My favorite Underdogs trope is: LittleZ makes a WILD stance. Hop disagrees and makes valid points. LittleZ makes a stupid point. Cogger makes the joke of coming around since hearing LittleZ’s bad argument. Poppt1 mentions how he’s losing/winning. Repeat. Profit. Fuck, I love this channel with all my heart.
how to properly argue this ask the question: by what standard is someone the best falco? So then you are able to establish either by complete win rate or adaptability or matchup coverage
This “best in the world” argument coming from Little Z, the man who claims “world’s best Falco” by beating the world’s best Falco while having a spirit equipped on him and not his opponent. Makes sense why he thinks that.
When Cogger said they spoke of Octopi on the podcast, he was actually referring to his Tell That To Your Auntie podcast episode where they talk about Octopi the whole episode
The reason that Toad's Factory had music is probably because of its dynamic music. When P1 takes the big jump out of the factory, the music resets to the start, which seems to work even if the music never started playing before.
Yo, literally today i was on a "watching the underdogs play Mario Kart" binge and now this pops up. Genuinely incredible stuff, you guys know what the fans want.
Trying to pick apart Zack's argument: If the runner won the race because they chose the best equipment/clothes, then they are indeed the best "runner", as in "Best Athlete that Adapted to the Various Factors to Win a Race". If "runner" is defined as "Best at Solely RUNNING", then Peter is right. Wearing good pants doesn't mean you would run faster than everyone on equal grounds.
I laughed so hard during this video. Little Z's backwards logic on what makes someone the best driver was hilarious, followed by Poppt just getting FUCKED in that one round plus the ultimate Hopcat sweating... and even Cogger got mad :D
(obligatory generic comment thanking the Underdogs for yet another amazing video, asking them to play "xyz" games next, and why "xyz" should be Mario Kart: Double Dash!!) Edit: In terms of pure skill, Zack's average final placement this video was 5th and Peter's was 3rd (my calculator said 2.25, so I rounded). With Dry Bones in the Tiny Titan, Zack finished 11th, and Peter finished 3rd. Granted, both of these are just determining raw player talent, not character viability, game knowledge, track knowledge, etc., so I am only saying the Underdog with the most raw talent, not necessarily the overall best Underdog.
"There's no indicator so you might be thinking you got a bullet bill and instead you have the terrible thunder cloud" thunder cloud is literally the only item in the game that uses itself, couldn't have picked a worse example😂
Ok Hop and Z are both right about the best driver argument. You can’t call someone the best because they win, but the way you call someone the best is if they are able to win. If they are able to perform the best on a level playing field, then they are the best.
0:29 saying "in the window" doesn't make sense because the saying "out the window" refers to throwing something outside through a window, not taking something out from inside a window.
God Z says some dumb things, love Hop being a voice of reason and intelligence, the conversation about best drivers was hilarious, reminds me of the don't be on my team cause Zac was playing off-stage little mac with Peter on his team🤣
Bro no way Little Z just said Happy Valentines Day when this was recorded during Christmas time. That was either a godlike prediction or they knew and perfectly scheduled it, either way, that’s nutty. And then he follows it up with the dumbest argument ever about how your gear is part of your skill, some of the dumbest crap I’ve ever heard. I like how on Desert Hills Little Z rats on Jordan for not knowing the darker sand is out of bounds but then does the same thing later and is confused.
