. I think from here on, it’s all about the software like linus said. If they can nail that down, it’s an eaaasy purchase.
Yeah, the price is just insane. I'm wondering if they're taking losses.
@@willbe3043 Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony all take hardware losses if I’m not mistaken.
most importantly, if the save game profile can be shared between PC steam and Steam Deck, this is wonderful when i can play game during travel and continue the game on my pc when reach home.
As a long time Forza player the issue you are mentioning about the “rubber band effect” where the game is slowing down/speeding up is a network/game server connection issue. As default you share the open world map with many other real life players even when you might not think your in a “multiplayer” experience.
Is there a way to enjoy it offline?
@@elijah_9392 go solo from the horizon life menu
Is that confirmed? I also encounter that but it's weird that it also affects you as I would think it will only affect the other players from my point of view..
Ive encountered the rubber banding effect in solo and it can absolutely ruin the game. I've had it occur both during races and in free roam. My specs are 10900k, 64gb ram and a 3090... So fair to say it's not the steam decks fault.
@@ericvreeland1362 wtf rich
Pleasantly surprised how open Valve has been with this hardware, and a breath of fresh air to see how open they've been with LMG on what they can and can't show. Cool to see Linus be able to shoot them little emails on the spot and see their responses.
Valve is actually very hard to talk to, they just got special treatment because steam deck is important at the moment
Valve is one of the few companies that are on the gamers side.
They always have been and hopefully they always will be.
Players first, money second.
I think Valve might be gearing up for other companies putting out their own thing and playing the Microsoft Surface game. Set a standard and have others follow suit as they support the 3rd party makers.
So invest now, profit later.
@@DesignIncase could be
Also, as they chose linux instead of windows, that way they're trying to encourage game developers to support linux.
@@pulkitsukhija By continuing to support Linux, and improving Proton, they have a possible weapon against Microsoft who would love nothing more than to have everyone get their software solely through Microsoft Store rather than third-party stores. By improving Linux support, Valve can threaten them with "look, if you won't let people get games through Steam, we'll jump ship and go Linux-exclusive. With the library we have, the gamers will follow us". Of course, Microsoft is trying to build up their own games library by buying up studios...
If we're calling this a gaming PC I'd say it's the most innovative one ever
Wouldn't compete with the switch.... looks like it crushes the "pocket PC' competition
@@Matanumi definitely doesn’t compete with Switch because that’s competing with like 40 years of god-tier exclusive IPs. No competition in that regard and that’s why I’m keeping my OLED Switch AND have the Deck preordered.
@@jublacabra wouldn't the fact that the steam deck can emulate all those god tier IPs make it competitive against the switch in the first place?
@@ae-qw5xi I have to see how well it handles emulation for the Switch. I think everything from GameCube up to PS3, XBOX 360 and Wii U should be fine but I’m holding out judgement on last generation gaming until I get my Deck and can see for myself or others beat me to it.
@@jublacabra i think in theory it should emulate just about everything except ps4 and above decently. i have a GTX 1050ti and i can emulate switch games fine at 1080p, i don't see why the deck wouldn't be able to do the same at a lower resolution. but yeah waiting and seeing is probably the smartest option
Just got mine Sunday and I love it so much
The screen being able to dim a lot is really great, it is the most underrated feature, we always look at peak brightness and sure it is probably the most useful but at least for me there are a lot of times where I want to lower the brightness so it doesnt blind me in a dark situation
yes yes yes !! this is also why apple sucks and android is king.
I agree. This is why I use an extra program on my Laptop (Brightness Slider).
@@maxschmidt666 I thought I was the only one! I use Dimmer to get my screen even darker, the darkest setting on my monitor is still too bright at night!
Can't express how annoying my working laptop is when I work from bed with closed window covers and it just shines into my eyes. Same with my phone but that's at least close to being good.
I wonder if it also has a blue light filter for the evenings?!
I've always thought "I bet in the future we'll have PC graphics on a handheld device". Looks like the future is here, and I'm excited to be part of it.
It’s not going to be long till it’s on your phone too next lol
and the future is in 720p 60 :')
Oh yeah enjoy your low settings, struggling to hit 60fps 😂
Ahh pc fanbois had to just jump in and spoil the vibe.
