I am glad to see a few comments regarding the drivers experience with all this crossing mis use. I was a little disappointed that that point was not mentioned anywhere in the episode. I do really enjoy the show though so thanks for all your work.
People think they’re invincible, but their 12 stone of soggy stuff is no match to 200tonnes of steel and aluminium doing 90mph. The train doesn’t care and won’t notice the demise of the fool who messes with it. The driver however, will have their life changed forever. I wish Network Rail would change the crossing warnings from ‘Stop, Look, Listen, Beware of Trains.’ to ‘DO NOT CROSS WHEN TRAINS ARE APPROACHING!’ Great show gents, please keep up the good work.
Word well 4 car electrostars are between 161 and 178 tons but near enough 200 tons. So yeah . That force exxagerates when the train is coming at you at 80mph
Kinetic energy is mass x velocity squared / 2. That’s an awful lot of mass travelling at high velocity so a heck of a lot of energy. There’s only going to be one outcome.
@@gapthemind--mindthegap8524Each coach of a train can have 100 passengers plus luggage on board too, which will easily take the unladen weight of an Electrostar to well over 200 tonnes per 4-car unit.
Re level crossing misuse , some folk are just plain stupid , they don't need lessons in it because it comes naturally to them. If you are hit by a train , you either end up with the undertaker or seriously injured for life. It also affects the driver and those who have to deal with the aftermath.
Another terrific episode. Watching the instances of level crossing abuse my thoughts went straight to the drivers of those trains knowing there is nothing that they could do. Coming from Scotland a couple of observations about the timetable cuts. The Glasgow/Edinburgh lines can probably absorb the reduction in services but it is the lines north and south of the central belt that are suffering. This week i had the misfortune to travel from Glasgow to Aberdeen on the service that has been cut from 1 train per hour to 1 every 2 hours, a 3 car DMU which was rammed for a near 3 hour journey. Came back by bus. Also last train from Wick/Thuso now leaves 12.30/13.00 instead of 16.00/16.30.
Totally agree. We should really have mentioned the drivers on the show. The trauma they must experience is terrible. And a 3 car DMU in a 2 hour gap from Aberdeen to Glasgow is madness.
Nigel, Richard and Stef - another excellent episode as ever, thank you! The Network Rail footage of the level crossing misuse along the Wessex route is truly terrifying. I'm afraid that I still fail to understand the mindset of people who are seemingly oblivious to the dangers at these locations and as others have noted, the effect that their actions are bound to have on the driver of an approaching train. Just over a year ago, I was in the extremely fortunate situation of being able to have an officially organised cab ride. In what was a truly fascinating day out, at one point during the journey, I had something of a taster of what a driver has to contend with. The incident, thankfully, was nowhere near as close as any of the examples shown here, but that isn't to say that it should be treated any less seriously. We were on our way between Immingham and Knottingley. Unfortunately, I can't remember the exact location, but we were approaching a foot crossing when a man with his dog strolled across in front of us, apparently not caring about the fact that there was close to 130 tonnes of locomotive bearing down on him (we were running light engine). Having already sounded a horn warning on approach, the driver gave the chap a not-so friendly reminder on the horn as we passed over the crossing where he had been just seconds previously. The chap never even turned round to acknowledge, but simply gave us the customary two-finger salute. It really brought home the intelligence level of some people, and more to the point, the type of incidents that drivers have to face on what seems to be an alarmingly regular basis.
Thanks Brian It's a great point as to what drivers have to contend with. I really do feel for the poor driver who experienced the incident at New Fishbourne on the video (which must have been genuinely traumatic) and the incident you described. Harrowing stuff. Cheers Richard
@@GreenSignals Many thanks Richard, and yes indeed, the incident at New Fishbourne was heart-in-mouth stuff for all concerned. Like you, I feel especially for the driver and I still don't know how the pair, especially the young girl, escaped with their lives.
I used to drive the Marlow Branch, and there is a foot crossing by the Marlow Rugby Club called Ivory Fields No2 crossing. It is on a tight bend and the line speed is 40mph. I’d left Marlow, speeding up to 40mph, there’s an AWS magnet at about the same point you’re shutting off power, the vigilance is going off, the whistle board for the crossing all happening at once. As I rounded the bend, a woman was standing inside the boundary fence on the crossing with three little terrier dogs, two on leads beside her, and the third off the lead barking at me between the rails. My instant thought was that dog is about to be hit, but the woman ran straight across in front of me chasing the dog off the crossing. I missed her by millimetres. She actually disappeared below my windscreen I was that close. I honestly thought I’d hit her. She disappeared off along the footpath and I had to gather myself before continuing to Bourne End. It really does mess you up as a driver. I’ve witnessed one fatality right in front of me, though not my train, and that was an awful thing to see. The stupidity of some people really astounds me. Keep up the good work folks.
In answer to Nigels question at 22:12 about where does the earth go. Not sure in HS2 but i know some of the earth dug out for crossrail was used to landscape what will be country parks that usually seem to be former landfill sites
Could automated locking gate-type crossings (like the level crossings of the old days) be a possible solution? They'd be much harder to break through in a car/bike or to be jumped over by pedestrians.
Portsmouth Harbour to Ryde? The Solent rail bridge sounds like a massive project but looking at what early rail pioneers accomplished there's no reason why it won't be possible with modern construction technology.
Having found your channel by accident and found it to be really informative. Now I am not a railway engineer but a casual follower of the railways system as a heavy use before the keyboard warriors get worked up. It would be interesting to check the amount of Crossing incidents with those with Stations that were maned and those that had Signal boxes that are used to close the gates manually, coupled with the fact there were 4 gates, not half gates is it this case again of relying too much on technology whereas boots on the ground can be more effective in stopping miss use & trespass I am talking Village Stations etc. Not Terminals Also is it not possible that in rural areas that have pedestrians crossing the gates lock as a train approaches as well as the light on the gate which gives a red light that is often vandalised. Finally, on a lighter note can someone explain why the Flying Scotsman is the Most famous engine in the world? If you went to say Easter Island and gave a picture to the locals would they know what the locomotive I think not? In fact, going closer to home would anyone in the crowds when FSM is in a station know the answer to this also. So is the loco Famous for being Famous? Remember it is an Engine named after a train not the other way around. It was like Mallard again famous for its speed record but Coronation held the record on its return journey from its record-breaking run which I understand still holds the record today for the first sustained run for a steam Engine but that's forgotten and never mentioned. I do agree that FSCM does keep the public interested in Steam and helps to kindle interest in all things Railway for the younger generation on which we rely especially on heritage railways' survival.
