Nice to see the Super10 getting some attention. My bike is my only vehicle, groceries, dates, trips, work and play. I don't have time for bike gremlins, I don't have time for tubeless tires (going to work and having to remove the wheel and tire to patch a tube, no) I go 2 up with luggage no problem. Major service 42000kms ! This a no BS bike. Bikes are like women, some you love and marry, some you date because they're exciting but leave you poor and frustrated.😏
Spot on. You need to spend time on the ST ES to understand it. It is an exceptional product and is much more capable and fun to ride than most people know. There's a reason it's still in their lineup since 2010, and is largely the same bike. Nailed it. I have a '22 ES and I like it more every time I ride it.
ST owner here. Best motorcycle I’ve ever owned. Cruise control, shaft drive, tubeless wheels and an ULTRA reliable under stressed engine that will go 200,000 miles with proper maintenance. Yeah it’s not a Dualsport meant to rip through trails. I look at the ST as a touring bike that can comfortably attack gravel roads, city streets and hop curbs.
@@DifferentSpokesTV They aren’t technically standard. They are a plug and play kit from Yam for $400 and they are controlled native through the dash when you plug them in
@@IRLtrolls They are standard on the Electronic Suspension bikes after the 2015 or 2016 update IIRC. Then they eliminated the base version in the USA (2020 or 2021) and only offer the ES version so it is technically standard for the last few years.
@@DifferentSpokesTV not really! I abused that bike! Road it in 2 KTM rally’s here in BC. At least 80000km of all FSR 2 tracks and single. I always have to sell a bike to afford another. Sold to a friend and he sold it to another. See it around town.
I've owned a '15 S10 for a couple years and have ridden from my home in the Midwest to Utah to do light BDR -type riding the last two years. It's fantastic and a genuinely great all-around bike. I really appreciate the lower tech and basic electronics. The engine is proven and seriously under-stressed. And as long as you respect the weight and choose your lines carefully, it does just fine on dirt. Even sand is doable with the right tires. Overall, the value proposition of the big Tenere really can't be overstated.
I purchased a new ‘23 ST about 3 weeks ago. It was between the ST and the Africa Twin Base. Different spokes review of the ST played a part in my decision to pick the Yamaha. Your insights about the ST are on point and I couldn’t agree more. Glad to be back on a big ADV. Subbed
The ST definitely does better on the road than the AT and comes with more standard equipment. It's also nice that you can go around the planet before you need a valve adjustment.
I never actually considered a Super Tenere. But it now seems like a great choice for a really long distance cross continent adventure ride. Great video, as usual!
The super Tenere is a road bike, any kind of road, but is a road bike. I know because I own a 2020, and I have many long distance trips on my bike. It is fantastic in the mountains. I would not and have not ridden the Super Tenere off road very much. It is a road bike, and a blast in the mountains. One thing I find amusing is these reviewers calling the Super Tenere under powered. How fast do you need to get up to 60? 3.2 seconds isn’t quick enough? GMAFB
Super Ten, 10/10 for best value and features among big touring bikes. It was really Yam's answer to GS. Cruise, TC, UBS, ABS, ES, heat grips, shaft, 200 mile range (if not abusing it). I've riden that mule through crazy storms that smaller bikes could hardly make it (one time Versys 300 couldn't keep up over 50mph due to wind so, I had to push to 85 in pouring rain from tail of group to slow it down.) I've done up to 550 miles days. It starts stretching legs after 70mph and jumps over 100 before u check speedo. Even on street tires it surprised me how good it is on dirt and even some rough trails in Big Bend. It is a hog for every day use but, it can do everything if you can handle it. It often goes on deep sale. Got my brand new 2018 for $16k USD on the road.
Long time super t rider. Ridden year round in Minnesota as primary commuter and across the country on long hauls coast to coast. Well over 100k miles. Have other bikes, and had an FJR. Once thought about trading for a KTM, but the super t is stupid reliable, handles well, gets me down fire roads, never misses a stitch. For my purposes, reliability is important, and though I love the KTM, thoroughbreds are finicky. I'll stick with the T. One day I'll have to replace it, but the way it runs, we'll all be electric by that time.
