I feel kinda bad for Steyr guys. I can see that they have belived in their product and they werent scared to repeat this (pretty brutal actualy) test again. My respects to Steyr anyway.
Yeah i felt like they actually tried that test themselves with good results before sending the aug to inrange. Maybe the got an unlucky mud positioning twice, i dunno.
It would be interesting if on failure like this, you added an “autopsy” of when you cleaned it and what you found inside. Was it one decent sized pebble or just a bunch of grit
I wanted to see what you had to do to get the Tavor running again. Did you have to remove the receiver from the chassis? IWI-US used to charge $65 to clean one to that level(ask me how I know)
Totally agree, an autopsy video would be a great addition, would be interested to see exactly where the mud is getting in and causing issues. Wouldn't take a huge amount to do either, could just be filmed on Karl's workbench
Austrian military veteran here. I feel physical pain watching this. Had to get the mud out of that thing too many times during basic training. And yes, it stopped shooting when it was submerged in mud. Sometimes we took it to the showers afterwards (which was of course not permitted), but cleaning it was just so much easier this way.
But what crappy gun is this ? you live in a big fucking desert and your guns cant handle a little dirt ? better for skippy if australian soldier is hungry. gun doesnt work....
@@bourboncask4089 it actually is quite reliable just because it is easy to take apart and to change certain parts. Also it can take hits etc without bitching around and still be firing.
@@r4m_sf71h_gt9 dafuq ? I was there two years ago. The whole outback was pretty dusty ? You live in Sydney or what ? Dont know your own Country bruh ???
True. The charging handle would probably still be jammed, however, the gun would probably cycle if the case didn't get stuck there from the excess mud covering the port.
@Liberty or Death Let's say he emptied the magazine and the bolt didn't lock back, then the gun becomes an expensive plastic club. And if it does lock back, then they could add more mud to the action until it stop cycling either because the trigger, hammer or the bolt jammed. Or, lets say that after the shake even in the adverse setting it would still fail to eject the case, then we know the limits of the gun.
I like how Karl and Ian have both become the gun world's unbiased but harshest critics, if a firearm company can get the elusive InRange seal of approval, they got it made.
Steyr: *Sees first mud test, sends another and tells them to use a different gas setting.* Everyone else: "That's a bold move, Cotton. Let's see if it pays off."
honestly, it does make Steyr a lot cooler in my eyes. No dirt throwing or anything just "please try it with different valid conditions, here is a free gun". The world would be a better place if everyone reacted like that to a failed test.
I was thinking the same thing, I got some mud on the bolt handle once and it wouldn't run for the rest of the day. Had to use a hose to wash it out just so I could strip it.
@@JohnDoe-tx8eu It's remarkably easy and intuitive to strip. Admittedly I've never had to do so under the pressure of a two-way range, but still. It's a great rifle... until you get it dirty.
Milan Štěpánek Shaking mud off the outside would totally also shake off any mud that got into the operating surfaces inside the gun. Truly 300 IQ logic.
ty shanahan In your endless intelligence you completely failed to understand the point of that snarky comment. The point is shaking the gun would have made absolutely no difference, since it is clear mud has already gotten into the vital operating bits inside the gun. How exactly would shaking the gun help in that case? Shaking only really helps with mud outside the gun. And even then, Karl also tested a repro AR-10 where he literally tried pushing mud that looked more like cement into the ejection port and it still ran like a champ so it’s not like AR pattern rifles had it any easier.
@@dunadan7136 no i know what you were trying to say. Full disclosure i was bored and seeing as you were obliging with the banter i said something back.
@@dunadan7136 The mud covered the ejection port, causing the first malfunction. Without the first malfunction you wouldn't know how many rounds you could get through until you had to use the stuck charging handle.
@@Shitbird3249 not much screeching, sry. as much as i like our Austrian AUG, it's mechanics (guide rod/springs) are too exposed to the outside and too much of a tight fit. if just a small rock or whatever gets in there it blocks the whole system, as you can see in the video.
Let be realistic, when is a gun ever going to be completely submerged in mud on a modern battlefield? This isn't the trenches of the great war. It's a perfectly fine gun for normal conditions.
I feel like the engineers are sitting there just thinking "What marketing manager thought this was a good idea? We didn't design it to function as both a gun and mud shovel"
@@63Hayden "This isn't the trenches of the great war" - unless we've started to call off warfare in case of bad weather, mud isn't exclusive to trenches.
This 45° angled surface of the ejection port and charging handle seems to be the problem. On other guns, some mud just falls of, but here the ejection port is like a big spoon.
@Bill Tabbert Nah, it's less about the chamber and it's more about the op rod channel. That's a long open surface and from memory, damned tight fitting too. So it's not that you're wrong about the dust cover, I think one could help, it's the op rod channel. This is more in line with say, the M1/M14 series in terms of that open and obvious vulnerability.
@@LionofCaliban Yeah, without the fail to eject, the rifle would have likely ran through the mag, but that CH would have still been unusable and caused issues with continuing further after that.
@@marine6680 We might have to agree to disagree on the running through the rest of the mag. I think that opening is a bit of a mud trap. So combined with a partially exposed op rod, this test is pretty much guaranteed to stop the AUG in its currents form. It's the two-fer combo more than a single individual weakness here.
@@muddyhotdog4103 eh, not always. I think they should have escalated the severity of the blockage gradually like they did in their earlier tests. Maybe identify just where this gun reaches its breaking point.
@@GunFunZS Can confirm, after enough rounds that little bastard gets very hot, our gloves protected us for the most part but you had to be quick about it. Also if you get it wrong the gas plug can spring off with some force.
@@TheWolfsnack if you're talking about the huge plastic bag the Army used to issue troops to put the M16 in - then yeah...seems like you've adopted the wrong battle rifle if your supply system has to procure a few million rifle-size plastic bags to have reliable rifle function...
tear it apart down to the last spring and pin, soak in solvent, scrub vigorously, soak again. Blow off parts with compressed air, inspect evry part to see what broke or wore out from trying to make it function in mud?
Could one not simply slap the casing free and see if the bolt closes? I know that doesn't fix the charging handle seizing but it could get the rifle going again.
I see Ian and Karl in the sandpit as little kids, playing with sand and mud, making castles, pies and soupy stuff. Someone asking them:"what ya wanna do when growing up fellas?". Them answering in cute child voices :"thiiiiis". Years later ... nailed it 😁
Reminds me of the M4 rifles used at qualifying ranges. They get used so much without any cleaning or maintenance until the bolt starts to fuse into place. But that's after years of being mistreated with tens to hundreds of thousands or rounds, not one mud test.
@@GigAnonymous nah, Australia called it the EF88. They were going to call it the F90 but due to a contract loophole that would have opened defence up to a new firearms tender so they just renamed it.
I lived with them in the ADF for 5 years (not in combat). There not perfect but a lovely thing to carry around. I’m still a fan. The ADFs new one is sweeet.
