So Kinnock thinks the public will grow to trust Starmer and find him dependable? Is he talking about the same Starmer that has already reneged on every single pledge he made to become party leader? The fact is, he’s managed to lose the trust of traditional labour voters before he’s even got into power.
The interests of the red wall, traditional working class, blairites, EU pant sniffers, Islam, militant trade unionists and blokes in dresses who want to use the ladies bogs are too mutually exclusive to be satisfied by one party. That middle aged gammon Sir Rodney "Beer" Starmer will not be able to keep all these plates spinning.
Exactly this. Starmer is dishonest and duplicitous, and he has shifted Labour not to the centre, but to the centre-right. He simply does not deserve the support of progressive voters.
Many people voting in 2024 weren't even born when Blair became PM. Many voters don't even remember New Labour. ...And details of Kinnock's career is irrelevant in the context of the next election.
@@ruthbashford3176 how about the elites grooming gangs ran by cia and mosaad I which Epstein got caught and then mysteriously killed under very strange circumstances better to look at that first
It may have been Thatcherism that put us in this mess in the first place, but The Tories abandoned Thatcherism a long time ago. David Cameron was probably the last Thatcherite prime minister, and I doubt even he really believed that Thatcherite policies could bring economic prosperity anymore. Thatcher would never for one second have entertained the idea of Brexit, let alone a hard one. She would also never have allowed such levels of open corruption. The current Tories are worse than Thatcherites. They work in the interests of oligarchs who thrive from looting the wreckage of failing economies. All that Russian money is donated to the Tories (and the Republican Party in the US) for a reason. It's from people who got unimaginably rich from the economic collapse of the Soviet Union and want similar opportunities from the collapse of Western economies.
Starmer's approach to electioneering is a breath of political fresh air, it appears that he is measuring and calculating what priorities will be possible due to the current state of our broken economy and how best to help and lift the broken spirit of people across the Country. Far better that he gets all his manifesto ducks in a row before the election. He has obviously learned from the opposition not to dive in promising us all beer and skittles (and popcorn) He is hopefully remembering the five Ps. "Poor Preparation equals P*ss Poor Performance"
Remember that Kinnock was very anti EU until he received a gold plated pension from the EU. In fact, he gets £100000 from the EU every year. Strange that isn't it.
Labour going to renationalise anything ? They going to regulate the market and restrict second home ownership to solve the housing crisis ? They going to strengthen employment and tenant's rights ? They going to tax the rich and clamp down on evasion ? If not, what's the point of voting for them ?
"Without Power" is something Mister Kinnock knows a LOT about @@pickledegg1989 ! Yet as a state owned ROBOT look at how HE was rewarded for 'achieving f all in politics'? Heaven forbid we get a DECENT guy who wants International Law and HUMAN RIGHTS, eh?
@@jeremymanson1781 That was Blair's excuse too and it never happened in the second OR third term. And anyway, haven't Starmer and his cronies been saying that they won't be able to fix anything because there's no money to do so...?
@@thetragicyouth I agree the previous Labour government failed by not properly reforming the HoL. However they didn't pledge to abolish it. This time Labour are talking about replacing the HoL with an elected second chamber. More fool Labour if they bottle out!
I'll call it now, Starmers Labour gets in and oversees the continuation of Thatcherite policies, no change, no progressive policies and they become hated and despised by a disillusioned labour base, and the Tories get straight back in for YEARS!
The House of Lords exists purely for old forkers like Pillock, Major, Welby, and such to waffle on - without inflicting their meanderings on the rest of us - "Well Alright!"
@@wilsonfisk6626every day is a school day. I didn't know that he wasn't in the Lords. I expect that he is happy working for the think tanks and finds them more lucrative.
Why is someone as irrelavent to politics as Kinnock being asked their view? He was the beginning of the end of the Labour Party and as for Keith, he is the end.
First time I've seen Kinnock for about 30 years, hasn't changed one bit in fact looks younger than I remember him. A few years in Brussels obviously hasn't done him any harm!
How can Starmer restrict movement of workforce by hammering them on stealth taxes on their cars while the public transport is shockingly bad, the worst in Europe.
Neil Kinnock 07.02.2024: "[Keir Starmer] is utterly committed to securing the green transition..." Keir Starmer 09.02.2024 drops the £28bn green energy pledge.
Likely outcome: Through tactical voting, Tories will lose majority, but Labour may need to reach a supply and confidence agreement with Lib Dems to form government.
The Lib Dems need to demand PR as a condition of any agreement. Then they will have served their purpose. I think the Tory party could split, with the left joining the Lib Dems and the right defecting to Reform.
