Was a neighbor of mine in the ‘aughts in the West Village and the above words couldn’t be closer to the truth. Quiet and intense but always present and sensitive to those around him. Engaging and sensitive. Watching the way he chatted with people on the street or the servers and patrons at the places he ate (and, sadly, drank) just a real gentlemen. Great loss.
This is probably the most heartbreaking overdose death to me. Literally no one saw it coming and he was just so nice. I met him back in 2008 and I was so touched by his kind words and humble spirit
lol i find it surprising how much people freaked out about him dying. literally no one said anything about him while he was alive. really sad we can't appreciate people while theyre still alive....
One of the best brilliant actors that never disappointed me in his films... I wish he knew how many fans loved his performance. He deserved the Oscar for Capote, but he should have also won for playing the Priest in Doubt.
He had such a gift ...amazing I go back and watch everything he was in . I recently watched the movie when Ethan Hawk played his brother. My apologies I forgot the name .🙂
It is too bad he died from drugs and did not resist them. It is the downfall of so many and he was such a good actor. Doubt and Capote were some of his best. Hope his kids are doing well, as well as his wife.
@@pattyoneill6724 wow u sound very judgemental...what difference does it maked weather he died from drugs or heart disease???? Addiction is the same thing -
I have seen many interviews with Capote. If I wasn't told differently, I could easily believe I was watching Capote, not Hoffman. Hoffman was that great an actor.
Hoffman was one of my favorite actors. And his death still bothers me. I know he was sober for a long time. It’s just sad because I believe he was a good guy and had so much to give the world. He’s really missed 🙏❤️
Philip Seymour Hoffman is still my favorite actor. I'll forever be heartbroken by his passing. I believe he still would've given us so many more incredible performances. He was a terrific, genuine performer.
This is an all time great performance and even still I think the master is his best performance. Really shows how talented he was and how sad it is that we'll never see him in anything ever again
Putaspellonyou I agree, but I would argue that he is given us so much phenomenal work already. I’m sure you were thinking that also but man did he do some tremendous things before he died
Wonderful interview. Philip Seymour Hoffman was so talented and gifted. I think the first time I saw him in a movie was "Scent of a Woman with Al Pacino. He played the part of an arrogant college kid. Each movie he made be became more and more intense and could grasp a part so unbelievably. I am still so sad by his loss. His performance in "Capote" was incredible. I have watched it over and over again, and I am still mesmerized by his performance as Capote.
It was as if he were "channeling" Capote. Beyond physical resemblance, the mannerisms, the voice and inflection, the sheer screen presence in those lingering unspoken moments, a treasure on film. Just brilliant.
I have just discovered this absolute monster of a talent and have devoured everything I could that he has done. And even after watching over 20 of his films I had absolutely no feel for who the man was in real life, which is such a testament to his acting ability. So I literally came looking for an interview with him from the time that he did Capote so I could get a glimpse of who the man was in "real life". This is one of those people, had he lived, would have gone on to produce so many more treasures for us to enjoy and that's what really makes my heart ache about his passing. Well done and thank you sir for all that you gave us to enjoy. You are missed I am sure by so many.
I'm confident certain actors tap into a character so deep and so powerful it literally takes their lives in some way or another. Philip Seymour Hoffman, Heath Ledger, James Gandolfini to name a few. Yes, some died from addiction and the attempt to self medicate following such a performance, others damaging their own health in other ways.
They were all addicts prior to those specific roles. What makes them great actors is also what makes them addicts. Truman Capote himself was the same way, he was a brilliant and creative person, but had addiction problems
Lisa Surlie perhaps in your circles he’s known exclusively for that but I assure you he’s more commonly known as a great actor and to all accounts a kind man, you must be incredibly bored or incredibly bitter, maybe both?
There are a few occasions, and they are rare, when an actor playing a real person, someone famous, actually becomes that person. Denzel Washington with Malcolm X, Val Kilmer with Jim Morrison, and Philip Seymour Hoffman with Truman Capote. 30 seconds into their performances, and you forget you are seeing an actor playing a real person...they actually "become" the people they are portraying. RIP, Good Sir. You are missed. So incredibly talented and with such artistry... to think of what you might have done...