Re-watched carefully... the ejection port had a significant amount of mud directly on it. This is what prevented the case from ejecting. The CH getting stuck is what prevented quick clearing of the malfunction. I don't think the internals were gunked up enough to prevent function otherwise. So the failure here was really the stuck CH. Even if the case had ejected fully and the gun ran out the magazine, the stuck CH would have been a big problem at some point.
Thanks for redoing the test anyway. Have an A3. Even without mud, if the charging rod isn't full forward into the charging handle guide, that handle often just refuses to move. It's like it must be at the perfect rearward angle, guided by the rod, to operate. They need to redesign that. Try stripping it down and moving the charging handle in the receiver guide. Unless you fiddle it just right, it is jammed solid. Add a little of this mud and take it out of battery, and yeah. Would be the perfect thing for Corvus Defensio to consider making. They deleted the forward assist from their charging handle, so if the forward assist feature has anything to do with the difficulty of running the guide, delete it in a re-implementation of the charging handle guide too and it may remedy this problem. edit: Actually seems to be the spring clip's resting fit in the 'cup' in the front of the receiver that keeps the charging handle jammed forward. Unfortunately the design is basically like quicksand - the harder you pull, the more out of alignment it is. The forward-most part of the charging handle carrier is conical, and pokes through a hole in the receiver and barrel plate, to force a centered alignment, which when inserting into the barrel plate hole would keep it aligned and give proper mechanical advantage over that retention spring - except when it closes on an ejected case and stays out of battery. With the charging rail removed, I can make for enough play in the handle to make that spring jam the charging handle due to loss of even mechanical advantage and spring to cup misalignment. To see what I mean, pull downward (toward the grip) and it will unlock with difficulty, but torquing biased upward toward the rail, it is jammed. The retention plate screwed into the front of the receiver that touches the lower half of the spring may have something to do with this. If you remove the barrel (and thus the plate the conical portion rams into), the play is still an issue but you can restore function more easily because that cone isn't limiting your range of motion to wiggle the springs loose. There must be a redesign possible that keeps this aligned better, like a better fitting, teflon coated, more constant-diameter guide (that still has, but doesn't rely, on the conical nub) to keep the guide centered continuously instead of only at the end of its travel into battery, a weaker and/or smaller retention spring (deleting the forward assist catch position would make unintentional reciprocation really unlikely anyway), and some way to prevent filth from getting fed in between the front of the charging handle guide and receiver then forced into the retention spring cup, which was already very sensitive to proper alignment to function. Those are all things that change the small part and don't modify the receiver tooling, so it could be an aftermarket upgrade. Push on the conical nub with one finger and feel it release easily, then compare that with the strength required to run the charging handle with your entire hand (careful not to cut yourself on the rail when the spring suddenly lets go). A lot more force, right? Sorry for any improper terminology, I don't have a manual with a breakout diagram in front of me. I'd love to run this by Steyr or Corvus support to see if I'm off-base or this is workable.
Not even a bullpup fanboy but give the rifle a shake before firing. In the ar15 tests you LITERALLY use the finger to remove excessive mud over the action port (mud that was btw way less dense and more liquid). Submerge it in mud, ok, but who the fuck would fire a gun with literal handsized chunks of mud still attacked to the exterior of ejection ports and such ? Ridiculous
They did the same thing to the AUG here, and for the same reason. Ian cleared the mud off the safety lever so he could actually fire the damn thing. He never touched any other parts of the AR, nor really anything else that has been put through the mud, before firing the first round.
Anto Batta They've done 3 or 4 ARs, including the Vietnam era M16. In none of them did he wipe off anything but the safety lever. Point to whichever of the gaggle of them they've done where they did more than clear the safety lever. Just watched the "Mattel Death Trap" one and they do a close up of gunk on the bolt carrier and leave the gunk there as they run the thing with no problems. @@havtor007 Which of the 3 or 4 AR tests is your whining referring to? In which one do they bash the thing on the wheelbarrow? Which one specifically are you whining about because they've done several and never had any malfunctions.
@TheGhost doubt so, a single shot and that much mud would submerge and force its way into the action as the ejection port opens, permanently shutting the rifle off None of the ar15 had THIS MUCH mud still attacked on the gun. LITERALLY semisolid bricks of mud attacked to sensible parts that could be easily shaken away with some jiggling of the weapon. That's not the same test of the ar15 and not a reasonable test either for any weapon
Just because it failed the mud test doesn't make it a bad gun. It just means you have to keep it away from mud. As a civilian, the chances of mud attacking you in your house is rather slim. Military service is another issue.
HobbsTac TV imagine watching the M1-a mud test. I love them, but the old Springfield Armory ad showing the soldier low crawling through mud with it is really bunk.
Steyr, I still love the AUG! Just something to look at for the AUG A4, appreciate the courage and integrity it took to send out another one and not shy away from the truth of it. That gains respect which is greater than negative of this mud test.
The only thing I wonder is, if the bolt was moving when Ian was mortaring it, whether you might have been able to pull back on the partially ejected case, and used that as a kind of erstaz bolt handle.
I was thinking exactly the same thing, I believe the failure to eject was caused by the ejection port being blocked by all that mud not an internal failure, it is barely big enough as is. I wish he'd spent more time trying to get the fired case out, possibly the bolt would've went forward and it could fire again, of course the charging handle would still be inoperable but if it fired the rest of the rounds I'd call that a pass.
Welp. The follow up video answered that one. Given the trouble Ian had even getting it to move when the rifle was partially disassembled, this wouldn't have worked.
Much respect to Steyr, they make outstanding arms, and I applaud them for wanting to give their rifle a second chance on the adverse gas setting. In reality, tests like this do nothing to detract from the allure of Steyr rifles... I'd still buy one if I could afford it... I just wouldn't cover it in mud lol.
Makes me kinda sad, BECAUSE: 1) I appreciate a reaction of the company / importer, they've seen it and risk another problem, they "lost", maybe they'll even overthink things in austria (even I don't think they will, but there's that thing called hope...) AND 2.) even if I for myself am not a rock hard AUG fanboy, though I like the system, I AM a fan of diversity in military service weapons - with caveats ( _cough_ SA80 _cough_ ) of course. But I just like to see distinguishable military service rifles / weapons in different countries, not all the same soup. Who's with me (in the last point)?
Indeed, nice to see the same result as the last time. Stops all the Nay-Sayers from getting onto their high horses and calling foul. More mud tests guys, always fun to watch and see what systems work and which fail.
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Don't worry Steyr- we still love you. I really do respect and admire the manufacturers that respond to this type of test in a positive way and use it as an opportunity to learn more about their products and identify avenues for improvement. Plus, we all know the REAL test was seeing the AUG survive Nakatomi Plaza.
Hey good I’m steyr for being willing to submit a gun to this. Also good on them for reaching out like that. I’m not surprised by the outcome, but I am surprised by steyr’s hopeful attitude.