Your review of the Super T has impressed me! I ride the Tiger 1200, and it is an amazing bike. I never ride "off road" on gravel and pavement. My only complaint is the lack of dealers in Ontario. Well, actually, in Korth America. Like you, I have an Enduro bike in the garage, and I use thay for all of my off-road adventures. So, to answer your question, my preference is a big ADV paired with an enduro covers all bases. However, there are times that I would love to have a T7 or a Toureg, but the insurance on another road bike is too expensive for me. Great video. Thanks again Dave "Tiger "Coward
I'd go for the SuperT. But that's because I'm more interested in a sport/turing bike than an ADV. Actually I'd do the same as you suggest; a Super T for my road bike and a 300-500 Japanese dual sport for off road. Closer to 300 than 500. Once you turn off the main road the lighter bike is always best.
I wish they sold them kitted like that at the 14,200 USD price comparison you made here in The States. They have no bags, no luggage racks, no engine guards (unless you mean the plastic bumpers on the side or the splash guard on the bottom). Just the bike with the standard center stand (because you are supposed to use when adjusting the rear electronic suspension) and it is priced at $14,500 to full MSRP at $16,299 USD, plus you'll pay sales tax and registration for whatever state/county you register the bike in. I bought used for this reason, because the low buzz/interest in the bike caused by the stat sheet not being best in class leads to it being more affordable in a gently used flavor. A kitted out used Super T can be had for less than $10K USD. There are more color options in the used market as well.
Great review, I wish you would talk about the character of the engines and not just about the power. Everyone talks about how great the cp2 engine is, but no one talks about the big bore 1200. Why? I would love to hear your take on this matter...
Sorry, didn't want the vid to be too long. The CP2 is great and the SuperT engine is similar but even more so. Same 270 degree crank and v-twin sound but it feels like a big v-twin. Torque all day but can still rev out.
All depends on your needs and likes. I think, of the two, the T7 would check more boxes for me at the moment. If I planned on anything 2-up, that is an instant flip to the Super.
Honestly, that is amazing price that you have in Canada. For the same money in Europe you would find Super10 that is second hand (not possible to buy a new one), probably 8-12 years old and some mileage for sure...not even getting the boxes. If you are in the market for a shaft drive adventure bike with 19 inch front wheel (which is maybe the best combo if you drive 90% on the pavement) this is perfect deal. Even more underappreciated in this category would be the Honda VFR 1200 X Crosstourer with DCT. It comes with 15 kg (30 lbs) more but it has the DCT gearbox and incredible V4 engine. Probably a bike that will become rare classic in 20/30 years.
I'm pondering with getting either of these. But then again. I have beater 2000 XT600e that is excellent on nearby trails, but seriously lacks on km munching. I suppose Super T would be more suitable option for me as I'm going to keep that old XT.
Yes, if you need a pavement bike the SuperT is the better choice. This week I'll put out a video on the T7 off road. It can do some amazing things but the XT600 is so much lighter it's probably better.
ST hands-down. I don't off-road so that's an easy choice. But - and I'm NOT one of them - there are some talented riders who can make the ST rip on really gnarly stuff with just a tire change. My '22 ES just seems to get better every time I ride it.
Thanks, I'm looking at trading my Z1000 in on something a bit more in keeping with a 74 year old rider and still have a bit of poop and "picking up" ability. Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.
@@DifferentSpokesTV Exactly, hardly, if any, big Adv, look as neat as those younger siblings ( a slight exception might be 1290 SAR, but it is subjective of course)
Ha, ha! No secrets. I ride the Northumberland forest around my house and the ATV trails and singletrack in the Madawaska Valley and Algonquin Park. You can access the park through Basin Depot road north of Barry's Bay.
@DifferentSpokesTV semi familiar with the area. But I'm coming from the other side. Ottawa based. Takes a few hours to get to the eastern borders of Algonquin.
Super Tenere is unfortunately heavily overshadowed by BOTH Honda Africa Twin and Yamaha's own Tracer 9 and Tracer 10 GT. The former is better off road and the later two is better on-road.
As a Super Tenere owner I have to disagree. Depends on what generation Africa Twin you’re talking about. Brand new AT 1100 is not a fair comparison. Two completely different generations of motorcycles. But a 2014+ ST vs a first generation AT is a fair comparison and the ST beats it in every possible way except off-road performance mostly gained through a 21in front wheel. ST has tubeless wheels, cruise control and shaft drive. I just got home from a 2,000 mile trip with my buddy on his AT and his chain came off and got bent all to shit and costs us two days of ride time to get a new chain put one. The ST is meant to cross the planet. It’s more comfortable and more reliable than the first gen AT.
