The Most Satisfying Mass Rout
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
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Finally, my shame erased! Thanks a billion times! I had tried this fight half a dozen times and it was driving me mad
Skill issue
@@amhumanperson3592 I think he acknowledges that fact by saying "I had tried this fight half a dozen times". So there is no reason to be rude
@@bilbobaggins8794 sorry my bad
@@amhumanperson3592 absolutely
Is this the campaign you're playing in your YT vids? the WRE?
Lately this channel has turned into a living love letter to Total War's legacy and its beautiful to watch.
Yes, completely agree. As someone who's played, like most, from shogun 1, this channel demonstrates the depth and tactics in total war excellently!
Well need to go further back. Rome Total War 2 was an abomination
@@heathclark318yeah, but Attila wasn’t
@@charlesmiv3842To me it was. In order to replicate the combat of this era you need collision mechanics and no game needs blobbing. There is zero unit order. Which is fine for the Gauls or German tribes but for Romans and others battle order was the key to their tactical successes.
@@Luis-sd6ku9l
It's really sad when you realize that Attila is the last game in the series that allows for legit mass routs. Anyone who played a WRE campaign knows that the one unit of Scout Equites and that one unit of Sagitarii you get in the garrison are the real MVPs of the entire campaign, you snipe the general and you can rout an entire 20 unit stack with a combination of fire and whistle shot and charging in with a Scout Equites afterwards.
Then warhammer turned it from “kill the general to route the army” to “kill the army to rout the general”, which is a little bs given that from what I’ve heard, in the tabletop the gen was pretty damn important for morale, and also not as much of a tank.
@@Misclicking_orc Problem an unintended consequence of having small single entities in the game. You can't really engage them with missile units effectively, unless you use several units at once, and you can't really engage then with infantry as the sse (small single entities) can just use their superior mass to walk through foot soldiers.
They should honestly do away with those types of units an reintroduce bodyguards in Warhammer. Lore wise many lords have unique units as bodyguards or a giant monster as a mount.
I was going to make a comment like this. Basically the only time a mass rout happens in Warhammer is when you're stacking morale penalties through spells or abilities. You're far more likely to army loss them than actually cause a mass rout.
@@LucasEduardo-jm7nddoes anyone know of any mods that help with that? I recall a bodyguard mod in warhammer 1 and 2 that gave generals like 1K health, which made them more fragile but a 80 man bodyguard
@@Misclicking_orc warhammer fantasy is a different beast from other TW series... Single entity heroes got "ward saves" from their respective gods lol. Very lore friendly
Honestly a mass rout like this really demonstrates the full understanding of TW's most important mechanic: morale. That you can win battles without cutting down a significant percentage of the enemy force is one of the best things about these games. Especially as demonstrated here by using just smart, intelligent tactics to break the will of the enemy to fight.
Some people call it a noob box. I call it an Infantry Square. If it was good enough to beat Napoleon in real life, it's good enough to beat the AI in Total War.
How you do that in Empire total war? Tercio System? With Pikemen and Gunners?
@@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014 Bayonets and well, square formations and then have the squares support each other.
Just be mindful of enemy artillery, they smash squares.
@@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014 The units have that formation either by default or you research it, don't remember which one. Either way it's a one unit formation you command them into. Same in Napoleon:TW I think. Just be careful to plsace units far enough from each other to avoid friendly fire!
Yeah and Napoleon used it in Egypt all the time
@@GafferPerkele I know, but even at the enemy infantry, if fighting especially westerners, you put yourself at great risk because they can just focus 3-4 units on one of your units and decimate it
The Battle, The Atmosphere, The Music, The Ground-Pounding Step that Troops made, The Trumphet March Sound. Attila is easily 11/10 if not for poor optimizations !
And the strategic map idiotic design which punishes the player if they are doing too well with massive penalties to public order, and unit balance, and massive AI cheats. If the game weren't so horribly poorly designed and annoying to play, it would be amazing. Wait!