@@Tushar_Talwar_09 I still think its a great device, and I can understand the resolution, but considering the battery life and the lackluster storage options you could totally get a cheap laptop and a controller for emulating older games
This is so good, I just wish the screen was better.
I was looking to buy one today. Looked for a review video, found this, now confirmed my purchase. Cheers Linus 👍
8:00 Actually sounds like optimization to me to save battery life on games with uncapped framerate.
Might also have to do with the compositor not wanting to render more.
While that does sound great and hopefully is correct, it does make me wonder why Valve wouldn't state this beforehand
Seriously tho .. why the hell go much above 100 fps on something handheld? It just burns power for nothing. Better to cap the thing and save power for longer sessions and more stable gameplay.
@@DatHombre I would guess most end users are simply not even going to want to think about why they're only getting 150fps instead of 300fps on a 60hz screen in a little 2d game.
@@Ormathon why go above 60? The strain on the cpu and GPU ain't worth it in such a form factor
@@aleksandrlapz6729 with framerates a bit higher, you can get more consistent frametimes, which is far mor important then just framerate
regarding Forza Horizon 5:
The following steps helped on Windows:
- disable Multiplayer
- disable battery saving options
This reduced the rubber banding effect.
My friend (RTX 2070, Ryzen 5 2700X) also has the rubber banding issue. It is not exclusive to the Steam Deck. I myself also experience it (i7 9700kf, RTX 3070 Ti), but a lot less.
the rubber banding has happened to me on a series s. I don’t think it’s anything to do with the steam deck or your system and your friends system. It’s probably some weird bug on forza itself. I wouldn’t expect forza and xbox to allow it for happen deliberately on the series s especially it being a “series s” optimised game
Theres an option to disable the game from downloading other drivers liveries in the open world and that actually solved most of problems for me
@@leoz96 I'll try it!
yep, it is happening with FH4 due to network issue
@@leoz96 It worked for both us. Thank you very much!
Can't wait for mine "after Q2" Deck. Also, Ha! DBrand Project Killswitch. Nicely done.
Bought the 512 model with a 1TB SD card and this thing is a game changer!
Emulation, playing AAA games, customization, sound, feel…. etc.
I got a beefy high-end pc, series x, ps5, switch OLED and I rarely touched any of these.
It is that good of a device. Damn Valve really delivered.
Cheers!
In regard to the Dead Cells performance, I wonder if there's some sort of mode that can be set on a per-game basis that basically says "give us the reduced power mode, we don't need more." It definitely wouldn't look good in a straight-up benchmark/performance situation, but if you started comparing battery life, you might see a vastly different story.
There was a leak from a chinese youtuber(?) that showed the steam deck having an FPS limit, performance options, and DSR in its overlay menu. So you will be able to change that, at least manually.
It isn't even bad performance. 140+ fps is way more than the screen refresh rate in handheld mode (60 Hz), and when they enable the dock is still more than the 120 Hz promised in that mode. It seems that the Steam Deck is throttling performance at the top end to save battery, which is EXACTLY what a handheld system should do.
Interestingly, there is a Linux port of Control (the Stadia version) - I wonder if that has an impact at all vs the Dead Cells proton emulator
@@brandongroth4569 Yeah it makes no sense to have 400fps on a 60hz handheld. you're wasting battery life for more frames than the system is capable of showing. Pretty funny that Linus didn't realise what Valve were hinting, I just hope SteamOS has the same benefits for other devices like AYA and OneX's handhelds.
@@brandongroth4569I absolutely agree. (I do have a Steam Deck preorder.) I do think it’s good to understand that strict performance (i.e. FPS) comparisons may not be as straightforward between similar devices. As a result, I’m curious if battery life favors the Steam Deck even more in Dead Cells than it did in… I believe they used Forza Horizon 5? (It’s a bit harder to check that while writing a comment on mobile.)
Ah, the original HTC One. It was a brilliantly designed device that deserves a spot in the hall of fame of industrial design. The genius metal chassis was a novelty that would soon be copied by Apple. The dual speakers and the screen were simply amazing developments. It has left a huge mark on the mobile industry but unfortunately its success is already long forgotten.
I audibly gasped and got misty eyed when he mentioned the HTC One and that the speakers reminded him of that quality. Agreed, it was engineering innovation that has been quickly forgotten
I loved mine, it was just perfect. Soon after Apple copied the design I received comments, that the design of the HTC One is stolen from Apple lmao, good times
Damn I loved that phone. Still my favorite device.