While the T7 is no looker imho, the Super T has to be one of the ugliest bikes on sale today. If I were someone at Yamaha, I would put the CP3 engine and a new fascia. So, an all new bike.
Nice to see the Super10 getting some attention. My bike is my only vehicle, groceries, dates, trips, work and play. I don't have time for bike gremlins, I don't have time for tubeless tires (going to work and having to remove the wheel and tire to patch a tube, no) I go 2 up with luggage no problem. Major service 42000kms ! This a no BS bike. Bikes are like women, some you love and marry, some you date because they're exciting but leave you poor and frustrated.😏
Excellent metaphor. Yamahas are the marrying type for sure.
Spot on. You need to spend time on the ST ES to understand it. It is an exceptional product and is much more capable and fun to ride than most people know. There's a reason it's still in their lineup since 2010, and is largely the same bike. Nailed it. I have a '22 ES and I like it more every time I ride it.
ST owner here. Best motorcycle I’ve ever owned. Cruise control, shaft drive, tubeless wheels and an ULTRA reliable under stressed engine that will go 200,000 miles with proper maintenance.
Yeah it’s not a Dualsport meant to rip through trails. I look at the ST as a touring bike that can comfortably attack gravel roads, city streets and hop curbs.
Yep, and I forgot to mention the standard heated grips.
@@DifferentSpokesTV They aren’t technically standard. They are a plug and play kit from Yam for $400 and they are controlled native through the dash when you plug them in
I think the Canadian model comes with them installed.
@@IRLtrolls They are standard on the Electronic Suspension bikes after the 2015 or 2016 update IIRC. Then they eliminated the base version in the USA (2020 or 2021) and only offer the ES version so it is technically standard for the last few years.
10 year ST owner here. It's an awesome bike. Solid, reliable, and fun
Couldn't agree more!
The super T is a great value for money and the service interval is second to none. Nice thorough presentation!
Yeah, I think it's 40,000km between valve adustments.
Owned a Super Tenere ES for 5 years. Put
160000k on it. Loved the bike. I own a T7 now. Miss my ST!
They are great bikes for sure. You get a lot for ur money with a ST.
@@DifferentSpokesTV not really! I abused that bike! Road it in 2 KTM rally’s here in BC. At least 80000km of all FSR 2 tracks and single. I always have to sell a bike to afford another. Sold to a friend and he sold it to another. See it around town.
I've owned a '15 S10 for a couple years and have ridden from my home in the Midwest to Utah to do light BDR -type riding the last two years. It's fantastic and a genuinely great all-around bike. I really appreciate the lower tech and basic electronics. The engine is proven and seriously under-stressed. And as long as you respect the weight and choose your lines carefully, it does just fine on dirt. Even sand is doable with the right tires. Overall, the value proposition of the big Tenere really can't be overstated.
I purchased a new ‘23 ST about 3 weeks ago. It was between the ST and the Africa Twin Base. Different spokes review of the ST played a part in my decision to pick the Yamaha. Your insights about the ST are on point and I couldn’t agree more.
Glad to be back on a big ADV. Subbed
The ST definitely does better on the road than the AT and comes with more standard equipment. It's also nice that you can go around the planet before you need a valve adjustment.
I'm on my 3rd super tenere just love them
I own a 2022 ST ES, and I love it.
Highways ✅️
Twisties ✅️
Gravel roads ✅️
Powerful ✅️
Comfort ✅️
Features ✅️
Sand ⚠️
Mud ⚠️
GREAT BIKE!!🏆🥇
Yeah, it's not really a great bike for loose surfaces. But everywhere else it's awesome.
I never actually considered a Super Tenere. But it now seems like a great choice for a really long distance cross continent adventure ride. Great video, as usual!
I have one. It’s the best value adventure tourer you can get. $7-9,000 and you have a legitimate glob trotting motorcycle
Thanks! Yeah, Yamaha's problem is that a lot of people don't know that this bike is still for sale.
After putting 80,000 miles on my 2012 S10 I acquired a '14. I must have liked it. Was a great bike for recent 9500 mile trip in Mexico.
The super Tenere is a road bike, any kind of road, but is a road bike. I know because I own a 2020, and I have many long distance trips on my bike. It is fantastic in the mountains. I would not and have not ridden the Super Tenere off road very much. It is a road bike, and a blast in the mountains.