I am 70 years of age and have supported the Labour Party since the school days. In spite of the calamitous years under the Tories, this is the first time I shall NOT support Labour. I neither care nor wish to see the odious Starmer and his dreadful acolytes in power. God help us if they ever get there.
its called REALITY - if you KNOW the rescue mission aren't coming (or they are murderous slavering Zombies) you have to FACE that fact, and work out your escape strategy, @@BillDavies-ej6ye The Tories HAVE got in - to Labour! So, how do we play our part in becoming a Functional Democracy again? That is the question
@@dalek604 his Shadow Chancellor brandished Mao's Red Book, and his Shadow Home Secretary said Mao did more good than harm. These are HIS picks to be in cabinet if he won an election
His agenda was as Crazy as Liz Truss's on the right and would have had the same effect on the markets, the idea that they would bend over and give him just under a Trillion on a buy back spree is for the birds@@dalek604
As far as I can see, Harold Wilson, who did become Prime Minister, never went to a public school. Here is the Wikipedia entry on the subject of Harold Wilson's pre-university education : "Wilson won a scholarship to attend Royds Hall Grammar School, his local grammar school (now a comprehensive school) in Huddersfield,Yorkshire.[5] His father, working as an industrial chemist, was made redundant in December 1930, and it took him nearly two years to find work; he moved to Spital, on the Wirral Peninsula, to do so. Wilson continued his education in the Sixth Form at the Wirral Grammar School for Boys, where he became Head Boy ".
Margot Thatcher went to an all-girls grammar school, and John Major went to a grammar school (which turned into a comprehensive school in the late 60s) Jim Callaghan was working class and went to a grammar school (which, since the 70s, has been a comprehensive school) and couldn't afford to go to uni, so he went to the civil service.
Wilson was state educated, he went to Oxford on a local council fund for very bright local pupils. His family could never have afforded Oxford let alone any private education beforehand. Callaghan was very state educated and did not go to university, though he was not a general election winner so slightly different. It is always the hard left that has been dominated by public schoolboys, Benn, Corbyn.
"It aint where you're FROM its where you're AT" - Erik B Corbyn's pretty SOFT left compared to Wilson and many in the 60's and 70's - ever heard of the Overton Window? As our Uniparty politics is Defenestrated right now!
So to summarise. Starmer ISNT a boring, entirely owned, weather vein of a politician who has an INTERESTING relationship with the truth... and is actually brilliant and the Knight of the realm is "working class" Labour have it in the bag and losing the ENTIRE muslim and Left wing vote won't matter a jot and when they get in... expect nothing cos with Labour acting like and being owned by the same people as the Tories... Well.... things can only get better eh!
Not likely as Reeves has already said taxes are already far too high. For me - those earning £40k or less should be paying less tax. However I am very happy for those earning over £150k to pay more.
We already have some of the lowest taxes in Europe, so this idea that "taxes have gone through the roof" is just anti-Labour propaganda straight out of the Mail and Express. It's taxes that pay for public services - cutting taxes in a country full of potholes where no one can find an NHS dentist and our public services are falling apart is utter lunacy.
@@thetragicyouth I agree the overall tax take is not exceptionnal. However the current set up is skewed towards disproportionately taxing low earners. It needs to be rebalanced.
I agree the tax take is disproportionately skewed to the poorest. Half VAT back to what it was in the 70’s and double the top rate to get public services including the NHS and state education, back to what they should be.
Neil Kinnock is only giving his views about The Labour Party and people on here should not be bullying Neil Kinnock because he is a nice person .and The Labour Party need to still be 20 points or 15 points whatever uptill polling day if The Labour Party have any chance of getting back into goverment
Neil Kinnock may have been nicknamed ‘the firy Welsh Wizerd’ back in 1992 but Labour’s manifesto for power was not radical or left wing which is why the Tories won!
It always makes me laugh when they say last 14 years, Cameron came into power with a damaged economic disaster that the Labour Party brought about. Cameron is the reason why as a country, we are not completely bankrupt. I'm not saying he did not make mistakes, but if he continued to borrow to fund the Labour parties policies, we would be in serious trouble. Cameron's mistake was having a brexit vote then jumping ship after the result. If he implemented such a big political change, he should of followed it through. The conservatives took a nose dive following his resignation. Labour will be a disaster.
Labour is now a Londoner party, split into at least 3 or 4 very different factions, all in their own echo chambers, but currently sitting on their hands untill and IF Labour get into power, IF an election win did happen, it will all very quickly unravel , as each faction goes for a power grab of overall control of the labour party and to obviously govern, it will be bloody..... However IMO it will be another hung parliament for me, with possibly Labour having a handfull more seats...and thats on the back of an absolutely shocking Tory Gov`t .
I remember 1992 very well , about a week before the election, I had a strong gut feeling Kinnock's Labour party weren't going to win. This time feels very different, the Tories have failed catastrophically and they're much more divided. Also, Joe public just didn't see Kinnock as Prime Minister material. The public also might view Starmer as boring but he carries an air of being a Prime Minister who would be competent.
Completely agree and my memory is the same. I just had a sense that Labour back then were taking it for granted, even if Neil says that they weren't. As you rightly say also, their opponent (as bad as they seemed at the time) were nothing like as bad as this Tory mob. One thing that does make me slightly nervous however is the press. They helped to undermine the Labour campaign back then and in these fake news times, I worry about the tactics that the Tories will use, as they are so desperate now. Starmer needs to take the gloves off too, if they play that game.