I always wanted a HTC One m8, never could have it
Yeah got an one mini oh my god that phone kicked as Sound wise and haptic wise. Best in market
I'd love to have one of these just to emulate a massive amount of ps1/ps2/n64/gamecube games
Wish I had a use for one of these but I'm really glued to desktop gaming.
Valve is one of the few old gaming companies that I know of that still care about bringing out high quality gaming products, be it software and hardware.
Been a Valve fanboy since Half-Life and will continue supporting this awesome company. Looking forward to the steam deck.
@A Leaf they might not have been commercial successes but they were high quality, or at least pretty innovative
@A Leaf I mean, they all worked, and for the most part quite well. The Steam Controller and Steam Link were both just somewhat niche products that didn't have a huge market, but were still well made and are still supported. The Index is one of the best, if not the best VR headset out there. Sure, the Steam Machine was a huge flop, but it was also nearly 10 years ago. I would say that Valve does in fact have a good reputation for hardware.
@A Leaf without those innovations before this, we wouldn't have this today, be glad that they took risks and released failures
@@null-00000 yes
Failures make you stronger
@@zachbarnes8906 I really liked the controllers and steam links. I am not a console gamer, so I didn't put much time into them, but they felt good to me. I'm kind of disappointed they didn't keep going with those devices. The steam machine was a failure I'd say because one could just build or buy their own machine. It was just selling a more expensive PC, which gamers probably already had. Steam controller, steam link and this new device are more unique and something people could use.
This lag effect in horizon is normal. I sometimes get to see it on my standard windows gaming pc. Its just microsofts way to make lags feel smoother.
It doesnt occur any more since i upgraded from 5700xt 8GB to 6700xt 12GB. The game uses 9 to 10 GB of Vram on Ultra, I think thats what caused the issue...
That's good to hear. When he said that my first thought was"yeah but is it problem with the game or steam deck."
How in the fuck is that normal in a God damn racing game?? How would you drive that with a wheel? The FFB would be literally useless and damaging to car control, Jesus Christ
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I'm curious to see how the game will run with windows installed on the steam deck
Sorry but i would disagree. I cant say anything about the Game because i dont have it.
But i can tell t this Lag is on every Game i have seen when the Stream Deck was shown. Its strange.
I can see a little bit Lag but what is seen here is not normal in my Opinion.
and again… I have said this a few Times before already. It looks strange. I have pointed that out already. But i have no Name. Thats why no one bothers. Which is fine. Doesnt matter. My Point is that it is not only in Forza.
Love the excitement for tech details I don't understand 😎
Not going to lie, I've watched A LOT of videos on the Steam Deck, and the most important thing to me, is the software. I can't wait to see that!
screen brightness is something people underestimate - player experience can get uncomfortable when the screen is overly bright or even just bright... valve putting that much thought into their screen adaptiveness is great
Here's the deal, you know when Linus is THIS excited, its going to be good.
Ergonomics look like the joycon, only worse. This has Xbox “The Duke” controller all over it.
@@MikeLikesChannel I will admit, I so wish those thumbsticks were below the touch pads, but I've felt that way since it was revealed.
@@astrowolfe they’ll revise it in their 2nd generation. This is definitely a first gen effort. And not a bad one, but it’s got pretty big Achilles heels for long gaming sessions.
@@MikeLikesChannel you're probably right, idk though I'm a big guy with big hands so it might not bother me. I cramp up with the Switch in handheld but that's mostly because it's just so small compared to me. Still need to invest in a grip so I can play handheld more frequently.
Thanks for sharing the review! I'm good with no rumble.
this makes me excited for a follow up model of the deck, if this one ends up selling well enough. i work from home so im not quite the targeted consumer but i know a couple buds who travel for work and is excited to get this. hope this gets a lot of support so they can continue innovating on it
This is going to be really big for Linux and handheld gaming.
year of the linux ~desktop~ handheld pc
maybe this my push game developers to port there games to linux natively
@@ltq8842 Indeed! If this thing blows up, That is incentive for devs to bring games to it... And that will equate to those games being able to run on linux across the board.