One thing I find amusing is these reviewers calling the Super Tenere under powered. How fast do you need to get up to 60? 3.2 seconds isn’t quick enough? GMAFB
Super Ten, 10/10 for best value and features among big touring bikes. It was really Yam's answer to GS. Cruise, TC, UBS, ABS, ES, heat grips, shaft, 200 mile range (if not abusing it). I've riden that mule through crazy storms that smaller bikes could hardly make it (one time Versys 300 couldn't keep up over 50mph due to wind so, I had to push to 85 in pouring rain from tail of group to slow it down.) I've done up to 550 miles days. It starts stretching legs after 70mph and jumps over 100 before u check speedo. Even on street tires it surprised me how good it is on dirt and even some rough trails in Big Bend. It is a hog for every day use but, it can do everything if you can handle it. It often goes on deep sale. Got my brand new 2018 for $16k USD on the road.
Long time super t rider. Ridden year round in Minnesota as primary commuter and across the country on long hauls coast to coast. Well over 100k miles. Have other bikes, and had an FJR. Once thought about trading for a KTM, but the super t is stupid reliable, handles well, gets me down fire roads, never misses a stitch. For my purposes, reliability is important, and though I love the KTM, thoroughbreds are finicky. I'll stick with the T. One day I'll have to replace it, but the way it runs, we'll all be electric by that time.
Year round in Minnesota is a pretty impressive feat.
Your review of the Super T has impressed me!
I ride the Tiger 1200, and it is an amazing bike. I never ride "off road" on gravel and pavement. My only complaint is the lack of dealers in Ontario. Well, actually, in Korth America.
Like you, I have an Enduro bike in the garage, and I use thay for all of my off-road adventures.
So, to answer your question, my preference is a big ADV paired with an enduro covers all bases.
However, there are times that I would love to have a T7 or a Toureg, but the insurance on another road bike is too expensive for me.
Great video.
Thanks again
Dave "Tiger "Coward
Thanks! Yes, a big ADV and an enduro pretty much do everything you need. The T7 off-road video is coming out this weekend.
@@DifferentSpokesTV Great.
Thanks! I always enjoy your channel !! Be safe
Thanks 👍
I'd go for the SuperT. But that's because I'm more interested in a sport/turing bike than an ADV. Actually I'd do the same as you suggest; a Super T for my road bike and a 300-500 Japanese dual sport for off road. Closer to 300 than 500. Once you turn off the main road the lighter bike is always best.
If you added a Trail Tech Pro to the ST you would have everything and more the other bikes have on their dashes. In full color even.
Love my Super Ten!
I wish they sold them kitted like that at the 14,200 USD price comparison you made here in The States. They have no bags, no luggage racks, no engine guards (unless you mean the plastic bumpers on the side or the splash guard on the bottom). Just the bike with the standard center stand (because you are supposed to use when adjusting the rear electronic suspension) and it is priced at $14,500 to full MSRP at $16,299 USD, plus you'll pay sales tax and registration for whatever state/county you register the bike in.
I bought used for this reason, because the low buzz/interest in the bike caused by the stat sheet not being best in class leads to it being more affordable in a gently used flavor. A kitted out used Super T can be had for less than $10K USD. There are more color options in the used market as well.
Great review, I wish you would talk about the character of the engines and not just about the power. Everyone talks about how great the cp2 engine is, but no one talks about the big bore 1200. Why? I would love to hear your take on this matter...
Sorry, didn't want the vid to be too long. The CP2 is great and the SuperT engine is similar but even more so. Same 270 degree crank and v-twin sound but it feels like a big v-twin. Torque all day but can still rev out.
I owned a Super T ….. first time I passed a car on a back road I looked down and I was doing a buck forty…heavy and fast…sold it to do single track
Right... so, I should buy the Super or both. Thanks!
All depends on your needs and likes. I think, of the two, the T7 would check more boxes for me at the moment. If I planned on anything 2-up, that is an instant flip to the Super.
Yeah, the SuperT could definitely cross the country two up.
Hey,you survived that log truck both times!
Ha, ha! That's why I prefer to go in there on weekends because you mostly have those log roads to yourself.
Honestly, that is amazing price that you have in Canada. For the same money in Europe you would find Super10 that is second hand (not possible to buy a new one), probably 8-12 years old and some mileage for sure...not even getting the boxes. If you are in the market for a shaft drive adventure bike with 19 inch front wheel (which is maybe the best combo if you drive 90% on the pavement) this is perfect deal. Even more underappreciated in this category would be the Honda VFR 1200 X Crosstourer with DCT. It comes with 15 kg (30 lbs) more but it has the DCT gearbox and incredible V4 engine. Probably a bike that will become rare classic in 20/30 years.