Wow! Very well said Donny Thompson! I didn't know anything about Capote, other than a few far flung opinions, and that In Cold Blood was a masterpiece. I knew it would be too hard for me to read, and I haven't yet. After seeing the movie I felt I got to know Capote. Like you so well state, the acting was seamless, so real I felt I was there and seeing Truman Capote. When the news came about Hoffman it was like I couldn't believe it.
I just watched it again the other night as it was streaming on hulu. It is a great movie and Hoffman is excellent. The last minute and a half is very telling and I wondered if it was the same feeling Hoffman was living in his own life.
What a terrific actor Hoffman was.....from beginning to end ..... his last completed movie ' A most wanted man' was excellent. He will be missed a lot more than Capote will ever be....
I own this movie I’ll never get rid of it I don’t care what platform it comes on I’ll still own it hands-down one of his greatest performances. The world lost a great actor when he died. And Truman Capote was an amazing writer as well let’s not take anything away from him from this interview please! And if you have the time read In Cold Blood!
Both deaths were a loss on this world - one was an amazing actor, the other was an amazing author. Breakfast at Tiffany's, In Cold Blood, and A Christmas Memory were terrific books.
This guy is one of the kind, you know. Here we say. he is the god of layin down. You saw him as dean trumbell or even better as sandy lyle? What a adaptable actor. Love him doin his work. Everybody need somebody, who get you to tears and laugh. Let it rain
I just saw an interview of Capote on here and he was asked who he wanted to play him, and he says Garbo because she has an adrogynous nature. Hearing him say this in 2017 with the film done already...eerie.
Hoffman's performance as the main character in "Capote" was just amazing! He didn't just play that part; he became it. I often wonder if the part of the reason he slid back into drug taking was because he couldn't really handle the sudden fame that came with that performance. For example, when someone in New York approached him and complimented him on that performance, he seemed really uncomfortable with that.
Wonderful interview! Astounded Phillip Seymour Hoffman gave us so much in his lifetime. Unfortunately, opiate addiction, which occurred for him due to pain medicine prescribed for back pain, is a common but chronic and reoccurring illness. I am so glad we are seeing it now as not a flaw of character but a public health emergency.
He’s only be 56 today if he’d lived. He’d still be doing great working, probably getting ever better. There’s no many actors I wish had got to do more work but PSH is one of them- he is always great in everything he was in.
I was at the SoHo screening for "Capote", and man- what an exciting night it was. Hoffman's death was a terrible loss: high quality dedicated acting among Thespians is something very lacking in the Performing Arts today, and he had certainly had this to the 1st degree.
the rôle of a lifetime , i saw it so many times , one of the best actor ever( with Joaquim Phoenix , Daniel Day Lewis ) in an amazing movie, he looks like a teddy bear , so sad
Such a loss for those of us who only knew him in film; could not imagine him as Capone. Now I can’t see him outside of it.🙏🏽 bless his loved ones, and those who feel painful loss of addiction.
This is why Philip landed the gig, and no one else could have ever pulled it off. Incredible insight and a depth of talent so deep and wide, and yet so humble.
The thing that just destroys me is that Philip, eventhough he gave us a number of great performances before he past, I feel like had so many more amazing roles he could have given us had he lived longer. I truly think that he could have gotten one more Oscar and not just the one for Capote.
born in the early fifties, growing up in the early sixties, it's strange that most people don't know who he was. He was absolutely the most famous writer in the USA through my childhood and all the way through college. I actually wondered today why he never wrote anything after IN Cold Blood--did he think he couldn't equal it? Did he just not want to work that hard? we'll never know.
WELL...HAVEN'T SEEN "CAPOTE" YET; BUT, I REMEMBER CAPOTE WELL ON T.V. WATCHED AN INTERVIEW WITH JOHNNY CARSON (JOAN RIVERS IS A GUEST!) AND IT'S CONSUMING. THEN I WATCHED A&E'S BIOGRAPHY ON CAPOTE LEARNING WHAT I NEVER KNEW BACK WHEN. STRANGE YET VERY AMERICAN (SAD GENIUS) WHOSE SUCCESS FOLLOWED ONE DIRECTION AND FAILED IN ANOTHER.
Brilliant acting, dedicated in studying his subject. In an interview Truman Capote appeared with a Mr. Seigei....and was coming apart on camera - and Mr. Seigel asked what would happen to him if he continued with the drinking and drugs... Capote said he would end up killing himself....without meaning to. And sadly Mr. Hoffman followed him on that destructive path.
