The box size does affect the power handling. But this homie has it backwards, the smaller the enclosure the more power a sub can handle. The bigger the box the deeper the sub will play.
That is right .... the big the cabinet the deeper the bass going too be... get some folded horn cabinets... Yes they are some very large cabinet.... but if you want your bass too hit deep... Get you a better power amplifier... Qsc , Crest audio, Crown....etc
Your concept may be right but he did the test we listen to it he'll listen to it and he gave his honest take on the three and that test is based on his equipment
I recently purchased peavey lomax 18 and can tell you that I am very impressed with the bass output especially the deep bass. This subwoofer needs longer ports for deeper bass tuning than most other Pa speakers. This hits low like a car competition subwoofer. Does not need big box. Tried in 6 cup ft box then 4.5 cu ft box and noticed more spl from the 4( more hard hitting bass) and more.low end rumble from the 6 cup ft.
There are a few factors here. enclosures being one of them . The one size fits all does no service here! you need the proper enclosures to utilize the Peavys proper performance. The peavey is more powerful in performance than the other to woofers. As you go up in power handling the sensitivity of the coil tends to go down a little giver or take. As the adhesive on the coils are stronger higher temp and thicker in coating. This helps to resist thermal melt down at higher watt levels. this means you Need to push it more than the other 2 for equal out put. The other two subs are at the same power rating which makes it a little more fair in that performance perspective. The second factor is the Peavey low maxx has a lower FS. and in the right enclosure can do play well in to the 20s! with a lower FS This tends to shift the peaky response of the driver down to a lower ranges. Higher FS drivers are more peaky and aggressive in tonality. This is a live sound standard. With The lower FS drivers, the trade off here is low end extension in bandwidth. The Vega is higher FS as well as the b52. You should have used one source location to try all the woofers in one location! As this will help the wave patterns to be more precise in the same listing location. Point sourcing the cabinets in one place preferably in a wide open place with little to know buildings This will give you a better listening of the drivers with less destructive interference's for a better listing judgment.
I have qsc rmx 505O power amplifier and qsc plx 3402 power amplifier and qsc rmx 2450... Behringer nuke 6000 is garbage... I also have a Crest Audio 8001 power.... you could do better than that with a Behringer?
Your amp isn't powerful enough, it's only giving out 1600 watts top, instead of the 2400/4800w peak the speaker can take. Not a fair test as the Peavey didn't get it's peak power
Low Pass filter built into the speaker? Could try testing some 10, 20, 30hz signal off you tube. Find out what going on there.. Allso test around bass high end 150, 160, 200hz signal. I'd go with the vega for me. But im looking at a dual sub like the dual 18 Wharfdale delta 30hz low end on those but crossover is 120hz.. Ideal sub would crossover around 180hz and have low end of 25/30hz I say ideal because 140hz-170hz are the bass frequency's that hit your chest so you want your sub to hit them frequency!
You said at 0:22 the Peavey driver is rated at 2,400 watts with the right enclosure but you're wrong the driver will take 1,200 watts AES continuous for 2 hours, also the right enclosure doesn't make a different to speaker wattage. The wattage is a power rating for what a speaker driver can handle, not what it can output, what it can output is rated in decibels. Plus those ports on your sub look too small for the 8.25mm Xmax the driver has. For high Xmax drivers you need very large ports and then you tune the enclosure to a resonant frequency by adjusting the port depth inside the enclosure. Plus one reason the Cerwin Vega might sound better is because the enclosure was designed for it, you HAVE to use speaker enclosure design software and input the driver's thiele small parameters into the software when you wanna upgrade your subs drivers. Believe it or not, not every equivilent sized driver sounds just as good in that enclosure. The enclosure internal volume, port size and port depth all are VERY important things to take into account.
AES rating is not RMS. AES is Pink Noise Rating, it is very different than RMS value. Why Hartley gives AES values to the public is beyond me, it's only valuable to engineers for burn ins. The The Volume and porting can effect power handling, but doubt the enclosure he was using was very far off.
Why not? I run 4,000 watt Single Coil Pro Woofers by Eminence right now... Hartley used to under rate his speakers all the time for warranty reasons.. His SP5's had Scorpions 15" that listed 800watt watt ratings when the raw woofer only showed 200w /400w max. I know for a fact the 3020HT's would easily handle 1400 watts each all day long even though the cabs said 200 watts AES, 400 watts Music Program Max. I ran them for over 10 years during the 80's and 90's, and were the absolute best sounding Concert Speakers Made compared to component crap made today. Only flaw were the Crossovers, which was easily fixable with higher grade parts.
