Thanks for this video. I am 49 years old and am a bit sentimental. My uncle that I was close with passed almost 2 years ago but my aunt decided to give me his Gamo varment yesterday. I own many firearms but this air gun has a special place. I am going to use your guide to quiet down the spring in it and make the rifle as good as possible.
Thanks for the great disassembly video. Was having problems with my Varmint... Upon closer inspection, I saw the plastic spring guide spacer in the trigger group had crumbled away so the rifle would not hold cock. Replaced the broken plastic piece with a fair sized stack of washers to the same height. Glad to have the Varmint functioning proper again!
Hey Kevin, Thanks for this great instruction video on how to tune the Gamo Varmint spring piston airgun. I have all the tools, the gloves, grease, spray can, and the Gamo Varmint, but I was always hesitant to do the tune job and decided that the twang buzz noise was just not that big a deal. Now I can't wait to get rid of that annoying twang buzz noise. Thanks again. Stay Safe. Be Well. GOD BLESS.
Thank you sir. I didn't look for your video to tune the rifle but I did need the disassembly footage to figure out where the cocking lever guide pin is supposed to go, and apparently your video is the only one on the internet showing a full disassembly of a gamo varmint rifle. Your video was amazingly helpful and maybe one day I might tune my rifle to get rid of the buzz. I'll just live with it till then
Very nice, informative video! My rifle has a very similar spring buzz, and loud enough, I wear my ear plugs when I shoot it. You made the mod look pretty simple, but my lack of knowledge, I think I will just have to deal with it (at least for a while)! Thank you very much, for the information!!! 👍👍
I'm glad that you enjoyed the video. There's a product called Tune In A Tube. It might be worth a try to see if you can quiet it down a little. It only requires removing the stock.
Ohhhh, the spring buzz is awful … but what is worse is the “ Twang” ; like some angry person is strumming an ill tuned banjo … your mod is refreshingly well thought out and masterful . Thank You for the most helpful tip
Great home tunning guide.i have a BSA Comet here in the uk,it has the same internals.i have done the same as you and the difference is like night and day.keep the great videos comings.
After watching a bunch of your videos, I now have an air arms pro sport with vortek kit I installed myself and a weihrauch hw97 with another vortek kit I recently finished up last weekend. I have a swfa ss 10x42 scope in its way for the weihrauch. Can’t wait. I put the vortek kit in the weihrauch without a spring compressor too. Hardest part was getting the butt cap pushed down evenly and threads started. Took every ounce of energy I had in me.
Hi Matty! Where'd you fine a Pro Sport? Been lookin' for a left hand TX200 or a Pro Sport but no one's got 'em in stock. 12 week wait. I'm glad to hear you're enjoying your new guns. Also glad that you had the confidence to go ahead and install those kits yourself. They really do make a huge difference. Congratulations once again and thanks for watching.
@@razor1962 Thanks! I got my pro sport from pyramid air about 4-5 months ago. It’s a right hander with a walnut stock. They didn’t have any tx200’s at the time so I got the pro sport. I’ve had slight issues with the cocking lever not wanting to sit straight in its channel and then being too loose and wanting to fall out of its closed position too easily. It needed a stiffer spring in the linkage for the cocking arm. There’s a little spring that puts tension on the arm in the closed position. Luckily we have tons of springs and o rings at my job. I’m a maintenance guy at a local hospital.
@@Nick_Gurr80 Awesome! With your cocking lever issue in mind, I think I'll narrow it down to a TX200. I was on the fence so thanks for the little push. Now I just need to decide if I'm going to wait 12 weeks for delivery or put off ordering until they're more readily available.
@@razor1962 If it was me, I would just order now and wait. I purchased a bicycle last July and didn’t receive it until the end of December. I know that’s a long time to wait but it gave me something to constantly look forward to and believe it or not, it helped me to not make a bunch of frivolous purchases which I’m prone to do. I like the dopamine rush of buying new “toys” but knowing that I had an awesome bike to look forward to was enough to satisfy the craving to buy more stuff 😆
Aussie Dave in PA here,... Thanks for the Aerosol Can tip :) I tried some Soda Can in my Chinese B3 Underlever that I bought for a Winter project but the aluminum was too weak,... That $65 B3 is settling in to be MUCH better than it should be for the price but the twang & buzz is horrible so I will try your material. Thanks for another fun video :)
I've been fiddling with an old gun and had reached the conclusion that some of its problems were asociated with a very slack spring guide. I was on the point of ordering a custom guide - I'd wondered about shimming but thought it wouldn't work because the spring might snag the shim when cocking. Now you've shown that it can work and I only need to drink a couple of beers to acquire some shim stock... I don't know if this will sort my problems but I'm going to try. If it does, the satisfaction will be intense. Thanks!
@@razor1962 Now you have really surprised me! I know that plastics have been successfully used for piston sleeves, but one of the reservations often expressed about delrin spring guides is that on firing, as the spring expands lengthways it will contract radially so might grip and pull on the guide body, leading to cracks and failure. I can easily imagine that this would be even more disastrous for a thin layer of plastic... I've never tried this myself, I'm reading around before committing myself, but I would like to make sure of this point. Are you still referring to a shim (or sleeve) inside the spring?
@David Powell I've made shims of both aerosol cans and plastic soda bottles. I use a shim to tighten up a loose spring guide or top hat. It's not a professional thing to do but it really makes a difference.
@@razor1962 That's very encouraging as it greatly increases my chances of finding something with exactly the right thickness. I'm glad I asked - Thankyou!