21:27 It means that once the octopus is dead if you touch the arms they'll try and wiggle away, but since there's no control over them they'll just wiggle about until they run out of energy but since there dead the octopus will not eat and give the tentacles more energy
The way I see it, this adds less skill to the game. The less info you have, the less strategy you can use. This takes the already skill reducing random items, and removes players' ability to tactically work with them. Now, please, don't get me wrong. I'm not complaining, and Mario Kart was never known for rewarding high skill anyways. It was fun to watch these guys struggle through MKWii without knowing what was going on. The TRUE test of pure skill would be as follows: 1: Choose 5 (or more, based on how much time you have) character + kart combos. Each one of them should be different enough from each other so that you end up testing how each player does with a set that emphasizes different stats. With infinite time, you would use every character + kart combo, but let's just use 5 for now. 2: Choose 1 of those 5 (that has not been chosen for these next few steps yet), and have each player select it. 3: Set speed to 150cc (if it has not already been set there), turn items off, and turn AI off. 4: Race each track, or at least enough different tracks to test various aspects of racing, at least once. Ideally, each track should be driven at least 5 times, but again, time is a factor. If you did not race each track remember the tracks you did race on. You will use those tracks for all the repeats. 5: Record the finishing positions of each player, for each race. 6: Repeat steps 2-5 until all the chosen character + kart combos have raced on the various tracks at least twice. 7: Use the collected data to calculate the average finish (across the various character + kart combos). Whichever player has the best average finish is truly the most skilled. A few notes about the test. One, the more races you run at each track, the less likely a fluke is to impact the overall outcome. Two, turning items off altogether reduces Mario Kart to Forza: Nintendo edition, yes, but this way, as much RNG is taken out. As RNG amounts go up, skill becomes less and less important. Again, there is nothing inherently wrong with removing skill, and people don't play Mario Kart to see who the best is. They play Mario Kart to have fun, and ultimately, that should be the goal. Thank you for reading this absolute monstrosity of a comment. I wish you a pleasant day, wherever you may be.
It took me way too long to realize that the perspective changes depending on who’s the main speaker. Props to the editor! Seems like a buttload of work.
Regarding the Dry and wet bowser conundrum: Say, Zack dies and his body fully decomposes so he's only a skeleton, would he be Dry Zack then? Does that mean he's Wet Zack now? Are we all just wet until we die?
I agree with Little Z on this one, the person who wins big races like that are usually regarded as the best driver and all, choosing your car is very much part of it.
Oooh I hope you guys keep doing mod videos with Mario kart and smash, they’re just as fun as the normal videos Edit: I love how when the exact same thing happens to poppt but worse he gets less mad than zack 💀
19:13 Poppt's probably thinking of Catherine the Great from Russia who had a horse suspended above her and while trying to do it, had the horse accidently fall on her, killing her, although this has not been verified yet.
Is no one going tell little Z that the bit he hit is most likely plastic? Bumpers on newer cars usually have a metal bumper that being hidden by a plastic cover.
6:26 about their car discussion: if it is a test of who is better, the car should be an equalizer. Skill must be the only differentiator if it’s to be properly determined. But if one person has a Tesla and the other a Honda Civic, unless the skill is immensely screwed in favor of the Civic driver, the Tesla driver will win regardless of skill
1:52 I was simply the worse driver
I’m so sorry Poppt. You got absolutely fucked.
You didn't yell win🤷. It has a 100% success rate
or was it the car? 🤨
Rip in peace 1st for you it’s just fate you’re not allowed to win
What the hell was that
My favorite Underdogs trope is: LittleZ makes a WILD stance. Hop disagrees and makes valid points. LittleZ makes a stupid point. Cogger makes the joke of coming around since hearing LittleZ’s bad argument. Poppt1 mentions how he’s losing/winning. Repeat. Profit.
Fuck, I love this channel with all my heart.
This is literally this entire channel and I love it
Cogger is the one being convinced
Wow, they actually called the Valentine’s Day release! Way to stay on track boys 👍
epic
Pog
the Christmas reference into valentine days joke was hilarious
its the 15th in australia rn
These people have become prophets. Poggers
1:53 That Red shell coming back around to hit Jordan cracked me up 😂
This whole "best driver" argument reminds me of Zack being the official "best falco in the world".
Also, for Little Z’s best argument:
He’s the world’s best Falco, but sometimes he loses. So the winner is clearly not always the best character.
Yeah
how to properly argue this ask the question: by what standard is someone the best falco? So then you are able to establish either by complete win rate or adaptability or matchup coverage
@@flyinggyrados4591 You become the best Falco by being Little Z, easy.
Wasn’t that Hopcat’s argument?
@@ravantgarde1899 Yes, this comment is meant to prove HopCat’s argument correct
10:33 Wario went insane on Zach there and I cannot believe he didn't lose his mind at that
I feel like that is what we need in order to rebuild the chillometer.
Goodness
3:03 Zack with the hard reads out here
This “best in the world” argument coming from Little Z, the man who claims “world’s best Falco” by beating the world’s best Falco while having a spirit equipped on him and not his opponent. Makes sense why he thinks that.
