Five months and six comments. So you’ve got one of the best minds in ecological economics and overshoot and he’s telling people there’s a major problem. I guess for me, it probably shows how big the problem is that so few people are listening to what he’s got to say. This doesn’t bode well.
I read The Long Emergency. As I understand it, Peak oil discoveries on the planet was known around 1948. The math was pretty simple by 1956 when reported global peak oil production would be around 23 years ago. It was around 2006, as far as I know. Climate projections projected a crisis of civilization about the year 2025 in 1979. I suspect we are lucky to keep the die-off away by keeping the fossil-fuel use going this long. Insurance companies are leaving states as predicable. 10 years ago, someone was going around telling whoever would listen, we would not have insurance for the world of chaos we now see about us.
I agree with others who say it is a predicament and not a problem. Problems, in theory, are solvable. We have put ourselves in our own self-created Kobayashi Maru...
And the people listening are bored as we know all this times 1000 from yonks ago , anyone who could do anything about it is a trained non listener . Its literally having to tell people to be less well off and less social status , it won`t happen . Will our offsprings successfully battle their offsprings is where it will be at in when the evolution crunch of the survival of the fittest and luckiest takes hold .
Back in the 70s and 80s, there were PSAs that asked people to preserve the Earth for their grandchildren. Now we recognize that we don’t give a shot about the well-being of our grandchildren.
We are now in a certain death spiral of rapidly increasing global temperatures driven by fossil fuel dependence, which can only increase more and more rapidly as we must use more and more AC/ELECTRICITY to cool ourselves and stay alive.
As of today January 2024.... this video has been up for 10 months on RUclips... ...with a piddly 6300 views and only 178 pathetic likes... I give a huge middle finger to Western Civilization for not paying attention...
@@chadreilly 60`s and 70`s education was dreadfully optimistic , Its almost worst for those generations dealing with the horror of the scale of the lie !. I think to be fair there was a period of rapid change so one went with the flow whilst ignoring hard overshoot facts . Also we swallowed the adverts and ignored the ugly waste behind the billboards . But that's a human condition and we lack leadership explaining this .
Simon Micheax of Finland Geological Survey reckons Peak Fossil Fuels happens in 2027. If so, the Collapse comes soon after, and it hits different people in different ways. To divide humanity into three camps: 1) the poorest countries begin to starve because ammonia fertilizer is reduced and those countries are unable to compete to buy it. 2) Middle class people in more wealthy countries eat, but fuel prices and food prices go up at enormous rates. Everyone has to cut back their lifestyles. Eventually, that may not be enough. 3) The Global 1% are hardly affected at all. They continue attending COPs in private jets and spending Christmas in Aspen or the Alps. In describing the world of 2040 or so. It goes downhill after that.
The problem is that the US Geological Survey estimates of global commodities are only enough metals and minerals are 2-5% of projected needs for this century.
Overpopulation is the ‘mother of all problems’, as was predicted in the ‘70s but grossly ignored ever since. One might ask: if overpopulation is enabled or caused by fossil fuels, where leaves us that? On the other hand, it is becoming a moot question very quickly, as nature will turn against us. As far as we know, we are the only species who care.
An excellent presentation. Thinking about current over population . There are almost 1 Billion people living right now under extreme economics situation .Living under poor levels . The countries most poorest have the upper birth rate . So I suspect something is going really in a wrong direction in this world and the future seems very complicated!!!
So depressing to hear our cities require 100 to 1000+ times their size in hinterland exploitation to live at their current standards. Even super-high-density Tokyo requires more than 2 times the entire land area of its nation (Japan). Of course, this excessive exploitation (living grossly out of balance with natural resources) is how our single species has destroyed 60% of all wildlife in the past 50 years. As he notes, our "overshoot is a fatal condition". And exponential growth (of the human population) will (probably?) be followed by exponential decline.