@@brigittapayne6203 "they are a disaster" and what do we have at the moment? Honestly some people deserve the worst, if they can't see what is blindingly obvious.
KINNOCK Now here's a Dude that played the Political Game better than most ? Got the Taxpayers of Britain & then Europe to KEEP him in the Life that He wasn't USED 2 & still drawing down Taxpayers Money. His Son who had a good Teacher doing the same, even married an Ex PM. You'd want to be up early to Spot these DUDES.
It's Labour strategists (including Mandelson) pushing these stories - they are worried that if the election result seems like a foregone conclusion and a huge Labour majority, then there will be no incentive for Labour-voters who hate Starmer to bother to vote. They are also worried about the number of votes they are losing to independent and Green candidates: not enough for independent candidates to win, but enough to ensure that Labour candidates lose.
The media portrays the next general election as a foregone conclusion and Labour might as well collect the keys to No 10 and start measuring the curtains. My feeling is Labour will be the largest party but possibly not with an overall majority or might just have a small majority. Apart from Labour, I would be interested to see if the Muslim vote brings a number of independent MPs and see what happens.
Labour have had a 20+ point lead for well over a year. What makes you think people will vote for a continuation of the disaster of the last fourteen years? I'm truly curious as to your reasons.
@@martinmurphy9679 I've been around long enough to had seen many many elections that never turned out as predicted by the polls although polls are getting much closer to reality these days. What many people say right now to vent their anger may not necessarily translate to the ballot box. I suspect there will be plenty foregoing the ballot box than voting for Labour which is the bulk of my reasoning. Problem with Labour is perception and up to now there isn't any coherent policies that we can digest and ponder over. The strategy of not upsetting the applecart can only go so far but once the real meat is on the bone, well, it will depend.
That would be the ideal outcome - the Tories gone, but Starmer forced to rely on the support of smaller parties who would force Labour to be more radical and less c/Conservative than they currently intend.
Labours already lost control in Newham for that very reason! Its easily forgotten buyt theres still a BIT of functional Democracy - people Do still have to VOTE for you to lead the country - THERE IS HOPE! #StarmerOut
Concentrate on learning to spell and leave the political forecasting to the professionals. When you say, "It will be very unlikely," does that mean that it's not very unlikely at the present time? A full stop goes after the last word of a sentence, not the penultimate word. Your grasp of English grammar is woeful.
@@gio-oz8gfThat's what education under the Tories for fourteen years gives you. They have the hard neck to criticise the Scots for failings in their schools.
I typed it on my phone and you need to get over yourself. It will be very unlikely because they are coming from so few MPs, the electoral boundary changes favour the Tories, the rightwing media hasn't started scrutinising and attacking Labour yet and Keir Starmer is nowhere near as popular as he ought to be at this point in the election cycle. He might make Labour the biggest party if he plays his cards right but chance of a majority let alone a big one is just low.
The most important Neil being honesty Starmer is a liar end of authentic working class, not if he's taking money from business he's committed to nothing he can't back out of
I wish Sir Starmer was proper working class. Not excepting the title would of convinced me. He couldn't turn it down though, too honourable (like the sex offender Andy Windsor?)
Kinnock must get flashbacks to 1992. If the ekectorate had been sensible then britain would not have had the chaos we have today. A kinnock victory would have knocked out the loony Right altogether, never to recover. But the electorate never vote sensibly but only in their own self interest.
The thing is Neil got the leadership too soon,he would have won easily in 1997as Blair did,just as Haigue did the same thing with the Tories being leader too soon,oot
Life-long labour - but believe we need a competent, honest opposition if we stay a proper democracy. We, and I mean the world we are all connected to, are in the most difficult crises' for a long time. I do not see a fair way ahead. Hoping for a Labour government, and that "The Left" does not pull the usual self-destruct, our starry-eyed idealists too often do. (I know - I was one, and it is our more appealing aspect... but think!) Please, there are no simple, quick, answers to difficult problems - which we do, and will continue, to face in 2024/5/6
"there are no simple, quick, answers to difficult problems" - all the more reason we should avoid proven liars; 2+2=5 Politics benefit NO-one - save the ULTRA-rich! Interesting you call the Chicken Coup Plotters, the Labour right "starry eyed idealists" for pushing the self destruct button LAST time - not quite the term i'd use, but hey..
So Kinnock thinks the public will grow to trust Starmer and find him dependable? Is he talking about the same Starmer that has already reneged on every single pledge he made to become party leader? The fact is, he’s managed to lose the trust of traditional labour voters before he’s even got into power.
The interests of the red wall, traditional working class, blairites, EU pant sniffers, Islam, militant trade unionists and blokes in dresses who want to use the ladies bogs are too mutually exclusive to be satisfied by one party.
That middle aged gammon Sir Rodney "Beer" Starmer will not be able to keep all these plates spinning.
Exactly this. Starmer is dishonest and duplicitous, and he has shifted Labour not to the centre, but to the centre-right. He simply does not deserve the support of progressive voters.