It was hilarious when Zachs and Jordans screams were perfectly cut. Great job editor!
17:21
17:25
When Cogger said they spoke of Octopi on the podcast, he was actually referring to his Tell That To Your Auntie podcast episode where they talk about Octopi the whole episode
The reason that Toad's Factory had music is probably because of its dynamic music. When P1 takes the big jump out of the factory, the music resets to the start, which seems to work even if the music never started playing before.
There's no way that red shell followed him backwards. That is SO CURSED
it didnt follow him backwards, he threw it and then fell on top of it
@@thefoolsace 1:53
@@okgamer2158 sorry, i thought they were talking about when he hit himself with the red shell
The red shell thought it was from ds
Yo, literally today i was on a "watching the underdogs play Mario Kart" binge and now this pops up.
Genuinely incredible stuff, you guys know what the fans want.
No way Little Z called out this would be released on Valentines Day, what a legend
It's not like if they manage the Underdogs channel. lol
@@Andre_WithS Unless they knew it would be released 49 days from Christmas, it was a prediction
You guys should do a random unseen amount of laps between 1 and 5 or something, could be fun.
Love the videos (:
Yep. Rainbow road especially
That sounds like hell, I love it
Trying to pick apart Zack's argument: If the runner won the race because they chose the best equipment/clothes, then they are indeed the best "runner", as in "Best Athlete that Adapted to the Various Factors to Win a Race".
If "runner" is defined as "Best at Solely RUNNING", then Peter is right. Wearing good pants doesn't mean you would run faster than everyone on equal grounds.
I want the underdogs to make a shirt "Got a problem? Up on the D-Pad." or something along those lines.
Me: How do I get my wife back?
Peter: up on the d-pad
14:00 Whether having a good or bad start to your day effects you
Horse Shlong
21:00 GF parents driffed stories
I don't know if I've laughed this hard in a while, thank you guys. Work stress this week so really needed that.
I don’t know why but this was legit one of the funniest underdogs videos ever!! Keep up the insane commentary guys!!
12:56 had me dying when cogger was the only one who was confused then zac just kept talking
Finally, another mario kart video. Ive watched all the others at least 3 times each, im bot over exaggerating.
Same here ngl
I'm bot
Only 3?
Same, however it's been the whole Playlist lol!
Hi sudowoodo
"Is normal bowser wet bowser?" Ahh i see the underdogs are suffering from the same existential questions once asked by Brian David Gilbert
I laughed so hard during this video. Little Z's backwards logic on what makes someone the best driver was hilarious, followed by Poppt just getting FUCKED in that one round plus the ultimate Hopcat sweating... and even Cogger got mad :D
I love the mario kart content! It always makes my day seeing them!
So glad to see Mario Kart Wii reinstated! my favorite series on the Underdogs and so much rewatch value
17:45 is the best part of this video
zack and peter are literally like cartoon rivals they cannot agree on anything
(obligatory generic comment thanking the Underdogs for yet another amazing video, asking them to play "xyz" games next, and why "xyz" should be Mario Kart: Double Dash!!)
Edit: In terms of pure skill, Zack's average final placement this video was 5th and Peter's was 3rd (my calculator said 2.25, so I rounded).
With Dry Bones in the Tiny Titan, Zack finished 11th, and Peter finished 3rd. Granted, both of these are just determining raw player talent, not character viability, game knowledge, track knowledge, etc., so I am only saying the Underdog with the most raw talent, not necessarily the overall best Underdog.
I literally have been waiting for so long for another, no joke I’ve rewatched the MK playlist like 10 times
4:46
Peter: "You broke [the Chill-o-meter]"
Jackson: "Oh, that's standard..."
Common Cogger W.
thanks for bringing up the iconic 2005 Enumclaw Horse Sex Case in this one
I feel like my braincells are deteriorating listening to these arguments. I feel so bad for Hopcat
"There's no indicator so you might be thinking you got a bullet bill and instead you have the terrible thunder cloud" thunder cloud is literally the only item in the game that uses itself, couldn't have picked a worse example😂
Ok Hop and Z are both right about the best driver argument. You can’t call someone the best because they win, but the way you call someone the best is if they are able to win. If they are able to perform the best on a level playing field, then they are the best.