Trains with "little smiley faces" are Class 365, ex-Networker Express Units. The Class 325 Royal Mail Units whilst having the same front/rear cab ends, are not of Networker design. They are acually similar to Class 319 ex Thameslink units. So spares from "little smiley faces" units will be of no use.
Another cracking show team! The safe use of level crossings is ultimately down to the user, period. There isn't a person alive who doesn't know that bells, barriers, lights etc mean 'danger'. Railway companies can only do so much, the rest is down to Darwinism.
Many years ago I used to spend a lot of time at night trainspotting on Basingstoke station with my then lodger. We knew the staff very well, and would have some great laughs during our time there. One night, our friend on the station control point set up an announcement on the PA stating ‘A replacement bus service is in operation between Portsmouth Harbour and Ryde Pier Head due to flooding on the line.’ I have been to the Isle of Wight but never used the railway. It is one of my must do things for the future.
Excellent! I really do think people should go and see the IOW. Absolutely lovely, right on the doorstep really and it feels like an adventure when travelling there (in the best way!)
Although those people featured in the crossings misuse videos got away with their lives, the subsequent disruption due to the poor driver who will have witnessed such stupidity having to be relieved after the event would have likely been significant.
Gentlemen, what is your view on Southeastern Trains' and Network Rail's planned idea of cutting services on the Medway Valley Line so that Network Rail can carry out maintenance during day light hours?
The level crossing issue is a tricky one. Some folks mindset is never going to be changed, no matter what NR do. A bit like pedestrian crossings on roads, people can't be bothered to walk the extra 10 yards to the crossing and wait, so just wander across the road into traffic...
Thank you Nigel and Richard for another fantastic show. As a response to your kings speach topic; I seriously feel the railfreight sector should supported to expand and improve, but at the same time left out of the rationalisation plans. It's the passenger sector that needs improving and ticket prices to be reduced.
Perhaps the half barriers are a sort of invitation for pedestrians in a hurry. I don't think they exist in the country I live in. All the barriers should be complete whole road barriers in my view.
Good evening Nigel Richard & not forgetting Steff 🤩 Level crossing miss use must be an absolute nightmare and so glad Green Signals covered this very important topic 👍🏻 My daughter is a BTP officer in Manchester and has unfortunately had to clear up the aftermath of fatalities on many occasion and it’s so sad 😢 Great Pod RUclips channel as always and always look forward to a Thursday just like when my rail magazine dropped through my letterbox 👍🏻
You have covered, in shocking detail, the safety issues re level crossings - this has a cost (what is the value these days of an 'equivqlent fatality'?) as does the distress to the train-drivers involved. There is another issue, which is that level crossings restrict the number of trains - and buses for that matter. Some examples: in London - Acton, Mortlake, Barnes; on Coastway West - Chichester, Shoreham, Portslade; all of these are on lines which - if getting people out of cars and on to trains and buses is an acknowledged aim - should have tube-style frequencies. So, to the costs saved by replacing a crossing, can be added the extra income - plus the community benefits (climate, congestion, air-quality etc.) of getting more people on to public transport. Closing level crossings also helps freight - both rail and road. So glad that Louise Haigh has included integrating transport networks in her priorities. Getting buses and trains to work together should be a no-brainer - cheap and in theory simple: just get some top shakers and movers together, make them discuss and commit to getting buses and trains to connect properly. Just in case no one has thought to do it, here is a quick 'How to do Integration' guide: Place (make interchanges easy and worry-free - see the London tube) Ticketing (through ticketing - all journeys, all modes) Publicity (everything from way-finding to social media) Timing (bleedin' obvious) and - Staff at interchanges, to advise and help when things go wrong If you do all that, you should have: A - happy passengers B - more passengers C - more revenue
Royal Mail Class 325 fleet built by ABB (subsequently became Adtranz) at Litchurch Lane Derby, 1995-6. Steel body version of Networker (many parts probably in common with Class 365 / 465). I was involved with communication system design / supply and in that respect can confirm functional compatibility with EMU Networkers. However, some additional parts - fire detection, security system and roller cargo doors not found on Networkers, no windows but structure allows modification. I remember original design requirements included a capability to convert into passenger stock which I recall was consider when they were previously redundant, but not economically viable. In summary, spares shouldn't be a problem!
The traction system for Class 325 was a refresh of GEC Alsthom Traction's dual voltage (750v/25kV) DC traction system from Class 319, rather than the AC traction system supplied by GEC Alsthom for Class 365, which I presume means that the bogies and main transformer are also from Class 319. So the spares position is more complex than previously suggested, with Class 319/769 also a potential source of spares, and the DC traction system may explain why the train is considered more expensive to maintain
Bloomin hell the level crossing near misses are frightening! Thinking of the poor drivers seeing it! I honestly don’t understand it when there’s barriers and nee-naw signs!
Fascinating and informative as always, thank you. On a very trivial note, I was distracted by the "dandruff" flecks on Tim's microphone, and I kept wishing I could reach over and flick them off! Nigel's, however, was immaculate!
The signal protecting Farnham level crossing on the down is quite a distance in advance of the crossing, hence the barriers are down longer than they would be, had they installed an intermediate signal when the area was re-controlled.
Richard again from W. Canada, Your chat with Sam of N.R. and later your comments about the terrible misuse of level crossings, I was surprised that you never mentioned the effect that it must have on the poor train drivers' seeing a disaster about to happened of which they have no control. Just my thought, keep up the good work.
It's quite early on before we started using image based thumbnails. So if you go onto RUclips and click on the Videos tab, scroll down to nearly the beginning and it is an episode entitled Strikes, Skills and Suitcases Graham is always great value!.
Road lay out has nothing to do with it, its simple stupidy and ignorance, when i was 13 on a cross country school walk to Beauly we came across an unmanned pedestrian crossing having left the slower class mates behind, we knew to stop and wait for the group and to look both ways before crossing, playing on the tracks was the last thing on our minds because we knew the danger. This is the problem with the nanny state and cotton wool kids, they cant assess the dangers around them and so these things happen. Bring back the 80s horror ads showing the results of being so stupid, they work
I am totally frustrated that nothing seems to being done about the northern extension to HS2. Is the land sell off still going ahead? I really hope not
That footage from the level crossings is incredible how people survive in daily life ! Darwin Award winners all of them It's the Drivers that need our support dread to think what those do to the heart rates.
Always great to be kept uptodate by the green signallers. Regarding the island line what happened to the proposed rail tunnel to Portsmouth? Surely that would be a game changer. Level crossing misuse is crazy but many people have the attitude that gates and lights do not apply to them. For cars was there not a study to see if normal traffic lights would confuse drivers less? Good stuff as ever.
