Any stereo widening should be done in the mix, not on your master-unless, of course, you're going for an unnatural sound. That's something that bothers me about many of the plugins hosted by Plugin Alliance, which are promoted as tools for a 2-buss/master, but promote M/S widening. And even though the bass--in-mono knob is handy, adding width like this, even in a mix, is something that should be done in moderation. A good start to a solid mix is natural width.
The noise modules are interesting, but the stereoizer suffers from the same ugly problem that afflicts other similar plugins using simple haas effect without modulation (Spread, Wider, GreenHaas, etc...). The left and right channels sound horribly phasey/comb-filtered when listened alone. The problem is only "masked" when you listen in a perfectly centered stereo environment but the full end result still sounds very unnatural. Try to pan hard left or hard right and you will cleary hear the issue. In my experience the only way to solve this problem (while adding other problems if done wrong) is adding some kind of lfo/modulation to the haas effect delay, and the only plugin that I know and that does this correctly is Xpander by OZSoft. My two cents. EDIT: I commented because I love your other plugins, I don't like it when there is just one plugin available in the market for a specific purpose (XPander), so I hope you will add some lfo/modulation to the stereoizer section of the plugin. Keep up the good work!
Thanks for the comment! That's true, stereoizers all have their pros and cons. I personally like the sound of simple haas-style stereoizers, and as long as they cancel out in mono, I'm a happy camper. I do, however, totally understand where you are coming from and I could perhaps someday implement an alternative stereoizer algorithm with modulation.
@@sixthsample Oh, I thought this was based on my suggestion for "pseudo stereo from mono signals that sill has mono-compatibility" (like Expanse 3D) that I posted on your Further video about three months ago and you had put your own spin on it. This has the stereoize option, so is this plugin accomplishing that task, or do you have something else up your sleeve? One of the things I like about Expanse 3D is that it has different stereo algorithms that change the widening effect, when using it on different instruments they aren't widened in exactly the same way and that gives better results.
@@Tekkerue Yeah, using different widening algorithms is very useful sometimes. You are right though, both plugins do similar things with the stereo field. :)
The stereoize control works similarly to a basic Haas effect, but the side information cancels out when summed to mono. This is to keep the mono information intact.
@@sixthsample wait, so you mean that you made it so that the stereoize control creates side information that has perfectly destructive interference? That's a very clever solution!
can anyone explain how it is still mono compatible, when the other instance shows the correlation meter going into the negative? I thought negative correlation = phase cancellation?
Great question! What I mean by mono-compatible here is that the plugin is non-destructive to the mono signal. That is, if the audio is folded down to mono after running through the plugin, no matter what settings you've dialed in, you don't lose any mono information compared to the pre-processed signal. What the correlation meter is telling you is given the last couple of hundreds of milliseconds or so, how much of the signal you would lose if you were to fold the processed signal down to mono. 1 would mean none, and -1 would mean all of it. By definition, all audio that has any width to it will lose some data when folded down to mono. It's only when you're on the left side of the correlation meter the majority of the time it can become an issue because that means the majority of your audio is side information and if that sound is an integral part of your mix in stereo, you could bump into surprises when your track is played back in mono. I hope that helps :)
wow! another unique approach to stereo widening! thanx, Aapo!
separate noise followers for mid and side + filtering of those on top are an amazing idea!
Best modern independent plug-in maker of our times. If you ever decide to make a synth I'll be first in line
Wow, I really appreciate it!
Your work is amazing.
You make great plugins bro. Noice!
this tool is definitely not for master (imo) but looks great for infinite wide pads or some things that suppose to be lush and big. thank you!
Any stereo widening should be done in the mix, not on your master-unless, of course, you're going for an unnatural sound.
That's something that bothers me about many of the plugins hosted by Plugin Alliance, which are promoted as tools for a 2-buss/master, but promote M/S widening. And even though the bass--in-mono knob is handy, adding width like this, even in a mix, is something that should be done in moderation. A good start to a solid mix is natural width.
The noise modules are interesting, but the stereoizer suffers from the same ugly problem that afflicts other similar plugins using simple haas effect without modulation (Spread, Wider, GreenHaas, etc...). The left and right channels sound horribly phasey/comb-filtered when listened alone. The problem is only "masked" when you listen in a perfectly centered stereo environment but the full end result still sounds very unnatural. Try to pan hard left or hard right and you will cleary hear the issue. In my experience the only way to solve this problem (while adding other problems if done wrong) is adding some kind of lfo/modulation to the haas effect delay, and the only plugin that I know and that does this correctly is Xpander by OZSoft. My two cents.
EDIT: I commented because I love your other plugins, I don't like it when there is just one plugin available in the market for a specific purpose (XPander), so I hope you will add some lfo/modulation to the stereoizer section of the plugin. Keep up the good work!
Thanks for the comment! That's true, stereoizers all have their pros and cons. I personally like the sound of simple haas-style stereoizers, and as long as they cancel out in mono, I'm a happy camper. I do, however, totally understand where you are coming from and I could perhaps someday implement an alternative stereoizer algorithm with modulation.
Good morning Albert!
Good morning! :)
Good night 💤
OMG you made it! In just three months, that's impressive. 🤯🤯
BTW, I get a free copy for suggesting the idea right? 😜
The specific idea for this plugin came from another customer but I really appreciate your input!
@@sixthsample Oh, I thought this was based on my suggestion for "pseudo stereo from mono signals that sill has mono-compatibility" (like Expanse 3D) that I posted on your Further video about three months ago and you had put your own spin on it. This has the stereoize option, so is this plugin accomplishing that task, or do you have something else up your sleeve? One of the things I like about Expanse 3D is that it has different stereo algorithms that change the widening effect, when using it on different instruments they aren't widened in exactly the same way and that gives better results.
@@Tekkerue Yeah, using different widening algorithms is very useful sometimes. You are right though, both plugins do similar things with the stereo field. :)
Why don't you add some early reflection to it and a diffusion setting.
works good!
I'm just curious, how does the stereoize control work?
The stereoize control works similarly to a basic Haas effect, but the side information cancels out when summed to mono. This is to keep the mono information intact.
@@sixthsample Thank you
@@sixthsample wait, so you mean that you made it so that the stereoize control creates side information that has perfectly destructive interference?
That's a very clever solution!
can anyone explain how it is still mono compatible, when the other instance shows the correlation meter going into the negative?
I thought negative correlation = phase cancellation?
Great question! What I mean by mono-compatible here is that the plugin is non-destructive to the mono signal. That is, if the audio is folded down to mono after running through the plugin, no matter what settings you've dialed in, you don't lose any mono information compared to the pre-processed signal. What the correlation meter is telling you is given the last couple of hundreds of milliseconds or so, how much of the signal you would lose if you were to fold the processed signal down to mono. 1 would mean none, and -1 would mean all of it. By definition, all audio that has any width to it will lose some data when folded down to mono. It's only when you're on the left side of the correlation meter the majority of the time it can become an issue because that means the majority of your audio is side information and if that sound is an integral part of your mix in stereo, you could bump into surprises when your track is played back in mono. I hope that helps :)
whats the mono bass cutoff freq?
It's 120 Hz :)
@@sixthsample great product! I have one small suggestion for a future update: add the option to adjust the bass cutoff frequency! 😉
@@abrahamprojectyes please