The G36 also has trouble with wilting barrels. The barrels are too thin diameter, if you put a lot of rounds through one, that barrel gets red hot and wilts over like week old celery. The same problem is my M4's and M16A1E3 have thicker barrels...
jessie pinkman one of the problems with the barrel droop on the M16 family is the barrel profile is “wrong”. The government profile has the thinnest portion rear of the gas block and the thickest portion in front of the gas block by the muzzle. Meaning after extensive fire the barrel does heat up and starts to droop at the muzzle due to the barrel heating up in the thin rear portion and the heavy front adds weight. Not a real problem under 99% of uses though. The G36 has the same issue in addition to some polymer problems but again it’s only an issue under extensive fire in special scenarios where you’re trying to get sub 5moa after 200 rounds being dumped down the gun. Something like that anyway.
I used Steyr (Austeyr) F88 / F88S for 7 years. They cycled just fine on live ammo after some pretty brutal obstacle courses and normal mud contact. Heavy dust affected them but at worst I had a single shot straight pull. 3 Steyrs that died on me were 2 melted buttstocks from sustained automatic fire (became single shot) and 1 improperly hardened bolt sleeve, which rendered the rifle inoperative. Blanks failed to extract and hung up a lot, good training for IA's
You guys need a checklist or something when doing these tests, as you missed the "one shake" While I don't think that would have helped the charging handle situation, it may have cleared the ejection port enough to cycle a few rounds before you needed to try using it. I've never stripped down an AUG myself, so I'm actually perplexed as to whats causing the issue. Isn't it just a transfer bar? What could it possibly be caught up on so badly?
I ran a styer for about 8 years. Its usually some gunk actually jamming the charging handle itself. Little bits of rock and dirt get caught between the guide rod and the body of the weapon blocking and jamming the path of the charging handle. The Charging handle is connected to the bolt carrier by two parallel rods containing springs. Thats why the bolt was cycling but the charging handle jammed when they mortared it. Mud over the ejection port will also stop the round extracting properly.
@@DamnHotWasabi Well, that's what I mean. The transfer bar is a cylinder inside a smooth channel I presume? So what's it getting caught on? You'd think such a thing would slide anyway, particularly if you mortar it. Is it just really tightly fitted so that any grit at all will bind it up?
@@jarvy251 Yeah, a tight fitting op rod would seize up without too much grit getting inside between the parts. I think this is an issue with most side charge rifles. Unless you have a method of preventing gunk from getting into the channel the CH rides in. Sig uses a rubber seal on their 500 series rifles, I have seen a metal spring loaded plate that slides down when you pull the CH on other rifles.
Gotta hand it to Steyr for actually sending a 2nd rifle to be tested knowing it might fail. But you think they may have tried a similar test first to see if it's possible to pass.
Fellow Texan here. I bought a pair of British Desert DPM pattern BDU tops and wore one to a range outing with a few friends. Took up a prone position in the dead winter grass and my friends were like "dude, the top half of you just disappeared into the grass." So now I feel compelled to find a winter parka and the Gortex pants in Desert DPM pattern.
The Steyr Aug i had issued to me in AusArmy couldnt get through an obstacle course, got to the end totally unworkable rifle until i hosed it out and thoroughly cleaned it. Exactly what happened in this video
6:18 did Ian say " Kaputt "😂 ? Its german for (Broken )... in this case Ian should say " Fehlfunktion " ( malfunction) or " Störung " ( disorder ). Greeting from Germany ✌
I spent 3 years in the Irish army, I have seen the buttstock on these break clean in half in cold weather of about - 10° on two different occasions during exercises
Well to be fair the M16 passed one of the 6 mud tests, AUG passed three. Which again what is it with Arizona mud the every weapon InrangeTV test fails but the M16/Ar15 platform? AZ mud must be very patriotic.
I'm sure you've cleared it by now. So was that case in the ejection port jammed in there and stopping the whole carrier group working or were you able to simply pull it out? It seems to me that if you could feel the bolt moving when mortaring it then the case should've fallen out, unless it was jammed in there somehow.
I’ve had AK’s in the past. I’ve never found them to be extremely reliable compared to any other similar rifle types. Where they shine in reliability is when you have a poorly trained, conscript army with poor logistics capability. A lazy conscript can clean the thing once a month or year and put questionable, corroded and dirty ammo that I would be afraid to fire in a bolt action and it will more likely then not manage to fairly reliably fire a few mags.
@@kiloalphasierra I heard a story, from a documentary, a US Captain found an AK his guys pulled from a river and gave it to him. He brushed off the outside and stuck it in a locker, when he got time to shoot it he had to kick open the bolt since it was rusted. But he then put through a whole mag of ammo with no lube, he claimed
jessie pinkman So you can probably completely ignore the story since many of these anecdotes are usually bogus and that veterans like to spread all kinds of myths, like the one about the Garand’s ping.
@@kiloalphasierra There are AKs and then then are AKs. Plenty of dodgy versions kicking around. No firearm is impervious to crap even if its a caseless firing G11.
I really like you guy's mud test videos, but I also can't help myself from thinking "Nooo! Don't do that! Oh, no!" every time I watch you mudding up these beautiful firearms. ^^
at 2:06 you physically push mud into the op rod instead of allowing it to sit and weap in areas like you have any other gun in this test. it's still a disappointing result but as others have mentioned you're not being all that consistent. Keep the great content coming either way! ALSO you say the bolt is cycling, that inherently means the op rod isn't jammed... i checked mine, and with the bolt locked open if i hang off the outside of the chg handle rather than in towards the gun i can get it to sieze up too (which points to an entirely different issue) but i think there are multiple things at play here.
Another one of those "Stoner really knew what he was doing" moments. The AUG charging handle is such that it requires a large opening on the side of the gun. Whereas the only opening for the ar-15 charging handle is a little shielded hole in the back of the upper receiver. The AUG charging handle pushes on the bolt and operating the charging handle works to push more debris into the system. The ar-15 is a pull style where operating works to remove debris away from the inside of the receiver. Also in theory it should be easier to pull the charging handle and the bolt than push it (think pushing a trailer vs towing one).
Hey kudos to Steyr for being willing to stick their neck and a whole gun out for a retest. I don't think this is really what the adverse setting was made for, but hey they still funded the test with a brand new rifle to give us more content to watch during this quarantine and that's pretty fucking awesome in my book
The failure on the original AUG had nothing to do with gas and everything to do with the mechanicals locking up harder than Scrooge McDuck's money bin. Adverse gas was never going to fix this thing's issues with Arizona Hell Grease...but it's still mighty cool of Steyr USA to put their product where their mouth is and let the InRange Guys have an AUG to play with for a little while, especially since somebody over there had to KNOW adverse gas wasn't gonna do a damn thing to its mud performance. Side Note: I know the gun has *long* since been cleaned out and probably already shipped back to Steyr by the time this video aired, but in the future a post-mortem on spectacular/interesting mud test failures would be cool to see, yeah.