Good day to you gent's, l love watching your shows every week, I can't but notice that you mention Burnley in your shows afew times where I reside, I think that you,ll be aware of the closed line between Colne and Skipton and how S,E,L,R,A,P have been campaigning for years to reopen it , what is your take on this topic (will it happen) thanks guys , keep up the great work 👍.
An interesting question indeed. Nigel is from Burnley and although I am originally from Oldham, I went to school in Blackburn so we both know the line well. Personally, I am more dubious as to the benefits of reopening than Nigel is. But whatever the benefit case is, I fear the reality of public finances is such that the chance of it reopening in the near future is extremely low. However, we are looking to do a show in the near future on some potential reopenings and I suspect Colne - Skipton may well feature! Cheers Richard
The wishlist at 51.48 (ship from Portsmouth run by what was BR), trains to Ventnor and Cowes, was the everyday reality when I was a child on holiday there in the 1960s. Steam was the motive power, even one of the ships was a paddle steamer!
As a relatively new viewer still trying to catch up on all your episodes, I have to congratulate you on this latest one! It encompasses many of my own interests and whilst I really want to comment about the Island Line works (I visit the IoW frequently) I can't ignore the opportunity to comment on the shocking piece about misuse of level crossings. I think you were maybe too 'generous' towards those risking their lives - I mean, how stupid do you need to be when faced with red signals, blaring klaxons and physical barriers to think that there isn't danger present?! It cannot surely be blamed on eg 'road layouts' etc. as mentioned?! Talk of 'education' is all very well, but I do hope that that includes an element of shock tactics, ie the frequent use of those shocking video clips? I also think it's worth mentioning the horrendous effect these incidents must have on the train drivers involved! As for the Island Line, it has never recovered from the cessation of the old rolling stock in early 2021 (not 2020 as stated incidentally). Every single period of downtime since then has lasted longer than intended and the excuses given have not resulted in public confidence (I have frequently had contact with the former MP of the Island on the matter), and as a feature of the new £10M 'Ryde Transport Interchange', which it is, has not delivered the promised benefits, eg a half hour rail service etc. It is now left with a quite bizarre '3 trains per 2 hours' service which hardly ever meets the passenger ferry (FastCat) at the end of the pier, resulting in long waits for the trains to turn up, or long waits for the ferry if you've got there by train. I will look forward to SWR/Network Rail comments on your programme. It's a fabulous railway and deserves more attention! (Nigel, especially for you - ruclips.net/video/a81aJVhBmMo/видео.html )
For the island line falling to extend the the line into Newport was because they wanted the steam railway to pay the costs to extend in to Newport wich who cost a lot, cutting down trees, rebuilding Bridges and a new station for Newport. Not that long ago one of the old railway Bridges was pulled down (it wasn't used anymore). And where who a station go in Newport now and be available to extend to Cowes. The steam railway doesn't want island line running over the line because all of the steam locos will need to be fitted with safe systems (AWS and TPWS), all staff trained to be safe around a 3rd rail, and if island line ran over the steam railway line that it could will kill off the steam railway.
Yes, extending the Island Line over the steam railway tracks would be fraught with problems, and even if it wasn't, an extension to Cowes would be beset by an inability to find a suitable route for the track. I think that the only possibility to extend the line would be to Ventnor, maybe, but even then, the location of the station would be well away from the town centre and would require a good bus link. I'd be happy with a more reliable Island Line over the existing route, with an end to constant closures of the pier, and an attempt to time the rail service better to meet the FastCat and even the hovercraft, with enough time to get between the two! Since the reopening in 2021,, they have cut down the available time between ferry and train departures, with many people, including me, left stranded at the pier head because the ferry has been slightly late in arriving! An 'interchange' as it is now deemed does not always ring true.
@@NewCityMedia the line to Ventnor is the only option for a extension as the the line isn't built on apart from Ventnor Station and a bit of a holiday park at Shanklin
Substantial reinstatement works would be required immediately beyond Shanklin station. Gardens have been extended into the route before the site of Wroxall station and the route exiting that site towards Ventnor has a small housing development on it. The Southern Water pipes in Ventnor tunnel would have to be rerouted. The cost of reinstating the line would be considerable. Plus there are rumours the class 484s might not last beyond 2030 and a larger fleet of EMUs plus an additional electrical substation would be required.
@@GreenSignals Yes, I think you're right. The matter though comes up fairly frequently. If there was ever going to be a serious plan to extend, the ideal time would have been when the line was awarded £26M in 2019 to upgrade, but it was never considered.
Hello chaps & Steph. Great viewing/listening as always. Regarding the piece relating to the priorities for the new DFT, I couldn't agree more that reliability is the key issue. Frankly, I'm surprised that usage is back to 95% of what it was pre-pandemic. I am not a regular commuter, but I do take the train as much as practical for me. I'd use them even more, but given their unreliability, I'd never take the chance of travelling to an airport on one (especially if the airport on question is Manchester!). This lack of (or even perceived lack of) reliability surely deters many from using the railways in favour of private cars. If Labour can fix that, then I'm sure many more people - me included - would use the trains far more often.
Labour won’t fix it. Only the railway will fix it. What the Government can do is set clear targets and empower the industry to deliver without constant micro-management from Whitehall.
There seems to be many reasons, and, dare I say excuses when using a level crossing. It does seem obvious but here are RED LIGHTS FLASHING before the gates are lowered. It beggars belief how stupid people can be. Otherwise put back the old style gates of years gone by.
Just found you and subscribed. Regarding the level crossing issues. I have never read anywhere about anyone being prosecuted for the misuse of crossings. (Is it a criminal offence??)
When I watched that clip with that couple I honestly was expecting her to be hit by that train. I'm sorry if others disagree but when educating children on railway safety that is definitely the 1 clip they should see as if that doesn't drive it home what will. I'm shocked my 4 Yr old daughter is more better educated on safety when we are at a railway station or level crossing than these adults. Road layouts or not I'm sorry but there isn't any excuses for these drivers they not reading the road ahead
Just discovered this podcast. I'll admit, you got my attention when there were trains involved. But, you kept my attention when you started talking about Wacky Races. I haven't watched that since I was 7. My dad liked Peter Perfect in the Turbo Terrific. I liked the Ant-Hill Mob. Anyway, I'm listening from Buffalo, NY. I am definitely subscribing! Keep up the good work!