@@darthioan Campaign wise, i gotta agree with you, especially on VH/Legendary. But it's not like it's the end of it though, AI still makes pretty dumb decisions more often that you can take advantage of 'em.
@@darthioan sound like a super skill issue.
@@MedievalWarfare I can't understand this. Attila always looked like a Rome 2 knockoff to me. It even has the god damn health bars. (Health bars have no place in total war).
I would just mod and correct some annoying features, like diplomatic penalties for bigger empires or small number of governors, even though by logic every province would get one. Steam workshop had some decent selection. Ancient Empires is also fun mod to rewind the clock back into time of 3rd century BC. So I don't even need Rome 2, Attila does everything better anyway.
I love how people have hate on strategies they consider cheap, there are historical battles that use block formations like this, not as tight as legend is using but nontheless its a used and affective formation. and fight on terrain that denies your enemy numbers is basic strategy, if anything its bad that CA does not include more bottlnecks in their battles. and before anyone says "if every battlefield has a bottleneck everyone will just fight in bottlnecks" that would be historically acurate, the only factions that did not want to fight in a bottleneck were factions that outnumbered their enemy
Yeah agreed lol. Most historical fights didn't just happen at random, they were battlefields usually chosen by one side, in a manner to ensure they had as many advantages as they could over the enemy.
his tactics used in this game would be scary as af, your enemy making a noob box and suddenly some crossbowmen suddenly just start firing in the woods, if this is a real battle the enemy would retreat assuming that there's an enemy inside the forest.
People don'twant to fight historical battles. THey want a fight to be flashy and over within 5 minutes. None of that "grind" in sieges to get through enemy units. They basically want the AI to be "smart" but at the sime time prefer the AI to just give up.
@@esense9602 well i don't think its that accurate that you could hide a whole ass army in a mini Forrest like that. I'm sure you would see footprints and wheel marks and damaged Forrest that would give it away. Birds flying away in fear is another dead give away.
@@internethardcase because that was on bird's eye view, think the perspective of the infantry getting shot in the back with cavalry going out in that patch of trees. They would also be terrified in that midst of slug match.
I feel really thankful for the fact that Legend still covering Attila content (just in a different form), even though he has made very clear that he doesnt enjoy the game at all. i remember that in one of the recent stream, Legend said that he would incline to yes than no in term of Attila, yet in the mean time we mostly saw FOTS, so this change every once in a while is really welcoming. Thank you for that Legend!
Wow, that almost looks like a historical battle. Perhaps not in terms of noob box formation or morale impact of whistling and fire arrows, but in terms of rout starting when the fighting forces of both sides are still largely intact (low tens of percents of casualties sustained).
The medieval 2 total war mod Europa Barbarorum really managed to capture that somehow, most battles seem to be very minimal casualties until the rout
a mass route! something not seen in the series since atilla, 10 years ago...
Have u guys just never played 3K total war
@@desserted54463K setting just doesn’t interest me in the slightest
@@desserted5446 battles in 3k are some of the worst in the series. straight out of a mobile game, dogshit.
@@davidcirovic8620not as bad as Troy though
@@mickethegoblin7167 troy aint even a total war game at this point lol. camapign map is rather cool, battles are straight out of a mobile game.
I'm anti cheese but honestly there's nothing cheesy with the noob block. You aren't using technical limitations against AI as in corner camping, or shortsighted programming like in single entity artillery/ranged ammo depletion in WH, or artillery deployment exploit in FotS. Nothing but good tactics here!
Btw I've downloaded the game after Legend's praise of Attila battles, let's see if I can mod the grind off of the campaign.
@FatherNagic whoa, take it down a notch lol.
The thing about Attila mods is that you really don't need that many to make the base game bearable, like I think you do with Rome 2. Mostly, the mods for Attila are about adding the particulars you happen to like or dislike rather than fixing it into a logical state.
-You didnt fight honorably!
+ *Points at dead man* He did
Very more satisfying in any Total War game than a successful mass rout. Just seeing huge numbers of enemies running for their lives while your army chases after them is so fun to watch, and the sense of pride over your victory is amazing.