That would be pink noise. It means running the same frequency nonstop, so no cooling. 2400 would be what you set your system to, and it has 4800w peak, for those rare ocations songs have an extra kick. That's why all speakers have 3 wattage ratings, in this case 1200/2400/4800, with that being Continuos (pink noise), RMS, and Peak.
4800 watts peak Program, We actually ran them at 6kW for over 2 hours continuous at stadiums arenas with music. And Ratings are for Music, AES wattage is only used by Engineers. It doesn't matter how much "kick" a song has in it, its music, its Program Ratings, not Electrical Peak Ratings, like you are thinking they are. There are a lot of Factors involved in what the true electrical rating is on a transducer. I trusted my suppliers when they told me they were rated 4.8kW all day long and placed that rating for warranty reasons and that 6kW would be a reasonable input for a 2 hour operation.
Good video bro!!!such well behaved cute babies in the background....all peavey raw.subs come with specs.and information on building the right enclosure..I suggest that you follow through and have one enclosure built then you will see the true performance of your peavey raw subs...also included are port size and length as well as material...keep us posted! love watching your vids bro.
You can put a 6k watt or $2,000 driver in those cabinets and it won’t sound any different from what you have in front of you right now , those boxes were not built on the specifications of those drivers which is why you can’t tell a difference with them , and I promise you that peavey is disappointing you because you put it in a box that it wasn’t intended to be in . You build a box and have it tuned specifically for that driver and I guarantee it will be louder than all 3 together in those boxes you have now . It’s all about power and enclosures .
eso es correcto amigo los low max no estan hechas para esas cajas tan pequeñas y eso afecta su rendimiento las intense los parlantes en realidad son eminence omega de 1000w no creo que estos parlantes suenen mas duro que los low max. saludos desde venezuela
Also this speaker needs power. Running it off a crown powertech 3 bridged. 1500 rms!!!. That is crown power. I doubt your behringer power comes close. Those things ratings are peak power and very deceiving ratings. The crown on the other hand is conservative
The low max can't be used that way, it's kind of a fail.... each one of those subwoofers is made so take up a certain cubic feet of room for maximum Excursion
Question were all the boxes dimensions the same if not can you tell me them I like the box of the cerwin & peavy box they were longer front to back! Correct
I have lomax in 8 scoop folded horn enclosures. Im tying 2 in series making 4 sets and phased properly and accordingly. Dude, you cant burn em out and they will pull cement off of a building if done properly. I would do more research before sending them back. If you can push em full tilt in series paired 4 times you'll be like WHOAH !
Putting a speakers in a box it's not designed for is like dropping a Mustang V8 to a Volkswagen Golf. Without recalibrating the rest of the car, it won't be pretty.
Good vid. I just wanted to see the Cerwin Vega in a real life environment. Unfortunately, you cannot tell how loud or much different from a video. The mic on whatever you used to record is getting blown out. Liked Video!
You have no ideea abaut sound or how a speaker works,you cannot put 100 speakers in same cabinet and do test witch one sounds better,you need to build speakers cabinet to t/s parameters of each one and then you can test them dude,live this one to proffesionals,you confusing people with fake information!
That's the most retarded thing I've ever heard. No one has ever in the history of ever blown a woofer due to being underpowered. You sir have no idea what you're talking about
Keep powering them under powering them sub... you will see one day.I got two B-52 lx cabinets with some Faital Pro HP-1030 4ohms woofers in my cabinets. They are 1200watts rms... I'm putting 1600 watts on them!!!
Man get a crown amp or even qsc and crest audio or powersoft or lab gruppen but all you need is crown.... down side of qsc they have bad dapning factor.. down side of crown they closed down there factory in indiana a couple of years ago and let go like 900 people and there in china because its cheaper and ps the box does not change wattage to the speakers they just say that so you can buy it all the enclosure does it changes sub harmonics and im sitting here in 2018 november 4 and they stopped making the nu 6000 because it was a china made peice of shit!!!!
acabo de ver el video del ridiculo este como si el fuera un ingeniero de audio. la peavey maneja mas frecuencia baja lo que pasa es que no esta en su caja o la caja recomendada para el. los otros 2 bajos manejan mejor las frecuencias entre 100 a 250 hz . por favor antes de hacer un video así educase primero que yo llevo mas años que tu en esto......
el ya dijo que eso no fue el cabinete recomendado. esto fue un experimento para cabinetes mas pequeno y portable de todo modo, que es tu recomendacion para el peavey con dimensiones pequenas? o recomiendas solamente un cabinete mas grande?