Great video BTW! Simple, to the point. I've been wanting to create a Frankinstein rifle. And your vid has now given me the info and confidence to try. I have a Gamo tactical maxxim, in .177 But the barrel is only 365mm rifled, with a suppressor added at the end. I'd rather have the 450mm rifled barrel, without a suppressor, like on the varmint for more velocity, accuracy and fpe. So, i ordered the Varmint on sale, and I'm going to transplant it on to the Maxxim. I think they will be compatable. If it works, I'll have a custom backyard plinker target gun. I'm waiting for the Varmint to be delivered now. I like the Maxxim Tactical TH stock better, it fits my hand better, cause I lost the tip of my trigger finger. But still prefer to use my stubby to use the trigger. Thanks again, this will be a fun project.
Thank you so much for sharing this! You mentioned this mod in your first Winchester 1100s video, I'm very excited to try this out. Next is that darn trigger lol Thanks again, your videos are great!
great video happy I found this, I was looking at an add on spring mod kit off Ebay and was trying see if anyone had experience with them found this instead which will help either way cheers
Nice bit of DIY. I guess that illustrates that a twangy piston is still a perfectly good piston, just lacking the final touches for harmonics. Considering what they cost, it baffles me why Weirauch haven't improved their spring/piston set up, although the twang doesn't really bother me personally. ATB PP
I was looking at Gao rifle today, and was thinking about this very model. I thought " are there any 'good' reviews on this one?" I started looking around and found this video. I was, no, am impressed with the content and subject. I think now I'll go order one of these 'lower cost' Gamo air rifles to see what they are about.
Thanks for this I have a Shadow 1000 I picked up cheap and it had only been used for 200 rounds before been left cocked for ages. The gun is like new but I figured it sounds like a wasps nest with a pig in it just like uyours and I figured with the gun being left its time to upgrade the spring and the guides and washers and I have found a kit
@@razor1962 thanks for the reply, your experience is very valuable to someone like me who is mechanically adept but lacking any real experience in tarring down a air rifle and saves me a lot of time in messing about with the job in hand and working it all out. Do you advise any other grease to be used on the seals and piston skirt?
Moly on the metal to metal contact surfaces as well as the edges of the piston seal. I use spring tar (the heavy black stuff) on guns with lots of buzz. ARH and Vortek sell spring tar as well as lighter greases for the spring should you feel that the tar is unnecessary. A silencer does help with down range noise reduction. However the mechanics of the rifle will seem like where the noise is coming from as far as the shooter is concerned. So, to you the silencer may seem to be ineffective but to bystanders it should make a difference.
Great vídeo. now just needs some work done on the triger, and it will be a great cheap air rifle(i remember that you complain about the triger on the last video...) . Greetings from Portugal 👍
Thanks Ricardo! I don't wanna mess with the trigger on this gun. Something tells me it'd be a can of worms. Gonna' have to leave it as it is. Thanks for watching my friend.
I'm not sure how they detune the gun. Could be a smaller transfer port, a weak spring or a shortened stroke. You'd have to check those first. Thanks for watching!
Thats great kevin,ordered the tar and grease for the piston.wondered what that buzz was when firing,drives me nuts and takes the fun out of shooting my varmint.will get this mod done next month.just in tome for some warmer weather here in central ontario.
Kevin, Another informative video! I always thought you need a spring compressor to take apart and reassemble a spring gun?? You did it with a little down pressure!? Scott in Pa
That's right Scott. Certain guns have less preload than others so you can get away with it. Other guns wanna become a missile as soon as their free to release. The FWB124 is a prime example of a gun that requires a spring compressor. Thanks as always my friend.
The spring guide didn't look good quality on this gun I can't understand why they didn't make it a tube and the top hat looked way too small diameter for the spring I'm not surprised it buzzed good content as always keep video's coming 👍👍👍
Thanks! It was a project mainly for the camera. I never expected much from a gun that costs around $100. Still, that super lightweight 5.5lbs is so sweet. Ashame they had to build in so much plastic to manage it. Thanks as always!
Never did anything with the trigger. I'm hearing that this makes a definite improvement... www.charliedatuna.com/GRT-4G.htm Thanks for watching my friend.
Excellent video! I’m want to do the same thing with my Varmit, but I didn’t catch what type of grease it was that you used on the spring, and is it the same grease for the piston also? I don’t want to start on it until I get some of that grease.
Molybdenum disulfied or moly grease very, very sparingly on the edge of the piston seal. Heavy spring tar on the spring. Both are available from Air Rifle Headquarters.
One of those rifles you sit and shoot and wonder why you would spend so much more on a Weihrauch, and over the next year you gradually get it, without ever being quite able to explain it....and never buy a Gamo again lol
After doing a tune on my Benjamin Prowler - clean the factory grease out, debur everything inside. Better piston seal. Use Molly grease when assembling. The gun was made into a different machine: far quieter and smoother to cock, and most likely more velocity. Makes a person wonder why the manufacturers don't do that and raise the price a few dollars. It's helpful that you correctly enunciate all words. 12: 56, Why not debur the sharp edges? Some viewers might like a link to buying the grease. Thanks for the instructions.
Thanks for your valuable comment. Deburring the edges wasn't really necessary on this rifle. I can see where it would be a good idea on some others. Thanks for taking the time to watch. Thanks
Yes. I could've machined a new top hat and spring guide and that would've taken care of it. However, this video was geared toward the home tinkerer who may not have access to a lathe. Thanks so much for watching my friend.
My Varmint spring is sounding good but I am not sure if it is the same piston and spring combo in the detuned version!🇨🇦 Looking at the size of the transfert port this may be the only thing detuning it to 495fps 😅 It did make a huge difference on yours tho! Great subject and video
It definitely would've been better to make custom parts. However, this was intended to help folks who don't have the means to make such parts. Thanks so much for watching my friend.