Love that you took the mid-map box options, rather than corner camping. Props.
That mass route was a thing of beauty. One thing I love about Attila is the possibility of these things, it feels very much like late ancient warfare as we read about it in the history books.
How does he move the units at around 3:50 like that?
Alt + left mouse button drag
Anyways, love your videos sherms, have a happy new year :)
This is what I wanted from Pharaoh honestly
Stopped watching during the WH3 phase, now it feels like Legend is happier and in his element. And I can definitely feel it, the content is just more engaging and I’m back to watching regularly now.
Same here.
I didn't play Attila but holy cow is it ever the best-looking TW game. That and the battles make it very appealing, and such a welcome contrast with the cartoonish feel of WH3.
You need to try it
Every detail honestly. If you zoom in and check out the units youll be suprised that there are hardly any "clone" models. Everyone has unique faces, hair, facial hair, clothing, shields, armor, helmets. Hell they throw a couple women in the low tier units for gaul.
@@zacharyshoemaker835 insanely good game aside from tge terrible terrible optimization
@@undary0u You know people keep saying that but i've played it well on 2 rigs. 1 970 alienware r15, and a 3070 alienware aurora. Very rarely do I have any kind of stuttering and if i do I doubt any other total war would of handled any better. Theres always been a problem with fire in these games, the most frustrating was Empire. The aurara handles max unit size which is crazy I've been loving it 😂
This would probably be one of my favorite Total Wars if not for the immersion breaking anti-player bias.
Good battle, Legend.
Just install some mods
This game is broken unfortunately. You can beat that anti-player bias by using all those formations like testudo and block chokepoints or stay in a corner. You can easily slaughter any enemy. I'm during Western Roman Empire campaign and I can defend basically every city with 3-4 units from garrison against full barbarian stack.
@@Kuzyn barbarian infantry kill Roman infantry in melee even with testudo
@@FilipMoncrief You use the cav to beat them. Cav in Attila is extremely strong, not quite as broken as 3K(high tier spears barely beat mid-high tier cav on VH battle), but still insanely powerful.
Use the Age of Charlemagne AI Diplomacy for Grand Campaign Mod. I found that factions actually make peace with eachother instead of fighting till the end of time
And the less Hun cheating mod
I don't get the hate on using noob box tactics, propably one of the most used defencive formations trough out history
i'd prefer seeing a noob box over a redline camp everyday since there wasn't a redline IRL but the noob box was.
People just get salty over easy to use things that are effective being just that.
It, like the term, comes from TW multiplayer where a player can have a lot of hours in SP at VH but not learn good micro and show up to a MP match doing something like this which works well against AI but not at all against another player.
It was most annoying in Rome Total War, where the term noob box came from. There was always one lobby that had that a player that wanted to play 50k Denarii with the rules of no artillery no chariots and no elephants. You just knew that guy was going to pick the Greek City States and spam gold/gold Spartan Hoplites and noob box.
@@ElitePraetorianGuard just deny them the rule changes
absolutely LOVE seeing atilla videos. The last "decent" total war imo. Not great nor bad, but decent. Campaign has flaws but battles are the saving grace. Tactics ACTUALLY matter. Morale is critical to a total war game. Something they lost in rome2 but thankfully fixed in atilla.
Recently i got back to Attila and realised how good this games is, i love that you continue making videos from this game
Hint. Theres an automatic ability button placed under the ability. Its great for the damage/reloading ability for archers. That way you dont need to worry about activating them over the course of a fight
Yeah, RMB
amazing, a legend, truly! i always seem to learn from your battles..simple tactics yet the level of mastery is clear as day...
This is like the Battle of Carhae 2, except the Romans won!
I gotta say that watching Legend while drunk is a very fun experience. Cheers, folks, and all that. Happy New Year, yep.
