Wow, Andrew Moskowitz! I read his work many years ago. Hes really a wonderful speaker. Good tempo (not too slow, not too fast), clear and very comprehensive!
I’m trying to understand my experience and it fits the criteria for disassociation. I heard my former spouses name in my ears at 400 AM. It seemed like my voice but it was in great multitude and sounded like it came from beyond. I dreamt of her and we had a quagmire of some kind. I woke up angry and couldn’t get it off my mind until I sent her a message. I later found out she passed away before I had the experience. I went into a state of grievance, couldn’t sleep or eat and began hallucinating horrible demon creatures. After a serious suicide attempt I got the help I needed, but I’m still convinced I had a spiritual experience albeit unpleasant.
We should think better about the language we use in describing the phenomena that come under this topic. To say that the [‘mad’] person ‘talks to themselves’ is incorrect. As far as their experience goes, they are talking to somebody else. The fact that the outside observer cannot see or perceive this somebody else is purely a paucity of information and lack of awareness/observation on the part of the observer. I talk to myself when I am trying to work something out which is complex, what I am doing here is thinking out loud, it helps me process the diverse aspects of what I am trying to work out. I think most people do this to a small degree, like when you are about to go out and you realise you have forgotten to put your keys in your pocket and you might say out loud “Damn! My keys!”. I expect that not many people think out loud to the extent that I do, but then not many people want to understand details to the degree of nuance that I do.
There is something odd here. They do not hear the voices, its not audible voices. Hearing is the wrong term. The right term do not exist in any human language. The closest discription of it is: Inaudible omnipresent isotropic echo vibe resonating extrasensory perception. This lecture, in itself. Listening , while reasoning , while projecting to one's self is actually a therapy. I feel so much better, its like magic. Wonder if wahnstimmung / delusional atmosphere can actually alter visual perception/ visual reconstruction to alter reality. Wonder if people suffer from long term transference, through subliminal association, where an event in the present is interpreted by a set of feelings, imported from long past similar event. That might explain spontaneous gut feelings.
I agree it is odd, even incorrect to say they hear voices - if there is no sound then there is nothing to hear. However the correct term is simply auditory hallucinations. This refers both to the fact that it is not real, it is not ‘out there’ in objective reality, and to the fact that it is affecting the auditory system as opposed to any other sense system. I find the phrase ‘do you hear voices’ very annoying because it makes me want to say ‘of course I hear voices, how do you think I was able to answer your question’.
In your definition the last word is perception, would that perception include/exclude a visual context or/and feeling of emotionality? How does the patient feel perception?
@@willabestorms6059 i mean the perception include every sensory path , including feelings. You cant distinguish the feeling from what triggered it. It all comes in a multiple sensory storm. It is all very fast, often out of cognitive awareness. A perception without distinct sensory source.
I do not think it develops from trauma as much as what was postulated. I may do research into this if given the time and volition. As of now my work is in family systems analysis and the death drive theory.
Freud was also in denial of sexual abuse of his patients. Not surprising, given how messed up the guy was. I suggest you go beyond Freud if you want to understand anything about han beings?
People who have all their understandinh of psychology from psychoanalytic theory don't really understand trauma and the importance of attachment. You need to evolve your understanding if you actually want to understand beyond outdated jargon.
Wow, Andrew Moskowitz! I read his work many years ago. Hes really a wonderful speaker. Good tempo (not too slow, not too fast), clear and very comprehensive!
I’m trying to understand my experience and it fits the criteria for disassociation. I heard my former spouses name in my ears at 400 AM. It seemed like my voice but it was in great multitude and sounded like it came from beyond. I dreamt of her and we had a quagmire of some kind. I woke up angry and couldn’t get it off my mind until I sent her a message. I later found out she passed away before I had the experience. I went into a state of grievance, couldn’t sleep or eat and began hallucinating horrible demon creatures. After a serious suicide attempt I got the help I needed, but I’m still convinced I had a spiritual experience albeit unpleasant.
The best lectures I've ever heard elaborating on AVH
Wish I had professors like this in grad school
We should think better about the language we use in describing the phenomena that come under this topic. To say that the [‘mad’] person ‘talks to themselves’ is incorrect. As far as their experience goes, they are talking to somebody else. The fact that the outside observer cannot see or perceive this somebody else is purely a paucity of information and lack of awareness/observation on the part of the observer. I talk to myself when I am trying to work something out which is complex, what I am doing here is thinking out loud, it helps me process the diverse aspects of what I am trying to work out. I think most people do this to a small degree, like when you are about to go out and you realise you have forgotten to put your keys in your pocket and you might say out loud “Damn! My keys!”. I expect that not many people think out loud to the extent that I do, but then not many people want to understand details to the degree of nuance that I do.
Fascinating !
great knowledge, wonderful speaker
55:26 'the body keeps the score' by 'Bessel Van Der Kolk'
thank you for this
24:00 25:00 important
People who are suicidal hear voices as well
40:28 'all the best ideas came from germany!'
haha we all know you meant all but 1 big one don't worry ;)
There is something odd here.
They do not hear the voices, its not audible voices. Hearing is the wrong term.
The right term do not exist in any human language.
The closest discription of it is:
Inaudible omnipresent isotropic echo vibe resonating extrasensory perception.
This lecture, in itself.
Listening , while reasoning , while projecting to one's self is actually a therapy.
I feel so much better, its like magic.
Wonder if wahnstimmung / delusional atmosphere can actually alter visual perception/ visual reconstruction to alter reality.
Wonder if people suffer from long term transference, through subliminal association, where an event in the present is interpreted by a set of feelings, imported from long past similar event. That might explain spontaneous gut feelings.
I agree it is odd, even incorrect to say they hear voices - if there is no sound then there is nothing to hear. However the correct term is simply auditory hallucinations. This refers both to the fact that it is not real, it is not ‘out there’ in objective reality, and to the fact that it is affecting the auditory system as opposed to any other sense system. I find the phrase ‘do you hear voices’ very annoying because it makes me want to say ‘of course I hear voices, how do you think I was able to answer your question’.
@@tracik1277 thank you for your witty reply.
In your definition the last word is perception, would that perception include/exclude a visual context or/and feeling of emotionality?
How does the patient feel perception?
@@willabestorms6059 i mean the perception include every sensory path , including feelings. You cant distinguish the feeling from what triggered it. It all comes in a multiple sensory storm.
It is all very fast, often out of cognitive awareness. A perception without distinct sensory source.
I do not think it develops from trauma as much as what was postulated. I may do research into this if given the time and volition. As of now my work is in family systems analysis and the death drive theory.
Freud was also in denial of sexual abuse of his patients. Not surprising, given how messed up the guy was. I suggest you go beyond Freud if you want to understand anything about han beings?
You’re wrong.
I didn't realize Jung was heavily influenced by Janet
People who have all their understandinh of psychology from psychoanalytic theory don't really understand trauma and the importance of attachment. You need to evolve your understanding if you actually want to understand beyond outdated jargon.
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Trump comment ?? WTH? 26:00