You'd trust Clown Corbyn?
But he and Raynor know how to bend the knee.
Left wing headbangers and cranks, maybe, but not ‘traditional Labour voters’, no.
After Blair I don’t think labour as a chance and neo-Latin kinnock made his family rich in Europe
Many people voting in 2024 weren't even born when Blair became PM. Many voters don't even remember New Labour.
...And details of Kinnock's career is irrelevant in the context of the next election.
Have you not seen any of the polling? They are up by like 25 points since the conservatives are collapsing
Rochdale at the end of the month will tell us what is going to happen
I hope everyone will vote George .❤
@@samanthagarbettcharles4205 Why he's not a real socialist he's an Islamist Antisemite
George is no socialist he's an Islamist Antisemite like much of today's left, I did quite like him until recently.
How are the grooming gangs doing in Rochdale these days?
@@ruthbashford3176 how about the elites grooming gangs ran by cia and mosaad I which Epstein got caught and then mysteriously killed under very strange circumstances better to look at that first
Red or Blue, they’ll be no change in the usual Thatcherite policies, that has been perpetuated by successive governments since 1979.
I hated Thatcher and the Tories but I wish she was back now
@@ruthbashford3176 I agree with the first part.👍
It may have been Thatcherism that put us in this mess in the first place, but The Tories abandoned Thatcherism a long time ago. David Cameron was probably the last Thatcherite prime minister, and I doubt even he really believed that Thatcherite policies could bring economic prosperity anymore.
Thatcher would never for one second have entertained the idea of Brexit, let alone a hard one. She would also never have allowed such levels of open corruption. The current Tories are worse than Thatcherites. They work in the interests of oligarchs who thrive from looting the wreckage of failing economies. All that Russian money is donated to the Tories (and the Republican Party in the US) for a reason. It's from people who got unimaginably rich from the economic collapse of the Soviet Union and want similar opportunities from the collapse of Western economies.
@@harveybrant3352 I thought Thatcher said that Tony Blair was her heir apparent.
She certainly regarded him as her greatest achievement.
When did Kinnock ever get anything right ? ..
when he fell into the sea on camera
He got on the European gravy train
When he went to the barbers?
when he appeared live on spitting image
Don't be young, don't be be old, don't be sick, don't be poor Under Thatcher he got that 100% right .
Starmer stands for getting power and whatever he has to say to get there not for anything as he’s changed his position on so many things!
He's extremely pragmatic
Starmer's approach to electioneering is a breath of political fresh air, it appears that he is measuring and calculating what priorities will be possible due to the current state of our broken economy and how best to help and lift the broken spirit of people across the Country. Far better that he gets all his manifesto ducks in a row before the election. He has obviously learned from the opposition not to dive in promising us all beer and skittles (and popcorn) He is hopefully remembering the five Ps. "Poor Preparation equals P*ss Poor Performance"
But his strategy is all over the place. Continuously changing your position on so many issues will only repel voters.
Heaven forbid a Labour head of the opposition should want to get into power.
Spoken like a true UK Billionaire Media owner@@jamesgriffithsmusic
Starmer "honesty" hahahahaha
Prefer the Tories who are well known for it eh?
I would suggest it is certainly true to say that the Conservative defeat won't be anywhere near as bad as people have been lead to believe it will be.
I think you're right. Labour have alienated quite a few special interest groups plus voter ID will reduce turnout overall.
@@kyers9817 Yes it will reduce the turn out of those not eligible to vote, which is a good thing.
@@thegrandmuftiofwakanda 😂😂that as well
Starmer should listen to this interview. Neil is an expert on how to lose general elections.
Remember that Kinnock was very anti EU until he received a gold plated pension from the EU. In fact, he gets £100000 from the EU every year. Strange that isn't it.
So does Farage
@@mattbooth307 The difference is Farage stopped any future British politician from doing the same. Kinnock did nothing.
@@Zooumberg I know. I don't mind Kinnock getting an EU pension but I honestly think Farage should've been stripped of his.
That's not correct.
Peas in a Pod @@mattbooth307 !
Labour going to renationalise anything ? They going to regulate the market and restrict second home ownership to solve the housing crisis ? They going to strengthen employment and tenant's rights ? They going to tax the rich and clamp down on evasion ? If not, what's the point of voting for them ?
Flags...
Lotsa.. Lovely.. Flagsssss!!!
He'll even GET AR KUNTERY BACK!
Tend to agree with Tony Benn's take on Kinnock - that he gave up on all he ever believed in just to try and gain power.
Without power, you achieve F all in politics. Starmer is right to appeal to people outside labour's core vote.
"Without Power" is something Mister Kinnock knows a LOT about @@pickledegg1989 !
Yet as a state owned ROBOT look at how HE was rewarded for 'achieving f all in politics'?
Heaven forbid we get a DECENT guy who wants International Law and HUMAN RIGHTS, eh?
@@pickledegg1989labour gave up on their core voters years ago.
Their core vote have no one ....but Labour. It is the middle ground who are disappointed by the Tories.