I wouldn’t even call this a dishonorable tactic Legend, this is just the common sense approach to being forced to fight a numerically superior opponent in the open. Now red-line camping on the other hand…
15:23 imagine casting pit of shades right in that huge blob of enemies! XD
Bro pulled a Crassus (except he won)
This channel is essentially the total war general practitioner LOL- Diagnoses the problem, and treats it with extreme prejudice. Bravo!
this game has the 2008 xbox 360 bargain bin shooter filter
That is crazy how effective the square was, even considering you had an entire side open
It's such a shame that mass routs don't happen (or at least very often) in new TWs. Especially in Warhammer where you could send monstrosities against Imperial line infantry and they don't break until most of them die in a slow combat.
Loved that route!! i know im saying this to the wrong person, but in Attila its rarley beneficial to pull out your unit if they're in combat, the disengagement penalty is just too much as you saw with your Legios.
For those wondering, the big hate for the massive square comes from early total war multiplayer where people would box with hoplites. It is a real tactic, but when you tune in to watch and see every new player doing it.. and their opponents do it.. its extremely boring and shows they are both massively uncreative. Same for all cav armies, which were massively broken in Rome. People want to see a mix and you basically play chess with your army, not grab all the super units and steam roll or kite an enemy to death. No one wants to watch a 3 hour cav dance. (exchange see for play. same diff)
Its called "Dwarf Tactical Geometry"......noob box....Thats going in the book!...
It is not Judea, it is People's Liberation front of Judea.
What I like about Attila it's that army loss is based more on morale damage than raw damage
Never thought i'd see the day when Noob box A.K.A. the Crassus special actually work out for the Romans!
Square was the best call to run them down so much imho. Romans are brilliant at these tight formations. Well played and realistic, too. I think most players don't think to flank with ranged units. I loved to do this with naginata samurai in shogun 2. It is my go to when out archered by my opponents.
I find the surface area/dps/morale vulnerability fascinating too.
Makes me want to try attila.
The noob box is a valid tactics. It was used by the Romans against the Etruscans or the Saminites, can't remember it honestly.
I think countless times they've been in that spot, happy to choose engagements that they are outnumbered probably has something to do with it.
A mobile moving box formation was used at Watling Street against boethia to great effect
This was incredible lol, basically how I fought every battle in warhammer 2 as dwarfs 😂❤
Now all we need is Legend to send Bitter a HOI4 disaster
I know Total Warhammer has ruined me when i see a blob like that and think "man i wish i could just cast a wind of death there"
Also i always thought my PC sucked too hard for TW Atilla, happy to know it's just poorly optimized
Day #12 of asking Legend to bring back his old outro quote "See you next time... Fuckers!"
Man, that monster blob... Just begs for a Delivery of Pizza 3, doesn't it? Or an overcasted Winds of Death.
reducing unit detail in the settings made large scale attila battles run smoothly
"Why don't you win honorably??" - yeah no, f*** that. Keep it up Legend ✊
you can even play on VHard Battle diff in TWWH3, and still not giving the AI cheats too, jsut the improved battlescripts and stuff
What
The ai cheats don't matter, you have access to more cheats.
Attila is one of the best tw games ever
Absolutely agree! Medieval 2, Shogun 2 and Attila is my top-3:)
And with this we witnessed the breaking of the Judean Peoples Front. Long live the Peoples Front of Judea.
Damn, you are a legend for this one!
I actually found more success in a noob circle where some of the units overlap as they go inwards instead of a noob box. That way my units don't get 'flanked' and sides don't really collapse like in noob boxes
Something something Trait Gained: Hates Merchants
That's some Rome 1 level stuff.
Rome 1 formations actually worked better though because the individual soldiers would attack the enemy in front of them rather than requiring entering into a dumb 1v1 animation. Could replicate the saw teeth formation and have it actually work.
Man I wish this game was optimized, I’d love to play it
This game looks optimised CA are very good at this
Beautiful rout
Its funny watching one youtuber you watch sends another youtuber you watch his disaster battle
The Judean's People's Front?!?
HA!
We're the People's Front of Judea!
Legend not using Red line and by doing so overcoming both the enemy and CA's crappy design ! Well done Legend.