The world lost as great a talent as Olivier, Burton and other actors who bring genius characterization to the roles they perform. I also feel sad that Charlie Rose lost his footing with regards to the charges of inappropriate sexual acts. Both these men are so intelligent, so interesting. Sigh.
Actor's imitate life...Capote was a intellectual titan. The Capote at Holocomb was his peak..he was truly a force of nature..it would be impossible to portray but I suppose you can try...
sensitive, insigthful, intelligent, humble....such an artist. sorely missed
Was a neighbor of mine in the ‘aughts in the West Village and the above words couldn’t be closer to the truth. Quiet and intense but always present and sensitive to those around him. Engaging and sensitive. Watching the way he chatted with people on the street or the servers and patrons at the places he ate (and, sadly, drank) just a real gentlemen. Great loss.
😢😢😢😢
This is probably the most heartbreaking overdose death to me. Literally no one saw it coming and he was just so nice. I met him back in 2008 and I was so touched by his kind words and humble spirit
So sad how he left 3 children behind RIP
One of them stars in the upcoming Paul Thomas Anderson film.
He was excellent. Didn't see a character he played I didn't like. So sad we lost him.
it broke my heart when he died. It still breaks my heart!
read my comment bout the heroin o.d. kit a junkies best friend if they want to remain breathing and alive @@cameronkrause4712
Philip Seymour Hoffman is one of the most beautiful Hollywood actors. I love him very much and I love his acting
Still broken up by the loss of this guy.
At first I thought you meant Capote, but I realize you mean Hoffman. I agree. He was a great GREAT actor. I loved him in The Talented Mr Ripley.
Same here
@Chad K I agree... the loss of Mr. Hoffman is a great loss. He was a wonderfully talented actor! Too bad he didn't have someone to turn to!
lol i find it surprising how much people freaked out about him dying. literally no one said anything about him while he was alive. really sad we can't appreciate people while theyre still alive....
Me too!
I've watched the movie 3 times and am still blown away by his performance!
WATCH THE TOBY JONES PERFORMANCE AS CAPOTE...........AMAZING....
I'm honestly mindblown by his actual voice and his voice that he used for Capote. This guy is literally a chameleon
God. This interview makes me miss him so much more.
I used to wanna be Hoffman. I am still mesmerized at his performances and how genuine and gentle he was.
Philip you are a genius, and the world was a better place for having you in it. You are missed terribly
Such a talent, but so troubled that he just couldn't go on. I keep a picture of him in my studio, and every day I say hello to him.
Surlie, Lisa that's a tad insensitive.
@James Donnelly I thought it was an accidental overdose. Could be wrong.
@Lisa Surlie you will be too one day, whats your point genius
One of the best brilliant actors that never disappointed me in his films... I wish he knew how many fans loved his performance. He deserved the Oscar for Capote, but he should have also won for playing the Priest in Doubt.
He had such a gift ...amazing I go back and watch everything he was in . I recently watched the movie when Ethan Hawk played his brother. My apologies I forgot the name .🙂
It is too bad he died from drugs and did not resist them. It is the downfall of so many and he was such a good actor. Doubt and Capote were some of his best. Hope his kids are doing well, as well as his wife.
@@pattyoneill6724 wow u sound very judgemental...what difference does it maked weather he died from drugs or heart disease???? Addiction is the same thing -
@@Robert06087 Before the Devil Knows you're Dead .. going to watch it 😊
He knew, he just had demons and sadly succumbed to them
I have seen many interviews with Capote. If I wasn't told differently, I could easily believe I was watching Capote, not Hoffman. Hoffman was that great an actor.
god how lucky are we movie lovers to have ever had this guy.
Hoffman was one of my favorite actors. And his death still bothers me. I know he was sober for a long time. It’s just sad because I believe he was a good guy and had so much to give the world. He’s really missed 🙏❤️
Philip Seymour Hoffman is still my favorite actor. I'll forever be heartbroken by his passing. I believe he still would've given us so many more incredible performances. He was a terrific, genuine performer.
Absolutely brilliant performance by PSH. He became Truman Capote in the movie.
I can’t recall a better performance by an actor.
Toby Jones (Infamous)
WATCH TOBY JONES PERFORMANCE......................