So despite tory failure he still has doubts, that shows how useless labour are.
Abolish The House of Lords , and retire this windbag.
I hope Labour do that in their second term. Too much urgent repair work to do in the first term.
@@jeremymanson1781 That was Blair's excuse too and it never happened in the second OR third term. And anyway, haven't Starmer and his cronies been saying that they won't be able to fix anything because there's no money to do so...?
@@thetragicyouth I agree the previous Labour government failed by not properly reforming the HoL. However they didn't pledge to abolish it. This time Labour are talking about replacing the HoL with an elected second chamber. More fool Labour if they bottle out!
The Welsh Windbag who lost twice is in no position to lecture anyone!
He’s awful but he’s right on this.
God, I still remember Neil’s ‘Well aww-right’’ moment in ‘92. You knew it was gone for Labour at that point.
The King of Fail ladies and gentlemen.
I’ll take boring after this last lot any day of the week. Everyone thought oh Johnson he’s funny , a clown a laugh. Well here we are.
You're not going to get boring. You're going to get a traitor and council estate thickos.
Your,ll be voting for the same as what we have ,Starmer is Tory.
Starmer stands for Torries and Genoside .He,s a fake and a traitor
@@samanthagarbettcharles4205 To put it more accurately; Gunga Din and Rodney Starmer are both Blairites.
@@samanthagarbettcharles4205 I wonder if he stands for literacy.
I'll call it now, Starmers Labour gets in and oversees the continuation of Thatcherite policies, no change, no progressive policies and they become hated and despised by a disillusioned labour base, and the Tories get straight back in for YEARS!
Basically it's Going to be a Hung Parliament 😷
Ron Jeremy's in the running
What a humbug. No wonder the great Tony Benn compered him to processed cheese.
The House of Lords exists purely for old forkers like Pillock, Major, Welby, and such to waffle on - without inflicting their meanderings on the rest of us - "Well Alright!"
John Major isn't a Lord.
@@wilsonfisk6626every day is a school day.
I didn't know that he wasn't in the Lords.
I expect that he is happy working for the think tanks and finds them more lucrative.
@@NPC-st7zv sounds more like Blair.
@@wilsonfisk6626 just what I thought when I read that he does charity and think tanks.
Why is someone as irrelavent to politics as Kinnock being asked their view? He was the beginning of the end of the Labour Party and as for Keith, he is the end.
'We're gonna win !!! We're alright !!' Coming back to haunt him !😁✌
First time I've seen Kinnock for about 30 years, hasn't changed one bit in fact looks younger than I remember him. A few years in Brussels obviously hasn't done him any harm!
Or his bank balance. Or his wife's. Or his son's.
It would be helpful If I knew what Starmer actually stood for.
Thats Easy...
THE NATIONAL ANTHEM!
"God save the Ki-i-ing,
he aint down a thi-i-ing"
No policies, no BRAIN.. But all those lovely FLAGS...
How can Starmer restrict movement of workforce by hammering them on stealth taxes on their cars while the public transport is shockingly bad, the worst in Europe.
Harold Wilson went to Wirral grammar school not a private school. I wish politicians would get their facts right
Neil Kinnock 07.02.2024: "[Keir Starmer] is utterly committed to securing the green transition..." Keir Starmer 09.02.2024 drops the £28bn green energy pledge.
Listen to this EU Gravy Train merchant,
Things needs to change or we will be stuck in this forever
Worst (and longest) Political Party broadcast I’ve ever heard.
labour is what i normally vote for but i don't see the difference to them & cons i will be voting reform what this country needs
If you want a preview of what a Labour Government will be like, go look at Wales
Westminster has cut off funding to Wales and all the Labour councils around the country. Why are tories so duplicitous?
Likely outcome: Through tactical voting, Tories will lose majority, but Labour may need to reach a supply and confidence agreement with Lib Dems to form government.
The Lib Dems need to demand PR as a condition of any agreement. Then they will have served their purpose. I think the Tory party could split, with the left joining the Lib Dems and the right defecting to Reform.
I am 70 years of age and have supported the Labour Party since the school days. In spite of the calamitous years under the Tories, this is the first time I shall NOT support Labour. I neither care nor wish to see the odious Starmer and his dreadful acolytes in power. God help us if they ever get there.
And who helps us if the Tories get in again? Would you be happy about playing your part in that?
@@BillDavies-ej6ye Tory voters lack any empathy, until it effects them.
its called REALITY - if you KNOW the rescue mission aren't coming (or they are murderous slavering Zombies) you have to FACE that fact, and work out your escape strategy, @@BillDavies-ej6ye
The Tories HAVE got in - to Labour! So, how do we play our part in becoming a Functional Democracy again? That is the question
BLESS YOU SIR!!!
Don't be young, don't be be old, don't be sick, don't be poor that was his best speech.
He is right to doubt, Starmar has made it really difficult to vote for Labour, he's decided to jion the establishment something J.C would never do.
That's why they had to take him down. Starmer will maintain the status quo and hand it back to Tories. We are stuffed.