A great talk, thank you! I was wondering about the use of the primary energy sources that Professor Rees cites. i) For the “global primary energy consumption by source” picture at 22:02, although fossil fuels are shown taking up 82% of primary energy, only a third of this (27%) can be “usefully” consumed (see below). Whereas, all of the primary energy from renewables (4-5%) can potentially be usefully used. At present (2023), although not brilliant, there is still a ratio of ~6:1 (27:4.5) of fossil fuel useful energy compared to renewable energy, as opposed to of 19:1 that might be assumed by just comparing the ratios of fossil fuel to renewable primary energy respectively. ii) For the “BP New Momentum Scenario” picture at 26:24 things are looking a bit better, by 2050 although fossil fuels still account for ~60% of primary energy, this again can be divided by 3 to get the useful energy from burning stuff, i.e. 20%. Yet by 2050 we see that Renewables + Hydro + Nuclear will be accounting ~40% of total primary energy usage, fully twice what we will usefully get from fossil fuels. So by 2050 we have a ratio of 2:1 (40:20) in favour of non-fossil energy sources, i.e. ⅔ of our useful energy requirements come from “renewables” (incl. nukes + hydro), while only the remaining third comes from fossil fuel sources. This would suggest that if we could knock out ⅓ of our actual energy consumption (not primary energy supply) by 2050 - specifically the fossil fuel part! - perhaps by adopting a European level of energy use as opposed to the US level of consumption, then we may have a shot at addressing our emissions from the energy sector… NB: * Assuming roughly ⅓ (approx) of fossil fuel primary energy can be usefully used, the remaining ⅔ is lost immediately as waste heat due to the thermodynamic inefficiency of “burning stuff”. * Renewable energy is potentially all primary energy and can be used immediately for useful work, neglecting transmission losses etc. * Subsequently all downstream energy (whether from originating from renewables or fossil fuels) is dissipated as waste heat and eventually radiated out into space.
50-60 cm sealevel rise is more like 170 years. It’s already baked in, but it’s slow. Most of that diane happen until after 2100. That’s why it’s so hard to convince people it’s really happening.
Thank you! You have convinced me that Russia is the land of the future: biggest reserves of resources of all kinds, fossile fuels as well as renewable energy for centuries to come and millions of square kilometres of potentially fertile land waiting for climate to get finally warmer.
Immigrants from the south (those are the illegal ones, right?) can only get to NYC with assistance. Some of that assistance is through false promises by the governments of Florida and Texas. That's kidnapping.
At 34 minutes Sustainable population ..world carrying capacity ..1 to 2 billion as world carrying as population capacity OR REDUCE present people number by 1 or 2 Billion ?
In theory you create hydrogen with electricity so you can actually produce electricity now but use the energy much later or in a different geographical location.
My only disagreement with Prof. Rees' excellent presentation is with his dependence on the "other" (government, UN, environmental organizations, etc.) when the ONLY possibility to follow his guidelines is on an INDIVIDUAL basis, and the powerful propaganda machine of the fossil fuel lobby will spend its last nickel to resist INDIVIDUAL change.
Gosh people's, the Holy Bible is true & its happening in our life time , u know y , because, people's have sealed their fate by their iffy walking, y all this ! 💝💒👣👑
Bill Rees is at the very top of my "Heroes" list.
Five months and six comments. So you’ve got one of the best minds in ecological economics and overshoot and he’s telling people there’s a major problem. I guess for me, it probably shows how big the problem is that so few people are listening to what he’s got to say. This doesn’t bode well.
I read The Long Emergency. As I understand it, Peak oil discoveries on the planet was known around 1948. The math was pretty simple by 1956 when reported global peak oil production would be around 23 years ago. It was around 2006, as far as I know.
Climate projections projected a crisis of civilization about the year 2025 in 1979.
I suspect we are lucky to keep the die-off away by keeping the fossil-fuel use going this long.
Insurance companies are leaving states as predicable. 10 years ago, someone was going around telling whoever would listen, we would not have insurance for the world of chaos we now see about us.
WASF.
I agree with others who say it is a predicament and not a problem. Problems, in theory, are solvable. We have put ourselves in our own self-created Kobayashi Maru...