@@razor1962 Keep making videos and I will keep watching them! Partly based on your review and my own research (internet,forums and video reviews) I purchased a HW30.
This particular rifle can be carefully disassembled without a spring compressor. Reassembly on the other hand, may not be so straightforward. Thanks for watching.
The only noise I hear is closing the barrel I would sort that my Hw35e has no noise cocking and then closing and no bong are grit noise pulling to cock it and closing and the firing cycle and it in 177cal with slugs deadly accurate they are in 13 .4 grn it loves there from a eye 👁 hunter and try them £5 a sample pack.
Slugs from a springer. Just when you thought you'd see everything. Very surprised to hear that you're having good results. Very interesting. Your HW35E is a classic, and it's in a class above the Gamo products. I'm certain that it will serve you well. Thanks so much for watching, my friend.
Kevin: you had me hooked at aerosol can, ha! This has to help with accuracy as well. I'm new to your channel, but I did subscribe after watching. Do you have anything on working on the triggers for Gamo? Many thanks!
How long will the aluminum shim last? It seems easy enough to replace it if it does wear out. Just curious how much wear and tear on the shim can take before replacing it.
I've gotten several responses when I ask the same question. It's worth noting that those shims are made of steel and not aluminum so that will definitely help them last a little bit longer. I have no idea how long they're going to last. I guess time will tell. Thanks so much for watching.
I'll bet it did. Lol! That stuff has a way of finding its way into the transfer port. Obviously, you want to avoid that whenever possible. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for watching! I have a tube of automotive molybdenum disulfide Grease or Molly Grease as it's commonly called. A single tube has lasted me for a few decades. You can buy molly grease in smaller quantities at Air Rifle Headquarters. Never Grease the face of the Piston seal but rather only the circumference.
@@razor1962 Excellent - thank you. I have an old Gamo 500 Sporter - still shooting well after all these years but twangs and buzzes and rattles - time for some TLC. Thanks again.
Hello good sir, thank you for the awesome video. This sound has always drived me nuts too. Do you think this modification will decrease the accuracy of the gun? Thanks
I'm relatively confident that it wouldn't last very long. Once a wrinkle starts, I'd imagine that it would catch on the spring, getting more and more mangled with each shot. The steel sleeve should last much longer. Thanks for watching.
I got some god awful spring noise with this thing, it's so loud it almost drowns out the sound of the actual shot, hoping this video helps me solve this issue
Thanks, Steve. You won't really need much. I'd recommend: 91% isopropyl alcohol (available at a pharmacy) Moly ( molybdenum disulfied ) grease. Heavy Spring Tar Clear Spring Tar Some silicone oil That's about it. You should be able to get the moly and tar at: airrifleheadquarters.com/
How did the homemade shims hold up? Does the spring compress/move over the shims, and did you lube those sections as well? Thanks for the thoughtful videos!
The rifle is still shooting as smooth as glass. The sleeves ride within the spring and they take up the space between the spring guide and the spring which is where most of the "Buzz" comes from. They're holding up just fine. A second sleeve serves the same purpose around the top hat at the other end of the spring. The spring does slide over the sleeves as it's compressed and released. Thanks for watching, my friend.
Hay Kevin thanks for another great video, that rifle sounds great. That spring tar looks nasty stuff wouldn't want to get that on the furniture or anything she'd go mad. 🤣 Just out of interest how long are you tinkering with air guns, you seem very knowledgeable. Keep the videos coming. 👍
Thanks Graham. Spring tar and marital harmony must never cross swords. Been enjoying airguns since I was a kid of 12 with my Daisy model 25 pump action BB gun. Started up a part time business in the eighties repairing airguns. Gave it up when I bought a fixer upper house that took all of my free time. House is done and the bug came back so here I am at it again.
I always use moly paste around the edge of the seal. Try not to get any on the face of the seal. A little goes a long way with that stuff. Thanks for watching, my friend.
@aakashk530 if you have access to good, old fashioned axle grease, (something heavy and really sticky) ot could be used. Moly paste won't hurt the spring, but it won't reduce vibration. If you're not concerned about the "buzz", pretty much any quality grease, used sparingly, will do just fine.
Hi Kevin, I like how you set up your Gamo rifle. I have. 25 and what to remove the large front sight assembly, much like your rifles. My assembly does not have a set screw so I have no clue how to remove it. Do you have any suggestions? Thank you!
Hello, my friend. I'm not familiar with the front sight that you're referring to. I'd have to have a look before making any sort of suggestion. I can tell you that on some guns, the front sight is a sleeve that is a friction fit, meaning that it's simply pressed over the muzzle. On my Chinese made, 1100s, the first 3 inches or so of the barrel are knurled so that the plastic front sight sleeve stays put. I'm sorry that I can't be of any more help.
Thank you for your response! I am certain it's pressure fitted. I have a heat gun, and I am thinking of warming the front sight assembly. Once heated, I will use a wood block and tap it off gently. Do you think this will work without messing up the sight and barrel? Once more, thank you for sharing. I thoroughly enjoy your video and knowledge.
Allot of spring guns can be torn down without a spring compressor. Still, it's best to use one when in doubt. Checking the preload on the spring by levering a screwdriver against the coils via the cocking slot can help determine if it's got too much tension to tackle without a compressor. Thanks for watching.
That would depend upon a couple of factors. What kind of "varmint" you're hunting and how proficient you are with the rifle. Nothing bigger than rabbits or squirrels and no farther than 40 yards would be my advice. I'm certain that others will disagree but a responsible person will er on the conservative side. Thanks for watching.