Good on Steyr for asking you to give it another try. I think it shows that they're confident in their product, are open to constructive criticism to improve. Granted, your mud tests are extremely brutal and the vast majority of guns fail, especially with the Arizona, sandy concrete-like mud, but they'll definitely do what they can to make the AUG a more reliable rifle in harsh conditions.
you would think everyone would diss on steyr here for this, but it seems like everyone mutually respects them taking a second shot, which is very respectable
What Steyr-USA didn't realize is that's an "adverse" condition gas setting, which isn't quite sufficient for a "horrible gloppy nightmare worst case scenario" condition.
@Stefano Pavone Yeah, I was being facetious. As we've seen with the AR-15 and Luger, the only way to deal with that much mud is to prevent it from getting into the critical components to begin with.
It could be possible to clear the rifle by pushing the takedown latch thru to free the fired case. The AUG doesn’t prevent you from disassembly because the bolt carrier is partially rearward a.
Steyr - a precision firearms manufacturer with a shitload of brilliant engineers. But not one of them thought "You know, maybe we should run our own mud test before we send Ian another AUG?"
kylesenior Reliability when covered in a gallon of mud isn’t the most important thing to have with a service rifle. You get a lot of barrel in a small package with the aug and it’s very accurate from what I can tell from 9-hole’s practical accuracy test.
@@clothar23 a little light mud? They were literally shoveling mud on to that thing. While i agree that the ar 15 is more reliable, the aug is clearly adequate by military standards.
I feel kinda bad for Steyr guys. I can see that they have belived in their product and they werent scared to repeat this (pretty brutal actualy) test again. My respects to Steyr anyway.
Yeah i felt like they actually tried that test themselves with good results before sending the aug to inrange. Maybe the got an unlucky mud positioning twice, i dunno.
Travers Kilroy Cooper Alvirez be careful not to cut yourself on that edge
I think Steyr underestimated Arizona mud.
@@GunFunZS God dam you ripped him a new asshole
I think that mud could stop a self loading cannon. I've never seen mud so thick.
Key to bribing Ian seems to be to offer him something that is lefty-friendly. He will settle for nothing less.
Ned Flanders intensifies
Note that bribes had no effect on the outcome. The AUG is still a cool gun; just don't swim in Arizona swamp mud with it and you're good!
Or french, or both.
The ultimate bribe? A left handed Famas, or a left handed EM2.
Well, who actually wants to get hit in the face with a charging handle or hot brass?
Well, still kudos to Steyr for going for a rerun.
I'll keep my shorty AR thanks.
Yeah they at least believe in their product, even if it doesn't actually live up to Ian and Karl's brutal AZ mud.
I'll stick with my old fashioned M14.
Heavy as hell with a mean recoil but it do hit what I aim at.
I’ll stick with my flintlock, hits even harder and it has curving bullets. CURVING BULLETS.
@@joshwist556 LMFAO
It would be interesting if on failure like this, you added an “autopsy” of when you cleaned it and what you found inside. Was it one decent sized pebble or just a bunch of grit
I wanted to see what you had to do to get the Tavor running again. Did you have to remove the receiver from the chassis? IWI-US used to charge $65 to clean one to that level(ask me how I know)
we never did find out what made the first AUG jam in the first place
@@basketcase1235 Pretty sure it was mud.
InRange Midwest autopsy, AUG REDUX
Totally agree, an autopsy video would be a great addition, would be interested to see exactly where the mud is getting in and causing issues. Wouldn't take a huge amount to do either, could just be filmed on Karl's workbench
This test is NOT fair at all! It's a COMPLETELY different wheelbarrow from the other tests!!!! INRANGE IS BOUGHT
Big Wheelbarrow strikes again.
Shilling for the wheelbarrow lobbies is just disappointing, shame on you InRange
And did you see that new trowel?! Outrageous I say! A scandal even!
I don't think that was Inrange verified water either.. No sticker
lol
Austrian military veteran here. I feel physical pain watching this. Had to get the mud out of that thing too many times during basic training. And yes, it stopped shooting when it was submerged in mud. Sometimes we took it to the showers afterwards (which was of course not permitted), but cleaning it was just so much easier this way.
But what crappy gun is this ? you live in a big fucking desert and your guns cant handle a little dirt ? better for skippy if australian soldier is hungry. gun doesnt work....
@@TheHeavyMetalMan11 In Austria we do nkt have Deserts just letting you know.
@@bourboncask4089 it actually is quite reliable just because it is easy to take apart and to change certain parts. Also it can take hits etc without bitching around and still be firing.
@@r4m_sf71h_gt9 dafuq ? I was there two years ago. The whole outback was pretty dusty ? You live in Sydney or what ? Dont know your own Country bruh ???
to be honest after our first training as gwds we took our full equipment and gear with us in the showers, sometimes its the only way
Different shovel, test invalid.
Yes!Again pls!!
😂😅😂😅😂
the first shovel they used was NOT RUSTY, this one clearly had rust flakes on it - results invalid, do it all over
Steyr: we will send you free stuff!
Karl: I CANNOT BE BOUGHT!
Ian: I wanna lefty!
Steyr: Use the adverse gas setting, it will make it better!
Narrator: It wouldn't.
The Cheat * sad engineer noises *
in my head the narrator voice is the one from the stanley parable...
@@ulysisxtr I can't lie that's what I was imagining also lol
TF?!?! LMFAO! What is that like Eazy-E's "strawberry" as your profile Pic ??
I read it in Morgan Freeman’s voice
you forgot the official first InRange "shake" after the mudding
@Liberty or Death agreed but must follow protocol...lol
True. The charging handle would probably still be jammed, however, the gun would probably cycle if the case didn't get stuck there from the excess mud covering the port.
@@mantovanoGT yeah
@Liberty or Death aug has a last rounf hold open. Just replace mag and drop bolt just like an AR, no need for the charging handle.
@Liberty or Death Let's say he emptied the magazine and the bolt didn't lock back, then the gun becomes an expensive plastic club. And if it does lock back, then they could add more mud to the action until it stop cycling either because the trigger, hammer or the bolt jammed. Or, lets say that after the shake even in the adverse setting it would still fail to eject the case, then we know the limits of the gun.
You forget "one shake", so now you have to do "Mud Test: Steyr AUG REDUX electric bogaloo"
*Mud Test: Steyr AUG 3* _& Knuckles_
One shake, everybody knows the rules.
*DO IT AGAIN!!!!!*
i just want more videos :)
@@joshuab7737 they said that water puts more mud in to it
@Tacit they said that water puts more mud in to it
Kudos to Steyr, we need that disassembly vid!
Gotta appreciate styer putting in the effort for you guys! thanka for bringing us this content.
I like how Karl and Ian have both become the gun world's unbiased but harshest critics, if a firearm company can get the elusive InRange seal of approval, they got it made.
Steyr: lefthanded!
Ian: I TAKE YOUR ENTIRE STOCK
The whole stock of 1 gun
JonTron Memes for the win!