Greetings from the UK to Buffalo NY! And thanks for joining Green Signals. You most welcome. Ah, the Ant Hill Mob - loved them too. My challenge however is preventing Nigel from demonstrating his Muttley expression...... Cheers! Richard
On crossing events… what effect has it on the drivers. Even a near miss will make your heart go faster… when the driver comes to the place again is there a fear factor of “not again please.”
So much I could comment on, with some serious and sobering subjects, but the one thing I'll remember for some time is Nigel's lyrical sign off, and Richards priceless reaction. Pure comedy gold 😁 Cheers, Rob
Another great podcast! Covering issues I had dealings with in my career. Listening from my Motorhome currently parked at Harlech. Using the Cambrian line trains to visit heritage railways. The only line at the moment using in Cab signalling albeit an hybrid system.
Regarding the government position on the Bill for the Birmingham - Crewe - Manchester leg of HS2 ( without which the project is only barely viable despite the astonishing amount of money sunk into it ) being "repurposed" to support the East-West HS3, could there be some sleight of hand here? Maybe enough of HS3 would be built so that the gap between Handsacre junction and a theoretical junction between the WCML and HS3 near Warrington could be bridged in a cheap and nasty way by using the WCML? This could give you a sort of HS2.5 ( High Speed from London to Handascre, then onto the WCML at say 100 mph if you are lucky, then onto HS3 near Warrington, then High Speed to Manchester? It's far worse than actually building HS2 to Machester from Brum via Crewe ( and what happened to the two mayors' proposal to raise private funds to build pahe 2A and 2B? ) but better than nothing at all, and the government statement doesn't seem to exclude it. Maybe we'll get a sort of cobbled-together and slower HS2A and 2B by not calling it HS2 but "facilitating HS3" which has far less capacity, but hey we are British and used to too little and too late.
I have a very strong suspicion, based on a number of observations, that the government intend to build some version the western leg of HS2 in it's entirety. But for various political reasons (not least to ensure it doesn't get sabotaged again by a future government) they have not announced this total ambition, and are delivering it in a roundabout way. I'll hold this view until such time as HS2 land is actually offered for sale.
Given your troubles with place name pronunciation you might enjoy this from the great John Finnemore, www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001zlz4?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile
Just to acknowledge that Network Rail previously put out a level crossing misuse video like that but from the West Midlands. That one was even reacted to by an American reaction channel, Reacting to My Roots in the video _American Reacts to Playing on a Level Crossing as Trains Approach in West Midlands, UK_ . Such misuse has even happened in my area of North Ceredigion, Mid Wales region on the Cambrian Line (unfortunately) - ruclips.net/user/clipUgkxGyPdEnsZdVtZnuTEu48vf2cHJMrHKfXP?si=3AZYK1q2Z8IKsst9
I think youd be preaching to an empty audience on crossing misuse. Those that do such stupid things cant be taught. There will always be a few idiots that this nanny state world then has to protect them from themselves even though its not required for 99% of us that know youd lose an argument with 400 tons of train at 100mph.
Privitisation of the railway,s was a botched job, however it had direct benifits. The level of subsidy far outstripped BR, in fact under BR it would not have been possible. Mr Woolmar, a so called rail expert on Talk Radio today entirely missed the point. Until working practices going back to steam day,s are revised, no progress will be made.
@steveworthington930 I wonder what people mean when they talk about working practices that go back to steam days? A lot of the working practices are a function of new equipment and guidance from the ORR. Along with the compliance that was placed on the industry by the Cullen recommendations post Ladbroke grove.
I am glad to see a few comments regarding the drivers experience with all this crossing mis use. I was a little disappointed that that point was not mentioned anywhere in the episode. I do really enjoy the show though so thanks for all your work.
Thanks for another fabulous episodes guys. Great quote from the Hacienda/Granada guy Tony Wilson.
Thanks.
PS. The reduction in available WCML seats post HS2 cancellation should be called the "Sunak Capacity Gap"
People think they’re invincible, but their 12 stone of soggy stuff is no match to 200tonnes of steel and aluminium doing 90mph. The train doesn’t care and won’t notice the demise of the fool who messes with it. The driver however, will have their life changed forever.
I wish Network Rail would change the crossing warnings from ‘Stop, Look, Listen, Beware of Trains.’ to ‘DO NOT CROSS WHEN TRAINS ARE APPROACHING!’
Great show gents, please keep up the good work.
Word well 4 car electrostars are between 161 and 178 tons but near enough 200 tons. So yeah . That force exxagerates when the train is coming at you at 80mph
Kinetic energy is mass x velocity squared / 2. That’s an awful lot of mass travelling at high velocity so a heck of a lot of energy. There’s only going to be one outcome.
@@gapthemind--mindthegap8524Each coach of a train can have 100 passengers plus luggage on board too, which will easily take the unladen weight of an Electrostar to well over 200 tonnes per 4-car unit.
Re level crossing misuse , some folk are just plain stupid , they don't need lessons in it because it comes naturally to them. If you are hit by a train , you either end up with the undertaker or seriously injured for life. It also affects the driver and those who have to deal with the aftermath.
Agreed - it is the poor drivers that one really feels for as well.
Another terrific episode. Watching the instances of level crossing abuse my thoughts went straight to the drivers of those trains knowing there is nothing that they could do. Coming from Scotland a couple of observations about the timetable cuts. The Glasgow/Edinburgh lines can probably absorb the reduction in services but it is the lines north and south of the central belt that are suffering. This week i had the misfortune to travel from Glasgow to Aberdeen on the service that has been cut from 1 train per hour to 1 every 2 hours, a 3 car DMU which was rammed for a near 3 hour journey. Came back by bus. Also last train from Wick/Thuso now leaves 12.30/13.00 instead of 16.00/16.30.
Totally agree. We should really have mentioned the drivers on the show. The trauma they must experience is terrible.
And a 3 car DMU in a 2 hour gap from Aberdeen to Glasgow is madness.
Are half barrier crossings more unsafe that the full width barrier ones.?
Nigel, Richard and Stef - another excellent episode as ever, thank you!
The Network Rail footage of the level crossing misuse along the Wessex route is truly terrifying. I'm afraid that I still fail to understand the mindset of people who are seemingly oblivious to the dangers at these locations and as others have noted, the effect that their actions are bound to have on the driver of an approaching train.
Just over a year ago, I was in the extremely fortunate situation of being able to have an officially organised cab ride. In what was a truly fascinating day out, at one point during the journey, I had something of a taster of what a driver has to contend with. The incident, thankfully, was nowhere near as close as any of the examples shown here, but that isn't to say that it should be treated any less seriously.