The part about not caring that it had a few flaws because it was a great machine at an industry destroying price has to be the most honest line I've ever heard. That alone is going to get me to purchase it. It doesn't matter that laying down with it is uncomfortable, it's a handheld PC that can game for under $800. Sign me the f*ck up!
gonna get my 512gb version in 2 weeks. pretty excited :D
It's really to be compared to the switch, which I have and will be replaced by this beauty.
@ImaCoward124 haha that is very likely though. i think many reconsider getting alot of storage since the loading times are so similar with the sd card. but i see myself rather using it on weekends during the day so i wanna have the anti reflection screen cuz i dont wanna live like a vampire haha
@@Donnerbalken_ It's a coin-toss really. I'm planning to get the 512GB and then adding a 512GB SD Card for Roms.
Yeah, I’m selling my switch. This bad boy is too good to pass up.
This is exciting!
Also, Dbrand is always coming in clutch.
Editing mistake in the first 3 seconds, a new record according to RUclips Statistics. You guys have come a really long way, I am super proud of you all
Again, the editor putting in the extra effort to demonstrate the audio buffering lag at around 9:00 just shows how much LTT pays attention to detail. Great job!
The thing about haptics is that I’d much rather have and aggressively priced products over amazing motors.
Even if they are shit in this one, they can definitely improve in future iterations when they are more mass market/famous.
Similar to the DualShock/Duelsense playstation controllers or even the IPhones.
Right, these are PC games for the most part. I only have a few titles that I play with my xbox controller so it's not like i'm used to have vibration in everything even though I do enjoy it when it's there.
Yeah the price is just so amazing that it’s hard to get mad about stuff like that. You can spend 900$ more on the Aya neo pro for better haptics… and lose a ton of computational performance, not a difficult choice to me
Part of me wonders if its even worth waiting for the second generation though. The downsides seem like something they plan to overcome. What sort of changes could be revolutionary that couldn't be done with software or even with some hardware upgrades.
Frankly, I'd rather have no rumble. It's a gimmick and it always has been. I've personally never seen much benefit to it. I turn it off most of the time.
And they had already MASSIVELY improved the haptic feedback experience just through software updates/tweaks by the time it actually launched to customers (in late Feb/early March), just like they promised Linus they would.
It's still nothing to write home about ofc (that would be literally impossible considering the type & size of the motors in the trackpads), but it IS actually "acceptable" now!
I'm positive this is the best and closest thing to a revolution (dare I say) to happen to the industry in a long time. Valve embracing the modding community and encouraging them will change a lot of things within mainstream gaming if this is successful.
I gotta agree with you there
It’s been a long, long, long wait. But my deck is finally in route! 😊
this is real, i follow Linus more than 15 years on internet, and i NEVER see him so excited like in this video, well done Valve
same thought lool
The only other time I saw him this excited was with the Framework Laptop
@@MrCharlieBros was just about to say that, very good on valve and making Linux gaming more accessible to the masses is a wonderful thing too
This is more gaming than tech related but we saw valve pull the best VR game recently
Honestly valve has two modes sleeping lazy mode where they make bank with steam not really making anything new
Or really forwarding new stuff ahead of what currently is expected
They are funny like that
@@kR-qj7rw what game?
I have absolutely no interest in the Steam Deck itself (I don't play handhelds) but I am really interested in the software. If Valve can really pull this off and get not just community support but official support for linux, that can completely change the gaming landscape.
They did, it’s steam OS.
But I just use Mint with steam, your main wall is usually anti cheat being garbage
it will only make a difference if they sell millions and millions and millions of units. Curreently about 1% of steam users use Linux. And many gamedevs are not interested in supporting it. They will have to make true miracles here
@@notsure1613 Yeah and that's the thing here, steam deck is gonna bring support for anti-cheat and things like that
@@notsure1613 i thought most anti cheat is available on linux but the devs of the games have to actually implement it
Yeah, Linux could easily get the new gaming os, game are running up to 30% faster on Linux with proton then on windows. AND if ur playing on Linux u also have 2gb more RAM.
I get mine in like 2 hours. I’m going insane waiting for it
8:45 that rubber banding is the game itself and not the device. Forza horizon 3 and 4 had and has the same thing. But I suspect this is due to the game doing some weird magic to hit a predetermined FPS. I noticed this more when I had played forza horizon 3 on a GTX 950. I think the settings is called frame smoothing.
The excitement for what is a ground breaking piece of hardware oozes out of this preview, nice job Linus, and even better job valve, serious stuff and at that price!! Wow!