At the instant that a spring piston airgun is fired, the air that's being compressed so fast that it heats up to somewhere around 2000 degrees (if memory serves) for a split second. If there's any somewhat combustible oils in the compression chamber it will ignite and there will be smoke. This is called dieseling.
@@DiscusRussell Yes, as a matter of fact, it does...The results speak for themselves and have proven my methods for more than 40 years. Spring tar is to be used rather liberally and moly grease merely requires a light coating to the bearing surfaces of the piston just as I demonstrated in the video. Stick with me kid. You'll learn something....
It's a GAMO Varmint ! The things got more Twang then a Fender Telecaster. 🤷🏼♂️ Tar's about the best thing you've got going for you at that point. 😉 This ain't no TX 200... 😁😆😅😂🤣🤣 FTR: A steam engine is WAY Better Built. LOL. It's just Common Sense... Given the length of the rear guide, top hat, and that BA spring there is just a butt ton of unchecked real estate in that spring to dampen. What else do you have to work with ??? 🤷🏼♂️ Common Sense is apparently just a lot less common these days. 😉
@@razor1962 A Guy "Quite Successfully" makes a silk purse out of a sow's ear and this guy's big take away is "You Used Too Much Thread"... 😉 Really... Seriously ??? 🤷🏼♂️ WTAF ? 😆 LOL.
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Thanks for this video. I am 49 years old and am a bit sentimental. My uncle that I was close with passed almost 2 years ago but my aunt decided to give me his Gamo varment yesterday. I own many firearms but this air gun has a special place. I am going to use your guide to quiet down the spring in it and make the rifle as good as possible.
I'm sorry that you lost your uncle. However, I'm glad that you found the video helpful. Thanks so much for watching.
Your video helped me to replace the spring in my varmint to a nitro piston gas ram. Its so smooth now. Thanks for the video!
That's awesome. So happy to hear that you found the video helpful.
Where did you get the nitro piston? I had to use the spring out of my old varmint to fix another gun and I want to try a gas piston in it.
Thank you Kevin
Thanks for watching, Steven.
Thanks for the great disassembly video. Was having problems with my Varmint... Upon closer inspection, I saw the plastic spring guide spacer in the trigger group had crumbled away so the rifle would not hold cock. Replaced the broken plastic piece with a fair sized stack of washers to the same height. Glad to have the Varmint functioning proper again!
Awesome. Congratulations on your repair.
Thanks for watching, my friend.
Hey Kevin, Thanks for this great instruction video on how to tune the Gamo Varmint spring piston airgun.
I have all the tools, the gloves, grease, spray can, and the Gamo Varmint, but I was always hesitant to do the tune job and decided that the twang buzz noise was just not that big a deal. Now I can't wait to get rid of that annoying twang buzz noise.
Thanks again.
Stay Safe. Be Well. GOD BLESS.
Awesome Ken. Let us know how it goes. Thanks so much for watching my friend.
Perfect combination: knowledge and skills. I enjoy watching your videos so much. Congratulations !!!!
Thanks so much Jose'
Thank you sir. I didn't look for your video to tune the rifle but I did need the disassembly footage to figure out where the cocking lever guide pin is supposed to go, and apparently your video is the only one on the internet showing a full disassembly of a gamo varmint rifle. Your video was amazingly helpful and maybe one day I might tune my rifle to get rid of the buzz. I'll just live with it till then
I'm thrilled to hear that you found the video helpful. Thanks so much for watching and for taking the time to leave such a nice comment.
Very nice, informative video! My rifle has a very similar spring buzz, and loud enough, I wear my ear plugs when I shoot it. You made the mod look pretty simple, but my lack of knowledge, I think I will just have to deal with it (at least for a while)!
Thank you very much, for the information!!! 👍👍
I'm glad that you enjoyed the video. There's a product called Tune In A Tube. It might be worth a try to see if you can quiet it down a little. It only requires removing the stock.
Thanks for the video , clearly explained and always interesting. I always pick up a few useful tips which can often be helpful on different rifles.
Thanks for your kind words. I'm glad that you enjoy my vids.
Thanks for your continued viewership.
Ohhhh, the spring buzz is awful … but what is worse is the “ Twang” ; like some angry person is strumming an ill tuned banjo … your mod is refreshingly well thought out and masterful . Thank You for the most helpful tip
Thank you Richard. So glad that you found something of value in the video.
I learn a lot of you, sir, greetings from México!
So glad to hear that your enjoying the channel. Thanks so much for watching my friend.
@@razor1962 thanks to you sir for sharing the knowledge! It's priceless, amazing job and very entertaining channel 😎👌
Great home tunning guide.i have a BSA Comet here in the uk,it has the same internals.i have done the same as you and the difference is like night and day.keep the great videos comings.
Glad to hear that you gained something from the video. I sincerely appreciate your taking the time to comment. Thanks for watching.
Fantastic Tune 👏👋👏👋👏👋👏
I have that Air Rifle ,GAMO is one of my favorite brands ⚔️🐻⚔️
It's a good gun. Nice and lightweight. Pretty accurate. The trigger is kinda' meh...but overall it's worth the price.
Always so relaxing to watch yours videos. Tank you!
Thanks man. Glad to have you along for the ride.
Great video brother, absolutely amazing work and extremely informative. Never quit plinking...Thank you for all of your knowledge and talent.
Thanks George and thanks for watching.
After watching a bunch of your videos, I now have an air arms pro sport with vortek kit I installed myself and a weihrauch hw97 with another vortek kit I recently finished up last weekend. I have a swfa ss 10x42 scope in its way for the weihrauch. Can’t wait. I put the vortek kit in the weihrauch without a spring compressor too. Hardest part was getting the butt cap pushed down evenly and threads started. Took every ounce of energy I had in me.
