Tibet and the Himalayas: In conversation with Chogyal Wangchuk Namgyal, the 13th Chogyal of Sikkim
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- Опубликовано: 26 май 2023
- Sikkim celebrated the centenary birth anniversary of its 12th Chogyal (Dharma king) Palden Thondup Namgyal on May 22, 2023. We had the privilege to sit down with Chogyal Wangchuk Namgyal,the 13th Chogyal and second son of the last sovereign king of Sikkim, Palden Thondup Namgyal to talk about his lineage and the fraternal relationship between the erstwhile kingdom of Sikkim and Tibet.
བོད་དང་ཧི་མ་ལ་ཡ། འབྲས་ལྗོངས་ཆོས་རྒྱལ་དབང་ཕྱུག་རྣམ་རྒྱལ་མཆོག་དང་གླེང་མོལ་ཞུས་པ།
བོད་དང་ཧི་མ་ལ་ཡའི་ལེ་ཚན་ནང་ཉེ་ལམ་ཕྱི་ཚེས་ ༢༢་ཉིན་རྒྱ་གར་བྱང་ཤར་འབྲས་ལྗོངས་སུ་འབྲས་ལྗོངས་ཆོས་རྒྱལ་བཅུ་གཉིས་པ་དམ་པ་དཔལ་ལྡན་དོན་གྲུབ་རྣམ་རྒྱལ་མཆོག་སྐུ་འཁྲུངས་ནས་ལོ་ ༡༠༠ འཁོར་བའི་དུས་དྲན་སྲུང་བརྩི་ཞུས་པ་ལྟར། ད་ལྟའི་ཆོས་རྒྱལ་བཅུ་གསུམ་པ་དབང་ཕྱུག་རྣམ་རྒྱལ་མཆོག་དང་ལྷན་དུ་ཆོས་རྒྱལ་ཕོ་བྲང་དུ་འབྲས་ལྗོངས་ཆོས་རྒྱལ་ཀྱི་ལོ་རྒྱུས་གཙོས་བོད་དང་འབྲས་ལྗོངས་དབར་གྱི་འབྲེལ་བ་སོགས་ཀྱི་སྐོར་ལ་བཅར་འདྲི་ཞུས་ཡོད།
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Excellent interview: the present Choegyal is not only very well educated, but also a man endowed with a great common sense and simplicity. And also seems to be very intellectual. May he live long to serve his people!
I am pleasantly surprised at the Chyogyal's command over the Tibetan language. Sounds very learned and humble. Thank you your Highness. ❤🙏🙏🙏
Its heart drenching to see all Tibetic country fall one by one. Bhutan is the last outpost. Long live Sovereign Bhutan, monarchy.
that is why Bhutan refused refuge to Tibetans 🙄also the Dalai Lama never visits Bhutan. Strange affinity with Tibetans
@@ritanarayanan1489 Bhutan don't even recognise China 🤣🤣 . So get lost
@@dreamadventure8220 don't you know that the Tibetans tried to collapse the kingdom of Bhutan in a conspiracy with GoI?
@@dreamadventure8220 We recognize we country on earth.
I always wanted to see or hear the Deyjong Choegyal since childhood. Haven’t listened to the whole interview because something is painful inside to see Tibet and Tibetans broken into pieces like this by Chinese as well as India and of course the British following the colonialisms and politics of so called great powers or selfish powers. To me Deyjong, Ladakhis; spiti, khunu etc, moenpa, Bhutanese are all same Tibetan people separated by power and powers. Great to finally get a glimpse of the Deyjong Choegyal chog looking well and elegant eternally. Please remain healthy and strong and resilient as ever. I love the Deyjong Choegyal since I heard of your existence inexplicably. Good job VOT
If ladakhis, bhutias monpas, butanese are all the same and are all Tibetan, in that case Tibetans, manchus, Mongols, turkistanis are all the same and are all Chinese. And all Pakistanis Bangladeshis, sri lankans are all the same and are all Indians. You see things don't work that way.
Listen to your Choegyal.
@@mehroseemehrosee3887bot needs to study. Bangladeshis are not of Indian descent, they are a mixed breed of Muslim invaders. Like what the f is wrong with your knowledge?!
Chen, you are just another mislead, ignorant personality. You seem to be lacking strength in your character. Back in those days, china did illegally occupy Tibet. Hope Cooke was roaming like a snake within the Sikkim royal king's head. Why the hell was he having an affair with a commoner of another land while already having a queen?! Totally shows his irresponsible nature towards royal duties and as a father to his children. Why was she going around with a married man? They had an affair. Everyone knows that. You can't compare hope Cooke with elegant/timeless beauty of the last queen mother sangey dekila. Somehow hope's children are still roaming in the scene.
Obviously when the local sikkimese know that china illegally occupied Tibet, there was no TV back then but sikkimese aren't dumb, they knew about all this. The king was too entangled with hope Cooke and unable to take charge. Accession was done because nobody wanted USA to control Sikkim. So Sikkim is better off with India.