Really? Ground breaking? Portable consoles have existed for years, the Deck is nothing new lol. I’d say the Switch was far more “ground-breaking” for being the first hybrid console.
@@dragonfang8670 you're kidding right?
It's not ground breaking 😆 its a modern Sega GameGear
@@thesupreme8062 👆
@@thesupreme8062 it's not ground breaking. Better optimised for today's market maybe, but definitely not ground breaking.
I've been thinking of getting a living room PC but honestly this might be a cheaper and more elegant solution with the dock
that's what I also thought
There were leaks a while back suggesting valve was working on another console besides the deck which is meant to be a living room pc.
I feel like there would be a significantly noticeable difference from 1280x800 on a Steamdeck screen and the same on your TV
@@HyperSnypr AMD FSR is built into the OS for upscaling the res so it should still look pretty decent
@@ernstjunger4674 if they can do the same thing but make a console that will run PC games would be a game changer.
Building a PC right now is so overpriced, it's much better just to buy a PS5/Series X for higher spec gaming.
Valve needs to make an all-in-one affordable PC gaming console, with steam controller V2.
Can't wait for this deck, thats the ultimate gaming experience, PC and handheld combined as one.
How have I not heard about this till now?
I love how Valve just randomly comes into [insert gaming sub-industry or just a game] every 5 or so years and revolutionizes it
Like controllers? Lol
@@seanrhagen their controllers might have bitten the dust, but the ease at which any controller at all can be used through the steam interface to connect seamlessly to the vast majority of games is unmatched by any other pc platform, so at the end of the day i like to think that they got something good out of it
@@seanrhagen as a someone who having a carpal tunnel, Steam controller is a godsend to me.
I can't even use any mouse without having a painful feeling with my wrist.
Use controller like Xbox or PlayStation?
Good luck playing any fast paced FPS games with those controllers.
Yeah their controller is revolutionary enough for me.
Have they done anything since 2003 that can be considered revolutionary?
@@seanrhagen the controller isnt bad specially if u paid 5 bucks for it on the black friday sale. i would rather use it than the playstation controller but thats just me personally. also even if not amazing, no one bats 1.000
Wow, very rare to see Linus praise a product this much and I totally agree with it
What was your hands-on experience like?
seems almost scripted, like and ad.
@@bluevalien it is scripted. And its a review.
@@Thebadbeaver9 I know and I understand, the commentary usually feels more improvised; it seems too scripted for this channel. I'm excited too but it can't be perfect. (can it?) I have my pre-order and I'm watching the tear down now, I'm 100% on-board but I'm always skeptical when I see "perfect" reviews.
@@Thebadbeaver9 An exclusive personal invitation and a few hours hands-on and things they're still not allowed to talk about? Yeah still slap "review" in the title, about par for the course.
I'm sure it's a great product, but this video lost a lot of credibility for me the moment he called it the biggest innovation in decades to enter into a market full of existing products and use your larger private bank account to undercut everyone.
That rubber banding effect on Forza is a result of the game servers not syncing correctly. I used to get that a lot when the game first launched and they were having trouble with their online services.
So are you saying it's been patched?
It's cool that in future the potential for portable gaming PC with good battery and PC like performance without compromise while in portable life is high
Linus looks genuinely excited
Linus is also still riding that Framework high.
Who wouldn't be?
@@agolloh Just so you know, time bucks and other RUclipsrs are well known to make very generic comments on many multiple popular videos. They're all spamming, and simply name dropping the channel's name in their genetic comments
years of practice
It is BS. Het got a free deck so he is just paying them back
Forza Horizon 5 has a lot of issues, especially network-related ones that make playing with friends or even forming convoys nearly impossible and certainly unplayable. So I wouldn’t worry too much on the Steam Deck’s performance specifically.
Yeah, I've got a 3080 and sometimes deal with the rubber banding. Definitely not the steam decks fault. (Also does it on my 1060 laptop).
Most issues were patched a while ago.
yeah forza games love to be weird... expecially if you're going faster than like 200mph, with whole chunks of the map just Not rendering... (but there's also the wild chance that its my old Xbox showing its age.)
@@greytheneko5351 linus didn't even mention that it looks like they took his advice and made the vent at te back larger
Yeah this hasn't been true for months. At launch sure, but this has all been patched for a while. Some people still report weird rubber banding (like shown in the video) or stuttering on RTX 3000 cards, but by and large the game is in a great state for nearly everyone
It's fun seeing Linus get truly excited.