Steyr: *Sees first mud test, sends another and tells them to use a different gas setting.*
Everyone else: "That's a bold move, Cotton. Let's see if it pays off."
they should have imported some mud or bought mud from a landscape company & test the test themselves then send it
@@Eduardo_Espinoza should have insisted on genuine Austrian mud.
spoilers: it doesn't
You can never beat the charging handle system and dust cover of the AR15
honestly, it does make Steyr a lot cooler in my eyes. No dirt throwing or anything just "please try it with different valid conditions, here is a free gun". The world would be a better place if everyone reacted like that to a failed test.
At least the guys from Steyr know how to please our Lord and saviour with a lefty AUG.
In my experience using an F88 austeyr... this is completely accurate.
You wont get that bastard open until you strip it.
But it is easy to strip :)
I was thinking the same thing, I got some mud on the bolt handle once and it wouldn't run for the rest of the day. Had to use a hose to wash it out just so I could strip it.
@@JohnDoe-tx8eu It's remarkably easy and intuitive to strip. Admittedly I've never had to do so under the pressure of a two-way range, but still. It's a great rifle... until you get it dirty.
@@william207able So in the field soldier under fire should just use hose to wash it out? Sounds legit to me... :D
@@danielaramburo7648 Army. Only ever on the range during training though. Never deployed... which is probably why I like the rifle tbh...
I think its just me that wants this, but I'd love to see the remediation post mud test.
Not just you.
One note regarding consitency: IIRC they shake off the mud before shooting for some guns but for some dont.
Milan Štěpánek
Shaking mud off the outside would totally also shake off any mud that got into the operating surfaces inside the gun. Truly 300 IQ logic.
@@dunadan7136 then why shake at all please enlighten me our great messiah of such divine intellect
ty shanahan
In your endless intelligence you completely failed to understand the point of that snarky comment.
The point is shaking the gun would have made absolutely no difference, since it is clear mud has already gotten into the vital operating bits inside the gun. How exactly would shaking the gun help in that case? Shaking only really helps with mud outside the gun.
And even then, Karl also tested a repro AR-10 where he literally tried pushing mud that looked more like cement into the ejection port and it still ran like a champ so it’s not like AR pattern rifles had it any easier.
@@dunadan7136 no i know what you were trying to say. Full disclosure i was bored and seeing as you were obliging with the banter i said something back.
@@dunadan7136 The mud covered the ejection port, causing the first malfunction. Without the first malfunction you wouldn't know how many rounds you could get through until you had to use the stuck charging handle.
You guys are just shilling for AZ mud
“Use the whole bucket as one last ditch effort”
* no change *
* sad Steyr noises *
galindo stephen more like furious austrian screeching
@@Shitbird3249 not much screeching, sry. as much as i like our Austrian AUG, it's mechanics (guide rod/springs) are too exposed to the outside and too much of a tight fit. if just a small rock or whatever gets in there it blocks the whole system, as you can see in the video.
Oh boy, Steyr's engineers gonna cry their hearts out with this
Most likely Steyr US's sales manager. Engineers would just shrug and say Austria is fine with it since 1977.
Let be realistic, when is a gun ever going to be completely submerged in mud on a modern battlefield? This isn't the trenches of the great war. It's a perfectly fine gun for normal conditions.
@@63Hayden you never know.
I feel like the engineers are sitting there just thinking "What marketing manager thought this was a good idea? We didn't design it to function as both a gun and mud shovel"
@@63Hayden "This isn't the trenches of the great war" - unless we've started to call off warfare in case of bad weather, mud isn't exclusive to trenches.
This 45° angled surface of the ejection port and charging handle seems to be the problem. On other guns, some mud just falls of, but here the ejection port is like a big spoon.
It's how we ate our Joghurt as Conscripts in the Austrian Army.
@Bill Tabbert Nah, it's less about the chamber and it's more about the op rod channel.
That's a long open surface and from memory, damned tight fitting too. So it's not that you're wrong about the dust cover, I think one could help, it's the op rod channel.
This is more in line with say, the M1/M14 series in terms of that open and obvious vulnerability.
I beleave in real life people would not try to run the gun without any atempts to clean it unless they are about to get some.
@@LionofCaliban Yeah, without the fail to eject, the rifle would have likely ran through the mag, but that CH would have still been unusable and caused issues with continuing further after that.
@@marine6680 We might have to agree to disagree on the running through the rest of the mag. I think that opening is a bit of a mud trap.
So combined with a partially exposed op rod, this test is pretty much guaranteed to stop the AUG in its currents form.
It's the two-fer combo more than a single individual weakness here.
I thought you guys always did a shake for excess mud removal before you fired the test
Yea he also kept it in the ejection port, which is likely what caused the system to malfunction independently from the charging handle
Came here to say this. Give it the one shake!
@@th3br0wncray0n2 They always keep it in the ejection port, but a shake could've flung a little off to help.
@@muddyhotdog4103 eh, not always. I think they should have escalated the severity of the blockage gradually like they did in their earlier tests. Maybe identify just where this gun reaches its breaking point.
It didn’t help the first time 🤷🏻♂️
Karl is just like, “Mortar it, Mortar it? Have you tried mortaring it?”
He wanted to mortar it as soon as he hit record
I want them to hit the charging handle on the side of the table like opening a beer bottle
@@Eduardo_Espinoza it'd break
@@JohnDoe-ee6qs after looking back at it I think you are right, but is there anything underneath it?
Oh we got consistency, alright. The consistency of disgusting, goopy mud.
💩
"Do it again, proper this time."
"No, we have integrity!"
"It's left han-"
"Sold!"
steyr says you did it wrong... steyr sends new rifle... new rifle makes it one round...
Steyr forgot to include the giant freezer baggie....
@@GunFunZS Can confirm, after enough rounds that little bastard gets very hot, our gloves protected us for the most part but you had to be quick about it. Also if you get it wrong the gas plug can spring off with some force.
@@TheWolfsnack if you're talking about the huge plastic bag the Army used to issue troops to put the M16 in - then yeah...seems like you've adopted the wrong battle rifle if your supply system has to procure a few million rifle-size plastic bags to have reliable rifle function...
Can y'all post vids of the cleaning process afterwards? I'd be very curious to see what it looks like from the inside
It looks that your wepond jamed so you died that day in the field and was not able to clean it... :P
tear it apart down to the last spring and pin, soak in solvent, scrub vigorously, soak again. Blow off parts with compressed air, inspect evry part to see what broke or wore out from trying to make it function in mud?
Could one not simply slap the casing free and see if the bolt closes? I know that doesn't fix the charging handle seizing but it could get the rifle going again.
That’s what I was thinking. Remove the source of the stoppage...
What then? New round still wouldn't have chambered
@@jackrush8752 new round was already on bolt face
it would probably get that empty out, but then you have no way to chamber another.
@@ggrandcz I misspoke I don't think it would go into battery
"I will not do another mud test for the Aug."
"Have you seen our left-handed models?"
"ok, you got me."
“Try to mortar it”
You already know the first thought was “My new free left-y aug?”
I'm glad I am not the only one to see Ian's reluctance to mortar his fancy new Aug...