Es un buen exprimento simplemente en esta ocasion va a trabajar mejor el driver que tenga mejor eficiencia (sensivilidad) Ya que usa el mismo amplificador y el mismo corte (hertz) La peavey low max es una muy buena bosina entre las top 10
You have no idea what you are talking about. The CS series are bullet proof Amps. The really modern stuff isn't like their older equipment which was far superior and readily available about anywhere you look. I have known Ashley amps to fry by CS Amps to go 30 hard years before needing service and usually just caps/transistors and switches/ fans. Nothing Major. You a few decades too young to be judging.
恵勇気 that's because you haven't tried their new IPR2 amps. They're much better in every way than their CS amps. Their speakers are also right on point. You just havent tested them yourself
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The box size does affect the power handling. But this homie has it backwards, the smaller the enclosure the more power a sub can handle. The bigger the box the deeper the sub will play.
That is right .... the big the cabinet the deeper the bass going too be... get some folded horn cabinets... Yes they are some very large cabinet.... but if you want your bass too hit deep... Get you a better power amplifier... Qsc , Crest audio, Crown....etc
Your concept may be right but he did the test we listen to it he'll listen to it and he gave his honest take on the three and that test is based on his equipment
Maybe he went backwards because one speaker has been used more than the other
I recently purchased peavey lomax 18 and can tell you that I am very impressed with the bass output especially the deep bass. This subwoofer needs longer ports for deeper bass tuning than most other Pa speakers. This hits low like a car competition subwoofer. Does not need big box. Tried in 6 cup ft box then 4.5 cu ft box and noticed more spl from the 4( more hard hitting bass) and more.low end rumble from the 6 cup ft.
No clue , can’t just throw a speaker in a box and expect it to sound good.Every speak has its own spec.
There are a few factors here. enclosures being one of them . The one size fits all does no service here! you need the proper enclosures to utilize the Peavys proper performance. The peavey is more powerful in performance than the other to woofers. As you go up in power handling the sensitivity of the coil tends to go down a little giver or take. As the adhesive on the coils are stronger higher temp and thicker in coating. This helps to resist thermal melt down at higher watt levels. this means you Need to push it more than the other 2 for equal out put. The other two subs are at the same power rating which makes it a little more fair in that performance perspective. The second factor is the Peavey low maxx has a lower FS. and in the right enclosure can do play well in to the 20s! with a lower FS This tends to shift the peaky response of the driver down to a lower ranges. Higher FS drivers are more peaky and aggressive in tonality. This is a live sound standard. With The lower FS drivers, the trade off here is low end extension in bandwidth. The Vega is higher FS as well as the b52. You should have used one source location to try all the woofers in one location! As this will help the wave patterns to be more precise in the same listing location. Point sourcing the cabinets in one place preferably in a wide open place with little to know buildings This will give you a better listening of the drivers with less destructive interference's for a better listing judgment.
I have qsc rmx 505O power amplifier and qsc plx 3402 power amplifier and qsc rmx 2450... Behringer nuke 6000 is garbage... I also have a Crest Audio 8001 power.... you could do better than that with a Behringer?
I bet your neighbors love you!!!
B52 subwoofers love bandpass boxes. Plus if in vented or ported they are airspace pig's 6sqft for 18.
I’ll go with Peavey all the way up, I currently have 16 of them low max, nothing compares with that
Parts Express has the B-52 speakers and cabinet amps on sale!
Your amp isn't powerful enough, it's only giving out 1600 watts top, instead of the 2400/4800w peak the speaker can take. Not a fair test as the Peavey didn't get it's peak power
Crown, JBL, dbx, are same parent company
Low Pass filter built into the speaker?
Could try testing some 10, 20, 30hz signal off you tube. Find out what going on there.. Allso test around bass high end 150, 160, 200hz signal.
I'd go with the vega for me. But im looking at a dual sub like the dual 18 Wharfdale delta 30hz low end on those but crossover is 120hz..
Ideal sub would crossover around 180hz and have low end of 25/30hz
I say ideal because 140hz-170hz are the bass frequency's that hit your chest so you want your sub to hit them frequency!
Do you have the right power amplifier too push that Peavey lowmax?
Real sound man from Brooklyn.