I reserved for it, and I am very very excited for it to come out
Linus getting the hands-on experience firsthand and watching it made me feel like a younger sibling who sees his elder sibling play games again. You can't help but want to join in
With regard to the SD card, be sure to get a high class and speed card. Chances are most microSD cards are actually the bottlenecks for file speeds.
Is it possible to get a microsd to sata adapter
and NOT a sandisk
Which one would you recommend exactly?
@@GigantTech Not easy if it exists. It's a pro diy thing. from Toms hardware 2018
"EMMC socket TO SATA exists. SD cards have EMMC chips on them, by looking at the pinout and the SD card Layout , I can do my own board. Got this help from a professional Site."
If you can design and make your own board, go right ahead. There does not seem to be anything on the market that would be anything less than a bodge.
edit; The steamdeck is supposed to have usb-c, so maybe you can velcro an enclosure for sata to the back. I don't know if this would work.
Doesn’t matter. The deck doesn’t support high speed SD cards.
I have a question about battery life: How long can you expect the battery to last if you're using it at home, and decide to use it as a terminal device instead of a standalone device and remote-play from your desktop?
Battery life 2-8 hours
I'm just here for the crazy homebrew support for this thing
And it's not even complicated as it's an open system with no arbitrary restrictions :)
The pricing is wild. Especially taking into account, that aside from hardware, a TON of manpower & $$$ went into software... New era for Linux gaming lol
I was stunned last year that I could play the Master Chief Collection on my linux machine. I love what Valve is doing with Proton and it just keeps getting better
Yeah compared to the aya neo that is still overpriced compared to this steam deck lol.
They are most definitely selling at a loss just like major consoles. They make the small difference back in game sales.
@@Altiveda i mean its a storefront, they're getting money from other sources too
@@Altiveda Well, the difference between switch/ps5/xbox and deck is that there won't be new store with games for it. Imo they won't make NEW money based off that (there won't be increased price to play on it).
Meaning they kind of do it from their own pocket
This is almost the perfect handheld in this size class for the current state of tech. It's just too good! The buttons are capacitive, too!
I wonder if that'll be used in video games to great effect, in terms of a distinction between pressing the button and I guess I don't know dabbing the button.
@@theinsfrijonds Considering most controllers out there don't have fully capacitive buttons, probably not.
It's more likely Valve will add their own software layer to add capactive functionality, like how just touching the right stick activates gyro-aiming.
Why wouldn't the buttons be capacitive, all the indecies buttons/joysticks are too.
except the ergonomics looks shit.
@@anab0lic the ergonomics look nice to me, the only thing that looks like it has bad positioning is the back paddles or whatever the heck they're called again. It looks like id have to move my hand to reach them, and my hands are smol
Hey Linus
I saw a news article that hinted that valve released the CAD files so you can 3D print new shells yourself
12:01 missed opportunity to make a portal joke
That issue in horizon 5 used to be on my series X as well. I always thought it had something to do with the internet as it's been gone since the online service of that game has settled down.
It looks like some kind of rubber-banding, so maybe network lag compensation?
I have slow internet, it definitely is network lag. I guarantee it'll go away when he switches to Horizon Solo
I guess you already know but the Forza rubberbanding was also present in FH4 on my 32gb ram, gtx1060, Ryzen pc on any detail or resolution setting. That's deffo not an issue with the steamdeck
Check if you had "framerate smoothing" enabled
@@sudo008 will do once I am able to get back to my pc. Thanks for the suggestion!
i have this problem too on 16gigs of ram, an 3600X and a 3080. every 1-3 hours it starts and gets every minute worse with drops below 20 fps - very nice if you are in an long race...
@@BreakOutChillerReal do you have vsync or framerate smoothing
@@marlon.8051 freesync monitor using gsync with the gpu and aditional vsync at the nvidia system control if it goes beyond 144 (monitor max hz) - it goes perfectly smooth with about 100 - 120 fps but at some point it starts like in the video - and gets worse and worse, till i restart the game
I can’t wait to get my hands on one of these
I'll definitely be keeping an eye on this one; being able to play my steam games away from the pc would be awesome, though I am concerned the device may be awkward in my grasp; got very small hands ✋