Patriot Missile by Lockheed Martin
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- Protecting the US Army and allies in eight nations, Patriot defends against mass attacks by enemy aircraft and missiles. It provides effective air defense at low, medium, and high altitudes with high firepower and wide area coverage. Lockheed Martin, as principal contractor to Raytheon,
produces major missile subsystems, the canister and launcher, and performs final assembly and test of the missile, canister, and launcher.
I was a launcherdog for 5 yeas, been to nine livefires and combat. I know what I'm taling about because I've seen it with my own eyes. They did not hit in desert storm, in OIF they were unstoppable
@LokiG36
I have been reading extensively on the subject of antibalistic missile systems and I have to agree with you. The Pac 3 is a very effective terminal stage interception system. The Patriot is the last line of defense in a multilayered defense system implementing the THAAD and Aegis systems. The Aegis defense system intercepts the missiles at extremely high altitudes of up to ~150 miles in the atmosphere, the THAAD intercepts at up to 93 miles and the PAC 3 patriot at up to 9 miles.
The PAC-3 is an entirely different missile than the Patriot used in the Gulf War. The GW version was never designed to shoot down ballistic missles, the PAC-3 was, and has, quite effectively.
The idea to have it on all-terrain vehicles was mainly to have the system very quickly at places difficult to trace and access (sabotage protection) and at the same time to be able to move from place to place on a regular basis in order to disable an enemy targeting. So I thought a one vehicle solution would be best at place.
This makes me wanna play command n conquer.
It's a PAC, and why would a defensive weopon need to cause fear. These things hit everthing they target and the PAC 3 is a beast.
we have the best air defense system in the world period and that's a fact.
ok you convinced me , let me have one
bluesplayer86 is right. The system was developed/engineered by Raytheon.
For the record....the PATRIOT MISSLE was designed by RAYTHEON CORP.
S-400(С-400 Russian) Super unique system. Is able to force down all air targets. Planes of the Invisible being,Helicopters, nuclear ballistic, cruise missiles with a false trajectory. S-500(С-500 Russian) Will already force down all purposes in space, any Rockets, Sputnik, and even meteorites. Height of defeat from 5m to 500km. Radius 500km. Simultaneous start on 12 targets. This system is the extremely difficult for destroying, as after a shot it can change the location.
For youre info...the first PAC 3 hit was in OIF on 20 MAR 04 by E2/43. I was there and there is footage. If you really want to see it let me know and I'll try to locate. Pac 3 put a patch on my right shoulder.
the patriot missile system suffered from a bug in the software-programmed clock/timing unit that caused worse and worse aiming miscalculations the longer the unit was fielded... i.e. the longer the clock ran, the more off-target the missile would be. The patriot missile system... an example of a software bug.
Actually, you're completely wrong. But you can think what you want. PATRIOT is constantly upgrading and getting better. It's our best defense against SCUDs and threats of that nature.
Theodore Postol, suggested that the rate of Patriot intercepts of scuds was lower than 10percent
I was in Saudi when these things were deployed for the first time in OP Desert storm. They positioned three of these things outside the King Khalid hospital and and Medical city where I was based. I saw them launch once, OMG scared the holy shit outta me. I thought the world was coming to an end. Still I'd rather them be on our side.. XD
Your are certainly right, but are there any all-terrain vehicles among what you call "individual vehicles"?
the number one cause for war is FEAR. fear of not knowing what the other will do, not knowing what they are capable of. but mostly fear of another trying to push their ideals on others who dont want to. we are all the same and from the same god. learn to respect and love eachother so we dont kill our families in the process. Godbless all!
by the time(if ever) the S-400 is built in sufficient numbers to actually be a threat it will probably be near obsolete.
This thing is 2 generations behind the s-400.
Nice.
My former NCOs would beg to differ
@AKAtheA Yes the PAC-3 missile is but the one that you are talking about for it's failures are the PAC-1 missile then the PAC-2 missile that followed it was just an upgrade of it but the PAC-3 is a completely new design.