Hi Matty! Where'd you fine a Pro Sport? Been lookin' for a left hand TX200 or a Pro Sport but no one's got 'em in stock. 12 week wait.
I'm glad to hear you're enjoying your new guns. Also glad that you had the confidence to go ahead and install those kits yourself. They really do make a huge difference. Congratulations once again and thanks for watching.
@@razor1962 Thanks! I got my pro sport from pyramid air about 4-5 months ago. It’s a right hander with a walnut stock. They didn’t have any tx200’s at the time so I got the pro sport. I’ve had slight issues with the cocking lever not wanting to sit straight in its channel and then being too loose and wanting to fall out of its closed position too easily. It needed a stiffer spring in the linkage for the cocking arm. There’s a little spring that puts tension on the arm in the closed position. Luckily we have tons of springs and o rings at my job. I’m a maintenance guy at a local hospital.
@@Nick_Gurr80 Awesome! With your cocking lever issue in mind, I think I'll narrow it down to a TX200. I was on the fence so thanks for the little push. Now I just need to decide if I'm going to wait 12 weeks for delivery or put off ordering until they're more readily available.
@@razor1962 If it was me, I would just order now and wait. I purchased a bicycle last July and didn’t receive it until the end of December. I know that’s a long time to wait but it gave me something to constantly look forward to and believe it or not, it helped me to not make a bunch of frivolous purchases which I’m prone to do. I like the dopamine rush of buying new “toys” but knowing that I had an awesome bike to look forward to was enough to satisfy the craving to buy more stuff 😆
You made it look so easy. Always enjoy your videos. Thanks
Thanks Airgunner and thanks for watching.
Aussie Dave in PA here,... Thanks for the Aerosol Can tip :)
I tried some Soda Can in my Chinese B3 Underlever that I bought for a Winter project but the aluminum was too weak,... That $65 B3 is settling in to be MUCH better than it should be for the price but the twang & buzz is horrible so I will try your material.
Thanks for another fun video :)
Here's to your B3 project! I don't know how long the aerosol can will last. Time will tell.
Thanks as always Dave!
@@razor1962
Cheers :)
I've been fiddling with an old gun and had reached the conclusion that some of its problems were asociated with a very slack spring guide. I was on the point of ordering a custom guide - I'd wondered about shimming but thought it wouldn't work because the spring might snag the shim when cocking. Now you've shown that it can work and I only need to drink a couple of beers to acquire some shim stock...
I don't know if this will sort my problems but I'm going to try. If it does, the satisfaction will be intense. Thanks!
You can use plastic soda bottles or aerosol can material. I'm not sure about aluminum.
Glad to hear that you gained something from the channel.
@@razor1962 Now you have really surprised me! I know that plastics have been successfully used for piston sleeves, but one of the reservations often expressed about delrin spring guides is that on firing, as the spring expands lengthways it will contract radially so might grip and pull on the guide body, leading to cracks and failure. I can easily imagine that this would be even more disastrous for a thin layer of plastic...
I've never tried this myself, I'm reading around before committing myself, but I would like to make sure of this point. Are you still referring to a shim (or sleeve) inside the spring?
@David Powell I've made shims of both aerosol cans and plastic soda bottles. I use a shim to tighten up a loose spring guide or top hat. It's not a professional thing to do but it really makes a difference.
@@razor1962 That's very encouraging as it greatly increases my chances of finding something with exactly the right thickness. I'm glad I asked - Thankyou!
Outstanding tutorial. Thank you so much for taking the time. I have subscribed.
Welcome aboard, my friend. Thanks so much for subscribing.
idk if its that annoying that you have to take the gun apart but great video!
For some, it's a non-issue. For me, it's a distraction, and it's like fingernails on a blackboard. 🤣
Thanks so much for watching, my friend.
Great video BTW!
Simple, to the point.
I've been wanting to create a Frankinstein rifle. And your vid has now given me the info and confidence to try.
I have a Gamo tactical maxxim, in
.177
But the barrel is only 365mm rifled, with a suppressor added at the end.
I'd rather have the 450mm rifled barrel, without a suppressor, like on the varmint for more velocity, accuracy and fpe.
So, i ordered the Varmint on sale, and I'm going to transplant it on to the Maxxim.
I think they will be compatable.
If it works, I'll have a custom backyard plinker target gun.
I'm waiting for the Varmint to be delivered now.
I like the Maxxim Tactical TH stock better, it fits my hand better, cause I lost the tip of my trigger finger. But still prefer to use my stubby to use the trigger.
Thanks again, this will be a fun project.
Sounds like fun. Best of luck with the project. Thanks for watching, my friend.
Thank you so much for sharing this! You mentioned this mod in your first Winchester 1100s video, I'm very excited to try this out. Next is that darn trigger lol
Thanks again, your videos are great!
Thanks so much Tim. I'm glad that you're enjoying the channel.
Great "How to" video. 🙂 Subscribed and thumb up.
I have one of these rifles on the way and wanted to learn a bit about it beforehand.
Glad to hear that you found the video helpful. Thanks so much for subscribing. Great to have you aboard Bruce.
Awesome job again, Dad!
Thanks Jay! Glad to see you tuning in means allot to me.
great video happy I found this, I was looking at an add on spring mod kit off Ebay and was trying see if anyone had experience with them found this instead which will help either way cheers
Aussie Dave in PA here just sat down with a Bourbon & about to hit the Play button :)
Thanks Dave! I hope you find it enjoyable.