0:29 saying "in the window" doesn't make sense because the saying "out the window" refers to throwing something outside through a window, not taking something out from inside a window.
The Underdogs' content grind stops for no-one. Keep up the good work, love from the UK :)
Zack: Strategy is out the window, but I'm still going the best charcater on the best bike.
Also Zack: *Uses Waluigi*
I love how Zack explains how you can't see your items with the only two items in the game that auto activate.
24:56 Best moment for sure in the video! Love the underdogs ❤️
zack's high jumper analogy had me crying wow
I just want to see Cogger winning a cup once 😞👌🏻
He's getting there, but poppt1 did a lot better than usual
I was just watching the old mario kart videos today so this is so perfect!
God Z says some dumb things, love Hop being a voice of reason and intelligence, the conversation about best drivers was hilarious, reminds me of the don't be on my team cause Zac was playing off-stage little mac with Peter on his team🤣
30:57 Jackson legitimately gets more enraged at others' misfortune than his. XD
Zack has that Valentine’s Day read
OMG AN UNDERDOGS MARIO KART VIDEO. LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!
literally JUST finished watching "WE ALL CHOSE SUPER BLOOPER" again and this drops. love the underdogs
3:03 good call mate, good call 🤣
Underdogs go kart racing sounds like an amazing idea
Jordan got mariokarted at 1:52
Mario Kart but Poppt1 makes the rules: no items
Bro no way Little Z just said Happy Valentines Day when this was recorded during Christmas time. That was either a godlike prediction or they knew and perfectly scheduled it, either way, that’s nutty. And then he follows it up with the dumbest argument ever about how your gear is part of your skill, some of the dumbest crap I’ve ever heard.
I like how on Desert Hills Little Z rats on Jordan for not knowing the darker sand is out of bounds but then does the same thing later and is confused.
12:32
poppt:"No your fingers in babies."
Fbi:Interesting
"This video is definetly coming after Christmas" this video almost came after winter (or summer in Australia)
21:27 It means that once the octopus is dead if you touch the arms they'll try and wiggle away, but since there's no control over them they'll just wiggle about until they run out of energy but since there dead the octopus will not eat and give the tentacles more energy
The way I see it, this adds less skill to the game. The less info you have, the less strategy you can use. This takes the already skill reducing random items, and removes players' ability to tactically work with them. Now, please, don't get me wrong. I'm not complaining, and Mario Kart was never known for rewarding high skill anyways. It was fun to watch these guys struggle through MKWii without knowing what was going on.
The TRUE test of pure skill would be as follows:
1: Choose 5 (or more, based on how much time you have) character + kart combos. Each one of them should be different enough from each other so that you end up testing how each player does with a set that emphasizes different stats. With infinite time, you would use every character + kart combo, but let's just use 5 for now.
2: Choose 1 of those 5 (that has not been chosen for these next few steps yet), and have each player select it.
3: Set speed to 150cc (if it has not already been set there), turn items off, and turn AI off.
4: Race each track, or at least enough different tracks to test various aspects of racing, at least once. Ideally, each track should be driven at least 5 times, but again, time is a factor. If you did not race each track remember the tracks you did race on. You will use those tracks for all the repeats.
5: Record the finishing positions of each player, for each race.
6: Repeat steps 2-5 until all the chosen character + kart combos have raced on the various tracks at least twice.
7: Use the collected data to calculate the average finish (across the various character + kart combos). Whichever player has the best average finish is truly the most skilled.
A few notes about the test. One, the more races you run at each track, the less likely a fluke is to impact the overall outcome. Two, turning items off altogether reduces Mario Kart to Forza: Nintendo edition, yes, but this way, as much RNG is taken out. As RNG amounts go up, skill becomes less and less important. Again, there is nothing inherently wrong with removing skill, and people don't play Mario Kart to see who the best is. They play Mario Kart to have fun, and ultimately, that should be the goal.
Thank you for reading this absolute monstrosity of a comment. I wish you a pleasant day, wherever you may be.
19:13 it was a guy, mr hands…..and yes I hate the fact that I know this
Let's gooooo, Mario Kart with the Underdogs, I love these vids
Love the content, been a long time fan. Keep the uploads up!!
