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Tories should ‘merge ideas’ with Reform to ‘unite the centre right’ after election loss
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
- “There was a covert Lib-Lab alliance which resulted in the Liberal Democrats getting a disproportionately large number of seats compared with the popular vote.”
Conservatives don’t “need to panic” about the Liberal Democrats but should ensure that the centre right is united and merge ideas with Reform, says Tory MP Christopher Chope.
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absolutely clueless about why wwe hate them so much
Why don't they pay people to join ? Starting at about £1000. Payable in Rubles if required.
@@garyfraserlewis Ooh. Miaow Pussycats 🙀 🙊
Quite! 😉 😉
Reform are far from centre right. The Tories need to make a clear distinction between themselves and reform to cement all those who previously voted Tory but this time round voted Labour.
How does bringing in far-right votes unite the centre-right??
Far Right 😂😂😂 the Left are obsessed with it.
@@davidpalmer2285 I’m not on the left, but thanks for your thoughts
Far Right? Why exactly?
@@davidpalmer2285 If you've normalised your racism, then you'll be unable to recognise your own rhetoric and views as extreme. By being bigoted, misogynistic, racist, xenophobic, politically illiterate, anti-intellectual, authoritarian and holding jingoistic/nationalistic sentiments, then you show traits of belonging to the far-right.
Between 1939 and 1945, the entire West and it's colonies were obsessed with crushing the far-right. So, this obsession you talk about may actually hold some ground, especially when Falange Farage uses the same anti-immigrant propaganda and rhetoric as the Nazis.
Madness utter madness...
Reform aren't any where near the "centre right", neither are the current brand of Tories. They are both on the far right, bojo removed any centre right individuals from the party
How far right does one need to be to believe Reform and the current iteration of the Tories are "center right"?
There immigration policys are like the old Socialist workers party.lol.
There was no covert agreement between Labour & the Lib Dems.
The Lib Dems took more votes from the Tories than Reform did.
Tactical voting is a right of UK electorate.
He's just so annoyed that people cottoned on to the best way to get rid of him and his party.
No! Reform can do very well without lumbering itself with a basket case.
Both parties are basket cases... one of them isn't even a political party with grassroot membership or branch offices. Be interesting to see how that pans out considering Farage is not really interested in anything other than grifting off the back of people's fears and prejudices.
Basket case, might be what reform becomes when Nig, gets bored & leaves.
Centre right lol
Both Braverman and Badenoch are flogging a dead horse. The Tories are finished.
@@delfine7163 I don't agree with this. If Farage was to join the Conservatives tomorrow, and was elected their leader, then he would be flogging the dame dead horse. The Conservative parliamentarians still in the House of Commons are spineless liberals.
@@delfine7163 This is a funny comment,. though I think folk may read your comment and think it is a serious comment, rather than simply being satire.
"We are humbled and we must act contrite!" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Cruella, Truss and Bad-Enoch are off to a flyer on _that_ one.
It's one thing to "act" contritely, it's a totally _different_ thing to actual _mean_ it.
They don't and they never will. They don't _care_ what we think!
I'm glad you also picked up on "act contrite" Being a Tory must be to present an image but simply do what is good for them and the party rather than serving the public.
What utter nonsense.
Those that want to join Reform should do so. Other Tories can then move back to the centre where they were before the ERG took over.
Merge with reform and watch the Lib Dems thrive. There are a lot of moderate Tories out there that want nothing to do with the far right of the party, but would never support Labour
Lol
@fentonwinmill REFORM would lose voters if they merged with the Tories we hate them,
Why are we pretending they are centre right?
How can a ship sink any further lool
Why is Times Radio still bothering to talk to failed Tories? They're irrelevant.
Reform are not centre right. They are far right.
But I have been told many times that the Tories are far Right by people on the Left!
No Reform are centre right the old NF were far right.
@@davidpalmer2285 Sadly, the Tories have drifted further and further from the centre by chasing Reform votes. It's the reason they lost the election - elections are won from the centre. Labour lost the last election because they went too far to the left. Now the Tories have made the same mistake by going too far right. The Tories have spent 14 years putting party before country.
they will keep running with it until people see far right as a good thing
How do you work that out?
Farage is centre right, really??
Explain what is FR about them or are you on the BS payroll to flood these comments with complete tosh?
The center right? Are you sure you meant center? Because that's not what you're describing.
_Center?!_ You're obviously not British.
Unlikely a merger will happen.
No way would I vote for Tory ever again, they cannot be trusted. They get your vote then ignore you and call you racist.
since when we're reform centre right? desperate tosh.
Political suicide.
The Tories have brought themselves down. It will be interesting to see if they can rise again. 🤔
If Reform merge with the conservatives,I’m done with voting forever.
Reform can become the LibDems of the right. No need to merge, but stand down seats for each other or at least give people the opportunity to vote tactically. In the seats where Conservatives are more likely to beat Labour, they should campaign, but they should leave alone those where Refirm is more likely to win
Reform is now 'Centre right' !!!!!