It would help if the Labour leader wasn't basically just a conservative under another name.
It's certainly an improvement on the last leader who was a communist under another name .
@@jonnobloggs8642is Scandinavia communist?
@@dalek604 his Shadow Chancellor brandished Mao's Red Book, and his Shadow Home Secretary said Mao did more good than harm. These are HIS picks to be in cabinet if he won an election
His agenda was as Crazy as Liz Truss's on the right and would have had the same effect on the markets, the idea that they would bend over and give him just under a Trillion on a buy back spree is for the birds@@dalek604
The problem is it is the only way labour have a chance of winning a general election
Starmer is a non starter.
As far as I can see, Harold Wilson, who did become Prime Minister, never went to a public school. Here is the Wikipedia entry on the subject of Harold Wilson's pre-university education : "Wilson won a scholarship to attend Royds Hall Grammar School, his local grammar school (now a comprehensive school) in Huddersfield,Yorkshire.[5] His father, working as an industrial chemist, was made redundant in December 1930, and it took him nearly two years to find work; he moved to Spital, on the Wirral Peninsula, to do so. Wilson continued his education in the Sixth Form at the Wirral Grammar School for Boys, where he became Head Boy
".
aye he was head boy alright
Margot Thatcher went to an all-girls grammar school, and John Major went to a grammar school (which turned into a comprehensive school in the late 60s)
Jim Callaghan was working class and went to a grammar school (which, since the 70s, has been a comprehensive school) and couldn't afford to go to uni, so he went to the civil service.
Wilson was state educated, he went to Oxford on a local council fund for very bright local pupils. His family could never have afforded Oxford let alone any private education beforehand. Callaghan was very state educated and did not go to university, though he was not a general election winner so slightly different.
It is always the hard left that has been dominated by public schoolboys, Benn, Corbyn.
Enjoy Tory Lite
and Michael ' working class ' Meacher. who lost a libel case to The Observer newspaper who claimed he was not working class.
"It aint where you're FROM its where you're AT" - Erik B
Corbyn's pretty SOFT left compared to Wilson and many in the 60's and 70's - ever heard of the Overton Window?
As our Uniparty politics is Defenestrated right now!
What? Starmer the first Labour PM who didn't go to public school? What about Harold Wilson, Jim Callaghan for example?
Vote Reform, the only non-socialist option with policies that benefit the British people.
Like brexit? That's going well isn't it? All those benefits.
Privatised insurance based NHS? No thanks.
Give us a break. One right wing freak show is enough thank you very much.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
As they said about Kinnock . Does Starmer have the Gravitas to be Prime Minister ??
No.
@@stevehowell231 Agree 100%
So to summarise. Starmer ISNT a boring, entirely owned, weather vein of a politician who has an INTERESTING relationship with the truth... and is actually brilliant and the Knight of the realm is "working class" Labour have it in the bag and losing the ENTIRE muslim and Left wing vote won't matter a jot and when they get in... expect nothing cos with Labour acting like and being owned by the same people as the Tories... Well.... things can only get better eh!
"Yes.. YES!
I BELIEVE it, and..
I WANT TO BOIL MY HEAD AGAIN!!!" - Steve Bell - 'If'
Starmer needs to organise a victory celebration in Sheffield for the night of the election - worked for Kinnock eh ? ha ha ha .
Starmer has a 20% lead . Kinnock was less than 2% …..
A three-time loser telling the Labour Party how to manifest itself, comedy gold! 😆😆
The Corbin bashing is upsetting and distasteful.
And surprising considering he suffered at the hands of the media as did J.C
- and based on dishonesty. Everyone should read the Forde Report.
Valid . JC is a terrible human
How so @@markwallwork8017 ?
Use the word "boring", you know who else was described as boring, Attlee.
For the first time, I hope Kingcrock is correct!!!
Sadly the Tories have been bad, but you can bet your shirt on Labour being much worse. Taxes will go through the roof
Not likely as Reeves has already said taxes are already far too high.
For me - those earning £40k or less should be paying less tax.
However I am very happy for those earning over £150k to pay more.
We already have some of the lowest taxes in Europe, so this idea that "taxes have gone through the roof" is just anti-Labour propaganda straight out of the Mail and Express. It's taxes that pay for public services - cutting taxes in a country full of potholes where no one can find an NHS dentist and our public services are falling apart is utter lunacy.
@@thetragicyouth I agree the overall tax take is not exceptionnal. However the current set up is skewed towards disproportionately taxing low earners. It needs to be rebalanced.
I agree the tax take is disproportionately skewed to the poorest. Half VAT back to what it was in the 70’s and double the top rate to get public services including the NHS and state education, back to what they should be.
Kinnock... proved himself a liar & hypocrite & an utter failure in politics. Let's hear his 'wisdom'... 🙄
Digital ids starmer. I dont think so. Tell your mate Blair to stick it.
Blair looks more like 👹 every day
Don't you want a clamp down on illegal immigration or ID to vote?