S-300 and S-400 also had 360 degree coverage
@TheMilitaryTactics video says it IS intended against aircraft and ballistic missiles...
Magnetic wing tech question.;Wings on of new Jet could be made to produce less wing drag by placing small magnetic wings above large wings and make both these wings high charged magnetic metal. Now a Jet has four magnetized wings. They act as vibration reducer. Creating higher speed and control values. Of course computer would control magnetic power of the wings and change magnetism when it turns and lands.Same thing can be done with these long range anti-ballistic missiles.
good idea, however, and im no scientist, my guess would be that in order to levitate something that big you would need a huge magnet, and im guessing that would be very expensive, also it might affect the rockets trajectory or radar equipment, just a theory
Could the Patriot System (3 components) be loaded on one very large all-terrain truck, like an Oshkosh and be an equivalent of the "Scuds"? Or does is already exist?
@Buuub08 This was the PAC-1 missile that never was intended for a anti-ballistic missile defence and so none of the Russian ones were effective against these either form that time.
Like they say in Texas,if you mess with the Bull you get the horns....
Alpha 2/43 108th 18th Airborne 14T Launcher Dog!!!
@kiailol
This film and thread is about 1st gen. Patriot. Patriot did what it was designed to do in Desert Storm. It never was designed to cover/protect an entire country...airport maybe, country NO.
@mangler117
In terms of range, Aegis 310 miles, THAAD 125+ miles, Pac 3 range is 29 miles
@neloza86 Actually the units in Israel let Scuds "get through" if the were heading for the Palestinian side. Also the first couple of Scuds we had to learn fast that Scuds break up in many pieces on reentry. Hard to know which piece is the war head.
Its a mistake thinking Patriot won't work for missiles.
I don't know what came out after 1992 but the Patriot I know was a great system. Mine was made by Raytheon.
this is scarry,please dont drop the patroit on my house
@nedeljko031
I don't care what the Discovery Chanel thinks on the subject...I was there.
Also I don't know shit about software but I was an instructor at the Patriot Missile school and served in Desert Storm with Patriot . Once the particulars of the Scuds were realized, they were dialed in BUT expecting 20 or 30 Patriot batteries to cover an entire country is naive. By the way give me the info on the 26 soldiers....link? Also are you Russian or Arab?
@hechacaldo I was there and I agree. There was the friendly fire thing but that was cause the French thought they were too good for transponders. And there was the missiles headed for Palestine that the Israels let through. And there was the Scuds coming down in 20 pieces and not knowing which one was the payload. But when I got back all I saw on TV was" the Patriot doesn't work". BUT IT DID!
@JetMechMA No you're wrong. You said people have the right to privacy, the complete opposite.
Is it possible to lesson friction on cannon guns on a battle ship, when missile and cannon are made with high powered electro magnet material. Allowing less friction in between cannon and missile.Levitating rocket or Jet's tail wing with high powered electro gyro magnetic ability, and at high speeds it might be tough to balance at high G's. Another idea; A small missile be connected to a Jet's wing with no actual contact only levitated magnet force.
Do you think that this missile could shoot down an asteroid???
@franknbeans4761 Aegis system is a multi weapon complex based on the Phalanx CIWS, mark 41 VLS, many radars like the AN/SPY-1 and of course the sistem have a capability range of 500 km thanks to his SM-3 Misile but now we are talking about sea versions, i admit it SM-3 misile have more range but S-400 have more flight speed at mach 12 vs SM-3 9,600 km/h, and have more Flight ceiling 185 km vs SM-3 160 km, i admit aegis system is great but S-400 is great too, lets see the future naval s-400 XD
@franknbeans4761 - My idea was to have 1 truck ready for a fast deployment wherever required and in difficult accessible terrains. Could be spread all over the country. I have seen the Patriot System in Paris (Le Bourget 2009) and the main vehicle looks more like a loader to me.It is not clear to me what you mean by "Land Train", or which would be the advantage to spread it out on other trucks. Of course looking at a picture the 2 smaller components would have to be minimized to be assembled.
wernt all the surface to air PAC kills in OIF exclusively british aircraft?