This is an all time great performance and even still I think the master is his best performance. Really shows how talented he was and how sad it is that we'll never see him in anything ever again
Phillip was such an enormous huge talent.
I wish he never knew what heroine was.
RIP buddy
Charlie Rose is the best interviewer ever. He brought out all the amazing info on how Hoffman thinks. Amazing interview. Amazing people.
Absolutely!
Facts
Too bad he took advantage of his power with his subordinates, according to 27 women. Just gross. I miss Hoffman though.
Jesus, just imagine the work he could've done had he lived. He was America's Daniel Day Lewis
Putaspellonyou I agree, but I would argue that he is given us so much phenomenal work already. I’m sure you were thinking that also but man did he do some tremendous things before he died
Indeed. Only a few A-list actors can boast the number of Oscar-calibre performances he can.
i liked him just fine as america's.....philip seymour hoffman
truman capote was no lewis
No. He was America's Philip Seymour Hoffman and he was one milion times better.
does anyone else kind of think he is talking about himself in moments here? Easy to read into now he is gone but it’s quite striking. Brilliant actor
Spot on! Wow......every word.....he is describing himself.
ABSOLUTELY adore this actor. I was so sad when I heard the news. Rest in peace Philip.
Philip Seymour Hoffman was as large as Truman Capote was small. Talk about performance! Great performer, indeed.
True. I think Toby Jones could have played Truman as well; looking very like him to start with.
@@davidcopson5800 As a matter of fact he did, he was extremely convincing in "Infamous".
He was the greatest young actor period. Watch him in The Talented Mr. Ripley!!
Wonderful interview. Philip Seymour Hoffman was so talented and gifted. I think the first time I saw him in a movie was "Scent of a Woman with Al Pacino. He played the part of an arrogant college kid. Each movie he made be became more and more intense and could grasp a part so unbelievably. I am still so sad by his loss. His performance in "Capote" was incredible. I have watched it over and over again, and I am still mesmerized by his performance as Capote.
Man, one of the greatest actors of this generation!
Amazing
It was as if he were "channeling" Capote. Beyond physical resemblance, the mannerisms, the voice and inflection, the sheer screen presence in those lingering unspoken moments, a treasure on film. Just brilliant.
I have just discovered this absolute monster of a talent and have devoured everything I could that he has done. And even after watching over 20 of his films I had absolutely no feel for who the man was in real life, which is such a testament to his acting ability. So I literally came looking for an interview with him from the time that he did Capote so I could get a glimpse of who the man was in "real life". This is one of those people, had he lived, would have gone on to produce so many more treasures for us to enjoy and that's what really makes my heart ache about his passing. Well done and thank you sir for all that you gave us to enjoy. You are missed I am sure by so many.
I'm confident certain actors tap into a character so deep and so powerful it literally takes their lives in some way or another. Philip Seymour Hoffman, Heath Ledger, James Gandolfini to name a few. Yes, some died from addiction and the attempt to self medicate following such a performance, others damaging their own health in other ways.
They were all addicts prior to those specific roles. What makes them great actors is also what makes them addicts. Truman Capote himself was the same way, he was a brilliant and creative person, but had addiction problems
And Johnny Depp
1000% agree
Philip Seymour Hoffman - tragic loss, RIP.
You’re on a roll in this comments section slandering him aren’t you, did he cut you off in traffic or something?
Lisa Surlie perhaps in your circles he’s known exclusively for that but I assure you he’s more commonly known as a great actor and to all accounts a kind man, you must be incredibly bored or incredibly bitter, maybe both?
Lisa Surlie
You think you’re a great existentialist but you really need a schtick. Dumb.
There are a few occasions, and they are rare, when an actor playing a real person, someone famous, actually becomes that person. Denzel Washington with Malcolm X, Val Kilmer with Jim Morrison, and Philip Seymour Hoffman with Truman Capote. 30 seconds into their performances, and you forget you are seeing an actor playing a real person...they actually "become" the people they are portraying. RIP, Good Sir. You are missed. So incredibly talented and with such artistry... to think of what you might have done...
Wow! Very well said Donny Thompson! I didn't know anything about Capote, other than a few far flung opinions, and that In Cold Blood was a masterpiece. I knew it would be too hard for me to read, and I haven't yet. After seeing the movie I felt I got to know Capote. Like you so well state, the acting was seamless, so real I felt I was there and seeing Truman Capote. When the news came about Hoffman it was like I couldn't believe it.