I was reluctant to see that shiny new lefty Aug get piled drived, but science marches onwards.
"Hey, can you redo the test?"
"I dunnooo..."
"We'll give you a free leftie gun."
"Why didn't you lead with that? Sure, we'll redo the test!"
I see Ian and Karl in the sandpit as little kids, playing with sand and mud, making castles, pies and soupy stuff.
Someone asking them:"what ya wanna do when growing up fellas?".
Them answering in cute child voices :"thiiiiis".
Years later ... nailed it 😁
Reminds me of the M4 rifles used at qualifying ranges. They get used so much without any cleaning or maintenance until the bolt starts to fuse into place.
But that's after years of being mistreated with tens to hundreds of thousands or rounds, not one mud test.
Would love to see this done with an F90 Austeyr... Not because i think it should perform better but just as an excuse to see you guys mess with one.
Or at least he'd have better luck in a set of Auscams
EF88* the F90 isnt a thing
It absolutely exists: Thalès F90, used in the Australian army.
Too bad we'll never see those in the US now. I guess they could get one of the dealer samples.
@@GigAnonymous nah, Australia called it the EF88. They were going to call it the F90 but due to a contract loophole that would have opened defence up to a new firearms tender so they just renamed it.
Thats pretty crazy that Steyr themselves react to your videos. I cant wait for the Steyr Aug A4 Inrange Anti Mud variant
Gorgeous mud, stunning quality!
I lived with them in the ADF for 5 years (not in combat). There not perfect but a lovely thing to carry around. I’m still a fan. The ADFs new one is sweeet.
Re-watched carefully... the ejection port had a significant amount of mud directly on it. This is what prevented the case from ejecting. The CH getting stuck is what prevented quick clearing of the malfunction. I don't think the internals were gunked up enough to prevent function otherwise. So the failure here was really the stuck CH. Even if the case had ejected fully and the gun ran out the magazine, the stuck CH would have been a big problem at some point.
I appreciate Steyr's faith in their product and their confidence in it too.
Just as I thought!
Its a Yard King!
That is a quality barrow.
Thanks for redoing the test anyway. Have an A3. Even without mud, if the charging rod isn't full forward into the charging handle guide, that handle often just refuses to move. It's like it must be at the perfect rearward angle, guided by the rod, to operate. They need to redesign that. Try stripping it down and moving the charging handle in the receiver guide. Unless you fiddle it just right, it is jammed solid. Add a little of this mud and take it out of battery, and yeah.
Would be the perfect thing for Corvus Defensio to consider making. They deleted the forward assist from their charging handle, so if the forward assist feature has anything to do with the difficulty of running the guide, delete it in a re-implementation of the charging handle guide too and it may remedy this problem.
edit: Actually seems to be the spring clip's resting fit in the 'cup' in the front of the receiver that keeps the charging handle jammed forward. Unfortunately the design is basically like quicksand - the harder you pull, the more out of alignment it is.
The forward-most part of the charging handle carrier is conical, and pokes through a hole in the receiver and barrel plate, to force a centered alignment, which when inserting into the barrel plate hole would keep it aligned and give proper mechanical advantage over that retention spring - except when it closes on an ejected case and stays out of battery.
With the charging rail removed, I can make for enough play in the handle to make that spring jam the charging handle due to loss of even mechanical advantage and spring to cup misalignment. To see what I mean, pull downward (toward the grip) and it will unlock with difficulty, but torquing biased upward toward the rail, it is jammed. The retention plate screwed into the front of the receiver that touches the lower half of the spring may have something to do with this. If you remove the barrel (and thus the plate the conical portion rams into), the play is still an issue but you can restore function more easily because that cone isn't limiting your range of motion to wiggle the springs loose.
There must be a redesign possible that keeps this aligned better, like a better fitting, teflon coated, more constant-diameter guide (that still has, but doesn't rely, on the conical nub) to keep the guide centered continuously instead of only at the end of its travel into battery, a weaker and/or smaller retention spring (deleting the forward assist catch position would make unintentional reciprocation really unlikely anyway), and some way to prevent filth from getting fed in between the front of the charging handle guide and receiver then forced into the retention spring cup, which was already very sensitive to proper alignment to function. Those are all things that change the small part and don't modify the receiver tooling, so it could be an aftermarket upgrade.
Push on the conical nub with one finger and feel it release easily, then compare that with the strength required to run the charging handle with your entire hand (careful not to cut yourself on the rail when the spring suddenly lets go). A lot more force, right?
Sorry for any improper terminology, I don't have a manual with a breakout diagram in front of me. I'd love to run this by Steyr or Corvus support to see if I'm off-base or this is workable.
Not even a bullpup fanboy but give the rifle a shake before firing.
In the ar15 tests you LITERALLY use the finger to remove excessive mud over the action port (mud that was btw way less dense and more liquid). Submerge it in mud, ok, but who the fuck would fire a gun with literal handsized chunks of mud still attacked to the exterior of ejection ports and such ? Ridiculous
not to mention they push dirt into the op rod by scraping the shovel over the mud after applying it
They did the same thing to the AUG here, and for the same reason. Ian cleared the mud off the safety lever so he could actually fire the damn thing. He never touched any other parts of the AR, nor really anything else that has been put through the mud, before firing the first round.
@@demomanchaos no, he removed mud from the action port in the ar15 video
Anto Batta They've done 3 or 4 ARs, including the Vietnam era M16. In none of them did he wipe off anything but the safety lever. Point to whichever of the gaggle of them they've done where they did more than clear the safety lever. Just watched the "Mattel Death Trap" one and they do a close up of gunk on the bolt carrier and leave the gunk there as they run the thing with no problems.
@@havtor007 Which of the 3 or 4 AR tests is your whining referring to? In which one do they bash the thing on the wheelbarrow? Which one specifically are you whining about because they've done several and never had any malfunctions.
@TheGhost doubt so, a single shot and that much mud would submerge and force its way into the action as the ejection port opens, permanently shutting the rifle off
None of the ar15 had THIS MUCH mud still attacked on the gun. LITERALLY semisolid bricks of mud attacked to sensible parts that could be easily shaken away with some jiggling of the weapon. That's not the same test of the ar15 and not a reasonable test either for any weapon
1:25 Ian instinctively reaches for righty controls, realizes in a second that "oh yeah this is the lefty AUG" and adjusts immediately
The steyr's rod is sitting like a ledge on a mountain. Just waiting to compound all the mud that falls on it.
Oof that sound of grit getting mashed into the workybits, I bet that scores up sliding surfaces like a champion.
Well this makes me sad, I love the AUG.
Just because it failed the mud test doesn't make it a bad gun. It just means you have to keep it away from mud. As a civilian, the chances of mud attacking you in your house is rather slim. Military service is another issue.
HobbsTac TV imagine watching the M1-a mud test. I love them, but the old Springfield Armory ad showing the soldier low crawling through mud with it is really bunk.