We were on our way between Immingham and Knottingley. Unfortunately, I can't remember the exact location, but we were approaching a foot crossing when a man with his dog strolled across in front of us, apparently not caring about the fact that there was close to 130 tonnes of locomotive bearing down on him (we were running light engine).
Having already sounded a horn warning on approach, the driver gave the chap a not-so friendly reminder on the horn as we passed over the crossing where he had been just seconds previously. The chap never even turned round to acknowledge, but simply gave us the customary two-finger salute.
It really brought home the intelligence level of some people, and more to the point, the type of incidents that drivers have to face on what seems to be an alarmingly regular basis.
Thanks Brian
It's a great point as to what drivers have to contend with. I really do feel for the poor driver who experienced the incident at New Fishbourne on the video (which must have been genuinely traumatic) and the incident you described. Harrowing stuff.
Cheers
Richard
@@GreenSignals Many thanks Richard, and yes indeed, the incident at New Fishbourne was heart-in-mouth stuff for all concerned. Like you, I feel especially for the driver and I still don't know how the pair, especially the young girl, escaped with their lives.
I used to drive the Marlow Branch, and there is a foot crossing by the Marlow Rugby Club called Ivory Fields No2 crossing. It is on a tight bend and the line speed is 40mph. I’d left Marlow, speeding up to 40mph, there’s an AWS magnet at about the same point you’re shutting off power, the vigilance is going off, the whistle board for the crossing all happening at once. As I rounded the bend, a woman was standing inside the boundary fence on the crossing with three little terrier dogs, two on leads beside her, and the third off the lead barking at me between the rails. My instant thought was that dog is about to be hit, but the woman ran straight across in front of me chasing the dog off the crossing. I missed her by millimetres. She actually disappeared below my windscreen I was that close. I honestly thought I’d hit her. She disappeared off along the footpath and I had to gather myself before continuing to Bourne End. It really does mess you up as a driver.
I’ve witnessed one fatality right in front of me, though not my train, and that was an awful thing to see. The stupidity of some people really astounds me.
Keep up the good work folks.
I look forward to your podcast every week, such a high quality production with interesting discussion. Thanks guys, keep it up. 😊
That’s so kind! And thanks so much for the Super Thanks - we really do appreciate it.
In answer to Nigels question at 22:12 about where does the earth go. Not sure in HS2 but i know some of the earth dug out for crossrail was used to landscape what will be country parks that usually seem to be former landfill sites
Could automated locking gate-type crossings (like the level crossings of the old days) be a possible solution? They'd be much harder to break through in a car/bike or to be jumped over by pedestrians.
If Royal Mail end using dedicated rail distribution , would this not be an opportunity for them to use Varamis?
Yet another stupendous show gentleman. May your ratings climb to be the highest railway podcast on the planet 😊 All the very best. Iain
Stupendous is a wonderful word. Thanks so much and we concur - here’s to stratospheric ratings!!
Portsmouth Harbour to Ryde? The Solent rail bridge sounds like a massive project but looking at what early rail pioneers accomplished there's no reason why it won't be possible with modern construction technology.
I think the real issue is likely to be cost / benefit.
Having found your channel by accident and found it to be really informative. Now I am not a railway engineer but a casual follower of the railways system as a heavy use before the keyboard warriors get worked up. It would be interesting to check the amount of Crossing incidents with those with Stations that were maned and those that had Signal boxes that are used to close the gates manually, coupled with the fact there were 4 gates, not half gates is it this case again of relying too much on technology whereas boots on the ground can be more effective in stopping miss use & trespass I am talking Village Stations etc. Not Terminals Also is it not possible that in rural areas that have pedestrians crossing the gates lock as a train approaches as well as the light on the gate which gives a red light that is often vandalised. Finally, on a lighter note can someone explain why the Flying Scotsman is the Most famous engine in the world? If you went to say Easter Island and gave a picture to the locals would they know what the locomotive I think not? In fact, going closer to home would anyone in the crowds when FSM is in a station know the answer to this also. So is the loco Famous for being Famous? Remember it is an Engine named after a train not the other way around. It was like Mallard again famous for its speed record but Coronation held the record on its return journey from its record-breaking run which I understand still holds the record today for the first sustained run for a steam Engine but that's forgotten and never mentioned. I do agree that FSCM does keep the public interested in Steam and helps to kindle interest in all things Railway for the younger generation on which we rely especially on heritage railways' survival.
Trains with "little smiley faces" are Class 365, ex-Networker Express Units. The Class 325 Royal Mail Units whilst having the same front/rear cab ends, are not of Networker design. They are acually similar to Class 319 ex Thameslink units. So spares from "little smiley faces" units will be of no use.
Another cracking show team!
The safe use of level crossings is ultimately down to the user, period. There isn't a person alive who doesn't know that bells, barriers, lights etc mean 'danger'.
Railway companies can only do so much, the rest is down to Darwinism.
Education is critical which is why Network Rail and the rail industry more widely quite rightly invest in it.
Many years ago I used to spend a lot of time at night trainspotting on Basingstoke station with my then lodger. We knew the staff very well, and would have some great laughs during our time there.
One night, our friend on the station control point set up an announcement on the PA stating ‘A replacement bus service is in operation between Portsmouth Harbour and Ryde Pier Head due to flooding on the line.’
I have been to the Isle of Wight but never used the railway. It is one of my must do things for the future.
Excellent!
I really do think people should go and see the IOW. Absolutely lovely, right on the doorstep really and it feels like an adventure when travelling there (in the best way!)
Although those people featured in the crossings misuse videos got away with their lives, the subsequent disruption due to the poor driver who will have witnessed such stupidity having to be relieved after the event would have likely been significant.
Completely agree Stephen. How they cope sometimes is beyond me.
Gentlemen, what is your view on Southeastern Trains' and Network Rail's planned idea of cutting services on the Medway Valley Line so that Network Rail can carry out maintenance during day light hours?
The level crossing issue is a tricky one. Some folks mindset is never going to be changed, no matter what NR do. A bit like pedestrian crossings on roads, people can't be bothered to walk the extra 10 yards to the crossing and wait, so just wander across the road into traffic...
I know but still - got to keep trying. Education. Education. Education!
Thank you Nigel and Richard for another fantastic show. As a response to your kings speach topic; I seriously feel the railfreight sector should supported to expand and improve, but at the same time left out of the rationalisation plans.
It's the passenger sector that needs improving and ticket prices to be reduced.
Thanks Robert
Thanks from us all at The Independent Brigg Line Rail Group.
Well done highlighting the level crossings especially with the school holidays coming up.