Well that's 30% of the Scud missiles that didn't kill innocent people. In battle I would rather have an inaccurate gun than no gun. So according to your logic we shouldn't have used the patriot batteries at all. Great thinking.
@JetMechMA And btw, thats correct shareholders vote for the chairman and board members. Sorry to assume. I am a shareholder myself. Not enough to be a primary to vote, but point being we vote for someone else to make decisions and laws.
@JetMechMA Btw (I saw a comment you made that I missed) a corporation is ran just like the United States. You have the Exectuive (CEO and those under him), Judicial (Board), and Legislative (shareholders). Inside a corporation, it is run just like a Republic. You have the voting which is a democratic practice with the shareholders but only to put someone in power, then they make decisions and determine the outcome of the company, with checks and balances making it like a republic.
S-300 PMU2 "Favorit" and S-400 "Triumph" are a lot better, infact "Favorit" is the best SAM in the world at the moment.
Wow, you obviously have no idea what your talking about. The S-300 and S-400 is by far the best SAM system in the world.
The US has offered Russia to buy a version S-300, but of course, they refused. Does this tell you something?
Get your facts straight please, Mr. Canadian.
@Wargeneralguy
thats one of my favorite games!
Remind me of Tony Stark =))
@wslx0195 shareholders can also try to write propositions in the company but they go up for review from the other two parts of the company. So it's all a fractal. Corporations exist inside of the United States Law, and reflect the law itself as a whole, which is a republic and they both operate with similarities.
@wslx0195 Which we do have the right to privacy, just not in public. There have been controversial cases about this. And, it has always ruled that when out in public, privacy rights are very limited.
@JetMechMA If American businesses didn't didn't have factories in China, then most companies would ultimately fail or have slow productivity ESPECIALLY after Obama's increase in taxes, on top of the current high employment taxes, benefits, and wages in the country. It would make sense that factories in the states would increase employment but not from a statistical point of view looking at the increasing overhead. It would damage employment as the number of businesses would fall.
@JetMechMA My imagination is not required to realize that you only quoted and responded to a small segment of my statement. It's right there. This tactic is commonplace because clipping small portions of a sentence can leave it incomplete, and can alter its meaning. We call this putting words in people's mouths..
@neloza86
From what I see you know very little about military technology.
The new version of PAC 3 which uses Hit-to-kill technology is much more efficient, then C-300, 400 at close ranges. C-400 and C-300 use use the same technology that PAC-1 used in gulf war, that is blowing the warhead in the proximity of the target. As you know that technology fails to provide the necessary protection.
And lets not start talking about THAAD and SM-3.
@sgtrock68
The Iraqi military was still hurting badly from the Iran Iraq War when the Gulf War began. Iraq was using mostly 60s and early 70s Soviet equipment and their armed forces only ever ranked #4 in size, not effectiveness. Bottom line is we don't need missile defense, Raytheon charges exorbitant amounts of money for piss-poor quality products that don't perform under pressure. We're already set to spend one trillion dollars on the military this year, spending is way out of hand.
RIO, well America isn't a democracy to begin with. It's a Democratic Republic. It's a government ruled by the law with democratic practices. Many people don't understand this...
The Patriot pac 1 was a great SAM missile but it failed as an anti ballistic missile system it had a low success rate and it infact caused more harm then good im surprised to see the video that starts at 0:22 in a promotion for the Patriot since it's one of the biggest failure this system ever had in this video you can see two Patriot missiles lunch to protect the Israeli coastal city of Haifa against Iraqi squad missiles a task in which it failed.
no, i mean the kills WERE british aircraft
@JetMechMA You also failed to look at the fact that importing goods from the bottom of production in china, allowing faster productivity, will in the end give more jobs to Americans in the end-user fields, corporate at numbers so much higher than if we had the bottom-of-production factories in America simply due to the extremely higher overhead that will impact the business. Our economy thrives off of importing goods.
I just like to give SRAD as much shit as you guys gave us when I was in. You guys are tough as nails. Patriot is a miserable place in the Army though and it pisses me off when people who haven't been there talk about us.