You said at 0:22 the Peavey driver is rated at 2,400 watts with the right enclosure but you're wrong the driver will take 1,200 watts AES continuous for 2 hours, also the right enclosure doesn't make a different to speaker wattage. The wattage is a power rating for what a speaker driver can handle, not what it can output, what it can output is rated in decibels. Plus those ports on your sub look too small for the 8.25mm Xmax the driver has. For high Xmax drivers you need very large ports and then you tune the enclosure to a resonant frequency by adjusting the port depth inside the enclosure. Plus one reason the Cerwin Vega might sound better is because the enclosure was designed for it, you HAVE to use speaker enclosure design software and input the driver's thiele small parameters into the software when you wanna upgrade your subs drivers. Believe it or not, not every equivilent sized driver sounds just as good in that enclosure. The enclosure internal volume, port size and port depth all are VERY important things to take into account.
Your amp have not enough power..
AES rating is not RMS. AES is Pink Noise Rating, it is very different than RMS value. Why Hartley gives AES values to the public is beyond me, it's only valuable to engineers for burn ins. The The Volume and porting can effect power handling, but doubt the enclosure he was using was very far off.
Why not? I run 4,000 watt Single Coil Pro Woofers by Eminence right now... Hartley used to under rate his speakers all the time for warranty reasons.. His SP5's had Scorpions 15" that listed 800watt watt ratings when the raw woofer only showed 200w /400w max. I know for a fact the 3020HT's would easily handle 1400 watts each all day long even though the cabs said 200 watts AES, 400 watts Music Program Max. I ran them for over 10 years during the 80's and 90's, and were the absolute best sounding Concert Speakers Made compared to component crap made today. Only flaw were the Crossovers, which was easily fixable with higher grade parts.
That would be pink noise. It means running the same frequency nonstop, so no cooling. 2400 would be what you set your system to, and it has 4800w peak, for those rare ocations songs have an extra kick. That's why all speakers have 3 wattage ratings, in this case 1200/2400/4800, with that being Continuos (pink noise), RMS, and Peak.
4800 watts peak Program, We actually ran them at 6kW for over 2 hours continuous at stadiums arenas with music. And Ratings are for Music, AES wattage is only used by Engineers. It doesn't matter how much "kick" a song has in it, its music, its Program Ratings, not Electrical Peak Ratings, like you are thinking they are. There are a lot of Factors involved in what the true electrical rating is on a transducer. I trusted my suppliers when they told me they were rated 4.8kW all day long and placed that rating for warranty reasons and that 6kW would be a reasonable input for a 2 hour operation.
Good video bro!!!such well behaved cute babies in the background....all peavey raw.subs come with specs.and information on building the right enclosure..I suggest that you follow through and have one enclosure built then you will see the true performance of your peavey raw subs...also included are port size and length as well as material...keep us posted! love watching your vids bro.
You can put a 6k watt or $2,000 driver in those cabinets and it won’t sound any different from what you have in front of you right now , those boxes were not built on the specifications of those drivers which is why you can’t tell a difference with them , and I promise you that peavey is disappointing you because you put it in a box that it wasn’t intended to be in . You build a box and have it tuned specifically for that driver and I guarantee it will be louder than all 3 together in those boxes you have now . It’s all about power and enclosures .
eso es correcto amigo los low max no estan hechas para esas cajas tan pequeñas y eso afecta su rendimiento las intense los parlantes en realidad son eminence omega de 1000w no creo que estos parlantes suenen mas duro que los low max. saludos desde venezuela
Also this speaker needs power. Running it off a crown powertech 3 bridged. 1500 rms!!!. That is crown power. I doubt your behringer power comes close. Those things ratings are peak power and very deceiving ratings. The crown on the other hand is conservative
Can these be put in vehicles? How do they sound? The bw low 2400?
Good times to you ,good vid .
Are you using a crossover? I didn't see it
The low max can't be used that way, it's kind of a fail.... each one of those subwoofers is made so take up a certain cubic feet of room for maximum Excursion
Question were all the boxes dimensions the same if not can you tell me them I like the box of the cerwin & peavy box they were longer front to back! Correct
DJ1Hands1on .. 20W ×23D× 25H in inches
I have lomax in 8 scoop folded horn enclosures. Im tying 2 in series making 4 sets and phased properly and accordingly. Dude, you cant burn em out and they will pull cement off of a building if done properly. I would do more research before sending them back. If you can push em full tilt in series paired 4 times you'll be like WHOAH !
Putting a speakers in a box it's not designed for is like dropping a Mustang V8 to a Volkswagen Golf. Without recalibrating the rest of the car, it won't be pretty.
Yeah bro lo Max the bests you can feeling in you heart but you have to follow the instructions how powerful it is
Good vid. I just wanted to see the Cerwin Vega in a real life environment. Unfortunately, you cannot tell how loud or much different from a video. The mic on whatever you used to record is getting blown out. Liked Video!