Well, if you don't drop it into a pool of Arizona Mud™ you should be fine. :D
Try Arkansas clay, that thing won’t run ever again
Steyr, I still love the AUG! Just something to look at for the AUG A4, appreciate the courage and integrity it took to send out another one and not shy away from the truth of it. That gains respect which is greater than negative of this mud test.
The only thing I wonder is, if the bolt was moving when Ian was mortaring it, whether you might have been able to pull back on the partially ejected case, and used that as a kind of erstaz bolt handle.
I was thinking exactly the same thing, I believe the failure to eject was caused by the ejection port being blocked by all that mud not an internal failure, it is barely big enough as is. I wish he'd spent more time trying to get the fired case out, possibly the bolt would've went forward and it could fire again, of course the charging handle would still be inoperable but if it fired the rest of the rounds I'd call that a pass.
@@CCW1911 In addition to that there's always the possibility that firing the gun might free up the charging handle.
Welp. The follow up video answered that one. Given the trouble Ian had even getting it to move when the rifle was partially disassembled, this wouldn't have worked.
Much respect to Steyr, they make outstanding arms, and I applaud them for wanting to give their rifle a second chance on the adverse gas setting. In reality, tests like this do nothing to detract from the allure of Steyr rifles... I'd still buy one if I could afford it... I just wouldn't cover it in mud lol.
Makes me kinda sad, BECAUSE: 1) I appreciate a reaction of the company / importer, they've seen it and risk another problem, they "lost", maybe they'll even overthink things in austria (even I don't think they will, but there's that thing called hope...) AND 2.) even if I for myself am not a rock hard AUG fanboy, though I like the system, I AM a fan of diversity in military service weapons - with caveats ( _cough_ SA80 _cough_ ) of course. But I just like to see distinguishable military service rifles / weapons in different countries, not all the same soup. Who's with me (in the last point)?
Big props to Steyr for stepping up and trying again.
Indeed, nice to see the same result as the last time. Stops all the Nay-Sayers from getting onto their high horses and calling foul. More mud tests guys, always fun to watch and see what systems work and which fail.
I FINALLY became a Paetron supporter!($5 a month)I feel immediately better knowing I'm no longer robbing you guys blind! Thanks for all the quality content :)
Pretty neat they sent a gun to try again. Hopefully both videos with help them try to fix any issues down the road
Don't worry Steyr- we still love you. I really do respect and admire the manufacturers that respond to this type of test in a positive way and use it as an opportunity to learn more about their products and identify avenues for improvement. Plus, we all know the REAL test was seeing the AUG survive Nakatomi Plaza.
YES!. Finally the Aug will get its due..
NO.......
What a great test. I don't know of any gun that will cycle like that. It's really cool to see this practical test. WoW.
Steyr: NOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST NOT USE THE ADVERSE GAS SETTING!
Ian: haha mud go glooooop
Hey good I’m steyr for being willing to submit a gun to this. Also good on them for reaching out like that. I’m not surprised by the outcome, but I am surprised by steyr’s hopeful attitude.
I would love to see a G36 mud test. I think it would be pretty interesting, simply because how exposed the bolt/charging handle is.
The G36 also has trouble with wilting barrels. The barrels are too thin diameter, if you put a lot of rounds through one, that barrel gets red hot and wilts over like week old celery. The same problem is my M4's and M16A1E3 have thicker barrels...
jessie pinkman one of the problems with the barrel droop on the M16 family is the barrel profile is “wrong”. The government profile has the thinnest portion rear of the gas block and the thickest portion in front of the gas block by the muzzle. Meaning after extensive fire the barrel does heat up and starts to droop at the muzzle due to the barrel heating up in the thin rear portion and the heavy front adds weight. Not a real problem under 99% of uses though. The G36 has the same issue in addition to some polymer problems but again it’s only an issue under extensive fire in special scenarios where you’re trying to get sub 5moa after 200 rounds being dumped down the gun. Something like that anyway.
I used Steyr (Austeyr) F88 / F88S for 7 years. They cycled just fine on live ammo after some pretty brutal obstacle courses and normal mud contact. Heavy dust affected them but at worst I had a single shot straight pull. 3 Steyrs that died on me were 2 melted buttstocks from sustained automatic fire (became single shot) and 1 improperly hardened bolt sleeve, which rendered the rifle inoperative. Blanks failed to extract and hung up a lot, good training for IA's
You guys need a checklist or something when doing these tests, as you missed the "one shake"
While I don't think that would have helped the charging handle situation, it may have cleared the ejection port enough to cycle a few rounds before you needed to try using it. I've never stripped down an AUG myself, so I'm actually perplexed as to whats causing the issue. Isn't it just a transfer bar? What could it possibly be caught up on so badly?
I ran a styer for about 8 years. Its usually some gunk actually jamming the charging handle itself. Little bits of rock and dirt get caught between the guide rod and the body of the weapon blocking and jamming the path of the charging handle. The Charging handle is connected to the bolt carrier by two parallel rods containing springs. Thats why the bolt was cycling but the charging handle jammed when they mortared it. Mud over the ejection port will also stop the round extracting properly.
@@DamnHotWasabi Well, that's what I mean. The transfer bar is a cylinder inside a smooth channel I presume? So what's it getting caught on? You'd think such a thing would slide anyway, particularly if you mortar it. Is it just really tightly fitted so that any grit at all will bind it up?
@@jarvy251 Yeah, a tight fitting op rod would seize up without too much grit getting inside between the parts.
I think this is an issue with most side charge rifles. Unless you have a method of preventing gunk from getting into the channel the CH rides in. Sig uses a rubber seal on their 500 series rifles, I have seen a metal spring loaded plate that slides down when you pull the CH on other rifles.
Brand new, shiny, *lefty* Steyr Aug and you defiled it for science. You madmen.
Gotta hand it to Steyr for actually sending a 2nd rifle to be tested knowing it might fail. But you think they may have tried a similar test first to see if it's possible to pass.
As an ex-pat Brit, now in Texas, I appreciate you wearing something British. God save the Queen (and all that rot).
Fellow Texan here. I bought a pair of British Desert DPM pattern BDU tops and wore one to a range outing with a few friends. Took up a prone position in the dead winter grass and my friends were like "dude, the top half of you just disappeared into the grass."
So now I feel compelled to find a winter parka and the Gortex pants in Desert DPM pattern.
"Please excuse any gunfire you hear in the background"
The Steyr Aug i had issued to me in AusArmy couldnt get through an obstacle course, got to the end totally unworkable rifle until i hosed it out and thoroughly cleaned it. Exactly what happened in this video
6:18 did Ian say " Kaputt "😂 ? Its german for (Broken )... in this case Ian should say " Fehlfunktion " (
malfunction) or " Störung " ( disorder ). Greeting from Germany ✌
It's just a facetious american english term for when something isn't working any more
Full respect to steyr for believing in their product to put skin in the game on round two. Still, confidence only gets you so far
I spent 3 years in the Irish army, I have seen the buttstock on these break clean in half in cold weather of about - 10° on two different occasions during exercises
Grumpy Cat Celsius or Fahrenheit?