@@Mike80528No-one wants to hear that rhey have to spend less money than they make, either. But in the end, everyone does.
And the people listening are bored as we know all this times 1000 from yonks ago , anyone who could do anything about it is a trained non listener . Its literally having to tell people to be less well off and less social status , it won`t happen . Will our offsprings successfully battle their offsprings is where it will be at in when the evolution crunch of the survival of the fittest and luckiest takes hold .
This world population is unsustainable
Back in the 70s and 80s, there were PSAs that asked people to preserve the Earth for their grandchildren. Now we recognize that we don’t give a shot about the well-being of our grandchildren.
Dr. Rees is on point!
We are now in a certain death spiral of rapidly increasing global temperatures driven by fossil fuel dependence, which can only increase more and more rapidly as we must use more and more AC/ELECTRICITY to cool ourselves and stay alive.
This man changed the way I view the world. Thank you professor Rees.
As of today January 2024.... this video has been up for 10 months on RUclips...
...with a piddly 6300 views and only 178 pathetic likes... I give a huge middle finger to Western Civilization for not paying attention...
I used to be a cornucopian techno optimist. Now I'm a Malthusiam doomer.
Lol, I think we all start off as techno-optimists.
@@chadreilly 60`s and 70`s education was dreadfully optimistic , Its almost worst for those generations dealing with the horror of the scale of the lie !. I think to be fair there was a period of rapid change so one went with the flow whilst ignoring hard overshoot facts . Also we swallowed the adverts and ignored the ugly waste behind the billboards . But that's a human condition and we lack leadership explaining this .
Simon Micheax of Finland Geological Survey reckons Peak Fossil Fuels happens in 2027. If so, the Collapse comes soon after, and it hits different people in different ways. To divide humanity into three camps: 1) the poorest countries begin to starve because ammonia fertilizer is reduced and those countries are unable to compete to buy it. 2) Middle class people in more wealthy countries eat, but fuel prices and food prices go up at enormous rates. Everyone has to cut back their lifestyles. Eventually, that may not be enough. 3) The Global 1% are hardly affected at all. They continue attending COPs in private jets and spending Christmas in Aspen or the Alps. In describing the world of 2040 or so. It goes downhill after that.
I do not think so, the rich will be overthrown by the poor
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The problem is that the US Geological Survey estimates of global commodities are only enough metals and minerals are 2-5% of projected needs for this century.
Try talking about this with someone and watch how you get isolated, ridiculed and cast out. It is scary how programmed our societies are.
"Try talking about this with someone and watch how you get isolated, ridiculed and cast out." Yep, no one wants to talk about it.
@@HealingLifeKwiklyI do and will continue to .
Overpopulation is the ‘mother of all problems’, as was predicted in the ‘70s but grossly ignored ever since. One might ask: if overpopulation is enabled or caused by fossil fuels, where leaves us that? On the other hand, it is becoming a moot question very quickly, as nature will turn against us. As far as we know, we are the only species who care.
I love being taught real things.
An excellent presentation.
Thinking about current over population .
There are almost 1 Billion people living right now under extreme economics situation .Living under poor levels . The countries most poorest have the upper birth rate .
So I suspect something is going really in a wrong direction in this world and the future seems very complicated!!!
Have a nice day.
Psycho.
Thank you
So depressing to hear our cities require 100 to 1000+ times their size in hinterland exploitation to live at their current standards. Even super-high-density Tokyo requires more than 2 times the entire land area of its nation (Japan). Of course, this excessive exploitation (living grossly out of balance with natural resources) is how our single species has destroyed 60% of all wildlife in the past 50 years. As he notes, our "overshoot is a fatal condition". And exponential growth (of the human population) will (probably?) be followed by exponential decline.
Not probably, definitely. Once the oil starts to become too energy intensive to extract, we will collapse.
What amazes me is the 2 comments to this talk 😮
Not me
Most people simply cannot conceive of the death of everyone who is alive today, even though, by one measure or another it is inevitable.