You have no ideea abaut sound or how a speaker works,you cannot put 100 speakers in same cabinet and do test witch one sounds better,you need to build speakers cabinet to t/s parameters of each one and then you can test them dude,live this one to proffesionals,you confusing people with fake information!
Bet the neighbors love you
You are under powering them sub??? You will damage those woofers!!!!
No speaker has ever been blown by under powering it. I don't care what your buddy told you.
That's the most retarded thing I've ever heard. No one has ever in the history of ever blown a woofer due to being underpowered. You sir have no idea what you're talking about
Keep powering them under powering them sub... you will see one day.I got two B-52 lx cabinets with some Faital Pro HP-1030 4ohms woofers in my cabinets. They are 1200watts rms... I'm putting 1600 watts on them!!!
@Galen Wiswell You always want to put the rms wattage on the subwoofer.
@@49watersleeps them cabinets sound like garbage!!! It sounds like mid bass cabinets
brother, how often do you make them work?
crown is better than iNuke
a iNuke 1000 it gives you around 950watts
a Crown XLs-1000 it gives you 1100watts
Yes bro i nuke i peice of shit one time i fried a whole rack and replaced them with crown xti 6002 for bass and crown xls 2502 for highs
The boxes are too small for the subs bro, I use PV low Max their the shit now for any system..
Winner?
Avi elkiss is owner of Eti sound systems, maker of B52
can u give the dimesion of the box
Dfl you need ah big azz amp to push 2,400 watts. Ah simple ported box will have it bangin
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Man get a crown amp or even qsc and crest audio or powersoft or lab gruppen but all you need is crown.... down side of qsc they have bad dapning factor.. down side of crown they closed down there factory in indiana a couple of years ago and let go like 900 people and there in china because its cheaper and ps the box does not change wattage to the speakers they just say that so you can buy it all the enclosure does it changes sub harmonics and im sitting here in 2018 november 4 and they stopped making the nu 6000 because it was a china made peice of shit!!!!
Well i got a qsc rmx 505O power amplifier the damping factor is not bad on it... Not at all ... I'm just saying
BASSBOSS DESTROYS ALL 3 OF THEM.....COMBINED!!! A BETTER DEMO WOULD'VE BEEN IF YOU PLAYED 30 HZ BASS TRACKS!
Much better D21 Yolanda or D21 bulldozer
Quick as possible??? At least your keeping it reall
acabo de ver el video del ridiculo este como si el fuera un ingeniero de audio. la peavey maneja mas frecuencia baja lo que pasa es que no esta en su caja o la caja recomendada para el. los otros 2 bajos manejan mejor las frecuencias entre 100 a 250 hz . por favor antes de hacer un video así educase primero que yo llevo mas años que tu en esto......
el ya dijo que eso no fue el cabinete recomendado. esto fue un experimento para cabinetes mas pequeno y portable
de todo modo, que es tu recomendacion para el peavey con dimensiones pequenas? o recomiendas solamente un cabinete mas grande?
Es un buen exprimento simplemente en esta ocasion va a trabajar mejor el driver que tenga mejor eficiencia (sensivilidad)
Ya que usa el mismo amplificador y el mismo corte (hertz)
La peavey low max es una muy buena bosina entre las top 10
No te entendio explicale en ingles u otomi
To me by the video it's B52 ...CERWIN VEGA ...PV
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Pop pee Uknow cerwin vega is best for bass dj for 40 years
Bee Jay the Dee Jay what do you think of the cerwin vega earthquake 18inch sub
Cerwin vega... Are garbage... You want a very good woofer look into Faital HP 18" 1030 woofer
@@TCAMACHO92 .... The cabinet is very nice but the woofer inside of the cabinet are garbage...trust me!!!
B52 all the way
Vega se escucha mejor
peavy also sucks its just popular because its cheap as hell but sucks
You have no idea what you are talking about. The CS series are bullet proof Amps. The really modern stuff isn't like their older equipment which was far superior and readily available about anywhere you look. I have known Ashley amps to fry by CS Amps to go 30 hard years before needing service and usually just caps/transistors and switches/ fans. Nothing Major. You a few decades too young to be judging.
恵勇気 that's because you haven't tried their new IPR2 amps. They're much better in every way than their CS amps. Their speakers are also right on point. You just havent tested them yourself
B52 deeper cleaner less distortion!
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qsc has bad dapning factor and crown has the problem when you drive them hard they suck up the electricity
Robert garcia.
Play some real music .....
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Your gonna blow out them nice subs dont sound right
It's the Mic from the camera not the sub
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