Neil Kinnock is only giving his views about The Labour Party and people on here should not be bullying Neil Kinnock because he is a nice person .and The Labour Party need to still be 20 points or 15 points whatever uptill polling day if The Labour Party have any chance of getting back into goverment
100%
Thatcher was lucky to have him as an opponent
@@julianshepherd2038 yes she was
@@julianshepherd2038 Major even more so. Kinnock flying around the country in a helicopter while Major got on his soap box and took on the hecklers.
@@julianshepherd2038Thatcher could have hand picked her opponents: Foot, Galtieri, Scargill, Kinnock.
My goodness, this hasn't aged well with Starmers green revolution loved by Kinnock.
It looks like Starmar has dropped his green pledges.
I shook hands with Neil in Newcastle wonderfull man
Yes Starmer could suffer the Kinnock Factor.
No way 20% lead for 2 years against kinnock with a 2% lead in the run up to
The 92 election
Labour would get my vote if they abandoned their identity politics and wokery. If not, its Reform or SDP for me.
Starmer is not remotely interested in wokery etc..
Really? How come he doesn't know what a women is then? etc.@@jeremymanson1781
But he's not a complete screaming UNAPOLOGETIC Bigot is what @ellenoneill7853 means,
I’m glad nobody recorded what I was saying in 1992.
I remember. Tony Blair
I am disappointed but I can not vote for NEW LABOUR
Kinnock...a first class 'shirt front' of a man.
Neil Kinnock may have been nicknamed ‘the firy Welsh Wizerd’ back in 1992 but Labour’s manifesto for power was not radical or left wing which is why the Tories won!
Never heard him called anything like that. Pompous wind bag, yes.
It always makes me laugh when they say last 14 years, Cameron came into power with a damaged economic disaster that the Labour Party brought about. Cameron is the reason why as a country, we are not completely bankrupt. I'm not saying he did not make mistakes, but if he continued to borrow to fund the Labour parties policies, we would be in serious trouble. Cameron's mistake was having a brexit vote then jumping ship after the result. If he implemented such a big political change, he should of followed it through. The conservatives took a nose dive following his resignation. Labour will be a disaster.
Labour is now a Londoner party, split into at least 3 or 4 very different factions, all in their own echo chambers, but currently sitting on their hands untill and IF Labour get into power, IF an election win did happen, it will all very quickly unravel , as each faction goes for a power grab of overall control of the labour party and to obviously govern, it will be bloody..... However IMO it will be another hung parliament for me, with possibly Labour having a handfull more seats...and thats on the back of an absolutely shocking Tory Gov`t .
Starmer? Trilateral commission starmer? 😂
I remember 1992 very well , about a week before the election, I had a strong gut feeling Kinnock's Labour party weren't going to win. This time feels very different, the Tories have failed catastrophically and they're much more divided. Also, Joe public just didn't see Kinnock as Prime Minister material. The public also might view Starmer as boring but he carries an air of being a Prime Minister who would be competent.
Completely agree and my memory is the same. I just had a sense that Labour back then were taking it for granted, even if Neil says that they weren't. As you rightly say also, their opponent (as bad as they seemed at the time) were nothing like as bad as this Tory mob. One thing that does make me slightly nervous however is the press. They helped to undermine the Labour campaign back then and in these fake news times, I worry about the tactics that the Tories will use, as they are so desperate now. Starmer needs to take the gloves off too, if they play that game.
Totally disagree, Stormer is even worse than Knock. Also Starmer look at propounded Labour Cabinet , they are a disaster.
@@brigittapayne6203 "they are a disaster" and what do we have at the moment? Honestly some people deserve the worst, if they can't see what is blindingly obvious.
I so hope you are correct. This current lot are a shambles. Fingers crossed.
Brig labour cabinet virtually unchanged Tory cabinet 47 people filling the top 8 posts last 4 years !!! Says it all
Kinnock is the worst PM we never had
As have the electorate beyond the MSM opinion.
KINNOCK
Now here's a Dude that played the Political Game better than most ?
Got the Taxpayers of Britain & then Europe to KEEP him in the Life that He wasn't USED 2 & still drawing down Taxpayers Money.
His Son who had a good Teacher doing the same, even married an Ex PM.
You'd want to be up early to Spot these DUDES.
Easiest potential election victory in the history of UK politics and he’s trying his best to lose it
The Times consistently pushing negative stories about Labour?! Who'da thunk it?!
It's Labour strategists (including Mandelson) pushing these stories - they are worried that if the election result seems like a foregone conclusion and a huge Labour majority, then there will be no incentive for Labour-voters who hate Starmer to bother to vote. They are also worried about the number of votes they are losing to independent and Green candidates: not enough for independent candidates to win, but enough to ensure that Labour candidates lose.
Oh wow - thanks for that @@thetragicyouth
THERE IS HOPE
Keep fighting folks - the beast is DYING!
Neil needs to stand closer to the razor.
Can someone tell me the difference between this guy and Tony Blair?
Less money
@petegaslondon Haha! Good observation.