A great talk, thank you! I was wondering about the use of the primary energy sources that Professor Rees cites.
i) For the “global primary energy consumption by source” picture at 22:02, although fossil fuels are shown taking up 82% of primary energy, only a third of this (27%) can be “usefully” consumed (see below). Whereas, all of the primary energy from renewables (4-5%) can potentially be usefully used. At present (2023), although not brilliant, there is still a ratio of ~6:1 (27:4.5) of fossil fuel useful energy compared to renewable energy, as opposed to of 19:1 that might be assumed by just comparing the ratios of fossil fuel to renewable primary energy respectively.
ii) For the “BP New Momentum Scenario” picture at 26:24 things are looking a bit better, by 2050 although fossil fuels still account for ~60% of primary energy, this again can be divided by 3 to get the useful energy from burning stuff, i.e. 20%. Yet by 2050 we see that Renewables + Hydro + Nuclear will be accounting ~40% of total primary energy usage, fully twice what we will usefully get from fossil fuels. So by 2050 we have a ratio of 2:1 (40:20) in favour of non-fossil energy sources, i.e. ⅔ of our useful energy requirements come from “renewables” (incl. nukes + hydro), while only the remaining third comes from fossil fuel sources.
This would suggest that if we could knock out ⅓ of our actual energy consumption (not primary energy supply) by 2050 - specifically the fossil fuel part! - perhaps by adopting a European level of energy use as opposed to the US level of consumption, then we may have a shot at addressing our emissions from the energy sector…
NB:
* Assuming roughly ⅓ (approx) of fossil fuel primary energy can be usefully used, the remaining ⅔ is lost immediately as waste heat due to the thermodynamic inefficiency of “burning stuff”.
* Renewable energy is potentially all primary energy and can be used immediately for useful work, neglecting transmission losses etc.
* Subsequently all downstream energy (whether from originating from renewables or fossil fuels) is dissipated as waste heat and eventually radiated out into space.
great talk.
50-60 cm sealevel rise is more like 170 years. It’s already baked in, but it’s slow. Most of that diane happen until after 2100. That’s why it’s so hard to convince people it’s really happening.
I am sure the billionaires will get through this just fine. As long as they'll be prepared and keep away from the mob of course.
They got the bunkers ready 😅
Im curious if the economy is decarbonizd who will pay back for my destroyed 4o1k? What about all of the lost jobs? Cause and effect not addressed
Green Hydrogen is meant to be an energy storage mechanism, not an actual energy source. It’s for when the sun don’t shine and the wind don’t blow.
Thank you! You have convinced me that Russia is the land of the future: biggest reserves of resources of all kinds, fossile fuels as well as renewable energy for centuries to come and millions of square kilometres of potentially fertile land waiting for climate to get finally warmer.
Educated white race humans are flocking to Russia....just sayin`
Is illegal immigrants being enticed by generous welfare programs exasperating NYC population over-shoot problems?
Immigrants from the south (those are the illegal ones, right?) can only get to NYC with assistance. Some of that assistance is through false promises by the governments of Florida and Texas. That's kidnapping.
At 34 minutes Sustainable population ..world carrying capacity ..1 to 2 billion as world carrying as population capacity OR REDUCE present people number by 1 or 2 Billion ?
2 billion total
In theory you create hydrogen with electricity so you can actually produce electricity now but use the energy much later or in a different geographical location.
too expensive for capitalistic system, still breakdown because of financial breakdown because those energy costs 40x more excluding fees
My only disagreement with Prof. Rees' excellent presentation is with his dependence on the "other" (government, UN, environmental organizations, etc.) when the ONLY possibility to follow his guidelines is on an INDIVIDUAL basis, and the powerful propaganda machine of the fossil fuel lobby will spend its last nickel to resist INDIVIDUAL change.
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Gosh people's, the Holy Bible is true & its happening in our life time , u know y , because, people's have sealed their fate by their iffy walking, y all this ! 💝💒👣👑