Yeah, the VFR 1200 X nevermore it to Canada. It's a great long range tourer for sure.
Very cool comparo. Thought I'd hit a fold in the spacetime continuum when I saw Super Tenere & maybe I have....
Yes, not a lot of people know that they're still for sale.
Great job, sir 👏
Thank you kindly!
I'm pondering with getting either of these. But then again. I have beater 2000 XT600e that is excellent on nearby trails, but seriously lacks on km munching. I suppose Super T would be more suitable option for me as I'm going to keep that old XT.
Yes, if you need a pavement bike the SuperT is the better choice. This week I'll put out a video on the T7 off road. It can do some amazing things but the XT600 is so much lighter it's probably better.
ST hands-down. I don't off-road so that's an easy choice. But - and I'm NOT one of them - there are some talented riders who can make the ST rip on really gnarly stuff with just a tire change. My '22 ES just seems to get better every time I ride it.
Thanks, I'm looking at trading my Z1000 in on something a bit more in keeping with a 74 year old rider and still have a bit of poop and "picking up" ability. Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.
Glad I could help. Take care.
Interesting video, thank you 👍
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks for that excellent video. :)
My pleasure!
Maybe you said,but is the Super T in the video the current model? If so,man that thing looks outdated! Really like the T7’s looks!
It has been almost entirely unchanged from 2014
Yes it's a 2023. The T7 definitely looks better, but in fairness none of the big ADV bikes look very good.
@@DifferentSpokesTV
Exactly, hardly, if any, big Adv, look as neat as those younger siblings ( a slight exception might be 1290 SAR, but it is subjective of course)
S10 is a true do it all bike
New Moto Guzzi Stelvio?
Yeah, that's a great bike. The SuperT is the closest bike to my old Stelvio 1200 NTX.
Isn't this, the 60 mil$ question ❓
I wish I could get only one of the two.. a "hybrid" 😊
T10 but 130 lbs lighter.
T7 but if you're doing highways get a 10 yo one with 30.000/40.000km.on it. €8000/€9000, will last you a lifetime.
Yeah, but do the older ones have Cruise? To me that is important if you're doing a lot of highway droning.
I made my choice. F900GS. I need your trails. Ever consider a viewer meetup and give away your secrets?!
Ha, ha! No secrets. I ride the Northumberland forest around my house and the ATV trails and singletrack in the Madawaska Valley and Algonquin Park. You can access the park through Basin Depot road north of Barry's Bay.
@DifferentSpokesTV semi familiar with the area. But I'm coming from the other side. Ottawa based. Takes a few hours to get to the eastern borders of Algonquin.
It's two hours to Barry's Bay, then you go north on Paugh Lake road to Basin Depot. Then another good stretch in the park. Plan the whole day.
That is definitely a doable trip. But yeah, also definitely a full day.
Thanks!
Super tenere needs a redesign.
It needs an update for sure. But if they redo it the price will go up by a lot.
For me Super Tenere ES
Nice bike's, Too bad "They" don't seem interested in producing/selling them in them as more than an afterthought.
Super Tenere is unfortunately heavily overshadowed by BOTH Honda Africa Twin and Yamaha's own Tracer 9 and Tracer 10 GT. The former is better off road and the later two is better on-road.
As a Super Tenere owner I have to disagree. Depends on what generation Africa Twin you’re talking about. Brand new AT 1100 is not a fair comparison. Two completely different generations of motorcycles.
But a 2014+ ST vs a first generation AT is a fair comparison and the ST beats it in every possible way except off-road performance mostly gained through a 21in front wheel.
ST has tubeless wheels, cruise control and shaft drive. I just got home from a 2,000 mile trip with my buddy on his AT and his chain came off and got bent all to shit and costs us two days of ride time to get a new chain put one.
The ST is meant to cross the planet. It’s more comfortable and more reliable than the first gen AT.
Yeah I'm talking about AT1000
Yeah, the Tracers are endangering the SuperT and the FJR1300 both.
While the T7 is no looker imho, the Super T has to be one of the ugliest bikes on sale today.
If I were someone at Yamaha, I would put the CP3 engine and a new fascia. So, an all new bike.
Yes, there have been some rumours of a Tenere 900 but completely unsubstantiated yet.
I am riding a Yamaha FJR. Awesome bike for touring. But I was really hoping to pickup a Super T. For my riding style. Touring and rough road. 😊