@JetMechMA I like how you're still insulting me as you're becoming frustrated. We do have the right to privacy... in privacy but not in public. The police also have the right to investigation. You can refuse to show an officer of the law your id, but if they feel suspicious of that, then they have the right to further investigate. This means, to look up who you are, or ask questions. Sure you don't have to answer them, but that will only make matters more irritating.
U have no proof on what you just said. Which defense industry u work with? give me some proof. google is for the public to use.
@SouleXtasis The S-400 is obsolete.
@franknbeans4761 quantity vs quality, the russian have is own response vs aegis system, have u heard about the S-500, vitaz and Morfey Systems? US had always more founds then the russians, but they have the need to have an answer... y don´t have nothing against the US but since WW2 the russians are ahead when it concerns to misiles, how was first to go into space? and the US really went to the moon? and if they were why have not returned?
@JetMechMA My point is that the union is part of a Federation of Republics. Did you know that France, Germany, England, and all other European countries are republics? They have a system of democracy to vote people into power just like the USA. Are you going to use them as a model in your agenda to prove me wrong? Of course not because theyre a capitalist federation of republics known as the European Union, which is similar to the Union of the states, which is also a republic.
@JetMechMA No man look it up. American Government is classified as a Constitutional Republic by nature, which means a sovereign nation ruled by 'the law'. We have a party system to weight out the checks and balances to satisfy everyone's rightful opinion. We operate this balance through a democratic system but a true democracy does not have law, it only has majority rules. I understand a lot more than you do based on what I have posted and what you have posted.
There are very justifiable reasons for US presence in Middle East.
As we have learned from history & philosophy, democracy leads to peace. Therefore we want to promote it. One example is US presence in Japan after WW2 & results it led to. We can also look at Germany & Korea. Yes, circumstances are different today - there is no USSR - however, premise is the same. Replace USSR w/ militant Islamic groups & governments (Iran, Al Queada, Taliban). These groups will grow if democracy doesn't.
@nedeljko031 Thats not how it works.
@JetMechMA Just sounds to me that you have a huge grudge on the fact that our corporations have moved to cheaper labor in China. Of course, this can be fixed if everyone took economics or business classes in school. People would understand the hurdles that are in the way that prevent us from opening more factories in the states without marking up end-products so insanely, damaging a business especially in a crisis.
well..... i didn't work so well against the bad guys in G.I.Joe
@JetMechMA We vote for the board of directors. We vote for politicians. Ok.. Now who makes the laws? Who is in charge of the government and who put the laws in writing? The few people in power do after we vote them in. That is a republic. You're welcome. I'm glad I finally got you to understand what makes a republic. Otherwise, a democracy would mean we would not need a politician to take power. We individually would have direct power by majority. And, there would be no written law.
This is a toy comparing to Russian S300 and S400 missles :)
We hit everything we targeted when the war kicked off so I don't understand where you got your info. It's funny to hear people talk shit like that because everybody was certainly glad to see us when we arrived in Kuwait. MLRS can't handle the targets this thing can hit.
@JetMechMA Having a false idea on what a democracy and republic is, and the nature of commerce and what caused the US Corps to need to outsource to survive.
@lordvader5246 seriously, where do you get your information from? B52 vs Bear? Why would a heavy bomber be compared to a maritime patrol aircraft? F33? never heard of that aircraft. Russia has more ordinance lying in sheds than the US will ever have, and that's the shitty stuff they let you know about. Oh and (in my experience in theater) cheap and simple often beats big and expensive, $25 worth of semtex vs a $250,000 APC, APC loses.
@JetMechMA I'm not lying. You ARE clipping portions of a sentence, however you're replying as if the other half or portion isn't there. Stop your childish games and get back to the subject.