"Our Job Is To Rebuild Quickly And Effectively." That's The Problem. You Can Rebuild Quickly And Ineffectively Or Rebuild Slowly And Effectively. The Choice Is Yours
Labour move to the Centre and win in a landslide, tories think the solution to this is to move further to the right.......go ahead that only means a 2nd labour term in govenment
Reform are a limited company with Farage & Tice calling shots. They have no internal democracy and crumble under any scrutiny. Sure an ideal partner for the tories.
NEVER! LET THE TORIES STEW!!!
lets all join the tories and vote for the worst possible candidate then leave
Neither the Tories nor Reform are “centre right”. Combining them would create a far-right party and officially cede the center to others.
Half price membership...they act like it's a marketing flaw that the Tories tanked instead of their policies that stunk upto high heaven
Hardly think reform are centre right
Too bad, you need to get an education then.
@@maccagrabme I'm guessing you're still at school good luck when you get to secondary school hope history is one of your subjects
@@davesandall4530 No i'm not even born yet.
This seems to miss the whole point of why the Tories lost so convincingly. In the eyes of many the party ceased to be a Conservative Party by abandoning even centre right policies. Farage, Reform and indeed their voters don’t want to be associated with what the current so called Tory party is.
"we must act contrite" no idea that they need to be contrite it's all still just an act...
Yeah I picked up on that too. A little slip that revealed everything.
These Tories just don't get it! They really are living in Narnia.. And some in Gilead.
If the Tories merge with Reform they would be restricting their appeal to a subset of Tory voters and a small subset of Labour voters. The only reason the Tory and Labour parties are major parties is because they're both broad churches and can have mass public appeal. It's unlikely that Reform will ever have mass public appeal. Moving the Tory party to the hard right, would be a major mistake , and deter the one-nation Tories from voting Tory.
Centre right? Is this bell end finishing off the last of his free coke?
The Tories smeared Reform UK 🇬🇧 during the general election 😅
I absolutely rejoice that there are still people like Chope in positions of influence in the Cons Party! He is so clearly out of touch and in denial it gladdens my ❤. Long may the concept of positive tactical voting ( not illicit in any way) elude him. Roll on cut price Tory party membership - I'll certainly be voting for a RWNJ !
I can save the Tories a load time trying to work out why they lost the election - its all down to B&B - Brexit and Boris 😂
Yet they're convinced that they need more of both!
fraud and trashing the country like its a rusty blue allegro
CENTRE right??? Sure.
The reality is that for the first time in 🇬🇧 history, the right-wing vote was fragmented, so the Tories have the dilemma on how to build a governing coalition. Take a turn to the centre or move towards more popular positions among the right-wing electorate. The answer is: to do both.
Simply, just rejecting Reform and battling it out with Lib Dems in the Southeast isn't gonna get them to 326, the notion that moderate Tories will leave to the Liberal Democrats but core conservatives will remain no matter the ideological alignment and policy positions of the party is false.
The Tories have to adopt a mixture of hard-right and centrist policies ranging from issue to issue.
The no.1 issue for core Conservatives/Red Wall voters is immigration, so clearly, the Party has to be hardline on that issue.
While for the Moderates, the no.1 issue is effective governance, which equals proper-functioning public service, a common-sense tax code, and partner-like relations with the 🇪🇺.
So far, so good, these positions are fairly popular and the Tories will no electoral pushback.
The tricky issue is the scale of government intervention in the economy.
On the one hand, you have the socially liberal/fiscally conservative faction of the party (potential Lib Dem voters)that want the minimal possible intervention and on the other, the socially conservative/fiscally liberal faction of the party.(potential Reform voters) that would love a bit of economic protectionism and libertarianism.
The former is a larger parliamentary force, with the latter being a larger force in society .
The Conservatives have to integrate both Social Conservatives and Fiscal Conservatives into one party if they want to win a general election again. If they have only fiscal conservatives, they become Lib Dems and having only social Conservatives they become Reform.😊
Go for it, the Tories will be out of power for a lot longer if they do
The liberal MSM Overton window faces a different direction to that of the population.
The deniers on brixit the economic crisis and debts, NHS, social care, local government,a party that govern for the country a proper job.
Welsh Assembly?? This title became obsolete in 2020. Surely he meant the Senedd or Welsh Parliament.
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Sorry what? Umm ’centre’ right!??? I don’t think so. Try ‘Far right’
Form a racist Voltron?
Is a Excelent Decision.
Not even an "excellent" decision. Reform doesn't need the washed out Tories!
Not one person in a thousand can provide a reasonable definition of the term, "Far Right".
@@phillipmiller1247 all they need is a Google search, it's not that hard
@@phillipmiller1247 I can
The Tories were punished for incompetence. Reform would only make that problem worse.
Reform is not centre right but far right. There should not be much commonality between reform and the Tories
You are talking utter sh1te.
Without the immigrant vote, Tories emergence with Reform will head down the bog hole ( simply because Reform leaders have this natural ability to attract RACISTS like S---T attracts flies )
A spare room Micheal let me in
british voters have consistently voted for centre and soft left and soft right. Taking the tory party to the far right will make then unelectable. Party needs to move to the centre.
We have had far left since 1997 the country is wrecked, we need true right wing policys.
I assume that is meant to be a joke
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