Nice bit of DIY. I guess that illustrates that a twangy piston is still a perfectly good piston, just lacking the final touches for harmonics. Considering what they cost, it baffles me why Weirauch haven't improved their spring/piston set up, although the twang doesn't really bother me personally. ATB PP
That's right. For some, the twang / buzz isn't an issue at all. For me, a buzzing gun is annoying. Lol.
Thanks for taking the time to watch.
I was looking at Gao rifle today, and was thinking about this very model. I thought " are there any 'good' reviews on this one?" I started looking around and found this video.
I was, no, am impressed with the content and subject. I think now I'll go order one of these 'lower cost' Gamo air rifles to see what they are about.
Thanks very much. I'm so glad to hear that you found d the video helpful.
Excellent video. I will use this as a guide, when I take apart my meteor Mk7.
Thanks for watching, my friend.
I followed this exact method and it worked a treat so thankyou very detailed aswell .
Great news! I love success stories. Congratulations on a job well done, my friend.
Thanks for this I have a Shadow 1000 I picked up cheap and it had only been used for 200 rounds before been left cocked for ages. The gun is like new but I figured it sounds like a wasps nest with a pig in it just like uyours and I figured with the gun being left its time to upgrade the spring and the guides and washers and I have found a kit
Go for it! Sounds like there's plenty of room for improvement.
Thanks so much for watching.
@@razor1962 thanks for the reply, your experience is very valuable to someone like me who is mechanically adept but lacking any real experience in tarring down a air rifle and saves me a lot of time in messing about with the job in hand and working it all out. Do you advise any other grease to be used on the seals and piston skirt?
Moly on the metal to metal contact surfaces as well as the edges of the piston seal. I use spring tar (the heavy black stuff) on guns with lots of buzz. ARH and Vortek sell spring tar as well as lighter greases for the spring should you feel that the tar is unnecessary.
A silencer does help with down range noise reduction. However the mechanics of the rifle will seem like where the noise is coming from as far as the shooter is concerned. So, to you the silencer may seem to be ineffective but to bystanders it should make a difference.
I've heard of that trick but now i've seen it. Nice!
Thanks for watching my friend
Great job 👍
I used silicone chain and cable lubes on my mainspring. It's thinner but it still sticks better than an oil.
Good stuff I imagine. I would think that being silicone, it'll be resistant to dieseling. Thanks for watching!
Great vídeo. now just needs some work done on the triger, and it will be a great cheap air rifle(i remember that you complain about the triger on the last video...) . Greetings from Portugal 👍
Thanks Ricardo! I don't wanna mess with the trigger on this gun. Something tells me it'd be a can of worms. Gonna' have to leave it as it is. Thanks for watching my friend.
Great show! I have the Gamo Varmint and I would like to increase it's FPS. I live in Canada and they detune it.
I'm not sure how they detune the gun. Could be a smaller transfer port, a weak spring or a shortened stroke. You'd have to check those first.
Thanks for watching!
Hey there mister,where does a guy buy that air gun spring tar?or os there a grease substitute we could use? Thanks sir
Here ya' go, my friend.
www.airrifleheadquarters.com/page/page/251327.htm
Thats great kevin,ordered the tar and grease for the piston.wondered what that buzz was when firing,drives me nuts and takes the fun out of shooting my varmint.will get this mod done next month.just in tome for some warmer weather here in central ontario.
@1plotthound Awesome! Let us know how you make out.
Kevin, Another informative video! I always thought you need a spring compressor to take apart and reassemble a spring gun?? You did it with a little down pressure!? Scott in Pa
That's right Scott. Certain guns have less preload than others so you can get away with it. Other guns wanna become a missile as soon as their free to release. The FWB124 is a prime example of a gun that requires a spring compressor. Thanks as always my friend.
Bob Ross of pellet guns
You're the second guy to say that. Lol!
The spring guide didn't look good quality on this gun I can't understand why they didn't make it a tube and the top hat looked way too small diameter for the spring I'm not surprised it buzzed good content as always keep video's coming 👍👍👍
Thanks! It was a project mainly for the camera. I never expected much from a gun that costs around $100.
Still, that super lightweight 5.5lbs is so sweet. Ashame they had to build in so much plastic to manage it.
Thanks as always!
Great vid. Did installing those sleeves also reduce the amount of recoil., and if so did it improve accuracy?
The sleeve did not make any appreciable difference in the rifles' recoil.
Thanks for watching, Greg
Did you order a tigger for it ? I am interested in seeing that changed out . I was wondering if there was a fix for the trigger.
Never did anything with the trigger. I'm hearing that this makes a definite improvement...
www.charliedatuna.com/GRT-4G.htm
Thanks for watching my friend.
Excellent video! I’m want to do the same thing with my Varmit, but I didn’t catch what type of grease it was that you used on the spring, and is it the same grease for the piston also? I don’t want to start on it until I get some of that grease.
Molybdenum disulfied or moly grease very, very sparingly on the edge of the piston seal. Heavy spring tar on the spring. Both are available from Air Rifle Headquarters.
@@razor1962 thank you, I’ll check it out
One of those rifles you sit and shoot and wonder why you would spend so much more on a Weihrauch, and over the next year you gradually get it, without ever being quite able to explain it....and never buy a Gamo again lol
Hi Dom. For some, a Gamo is all they'll ever need. It's really not a bad rifle for the price tag.
Thanks as always, my friend.
After doing a tune on my Benjamin Prowler - clean the factory grease out, debur everything inside. Better piston seal. Use Molly grease when assembling.
The gun was made into a different machine: far quieter and smoother to cock, and most likely more velocity.
Makes a person wonder why the manufacturers don't do that and raise the price a few dollars.
It's helpful that you correctly enunciate all words.
12: 56, Why not debur the sharp edges?