Also, don't blame china and India for your stupid notion of Tibetan land, you people have divided yourselves much before the British occupation. So u can't blame the British either, my friend. Tibetans need to unite as a confederacy atleast.
Naturally, Dalai Lama willingly took shelter in India, not in China because he knows India doesnt force and he also knew how to deal with Indians. Take some important scriptures of the ancient past and he bargained on that, settled in the Himachal. Ladakhis in the north, don't wanna go with China. Nepali royals were killed by the chinese, last Nepali princess is alive and is the queen of Gwalior as the wife of titular king scindia of Gwalior, madhya Pradesh. Bhutan royals adopted the same Dalai Lama tactics and said their young prince was born as a monk previously in Nalanda or was it taxila? Whatever.
India is least bothered but if Sikkim people knew the truth back then then you can't change the truth. People wanted democracy. They didn't want communist china nor monarchy. Sikkim can't ask for protectorate if the royal household isn't stable. You can't make a country do everything for you while you romance away.
China was going to invade Sikkim and today sikkimese would be speaking and writing in mandarin with no respect to their native identity, culture and language. So wake up and use your brains!!
Dalai Lama is the LHAMA, he wasnt joking around when he decided to take shelter in India. The Sikkim royals lost the battle with the Indian govt because the Sikkim king was too busy with Hope Cooke.
Everyone knows sangey dekila died a tragic death, that woman wasn't happy. Stop lying. If you leave India, it's china for you. There is no in between that's why Dalai Lama is intelligent. He knows how Chinese are because he saw with his own eyes. Learn to trust the knowledge and experience of the Tibetan Lhamas at least! This is also why china doesn't like India's innocence and Dalai Lama's claims over Tibet.
If Tibetans can unify and become strong militarily. Indian govt won't care but Tibetan noblety and royals have been divided amongst themselves too much. So don't blame china or India for your failure to be united.
Last but not the least, there was no invasion of Sikkim by India. The Sikkim royal household is too weak to accept their mistakes. Their king can't take the military of another country for granted or increase his own military. When you kill violent people, that's called non violence, so you have to have an army, strong enough to defend.
Look at the intelligence reports, china had already started threatening sikkim's position. Either Sikkim could have opted for being Tibet part 2 or could have merged with India. You can't live alone with India's protection if you don't surrender the land because THATS what they are after!
You think the Chinese care about sikkimese people? BS! They don't even care about the Buddhists in their own country. It was always about the land. India didn't care before but Indira Gandhi wasn't as ducky as her father, she knew exactly what the Chinese were thinking. Even today india can only protect Bhutan according to the terms in the protectorate document otherwise Bhutan will also have to merge willingly to be taken full control of because they don't have an army. Use common sense dude!!! Dalai Lama isnt just clever but he knows the difference between china and India so stop your fake propaganda. Better read some actual history rather than being a keyboard warrior!
@@mehroseemehrosee3887 oh no, Tibetan share nothing common with Chinese, unlike us Himalayan who are linguistically, culturally and ethnically same with Tibetans. Same is not case of Chinese, Tibetan and turkistan
History of Sikkim well explained by the king himself where he says we all have our ancestors and lineage from tibet. But it is sad to witness, we so called Bhutia's do not acknowledge the fact that we all are from Tibet in the end we all are Tibetan sadly we think we are separate from Tibetan and we are not refugee that's what we bhutia say on the contrary the king is well read and knows the history of Sikkim very well. Perhaps we bhutias and denzongpaa need to look back and read our history about our ancestors our lineage well.
It doesn't work that way. If bhutias claim their ancestors to be from Tibetan lineages, then whom do the Tibetans claim their lineage to be from? The Han Chinese claim themselves to be the ancestors of Tibetans which means bhutias also have their origin in Han Chinese. Would you agree or accept this notion as fact? One shouldn't go back centuries in history as it isn't going to solve anything but only further complicate things. 'Who has origin where' will only lead to conflicts.
Listen to your Choegyal
@@mehroseemehrosee3887 many northeast tribals like the nagas are theorized to have come from a nearby region of China suggesting they are related to one of the ethnicities in that region. Other northeast tribals are closely related to Burmese and Cambodians. Ultimately, even the Chinese have an origin source. The bhutias of sikkim are an amalgamation of tibetic people but it's said that the first bhutia settlers who came with the Chogyal's ancestor were Tangut/Qiangsic people and this population is pretty much preserved in the West and South of Sikkim where the early capitals used to be. Perhaps, that explains some of the vocabulary differences that are unintelligible in Tibetan as well as the type of Bön practice preserved to a little extent from some of these first families who are known as Bonpo/Phempu.