That’s so kind, thank you - really appreciate it.
And yes, critical time of year with school holidays upon us.
Perhaps the half barriers are a sort of invitation for pedestrians in a hurry. I don't think they exist in the country I live in. All the barriers should be complete whole road barriers in my view.
It is a point quite a few people have made.
Good evening Nigel Richard & not forgetting Steff 🤩 Level crossing miss use must be an absolute nightmare and so glad Green Signals covered this very important topic 👍🏻 My daughter is a BTP officer in Manchester and has unfortunately had to clear up the aftermath of fatalities on many occasion and it’s so sad 😢 Great Pod RUclips channel as always and always look forward to a Thursday just like when my rail magazine dropped through my letterbox 👍🏻
Cheers Stevie - so glad you love the show. We are planning even bigger and better things!
You have covered, in shocking detail, the safety issues re level crossings - this has a cost (what is the value these days of an 'equivqlent fatality'?) as does the distress to the train-drivers involved. There is another issue, which is that level crossings restrict the number of trains - and buses for that matter. Some examples: in London - Acton, Mortlake, Barnes; on Coastway West - Chichester, Shoreham, Portslade; all of these are on lines which - if getting people out of cars and on to trains and buses is an acknowledged aim - should have tube-style frequencies. So, to the costs saved by replacing a crossing, can be added the extra income - plus the community benefits (climate, congestion, air-quality etc.) of getting more people on to public transport. Closing level crossings also helps freight - both rail and road.
So glad that Louise Haigh has included integrating transport networks in her priorities. Getting buses and trains to work together should be a no-brainer - cheap and in theory simple: just get some top shakers and movers together, make them discuss and commit to getting buses and trains to connect properly. Just in case no one has thought to do it, here is a quick 'How to do Integration' guide:
Place (make interchanges easy and worry-free - see the London tube)
Ticketing (through ticketing - all journeys, all modes)
Publicity (everything from way-finding to social media)
Timing (bleedin' obvious)
and - Staff at interchanges, to advise and help when things go wrong
If you do all that, you should have: A - happy passengers B - more passengers C - more revenue
Thanks - some great points. Not sure about the equivalent ‘value of life’ calcs these days but might be worth some research…….
Royal Mail Class 325 fleet built by ABB (subsequently became Adtranz) at Litchurch Lane Derby, 1995-6. Steel body version of Networker (many parts probably in common with Class 365 / 465). I was involved with communication system design / supply and in that respect can confirm functional compatibility with EMU Networkers. However, some additional parts - fire detection, security system and roller cargo doors not found on Networkers, no windows but structure allows modification. I remember original design requirements included a capability to convert into passenger stock which I recall was consider when they were previously redundant, but not economically viable. In summary, spares shouldn't be a problem!
The traction system for Class 325 was a refresh of GEC Alsthom Traction's dual voltage (750v/25kV) DC traction system from Class 319, rather than the AC traction system supplied by GEC Alsthom for Class 365, which I presume means that the bogies and main transformer are also from Class 319. So the spares position is more complex than previously suggested, with Class 319/769 also a potential source of spares, and the DC traction system may explain why the train is considered more expensive to maintain
Some excellent knowledge here folks! And yea, it sounds slightly more complex than first thought.
Bloomin hell the level crossing near misses are frightening! Thinking of the poor drivers seeing it! I honestly don’t understand it when there’s barriers and nee-naw signs!
Yes, the drivers involved must find that all very traumatic.
Fascinating and informative as always, thank you. On a very trivial note, I was distracted by the "dandruff" flecks on Tim's microphone, and I kept wishing I could reach over and flick them off! Nigel's, however, was immaculate!
We will ensure the mics are fuzz free in future!!
The signal protecting Farnham level crossing on the down is quite a distance in advance of the crossing, hence the barriers are down longer than they would be, had they installed an intermediate signal when the area was re-controlled.
Thanks Simon. Some really useful context and local knowledge.
Richard again from W. Canada, Your chat with Sam of N.R. and later your comments about the terrible misuse of level crossings, I was surprised that you never mentioned the effect that it must have on the poor train drivers' seeing a disaster about to happened of which they have no control. Just my thought, keep up the good work.
That’s a very fair point Richard. We talked about it afterwards. Will be highlighting the point next week. Cheers.
Hello, where exactly is the Graham Eccles interview on your site please.
It's quite early on before we started using image based thumbnails. So if you go onto RUclips and click on the Videos tab, scroll down to nearly the beginning and it is an episode entitled Strikes, Skills and Suitcases
Graham is always great value!.
Road lay out has nothing to do with it, its simple stupidy and ignorance, when i was 13 on a cross country school walk to Beauly we came across an unmanned pedestrian crossing having left the slower class mates behind, we knew to stop and wait for the group and to look both ways before crossing, playing on the tracks was the last thing on our minds because we knew the danger.
This is the problem with the nanny state and cotton wool kids, they cant assess the dangers around them and so these things happen.
Bring back the 80s horror ads showing the results of being so stupid, they work
Education is critical and agree - sometimes need to shock to get the message across.
What are your views on the application for a third platform at Salford? Is it a sticking plaster or a l9ng term fix?
If I’m honest, I was not aware of the proposal. Will have to have a look!
Level crossing misuse, it natures way of improving the gene pool!
Loved Nigel's guest presentation for 'Unions Loving It' on TalkTV!
The UK needs HS3 (sometimes called Northern Powerhouse Rail). But it does not need it "instead of HS2 Phase 2b". We need both things.
The cancellation of HS2 should have been used as an opportunity to replace HS2 with a high speed rail system that was both north and south facing.
I am totally frustrated that nothing seems to being done about the northern extension to HS2.
Is the land sell off still going ahead?
I really hope not
We covered HS2 Phase 2 in this week’s show a bit. I’m afraid it’s not looking great……
That footage from the level crossings is incredible how people survive in daily life ! Darwin Award winners all of them
It's the Drivers that need our support dread to think what those do to the heart rates.
Agree that for the drivers, it is really traumatic.
Thanks
Thanks Stephen - really appreciate the Super Thanks!
Always great to be kept uptodate by the green signallers. Regarding the island line what happened to the proposed rail tunnel to Portsmouth? Surely that would be a game changer. Level crossing misuse is crazy but many people have the attitude that gates and lights do not apply to them. For cars was there not a study to see if normal traffic lights would confuse drivers less? Good stuff as ever.
Cheers Allan. I think we will ask about the tunnel when Network Rail come in the show - but I’m guessing cost / benefit could be a big factor!