Some viewers might like a link to buying the grease.
Thanks for the instructions.
Thanks for your valuable comment. Deburring the edges wasn't really necessary on this rifle. I can see where it would be a good idea on some others.
Thanks for taking the time to watch.
Thanks
Rubber washer at the base of the plastic
I'm not sure that I understand your suggestion.
@razor1962 it's a little loose where he wraps the can around the plastic if a rubber washer was inserted first it may remove that play
Could you just machine a new top hat that fits more snug to the spring? Just a thought.
Yes. I could've machined a new top hat and spring guide and that would've taken care of it. However, this video was geared toward the home tinkerer who may not have access to a lathe.
Thanks so much for watching my friend.
My Varmint spring is sounding good but I am not sure if it is the same piston and spring combo in the detuned version!🇨🇦
Looking at the size of the transfert port this may be the only thing detuning it to 495fps 😅
It did make a huge difference on yours tho!
Great subject and video
Thanks Lowkey! Not at all sure how they detune the Varmint for the Canadian market.
Your viewership is very much appreciated.
It may have been better to replace the spring guide and top hat with Delrin one’s made to fit the spring.
It definitely would've been better to make custom parts. However, this was intended to help folks who don't have the means to make such parts. Thanks so much for watching my friend.
@@razor1962 Keep making videos and I will keep watching them!
Partly based on your review and my own research (internet,forums and video reviews) I purchased a HW30.
@@elginsparrowhawk7203 Excellent choice. You'll enjoy that rifle and pass it down when you've finished with it.
People like u are a godsend
Thanks so much and thanks for watching!
So you don’t “need” a spring compressor or clamp to remove springs, the body weight pressure is enough?
This particular rifle can be carefully disassembled without a spring compressor. Reassembly on the other hand, may not be so straightforward.
Thanks for watching.
The only noise I hear is closing the barrel I would sort that my Hw35e has no noise cocking and then closing and no bong are grit noise pulling to cock it and closing and the firing cycle and it in 177cal with slugs deadly accurate they are in 13 .4 grn it loves there from a eye 👁 hunter and try them £5 a sample pack.
Slugs from a springer. Just when you thought you'd see everything. Very surprised to hear that you're having good results. Very interesting.
Your HW35E is a classic, and it's in a class above the Gamo products. I'm certain that it will serve you well.
Thanks so much for watching, my friend.
Great how to, thank you
My pleasure AK.
Thanks for watching!
Kevin: you had me hooked at aerosol can, ha! This has to help with accuracy as well. I'm new to your channel, but I did subscribe after watching. Do you have anything on working on the triggers for Gamo? Many thanks!
Thanks so much for subscribing. Nothing on the Gamo triggers as of now. Maybe in the future.
Thanks for watching!
Congratulations, i like your videos thank you.
Thanks very much, my friend.
How long will the aluminum shim last? It seems easy enough to replace it if it does wear out. Just curious how much wear and tear on the shim can take before replacing it.
I've gotten several responses when I ask the same question. It's worth noting that those shims are made of steel and not aluminum so that will definitely help them last a little bit longer. I have no idea how long they're going to last. I guess time will tell. Thanks so much for watching.
I clean my gun with WD-40 once maybe a little too much when I fired it it dieseld 🎉😮
I'll bet it did. Lol! That stuff has a way of finding its way into the transfer port. Obviously, you want to avoid that whenever possible. Thanks for watching!
Thank you - very clear video to follow. Question: what Lube did you use for the piston when reassembling? - thank you.
Thanks for watching! I have a tube of automotive molybdenum disulfide Grease or Molly Grease as it's commonly called. A single tube has lasted me for a few decades. You can buy molly grease in smaller quantities at Air Rifle Headquarters.
Never Grease the face of the Piston seal but rather only the circumference.
@@razor1962 Excellent - thank you. I have an old Gamo 500 Sporter - still shooting well after all these years but twangs and buzzes and rattles - time for some TLC. Thanks again.
Molly Grease won't help with the buzz. You'll need spring tar for that. Available at the same place
Gotcha, will do .......@@razor1962
Hello good sir, thank you for the awesome video. This sound has always drived me nuts too. Do you think this modification will decrease the accuracy of the gun? Thanks
Hi Adrian. The accuracy will not be affected by performing this modification. Thanks for watching.
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Thanks for the video. Would an aluminum can work as well for the shims?
I'm relatively confident that it wouldn't last very long. Once a wrinkle starts, I'd imagine that it would catch on the spring, getting more and more mangled with each shot.
The steel sleeve should last much longer.
Thanks for watching.
@@razor1962 Thanks for responding.
I got some god awful spring noise with this thing, it's so loud it almost drowns out the sound of the actual shot, hoping this video helps me solve this issue
Spring tar is your friend...thanks for watching.
Brilliant, thank you.
Thank you, my friend.
Great work. Thanks
Thanks, Gregg, and thanks for watching.
Awesome Teacher! What lubricant stuff should i have on my bench when i do my first tuning? Thanks
Thanks, Steve. You won't really need much. I'd recommend:
91% isopropyl alcohol (available at a pharmacy)
Moly ( molybdenum disulfied ) grease.
Heavy Spring Tar
Clear Spring Tar
Some silicone oil
That's about it. You should be able to get the moly and tar at:
airrifleheadquarters.com/
@@razor1962 Thank you Sir😃
@@steveyoung9951 Anytime, my friend.
How did the homemade shims hold up? Does the spring compress/move over the shims, and did you lube those sections as well? Thanks for the thoughtful videos!