RIP Philip Seymour Hoffman (July 23, 1967 - February 2, 2014), aged 46
You will be remembered as a legend
I just watched it again the other night as it was streaming on hulu. It is a great movie and Hoffman is excellent. The last minute and a half is very telling and I wondered if it was the same feeling Hoffman was living in his own life.
Generous and intelligent. Miss him so much. Broken 💓
brilliant performance, great film, amazing book everyone should read.
What a terrific actor Hoffman was.....from beginning to end ..... his last completed movie ' A most wanted man' was excellent. He will be missed a lot more than Capote will ever be....
@Lisa Surlie Are you ever so dumb !!!
I own this movie I’ll never get rid of it I don’t care what platform it comes on I’ll still own it hands-down one of his greatest performances.
The world lost a great actor when he died.
And Truman Capote was an amazing writer as well let’s not take anything away from him from this interview please!
And if you have the time read In Cold Blood!
Oh boy, beautiful Phil.
Another tragedy being Charlie Rose a brilliant interviewer cut down by his own foibles. I miss that show.
So many enlightening remarks by Hoffman in this.
Both deaths were a loss on this world - one was an amazing actor, the other was an amazing author. Breakfast at Tiffany's, In Cold Blood, and A Christmas Memory were terrific books.
Yes. But Capote wasn't as incredible as he thought he was. He did damage to many who helped him. Not good.
Capote died drunk and high, btw.
Every time I watch this interview, I feel sorry for the passing of Philip, a rare actor
Philip Seymour Hoffman had the ability to be one of the greats for decades. What a loss.
My favorite actor. I can't get enough of his work, but that''s life, love and tragedy.
Ditto. Great actor who had so much more to give.
My favorite actor. A superb talent. But as i watch these two men talk passionately, it is so sad that both of them had such powerful demons.
Guess you dont know human beings very well. Were weird.
Demons?
Not so much more desires.the wrong ones.
One of the most amazing performances by an actor I've ever seen....wow...
He was so good in everything I saw him in. A great loss.
I sure miss seeing him....great actor.
This guy is one of the kind, you know. Here we say. he is the god of layin down. You saw him as dean trumbell or even better as sandy lyle? What a adaptable actor. Love him doin his work.
Everybody need somebody, who get you to tears and laugh.
Let it rain
I just saw an interview of Capote on here and he was asked who he wanted to play him, and he says Garbo because she has an adrogynous nature. Hearing him say this in 2017 with the film done already...eerie.
I also liked the film, Infamous, about Capote and Harper Lee.
Hoffman's performance as the main character in "Capote" was just amazing! He didn't just play that part; he became it. I often wonder if the part of the reason he slid back into drug taking was because he couldn't really handle the sudden fame that came with that performance. For example, when someone in New York approached him and complimented him on that performance, he seemed really uncomfortable with that.
Wonderful interview! Astounded Phillip Seymour Hoffman gave us so much in his lifetime. Unfortunately, opiate addiction, which occurred for him due to pain medicine prescribed for back pain, is a common but chronic and reoccurring illness. I am so glad we are seeing it now as not a flaw of character but a public health emergency.
He’s only be 56 today if he’d lived. He’d still be doing great working, probably getting ever better. There’s no many actors I wish had got to do more work but PSH is one of them- he is always great in everything he was in.
like Ethan Hawke says, 'it doesn't come for free" referring to his talent and insight
Recently watched the movie when they were brothers. Amazing actor .
such attention to detail, its a sign of a mad genius...true actor
The film showed his brilliant writing in the scene in which he read the first lines of the book.
One of the best Actor of the world i mean..so sorry that he is gone so early
I was at the SoHo screening for "Capote", and man- what an exciting night it was. Hoffman's death was a terrible loss: high quality dedicated acting among Thespians is something very lacking in the Performing Arts today, and he had certainly had this to the 1st degree.
the rôle of a lifetime , i saw it so many times , one of the best actor ever( with Joaquim Phoenix , Daniel Day Lewis ) in an amazing movie, he looks like a teddy bear , so sad
Such a talented man, how I miss is movies 🎥🥰
Such a loss for those of us who only knew him in film; could not imagine him as Capone. Now I can’t see him outside of it.🙏🏽 bless his loved ones, and those who feel painful loss of addiction.