@SouleXtasis I never like the Patriot and the S-400. I prefer the Swedish and German made air/missile Defense systems. :)
@franknbeans4761 Where do you get that information? from Discovery.. History Channel or another US made propaganda? S-500 and Morfey systems are to enter in service in 2013 and THAAD system is not superior to s-400 just see the specifications, and the Aegis system who are you so proud about is nothing vs Moskit misile and his remplace P-800 Onyx, US have great weapons and a enormous stockpile i admit it! but in this case the actual best Anti air system is the S-400 at least in specifications
@quickzilver333 Then the Patriot pac-3 is worst
lol
@JetMechMA You attacking me directly (calling me naive and a hater of America) is just low. An assault like that in a debate shows insecurity and inability to elaborate on counter-arguments. You're spreading propaganda by saying I am a hater of America by refusing to call it a Democracy. America is not a democracy. A democracy means ruling majority IS law. But, in the US, we have laws that govern the democracy making it a Republic. Constitution is law so we're a Constitutional (Democratic) Rep.
@nedeljko031
Ok what ever you want.
@kiailol Poor engineering? The Iraqis bought a medium range missile from the USSR and got it to go twice as far but not so accurate. If they had used their chemical war heads they would have been plenty accurate. At the time of Desert Storm Jane's Defense ranked the Iraqi military #4 in the world. So you actin like we fought a bunch of goat herders is naive. How old are you again? Happy Independence Day.
Yeah like paying millions of dollars to have a seat in the underground bunker ? I dont think that peace have to do something, and we are dont even sure of the mayas predictions. 12/12/2012 has nothing to do with maths, in fact maya maths where good but like 90% not good.
@wslx0195 Sorry, to be specific, I mean taxes on businesses.
@franknbeans4761 Both US and Russian have great weapons, i think that we never see a war among themselves... only proxy wars! and i think that the real US enemy now and for the near future is China and i prefer stay in the US side, personally don´t like a world led by china... so I support and admire the developing and publishing of new weapons for both US and Russians :P
best air defence is s-400 and served Russia only
@sgtrock68
The scuds were such a minor threat they could have all hit their marks and it wouldn't have done a whole lot. For the most part poor engineering saved US forces from the scuds more than the patriot did. The Russians have developed far superior surface launched missiles for a fraction the cost because Raytheon doesn't have them by the balls.
@JetMechMA Democracy is a tool that we use to pass laws. But once a law is passed, it is law... That is a republic. You cant openly overrule the law against murder by outnumbering your victims to win a majority overrule... because there still is written law against it. That makes it a republic. So many things wrong with your understanding of government systems, especially one in your own country.
They r very good at protecting jews :D
@JetMechMA Ok. They make money. Thats what business is all about. Are you considering taking control of the money that these corporations make by earning just because they make so much?? Are you considering some kind of distribution? That is communism. And, it wasnt a right wing person who allowed the buyout of large, failing corporations, it was a socialist, left-wing group. IMO corporations should be allowed to fail to allow small businesses to rise. But nothing wrong with large income.
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@wslx0195 The laws and propositions we vote for or proposed by politicians, so even if you feel like you're voting for a law, you're only voting for a law that someone else was able to bring to the table. Once again, we are a republic. We vote for laws through a conduit; a politician. Once passed, these bills become the law. We have a law created by the people through individuals of power, and that makes us a republic as well. I can go on and prove you wrong.
@wslx0195 A republic means a government for/by the people. It does not reflect a type of commerce or economy (capitalism or communism). China is a communist republic, and the USA is a capitalist Federal (made up of individual governments of the states) Republic. I can tell that you have learned a lot from talking to me, or you refused to learn and you still don't know the meaning to democracy, republic, or multinational trade.
@JetMechMA You're ignoring other things that are on the table now. You added one more thing to the table : decimation of the union. You should stop this diversion here, attacking me, and continue debating on the subject you chose. Otherwise, the only one here who has lost and caused a distraction is you.
The American democracy - a myth
@JetMechMA Dont get me wrong. I am all for having factories in America to hire more Americans. But as of now, that is all an unachievable dream because wages, taxes, and insurance (overhead in general) are all going up and the economy is all going down. Once again, you would understand this if you knew a thing or two about economics and business.
@neloza86 Yes but look at weapons today ;) Stop going backwards lol.
You can and deceive further yourself in occasion of PAK