Good day to you gent's, l love watching your shows every week, I can't but notice that you mention Burnley in your shows afew times where I reside, I think that you,ll be aware of the closed line between Colne and Skipton and how S,E,L,R,A,P have been campaigning for years to reopen it , what is your take on this topic (will it happen) thanks guys , keep up the great work 👍.
An interesting question indeed. Nigel is from Burnley and although I am originally from Oldham, I went to school in Blackburn so we both know the line well.
Personally, I am more dubious as to the benefits of reopening than Nigel is. But whatever the benefit case is, I fear the reality of public finances is such that the chance of it reopening in the near future is extremely low.
However, we are looking to do a show in the near future on some potential reopenings and I suspect Colne - Skipton may well feature!
Cheers
Richard
@GreenSignals Thanks for your response, l,ll look forward your forthcoming shows, great work guys 👍.
The wishlist at 51.48 (ship from Portsmouth run by what was BR), trains to Ventnor and Cowes, was the everyday reality when I was a child on holiday there in the 1960s. Steam was the motive power, even one of the ships was a paddle steamer!
Lovely memories Julian!
As a relatively new viewer still trying to catch up on all your episodes, I have to congratulate you on this latest one! It encompasses many of my own interests and whilst I really want to comment about the Island Line works (I visit the IoW frequently) I can't ignore the opportunity to comment on the shocking piece about misuse of level crossings. I think you were maybe too 'generous' towards those risking their lives - I mean, how stupid do you need to be when faced with red signals, blaring klaxons and physical barriers to think that there isn't danger present?! It cannot surely be blamed on eg 'road layouts' etc. as mentioned?! Talk of 'education' is all very well, but I do hope that that includes an element of shock tactics, ie the frequent use of those shocking video clips? I also think it's worth mentioning the horrendous effect these incidents must have on the train drivers involved! As for the Island Line, it has never recovered from the cessation of the old rolling stock in early 2021 (not 2020 as stated incidentally). Every single period of downtime since then has lasted longer than intended and the excuses given have not resulted in public confidence (I have frequently had contact with the former MP of the Island on the matter), and as a feature of the new £10M 'Ryde Transport Interchange', which it is, has not delivered the promised benefits, eg a half hour rail service etc. It is now left with a quite bizarre '3 trains per 2 hours' service which hardly ever meets the passenger ferry (FastCat) at the end of the pier, resulting in long waits for the trains to turn up, or long waits for the ferry if you've got there by train. I will look forward to SWR/Network Rail comments on your programme. It's a fabulous railway and deserves more attention! (Nigel, especially for you - ruclips.net/video/a81aJVhBmMo/видео.html )
For the island line falling to extend the the line into Newport was because they wanted the steam railway to pay the costs to extend in to Newport wich who cost a lot, cutting down trees, rebuilding Bridges and a new station for Newport. Not that long ago one of the old railway Bridges was pulled down (it wasn't used anymore). And where who a station go in Newport now and be available to extend to Cowes. The steam railway doesn't want island line running over the line because all of the steam locos will need to be fitted with safe systems (AWS and TPWS), all staff trained to be safe around a 3rd rail, and if island line ran over the steam railway line that it could will kill off the steam railway.
Yes, extending the Island Line over the steam railway tracks would be fraught with problems, and even if it wasn't, an extension to Cowes would be beset by an inability to find a suitable route for the track. I think that the only possibility to extend the line would be to Ventnor, maybe, but even then, the location of the station would be well away from the town centre and would require a good bus link. I'd be happy with a more reliable Island Line over the existing route, with an end to constant closures of the pier, and an attempt to time the rail service better to meet the FastCat and even the hovercraft, with enough time to get between the two! Since the reopening in 2021,, they have cut down the available time between ferry and train departures, with many people, including me, left stranded at the pier head because the ferry has been slightly late in arriving! An 'interchange' as it is now deemed does not always ring true.
@@NewCityMedia the line to Ventnor is the only option for a extension as the the line isn't built on apart from Ventnor Station and a bit of a holiday park at Shanklin
Some good points on this thread. I suspect the Island Line we have today is what it is going to remain.
Substantial reinstatement works would be required immediately beyond Shanklin station. Gardens have been extended into the route before the site of Wroxall station and the route exiting that site towards Ventnor has a small housing development on it. The Southern Water pipes in Ventnor tunnel would have to be rerouted. The cost of reinstating the line would be considerable. Plus there are rumours the class 484s might not last beyond 2030 and a larger fleet of EMUs plus an additional electrical substation would be required.
@@GreenSignals Yes, I think you're right. The matter though comes up fairly frequently. If there was ever going to be a serious plan to extend, the ideal time would have been when the line was awarded £26M in 2019 to upgrade, but it was never considered.
Thanks from Ian
Always enjoy your broadcasts
Thanks Ian. Really, really appreciate your SuperThanks!
Hello chaps & Steph. Great viewing/listening as always.
Regarding the piece relating to the priorities for the new DFT, I couldn't agree more that reliability is the key issue. Frankly, I'm surprised that usage is back to 95% of what it was pre-pandemic. I am not a regular commuter, but I do take the train as much as practical for me. I'd use them even more, but given their unreliability, I'd never take the chance of travelling to an airport on one (especially if the airport on question is Manchester!).
This lack of (or even perceived lack of) reliability surely deters many from using the railways in favour of private cars.
If Labour can fix that, then I'm sure many more people - me included - would use the trains far more often.
Labour won’t fix it. Only the railway will fix it. What the Government can do is set clear targets and empower the industry to deliver without constant micro-management from Whitehall.
@@GreenSignals Yeah, I'd agree with that.
There seems to be many reasons, and, dare I say excuses when using a level crossing. It does seem obvious but here are RED LIGHTS FLASHING before the gates are lowered. It beggars belief how stupid people can be. Otherwise put back the old style gates of years gone by.
It does seem as if a fair amount of common sense is lacking. Education is key.
Just found you and subscribed. Regarding the level crossing issues. I have never read anywhere about anyone being prosecuted for the misuse of crossings. (Is it a criminal offence??)
Excellent, welcome Chris!
When I watched that clip with that couple I honestly was expecting her to be hit by that train. I'm sorry if others disagree but when educating children on railway safety that is definitely the 1 clip they should see as if that doesn't drive it home what will.
I'm shocked my 4 Yr old daughter is more better educated on safety when we are at a railway station or level crossing than these adults.
Road layouts or not I'm sorry but there isn't any excuses for these drivers they not reading the road ahead
I wonder if my4yr old is your youngest listener she does like to sit with me if I'm listening to you on RUclips in the evenings
Fantastic to hear Anthony. If you let us know her name, we'll be sure to give her a shout out on the show!