Still people saying "just won honorably"? By now they should know that if it were possible the safegame wouldn´t have been send to Legend in the first place.
Honor?
There's only food and money.
That's what we call honor. Skaven laugh
19:30 “We dont have more cavalry to chase them”
His Master Militum (General) hidden in the forest:
-Am I a joke to you?
he was infantry
@@LegendofTotalWar ohhh ok, i had no idea. I always used Roman generals as cavalry, as default surely. My bad
Look again, the general is the Tier Palatina Guards, not the 2 Tier 2 melee cavalry units.
@@j.mtherandomguy8701 Yeah I saw Legend s'reply. Thx as well
Watching your videos got me back into TW
4 people hate the box lmao
Total War Attila on Legendary difficulty just sounds like torture. This was the Total War game I enjoyed the least because even on the standard difficulty, it just felt like the AI had army/eco cheats on all the time and could shit out full stacks to send against my undefended settlements, and you couldn't possibly support a garrison in every settlement. Not to mention Nomadic/Horde factions getting ignored by the other AI when controlled by the AI, but ruthlessly pursued by the AI to the ends of the map when controlled by you.
Champion+guerilla deployment. Basically you drastically reduce the number of units they can recruit each turn in a province.
Legend total war where were you when Rome needed, you in this time? your always schooling young lieutenants !
11:23 Attila's performance at its finest.
A.I. in Attila doesn't know how to keep reserves. If it did, the game would be so much harder.
Man this video could have been titled so many ways that were factually correct but would have gotten instant defamation flags . good content anyway, prosperous New Year for Legend & everybody else as well!
I would love to try Atilla, but the optimisation is just dang, and with my PC right now uh oh
when people are shaming noob box, they should realize that one of the most famous and powerful historical formation-the spanish tercio, landsknects- are noob boxes.(on steroids, maybe?)
Ominous of Carrhae
The Most Satisfying Mass Rout I ever saw was in one of your Attila campaigns I think you called it an epic horse fucking sandwich.
I'll be referring to all ME countries as "default desert factions" from now on
I find it funny that people complain about Legend using tactics such as this when, in situations like this, it would be basically impossible to win otherwise. When the AI gets cheats so ridiculously over the top you're forced to cheese to just try and be even.
This is my kind of ASMR.
hotdamn
It’s crazy to me how good you are at these games. Even if the tactics can be a little cheesy, it’s either that or no videos so 🤷♂️
Not the usual pike and shot but it works.
Stop calling it a noob box, it's a legit military formation.
you need to move the camera around more, i can still sometimes see what is going on!
Wait is this post Maccabean revolt?
On my total war atilla It’s about equal Unit per unit fight just morale is so fucking high
Atilla is one of the total war games i dont have and i gotta ask is it worth buying ?
Nah
First I hope you have a great new year!! Also day 6 of asking LegendofTotalWar to do this challange "Here is a challange that might be nearly impossible: Play fall of the samurai, play as Aizu, you cannot change to the imperialists, you can only use traditional units, has to be at development 1 (default) and not increase it, you have to do a full conquest, has to atleast give time for the enemies to get modern guns, IF you manage to win you can indeed proof that samurais were far from being obsolete, goodluck!"
You will need it
Man if they just went back and optimised this game it would be the king
Great formation, though in Warhammer AI would charge directly into hidden units on a very high battle difficulty.
You are a genius.
The reason the Ai gets buffed in Legendary is because you as the player have access to buffs that the ai does not. 2 very easy ones is traditions/govenor bonus. Govenor can add +6 to recruited units morale, Tradition can add +6 morale against an opposing race. That is a +12 easilly accessable morale. And we hardly even scratched the surface of the buffs you can get which the ai cannot access.
Man the game lags so bad.
Use enemy numbers against himself ⚔😎
the ai is truly smart
all things considered i don't think noob box is that dishonorable here
Thanks the Australian legend for not playing wh 😊
legend
Why do you say you can't change battle difficulty separately? You could. Sounds odd from such experienced player.
Hell yeah
can you do ranking total war attila factions