One should cherish his ancestry, it's language and culture however "refugee" Status has nothing to do with ancestry or ethnicity. Bhutia are of Tibetan origin but in no way they are refugees in sikkim. They are one of the earliest settlere of sikkim along with Lepcha and limboo. Fact that you want all Bhutia to accept themselves as refugee is hilarious 😂 and sad at the same time.
Miwang denjong chogyal wangchuk namgyal kutse tenpar sho! Denjong gyalo!!
Thank you.. May peace prevail and Choegyal live long.
❤long live Chogyal. hope it can have English subtitles.
Long Live Drejong Miwang Chogyal Chenpo
Preserve your identity and language and culture !! This is greatest respect to your Sikkimese culture
Long live chugyal , I love འབྲས་མོ་ལྗོངས།
Wonderful interview !
very humble king.
We wish Choghal la live long and God bless him a very successful life.
He addressed a very interesting history background between Tibet and Sikkim and previous king and queen. Thanks for your purely Tibetan language.
Very nice interview!
Thank you Choegyal la.
Long live sikkim King 🤴 lineage ❤
Great interview 😊
Long live Chogyal of Sikkim!
Long live the king Choegyal la, khe kutsering, 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🌹🌹💐💐💐
Kading Che. Kutsering🙏🙏🙏💐💐💐🌷🌷🌷
Long Live The King
Long live Chogyal !
Love you sikkim kingdom ❤
Long live our king 👑
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It's strange how he's maintained cordial relations with the Dalai Lama when the Dalai Lama and the Tibetan government betrayed his father during the annexation. Could it be because the earlier Chogyals were heavily dependent on the Tibetan government for remaining in power due to various problems?
Yes when nepal captured sikkim the chogyal had fled to sikkim and died there in exile sikkim was heavily dependent on tibet even in the war with bhutan tibet had helped Sikkim
@@phurbadukpa6142 so many kings were dependent on the Dalai Lama for power. But even before the aforementioned incident, the Chogyals would still marry brides from Tibetan aristocracy so they are technically Tibetans.
༄། སྦས་ཡུལ་འབྲས་མོ་ལྗོངས་ཀི་ཆོས་རྒྱལ་མཆོག་ལ་སྙིང་ཐག་པ་ནས་བཀའ་དྲིན་ཆེ་ཞུ་བ་དང་སྐུ་ཚེ་ཡུན་རིང་བཞུགས་པའི་བཀྲ་ཤིས་སྨོན་ལམ་ཞུ་།🙏🏼🌹🌞🌻🌞🌹🙏🏼
ལེ་ཚན་འདི་ཧ་ཅང་ཡག་པོ་འདུག།བསྟན་འཛིན་འགྱུར་མེད་ལགས །ཐུགས་རྗེ་ཆེ།
བཀྲིན་ཆེ། 🙏🏻
🙏🏼🌹🙏🏼🌹🙏🏼👍🌻👍🙏🏼🌹🙏🏼🌹🙏🏼
Anyway so why didn't he marry? He seriously doesn't have kids? Who is gonna take the throne after him?
ཤིན་ཏུ་ལེགས། བཀའ་དྲིན་ཆེ།།
སྙིང་ཐག་པ་ནས་ཐུགས་རྗེ་ཆེ་🙏🏼👍🙏🏼བསྟན་འཛིན་འགྱུར་མེད་ལགས་🙏🏼🌹🙏🏼
བཀྲིན་ཆེ།
What about present situation with India and how the Indian government’s behaviour on your dynasty?
He is tracked day and night by RAW. But I think he doesn't care anymore and he is also no longer perceived as a threat by GoI.
Tibetan religion and culture have dominated Sikkim since the 13th century, ... three Tibetan lama-s crowned the first king, a Tibetan from
མི་ཉག་ Minyak in Kham.
As it says Lama and the disciple need to examine carefully before you commit that what Chatral Rinpoche a wandering yogi retreating in hermitages in remote areas of India and Nepal. wasn't impressed by names and fames.
Are denjongpos I mean Bhutia people of sikkim(denjongpas) once Tibetans
@@tsheringudeb6821yes listen to your chogyal , he clearly is talking in Tibetan , you guys clearly have a very less population and on top of it you try to divide among yourself
And calling Tibetans immigrants, well there are 5 lakhs Tibetans alone in India who are well established and 7 million in Tibet but you people calling Tibetans immigrants and badmouthing and trying to compare eventually led your population maybe 40 thousand to decrease and sad that there are only Nepali speaking people in Sikkim nowdays instead have unity with the Tibetan people and can save the culture and traditions atleast stupid people , immigrants at your own land
CHOGM is an abbreviation.
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On March 20, 1963, the crown prince of Sikkim, Palden Thondup Namgyal, married Hope Cooke, a 22-year-old American girl from New York City.
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The Crown Prince became maharajah in 1963, after the death of his father, Sir Tashi Namgyal, who ruled Sikkim for nearly half a century.
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