18:05
Capote (correction)
Thank you Phil and we miss you.
This was a great film, Hoffman was brilliant in this film.
Really was one of the great performances in film
This is why Philip landed the gig, and no one else could have ever pulled it off. Incredible insight and a depth of talent so deep and wide, and yet so humble.
Really bummed me out when he died. One of the best
The thing that just destroys me is that Philip, eventhough he gave us a number of great performances before he past, I feel like had so many more amazing roles he could have given us had he lived longer. I truly think that he could have gotten one more Oscar and not just the one for Capote.
born in the early fifties, growing up in the early sixties, it's strange that most people don't know who he was. He was absolutely the most famous writer in the USA through my childhood and all the way through college. I actually wondered today why he never wrote anything after IN Cold Blood--did he think he couldn't equal it? Did he just not want to work that hard? we'll never know.
Actually he wrote several things, including Answered Prayers, his scandalous memoir that got him banned from NY society life.
The high places these days are so toxic that nobody can survive anymore no matter how good you are. (New York, Washington DC...)
Small town middle America is leading the charge when it comes to opiod addiction. What does it have to do with your irrational fear of major cities?
WELL...HAVEN'T SEEN "CAPOTE" YET; BUT, I REMEMBER CAPOTE WELL ON T.V. WATCHED AN INTERVIEW WITH JOHNNY CARSON (JOAN RIVERS IS A GUEST!) AND IT'S CONSUMING. THEN I WATCHED A&E'S BIOGRAPHY ON CAPOTE LEARNING WHAT I NEVER KNEW BACK WHEN. STRANGE YET VERY AMERICAN (SAD GENIUS) WHOSE SUCCESS FOLLOWED ONE DIRECTION AND FAILED IN ANOTHER.
Brilliant acting, dedicated in studying his subject. In an interview Truman Capote appeared with a Mr. Seigei....and was coming apart on camera - and Mr. Seigel asked what would happen to him if he continued with the drinking and drugs... Capote said he would end up killing himself....without meaning to. And sadly Mr. Hoffman followed him on that destructive path.
we dont have so many great actors we can afford to lose them like this
I read "IN COLD BLOOD" when I was a teenager...best book read up to jr. College!!🙏
I love you so much, Philip, may God have mercy on you
PSH will always be the man no matter what. still like to see more of his work but unfortunately...
he has that perfectly shaped cupid's bow upper lip!
I can’t stll believe he is gone like that.
Un beso y un abrazo para el otro lado hombre perla. Desde Galicia, España.
I love this man!!!!
A truly brilliant man❤
2:09 _"A Visit with Truman Capote"_ (1966)
This guy was everything.
One of the best ....great Hoffman
Miss him
I adored him in The Talented Mr Ripley
The world lost as great a talent as Olivier, Burton and other actors who bring genius characterization to the roles they perform. I also feel sad that Charlie Rose lost his footing with regards to the charges of inappropriate sexual acts. Both these men are so intelligent, so interesting. Sigh.
Il film "A sangue freddo" rimane un'interpretazione memorabile di questo attore, estremamente talentuoso
my friend looks just like him. kinda cute in an odd way
I saw him on Broadway in “ Long Days Journey Into Night”…….the best acting performance I’ve ever seen….it was scary and uncomfortable
stay off drugs kids...it's unmanageable. Don't rob the world of your talents, your love, your warmth your genius.
U did a great good Job...t.y...
Actor's imitate life...Capote was a intellectual titan. The Capote at Holocomb was his peak..he was truly a force of nature..it would be impossible to portray but I suppose you can try...
I think playing Truman really affected Philip.
PSH was perhaps the best actor in the world at one time. He is missed. 🙁❤️
He was hilarious in Super Troopers too.
Seymour Hoffman was a great artist. The world lost him tragically because of the unavailability of addiction treatment that works.
sa65cn1 No treatment works. You have to make the decision to save yourself and follow through. Truth.
Great Actor!
I miss him.
Such a great performance & waste of a wonderful human spirit. Life can be cruel...
A little fact here: Charlie Rose is married to Babe Paley’s daughter; Babe Paley being one of Truman’s Swan’s that he wrote about.
He plays a great priest and governor in real life too....