There is no doubt kinnock. Starmer’s red tories are not going to win a majority
The UK would have been better under Neil's government
Kinnochio rides again!
He knows about loosing
Losing.
Both ;) @@moomin7461
Loosing the dogs of Neoliberalism
They'll be no chance Kinnock and his wife visiting a Dover beach waving in the illegal migrates.
No mate ... We're.......
Alright !
the welsh windbag..,.
The media portrays the next general election as a foregone conclusion and Labour might as well collect the keys to No 10 and start measuring the curtains. My feeling is Labour will be the largest party but possibly not with an overall majority or might just have a small majority. Apart from Labour, I would be interested to see if the Muslim vote brings a number of independent MPs and see what happens.
Labour have had a 20+ point lead for well over a year. What makes you think people will vote for a continuation of the disaster of the last fourteen years? I'm truly curious as to your reasons.
@@martinmurphy9679 I've been around long enough to had seen many many elections that never turned out as predicted by the polls although polls are getting much closer to reality these days. What many people say right now to vent their anger may not necessarily translate to the ballot box. I suspect there will be plenty foregoing the ballot box than voting for Labour which is the bulk of my reasoning. Problem with Labour is perception and up to now there isn't any coherent policies that we can digest and ponder over. The strategy of not upsetting the applecart can only go so far but once the real meat is on the bone, well, it will depend.
That would be the ideal outcome - the Tories gone, but Starmer forced to rely on the support of smaller parties who would force Labour to be more radical and less c/Conservative than they currently intend.
Labours already lost control in Newham for that very reason!
Its easily forgotten buyt theres still a BIT of functional Democracy - people Do still have to VOTE for you to lead the country - THERE IS HOPE!
#StarmerOut
jim callaghan, went to a public school?
This guy has been wrong on every major political issue I can remember. Why do these failures, like heseltine and Kinnock get the oxygen of publicity?
HOPEFULLY THEY WILL VOTE IN A REAL GUY FROM Pakistan WHO CAN REPRESENT ALL THE MUSLIMS OF ROCHDALE..........GEORGE GALLOWAY !
Nk is controlled opposition
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he's right - it will be very unlikly for labour to get.majority
Concentrate on learning to spell and leave the political forecasting to the professionals. When you say, "It will be very unlikely," does that mean that it's not very unlikely at the present time? A full stop goes after the last word of a sentence, not the penultimate word. Your grasp of English grammar is woeful.
@@gio-oz8gfThat's what education under the Tories for fourteen years gives you. They have the hard neck to criticise the Scots for failings in their schools.
I typed it on my phone and you need to get over yourself. It will be very unlikely because they are coming from so few MPs, the electoral boundary changes favour the Tories, the rightwing media hasn't started scrutinising and attacking Labour yet and Keir Starmer is nowhere near as popular as he ought to be at this point in the election cycle. He might make Labour the biggest party if he plays his cards right but chance of a majority let alone a big one is just low.
Kinnock is worried because it's not a true 20 point lead .. just media hype !!
Forget the name on the microphone. Incurable Beeboid interviews fellow Labour supporter.
The most important Neil being honesty Starmer is a liar end of authentic working class, not if he's taking money from business he's committed to nothing he can't back out of
Is he still arrive??
What a pathetic non-interview of a leading politician
Leading???
Has Corbyn come on? ;)
I wish Sir Starmer was proper working class. Not excepting the title would of convinced me. He couldn't turn it down though, too honourable (like the sex offender Andy Windsor?)
Kinnock must get flashbacks to 1992. If the ekectorate had been sensible then britain would not have had the chaos we have today. A kinnock victory would have knocked out the loony Right altogether, never to recover.
But the electorate never vote sensibly but only in their own self interest.
You mean, not like you would want them to.
😂
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= 'Our Democracy would be WONDERFUL..
If it weren't for all those VOTERS!'
The thing is Neil got the leadership too soon,he would have won easily in 1997as Blair did,just as Haigue did the same thing with the Tories being leader too soon,oot
Life-long labour - but believe we need a competent, honest opposition if we stay a proper democracy. We, and I mean the world we are all connected to, are in the most difficult crises' for a long time. I do not see a fair way ahead.
Hoping for a Labour government, and that "The Left" does not pull the usual self-destruct, our starry-eyed idealists too often do.
(I know - I was one, and it is our more appealing aspect... but think!)
Please, there are no simple, quick, answers to difficult problems - which we do, and will continue, to face in 2024/5/6
Don't worry, the Left have all gone. Labour is a Tory tribute act. Enjoy.
We don't have an honest opposition though. Starmer and his cronies are as dishonest as any Tory - and their politics are as rightwing as any Tory.
"there are no simple, quick, answers to difficult problems" - all the more reason we should avoid proven liars; 2+2=5 Politics benefit NO-one - save the ULTRA-rich!
Interesting you call the Chicken Coup Plotters, the Labour right "starry eyed idealists" for pushing the self destruct button LAST time - not quite the term i'd use, but hey..
From what i am hearing people know the tories and labour are a lost cause . They dont know about reform so are giving them their vote