@@GreenSignals her name is Mary-Faye thomas
Just discovered this podcast. I'll admit, you got my attention when there were trains involved. But, you kept my attention when you started talking about Wacky Races.
I haven't watched that since I was 7. My dad liked Peter Perfect in the Turbo Terrific. I liked the Ant-Hill Mob.
Anyway, I'm listening from Buffalo, NY. I am definitely subscribing! Keep up the good work!
Greetings from the UK to Buffalo NY! And thanks for joining Green Signals. You most welcome.
Ah, the Ant Hill Mob - loved them too.
My challenge however is preventing Nigel from demonstrating his Muttley expression......
Cheers! Richard
Get rid of level crossing barriers and bring back crossing GATES
talking to sam ppeede about the stampead of level crossing misuse i think the increase is mostly do to increase documrntatioin due to cctv systems.
How many London buses fit into a single Olympic sized swimming pool?
Literally no idea - but I am talking to HS2 tomorrow so will ask!
Great video.
Cheers!
i am listening from montreal canada.
And you are very welcome to the Green family!
On crossing events… what effect has it on the drivers. Even a near miss will make your heart go faster… when the driver comes to the place again is there a fear factor of “not again please.”
It's a good question. It must be really traumatic. You are quite right to point out the impact on the driver.
So much I could comment on, with some serious and sobering subjects, but the one thing I'll remember for some time is Nigel's lyrical sign off, and Richards priceless reaction. Pure comedy gold 😁 Cheers, Rob
I mean, "when the digital buffer stops hove into view". He's definitely on something! 😄
R
Sad that the Network Rail think cost is more important than safety on the crossing piece :(
I don't think that's what he said. There is a trade off as funding is always a constrained matter - but it is also why education is so key.
Another great podcast! Covering issues I had dealings with in my career. Listening from my Motorhome currently parked at Harlech.
Using the Cambrian line trains to visit heritage railways. The only line at the moment using in Cab signalling albeit an hybrid system.
Thanks so much Chris, this is really kind of you. Hope you're having a lovely time visiting the local railways!
I was recommended the crossing video the other day. Stupid and scary stuff.
Agreed.
go to be here for another ep. hope you guys are having a good day
Definitely had a great day! Spent much of it planning for next week's show!
@@GreenSignals great news!
your comment around 56min id very much like to hear your comments on this. (im totally not listening again)
Think of train drivers and there health with people on tracks driver’s family RW
Absolutely Ray. It’s a very traumatic experience for the driver and all staff affected.
we have created a generation of people with very little sense, !!
I think there have always been similar issues - Education is critical.
Regarding the government position on the Bill for the Birmingham - Crewe - Manchester leg of HS2 ( without which the project is only barely viable despite the astonishing amount of money sunk into it ) being "repurposed" to support the East-West HS3, could there be some sleight of hand here?
Maybe enough of HS3 would be built so that the gap between Handsacre junction and a theoretical junction between the WCML and HS3 near Warrington could be bridged in a cheap and nasty way by using the WCML?
This could give you a sort of HS2.5 ( High Speed from London to Handascre, then onto the WCML at say 100 mph if you are lucky, then onto HS3 near Warrington, then High Speed to Manchester? It's far worse than actually building HS2 to Machester from Brum via Crewe ( and what happened to the two mayors' proposal to raise private funds to build pahe 2A and 2B? ) but better than nothing at all, and the government statement doesn't seem to exclude it.
Maybe we'll get a sort of cobbled-together and slower HS2A and 2B by not calling it HS2 but "facilitating HS3" which has far less capacity, but hey we are British and used to too little and too late.
It does feel very British doesn't it. 'cobbled together' and 'cheap and nasty' were phrases that sprung to mind for me as well.
I have a very strong suspicion, based on a number of observations, that the government intend to build some version the western leg of HS2 in it's entirety. But for various political reasons (not least to ensure it doesn't get sabotaged again by a future government) they have not announced this total ambition, and are delivering it in a roundabout way. I'll hold this view until such time as HS2 land is actually offered for sale.
We need more bridges/underpasses. If people are too stupid for level crossings we need to accept that and build accordingly.
Given your troubles with place name pronunciation you might enjoy this from the great John Finnemore,
www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001zlz4?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile
Excellent!
Just to acknowledge that Network Rail previously put out a level crossing misuse video like that but from the West Midlands.
That one was even reacted to by an American reaction channel, Reacting to My Roots in the video _American Reacts to Playing on a Level Crossing as Trains Approach in West Midlands, UK_ .
Such misuse has even happened in my area of North Ceredigion, Mid Wales region on the Cambrian Line (unfortunately) - ruclips.net/user/clipUgkxGyPdEnsZdVtZnuTEu48vf2cHJMrHKfXP?si=3AZYK1q2Z8IKsst9
Thanks and you are quite correct - Network Rail have been great at publicising the misuse at level crossings.
Anthony H. Wilson. Has to be.
Correct answer and winner announced next week!
I think youd be preaching to an empty audience on crossing misuse. Those that do such stupid things cant be taught. There will always be a few idiots that this nanny state world then has to protect them from themselves even though its not required for 99% of us that know youd lose an argument with 400 tons of train at 100mph.
We can but try though......
Class 325s were mechanically similar to class 319s.
Thanks.
Privitisation of the railway,s was a botched job, however it had direct benifits. The level of subsidy far outstripped BR, in fact under BR it would not have been possible. Mr Woolmar, a so called rail expert on Talk Radio today entirely missed the point. Until working practices going back to steam day,s are revised, no progress will be made.
@steveworthington930 I wonder what people mean when they talk about working practices that go back to steam days?
A lot of the working practices are a function of new equipment and guidance from the ORR. Along with the compliance that was placed on the industry by the Cullen recommendations post Ladbroke grove.
Do you have a list of these steam day working practices? I suspect you would be surprised how small the list is…..
@GreenSignals No! but I do have a 1975 Condition of Service book.
If that bloke's mates don't call him Stam, there's something very wrong with the world.
Very droll. 🤦♂️
Sorry had to laugh at the 2 cyclists not getting out of each others way!
Of course the correct answer is that we should not have level crossings in the first place. But that would cost money to fix.
I’m afraid we still have a significant historical legacy that does take time and money to resolve. In the meantime, education is key.
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Thanks so much James, that's really kind of you.
No worries @@GreenSignals have you seen the new GB Rail Transition website? It's rather good.
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Thanks Richard - much appreciated!