The way Jackson flew off at 29:23 was so brutal xD
Interviewer: "Why do you think you'll be good for this job?"
Jordan thinking: @19:13
Jordan: "I have a lot of knowledge to share..."
Hes right except it was a dude. “Mr hands”
Dang Ollie is having a great time in the backround! Don't mind the barking lol
That CLASSIC Ster_ "Whattam'I gonna get?" When Zack used his item. I caught that, Z.
It took me way too long to realize that the perspective changes depending on who’s the main speaker.
Props to the editor! Seems like a buttload of work.
Love the mini-arc of preventing NPC driver Toad from becoming the best IRL driver in the underdogs
Z's racecar argument is why he claims to be the best falco in the world
I LOVE the underdogs mario kart wii videos, I watched every singke one 5 times
I am in love with this whole "best driver" thing
Zack: Says "Happyyyyyyyy Valentine's Day" before Christmas
Good call
That quick as "nah, two christmases" from Jordan cracked me up
Zacks timing on Valentine’s Day was perfect
Actually a Boeing engineer named Mr. Hands. For the horse thing.
The horse was named mr hands not the Boeing engineer
Its almost 1 am, but sleep can wait. UNDERDOGS MARIO KART WII BABYYYYYYYY
Mario Kart might be my favorite content from the Underdogs.
It's either that or Smash Bros, Mario Party, IRL stuff or the podcasts. One of them.
So like, are of their content? Because if so, I agree.
Octopii have three hearts not brains, one wrong word made a huge difference in that conversation lol
Regarding the Dry and wet bowser conundrum: Say, Zack dies and his body fully decomposes so he's only a skeleton, would he be Dry Zack then? Does that mean he's Wet Zack now? Are we all just wet until we die?
I agree with Hopcat's best driver logic 👍
7:25 cogger be like: well you got me.
While it still counts it definitely doesn't make any sense
An easy way to deconstruct Little Zs arguments is to put Cogger on the best combo and everyone else on the worst and see if he becomes the best driver
I agree with Little Z on this one, the person who wins big races like that are usually regarded as the best driver and all, choosing your car is very much part of it.
Man I love the underdogs, but for God's sake they're not the cleverest😂
LOVE the mario kart videos guys
Hilarious as usual!🤣 You guys should check out Diddy Kong Racing, Cogger will love it.
Oooh I hope you guys keep doing mod videos with Mario kart and smash, they’re just as fun as the normal videos
Edit: I love how when the exact same thing happens to poppt but worse he gets less mad than zack 💀
19:13
Poppt's probably thinking of Catherine the Great from Russia who had a horse suspended above her and while trying to do it, had the horse accidently fall on her, killing her, although this has not been verified yet.
I think he was actually thinking of the emumclaw horse case
Weren't they saying it was a girl.
@@CobaltPerseverance154 yes but jordan almost never recounts things properly and that’s the most well known horse related death
Is no one going tell little Z that the bit he hit is most likely plastic? Bumpers on newer cars usually have a metal bumper that being hidden by a plastic cover.
Does that mean there's a metal bumper thats dented in but you can't tell because it's covered by that plastic shell?
@@lazyryan3766 no there's space in between the metal part and the plastic part.
the fact that jackson hitting the wall saved him on the first race is crazy
I love Zach and Peter bickering. Me and my buddy have the exact same stupid arguments
3:03 HES A GENIUS
The best Valentines day gift ever, thank you Cogger
This arguement is coming from the self proclaimed worlds best falco after winning with spirits
Best driver ≠ Best racer lmao
Deconstructed Zack’s argument in 1 sentence
every time I watch this I'm reminded that zack is a muppet
6:26 about their car discussion: if it is a test of who is better, the car should be an equalizer. Skill must be the only differentiator if it’s to be properly determined. But if one person has a Tesla and the other a Honda Civic, unless the skill is immensely screwed in favor of the Civic driver, the Tesla driver will win regardless of skill
I’ve never thought I’d laugh so hard watching underdogs play Mario kart wii
"I'm like a dog..." Scrappy Z confirmed?????
You know I was watching a documentary, but this seems much better