@@ryanzucker8345 They use the metric system, what do you think?
Kind of a reoccurring theme with polymer parts.
@@melc311 lol I think just about any rifle stock would be liable to breaking at -10 Kelvin
@@jessb91106 oof my condolences. Try applying some spongebob duct tape, that stuff is the strongest tape known to man
The same thing happened in the Australian tests with their mud test. But this being said the m16A2 and the l1a1 failed as well.
Well to be fair the M16 passed one of the 6 mud tests, AUG passed three. Which again what is it with Arizona mud the every weapon InrangeTV test fails but the M16/Ar15 platform? AZ mud must be very patriotic.
That's not true, the AUG performed exceptionally well while the M16 failed. it's why the Australians adopted it.
I'm sure you've cleared it by now.
So was that case in the ejection port jammed in there and stopping the whole carrier group working or were you able to simply pull it out?
It seems to me that if you could feel the bolt moving when mortaring it then the case should've fallen out, unless it was jammed in there somehow.
The return of the glorious wheelbarrow! Always nice to see people who appreciate the classics ... :)
This is a friendly reminder that the AKs didn't fare too well either.
I’ve had AK’s in the past. I’ve never found them to be extremely reliable compared to any other similar rifle types. Where they shine in reliability is when you have a poorly trained, conscript army with poor logistics capability. A lazy conscript can clean the thing once a month or year and put questionable, corroded and dirty ammo that I would be afraid to fire in a bolt action and it will more likely then not manage to fairly reliably fire a few mags.
@@kiloalphasierra I heard a story, from a documentary, a US Captain found an AK his guys pulled from a river and gave it to him. He brushed off the outside and stuck it in a locker, when he got time to shoot it he had to kick open the bolt since it was rusted. But he then put through a whole mag of ammo with no lube, he claimed
jessie pinkman
So you can probably completely ignore the story since many of these anecdotes are usually bogus and that veterans like to spread all kinds of myths, like the one about the Garand’s ping.
@@kiloalphasierra There are AKs and then then are AKs. Plenty of dodgy versions kicking around. No firearm is impervious to crap even if its a caseless firing G11.
I really like you guy's mud test videos, but I also can't help myself from thinking "Nooo! Don't do that! Oh, no!" every time I watch you mudding up these beautiful firearms. ^^
at 2:06 you physically push mud into the op rod instead of allowing it to sit and weap in areas like you have any other gun in this test. it's still a disappointing result but as others have mentioned you're not being all that consistent. Keep the great content coming either way! ALSO you say the bolt is cycling, that inherently means the op rod isn't jammed... i checked mine, and with the bolt locked open if i hang off the outside of the chg handle rather than in towards the gun i can get it to sieze up too (which points to an entirely different issue) but i think there are multiple things at play here.
Another one of those "Stoner really knew what he was doing" moments.
The AUG charging handle is such that it requires a large opening on the side of the gun. Whereas the only opening for the ar-15 charging handle is a little shielded hole in the back of the upper receiver. The AUG charging handle pushes on the bolt and operating the charging handle works to push more debris into the system. The ar-15 is a pull style where operating works to remove debris away from the inside of the receiver. Also in theory it should be easier to pull the charging handle and the bolt than push it (think pushing a trailer vs towing one).
Ian is so easy to bribe... :D
Hey kudos to Steyr for being willing to stick their neck and a whole gun out for a retest. I don't think this is really what the adverse setting was made for, but hey they still funded the test with a brand new rifle to give us more content to watch during this quarantine and that's pretty fucking awesome in my book
I'm still dying to see an FS2000 mud test, with the gun that was explicitly designed to seal itself from the elements.
I too want to see the FS2000 abused. That gun is disgusting.
You guys should do a video of you cleaning the guns and showing all the rocks you guys find in them afterward.
The failure on the original AUG had nothing to do with gas and everything to do with the mechanicals locking up harder than Scrooge McDuck's money bin. Adverse gas was never going to fix this thing's issues with Arizona Hell Grease...but it's still mighty cool of Steyr USA to put their product where their mouth is and let the InRange Guys have an AUG to play with for a little while, especially since somebody over there had to KNOW adverse gas wasn't gonna do a damn thing to its mud performance. Side Note: I know the gun has *long* since been cleaned out and probably already shipped back to Steyr by the time this video aired, but in the future a post-mortem on spectacular/interesting mud test failures would be cool to see, yeah.
Good on Steyr for asking you to give it another try. I think it shows that they're confident in their product, are open to constructive criticism to improve. Granted, your mud tests are extremely brutal and the vast majority of guns fail, especially with the Arizona, sandy concrete-like mud, but they'll definitely do what they can to make the AUG a more reliable rifle in harsh conditions.
"People who end up as 'first' don't actually set out to be first. They set out to do something they love" - Condolezza Rice
you would think everyone would diss on steyr here for this, but it seems like everyone mutually respects them taking a second shot, which is very respectable
What Steyr-USA didn't realize is that's an "adverse" condition gas setting, which isn't quite sufficient for a "horrible gloppy nightmare worst case scenario" condition.
@Stefano Pavone Yeah, I was being facetious. As we've seen with the AR-15 and Luger, the only way to deal with that much mud is to prevent it from getting into the critical components to begin with.
I have never shot a gun in my life (open for invitations) and i freaking love these mud tests :P
Do FS2000 mud test please.
I'm 95% conviced it'll pass the test.
JiTiAr35 it might lock the charging handle up as well, or end up breaking the charging handle trying to load the next mag.
Hey even though it failed you gotta give steyr props for not being afraid to try it.
Different Wheelbarrow and Shovel.
I N V A L I D A T E D T E S T
It could be possible to clear the rifle by pushing the takedown latch thru to free the fired case. The AUG doesn’t prevent you from disassembly because the bolt carrier is partially rearward a.
G36 Next!!!!!!
Gotta say, props to Steyr for giving it another go
Steyr: Try the adverse gas setting.
Ian: Pours mud on charging handle.
Steyr: Wait that's illegal.
Steyr - a precision firearms manufacturer with a shitload of brilliant engineers. But not one of them thought "You know, maybe we should run our own mud test before we send Ian another AUG?"
as an austrian i have to say i love the aug/stg77. i'd take it over any rifle currently fielded... i'd love to hear your opinions about it in general.
fuxl100 I read that as australian at first but I guess it doesn’t change much.
AR15 types pass this testing with flying colours (and are the only rifles to do so!) and you still want this?
kylesenior Reliability when covered in a gallon of mud isn’t the most important thing to have with a service rifle. You get a lot of barrel in a small package with the aug and it’s very accurate from what I can tell from 9-hole’s practical accuracy test.
@@clothar23 a little light mud? They were literally shoveling mud on to that thing. While i agree that the ar 15 is more reliable, the aug is clearly adequate by military standards.
@@Jordan-nc3zy Ah yes, 6 inches shorter and showing how much you hate lefties, way more important than reliability!
I'm a simple man. I see a new mud test video and I watch and click the like button.