The rifle is still shooting as smooth as glass. The sleeves ride within the spring and they take up the space between the spring guide and the spring which is where most of the "Buzz" comes from. They're holding up just fine. A second sleeve serves the same purpose around the top hat at the other end of the spring.
The spring does slide over the sleeves as it's compressed and released.
Thanks for watching, my friend.
Great video!!
Thanks man and thanks for watching!
Hay Kevin thanks for another great video, that rifle sounds great. That spring tar looks nasty stuff wouldn't want to get that on the furniture or anything she'd go mad. 🤣
Just out of interest how long are you tinkering with air guns, you seem very knowledgeable. Keep the videos coming. 👍
Thanks Graham. Spring tar and marital harmony must never cross swords.
Been enjoying airguns since I was a kid of 12 with my Daisy model 25 pump action BB gun. Started up a part time business in the eighties repairing airguns. Gave it up when I bought a fixer upper house that took all of my free time. House is done and the bug came back so here I am at it again.
@@razor1962 interesting... boys never grow up only there toys get more expensive..... 😀
What lube did you use around the piston? I know you mentioned tar for the main spring, but was the piston lube also tar or a moly paste?
I always use moly paste around the edge of the seal. Try not to get any on the face of the seal. A little goes a long way with that stuff.
Thanks for watching, my friend.
@@razor1962 appreciate the knowledge, this video has helped my tremendously 🙏🏽
@@razor1962 if I don’t have any access to heavy tar at the moment, would using Molly paste on the spring be OK? Or just wait for some tar?
@aakashk530 if you have access to good, old fashioned axle grease, (something heavy and really sticky) ot could be used. Moly paste won't hurt the spring, but it won't reduce vibration. If you're not concerned about the "buzz", pretty much any quality grease, used sparingly, will do just fine.
Hi Kevin, I like how you set up your Gamo rifle. I have. 25 and what to remove the large front sight assembly, much like your rifles. My assembly does not have a set screw so I have no clue how to remove it. Do you have any suggestions? Thank you!
Hello, my friend. I'm not familiar with the front sight that you're referring to. I'd have to have a look before making any sort of suggestion.
I can tell you that on some guns, the front sight is a sleeve that is a friction fit, meaning that it's simply pressed over the muzzle. On my Chinese made, 1100s, the first 3 inches or so of the barrel are knurled so that the plastic front sight sleeve stays put.
I'm sorry that I can't be of any more help.
Thank you for your response! I am certain it's pressure fitted. I have a heat gun, and I am thinking of warming the front sight assembly. Once heated, I will use a wood block and tap it off gently. Do you think this will work without messing up the sight and barrel? Once more, thank you for sharing. I thoroughly enjoy your video and knowledge.
Happy Easter!
@@gibstera5580 Happy Easter.
So, you did this job without a spring compressor. Will this method work on many other break barrels?
Allot of spring guns can be torn down without a spring compressor. Still, it's best to use one when in doubt. Checking the preload on the spring by levering a screwdriver against the coils via the cocking slot can help determine if it's got too much tension to tackle without a compressor.
Thanks for watching.
Why doesn't Gamo pay attention to this details
Does eliminating the buzz also help other parts last longer or preform better? I'm sure the scope will thank you..
Although I can't say for sure, it does seem to help the stock screws to stay torqued down.
Thanks for watching, my friend.
my main question about this rifle is how far can you shoot and kill varmint with it?
That would depend upon a couple of factors. What kind of "varmint" you're hunting and how proficient you are with the rifle. Nothing bigger than rabbits or squirrels and no farther than 40 yards would be my advice. I'm certain that others will disagree but a responsible person will er on the conservative side.
Thanks for watching.
@@razor1962 thanks a lot man.
Great video by the way, it's something i might want to keep in mind if i end up having this spring buzz too.
@@uihdqsmfnsdvqep It's not a bad gun for the price. The trigger is It's biggest issue. Once you've mastered it, it'll shoot pretty straight.
What is "dieseling"?
At the instant that a spring piston airgun is fired, the air that's being compressed so fast that it heats up to somewhere around 2000 degrees (if memory serves) for a split second. If there's any somewhat combustible oils in the compression chamber it will ignite and there will be smoke. This is called dieseling.
Did you sell this gun ?
Nope. No takers yet. I've been thinking about ordering an aftermarket trigger for it but I haven't gotten around to it.
Thanks for watching.
Glorified version of a pellet gun feel so Manley...
Hey Buddy!!! Good to hear from you. Thanks for watching!
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How not to lube a spring and piston guys enough lube in this gun for a steam engine
Been working on airguns since the early '80s. Pretty sure I know what I'm doing.
@@razor1962 Doesn't mean you are right though🤠
@@DiscusRussell Yes, as a matter of fact, it does...The results speak for themselves and have proven my methods for more than 40 years. Spring tar is to be used rather liberally and moly grease merely requires a light coating to the bearing surfaces of the piston just as I demonstrated in the video. Stick with me kid. You'll learn something....
It's a GAMO Varmint ! The things got more Twang then a Fender Telecaster. 🤷🏼♂️ Tar's about the best thing you've got going for you at that point. 😉 This ain't no TX 200... 😁😆😅😂🤣🤣
FTR: A steam engine is WAY Better Built. LOL.
It's just Common Sense... Given the length of the rear guide, top hat, and that BA spring there is just a butt ton of unchecked real estate in that spring to dampen. What else do you have to work with ??? 🤷🏼♂️
Common Sense is apparently just a lot less common these days. 😉
@@razor1962 A Guy "Quite Successfully" makes a silk purse out of a sow's ear and this guy's big take away is "You Used Too Much Thread"... 😉 Really... Seriously ??? 🤷🏼♂️ WTAF ? 😆 LOL.