A mechanic like wizard is pretty rare these days. Instead of just replacing everything which could make a noise, a investigation like this is gold worth. As always a great job 👍🏻
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Gotta deep dive in some cars, you could have 4-5 parts that are legitimately worn out, upper controll arms, lower controll arms, sway bar links, bushings. All things that you check over and they all might not be perfect as it's not brand new but you go after the easier ones or the most worn out ones, because you can't just throw a couple thousand dollar bill at them without trying to help them out.
Time spent on inspecting each individual component is not always factible and or acceptable by the costumer. Specially when you(customer) pay more on finding the problem than buying the part[s] and fixing it.
Thank you so much Wizard for the waterpump warning. I was about to buy this same vehicle with 140000 miles. Checked for weep hole leak and sure enough, there it was! Dude you just saved my ass from a huge mess and a ton of money that I could not afford to lose. Great advice. Thank you so much Wizard! You da man!!!
And it’s dishonest Lincoln. It’s not the honest Abe we know and Ford’s Lincoln division was named after Abraham Lincoln himself. That’s what I call the Lincolns that are junk like the Continental, MKZ, MKT, etc.
Watching the growth of this channel has been awesome. So many car youtubers are insufferable and hard to watch, I really appreciate the low key and relaxed presentation. I’ve learned a ton and it’s been enjoyable! Wizard is really getting the hang of being in front of the camera!! Cant wait to see what’s in store for the future!
I just recently sold my 2012 Lincoln MKZ just because of the POSSIBILITY of a bad water pump. I was able to sell it back to the dealer (Lincoln) that I purchased it from as a "lease turn-in" in 2015 with 49000 miles on clock. I REALLY loved this vehicle and kept it my "sunny day" car, had not a single problem with it from 12-2015 to 4-2019, although I had only put 4000 miles on it. Loved this car so much, I was afraid of taking it out on the freeway for fear of getting "road rash" from semis! But, when I heard about the water pump "mess", it almost sent chills down my spine, so I HAD to get rid of it!! I found out about the problem 3 years ago on the "Ford Tech Makaloco" channel. This is why I LOVE RUclips!
@@MrDave9111ive got an 08 taurus with the original waterpump at over 239k miles. atp if it went, i would just get a new car, but i never understood people being so afraid of that issue as to not drive them. its never broken down on me, although i just had the struts replaced due to the same clunking issue mentioned in this video
@@MrDave9111 It's not that simple especially for people who don't have a lot of money. Unless you've saved up for it you will be in big trouble when the water pump fails. It is easily an over $2,000 job with the timing chain replacement included. The MKZ is not a vehicle you can just pop new parts in and prolong its life span. It is a vehicle you MUST purchase new, or with less than 100,000 miles. It is meant to be driven and discarded prior to reaching 150,000. Anyone who chooses to drive one of these cars beyond that is asking for big trouble later.
@@1977TA Have you priced new cars recently? A $700/month payment is not unusual. So pay $2000 for the repair and drive the car for another 100K miles. That's only 3 months of payments. If you can't pony up $2000 for repairs you certainly shouldn't be buying a new car! Used cars are the way to go. My 2007's water pump will start leaking. I keep a gallon of coolant in the trunk, that cost me $10. When it starts leaking, I drive it home and refill the coolant along the way. I tear the car apart and replace the pump, change, etc. That will be a two day job for me. Then I drive it for another 50-100K. Zero payments. Cheap insurance. I have more than one car, so that is not a problem. The person who traded in their car because they were "afraid" at 49K miles? Gimmee a break. That was a really, really poor decision. The MKZ is like many cars, some of the repair bills can be high. But this cars engine has been known to go 300K+ miles without major issues. I don't consider a water pump to be a major issue. Yes, the repair is pricy, but its not a major engine issue. One thing you can do to help prolong the life of your water pump is to change out part of the engine coolant. You need to use the better coolant. The best deal I have found is the coolant they sell at Menards. It has the proper certification and it was about $15/gal. So I replaced about 1 1/2 gallons of coolant. Really easy job. There is a drain valve on the radiator at the drivers end of it. Just need to follow the procedure to purge the air out of the system when refilling it. Info is on RUclips. For my $, the MKZ is a bargain. Its fast. I hit the gas hard the other day and found myself slowing down through 110 mph! Yikes! Faster than I need. And its fuel efficient. It also has very high quality paint on it with a leather interior and ice cold AC. What's not to like?
Many years ago I rebuilt water pumps. Rebuilt means I used old core housings and put in new bearing and seals with sometimes new hubs and impellers. More than a few times I saw where people who had the original pump housing with a pencil broken off in the "weep hole" (which was made to show the seal was bad and it was time to change it. kinda like wear indicators make noise for brakes). It didn't fix anything, but it stopped the leak until eventually the water pump self-destructed. Back then water pumps weren't usually mated to a timing chain or belt, so if it failed it wasn't nearly as much of an issue. I became a mechanic later for years and I've seen the "evolution" of engineering and how it became ease and cheapness of assembly that made simple parts replacements a major deal. Even if you need more computer diagnosis than before, what used to be fairly simple parts replacements are much more involved now; with tools and specific information needed. To me, real advancement come from simplicity and that doesn't make anyone as much money just like curing diseases doesn't make as much money as treating them. That's my rant for the day.
The more of these videos I watch, the more I realize how bad and/or disinterested some of the mechanics have been that I've been dealing with over the past 30 or so years.
Wooww that's way too expensive man, I live here in Mexico city, I had the same issue with my fusion, I got a new water pump just for 40 bucks and the mechanic charged another 35 for replacement, total $75. I guess you must be angry now man.
Is the overexageration 2500 for a water pump you got ripped off, the replace the water pump and timing chains should cost no more than 1600 dollars all car need timing repair and new water pump witch is expensive on any vehicle.
Wizard put together a list of automobile engines that use that god awful timing chain water pump configuration, I will NEVER purchase a car with that kind of set up.
Ford 3.5 and 3.7 unless a Mustang or F-150. Nissan 3.5 VQ. GM Ecotec 2.4 are just a few to mention. Some vehicles have timing chain driven water pumps and usually never fail. The Ecotec 2.4 comes to mind.
I took into consideration the water pump on the 3.5 and I still got a 13 mkz. Of course I have the Ford shop manual to assist me replacing it when the time comes. I don't care. I just love how the car looks.
Oh man, thank you Mr. Wizard. I've been having a horrific clunk in my 1999 Ford Ka for a while now. I've gotten a new sway bar and links 9 months ago and last shop owner said my wishbone bushing was shot, we changed it and it didn't helped, It was actually shot, he tried pushing on the struts as you did, no, not a single movement or a small clunk. I tried pushing my struts and springs at full travel, nope, it never did the sound going straight as long as i literally crash into the bump. I generally heard the sound when I was pushing the brakes mostly, especially heard it turning during downhill pushing brakes or making sharp left right in gravel roads using brakes often or turning the steering wheel fast, I loved agressive trail brake turning in my car but I stopped doing that as that horrifying noise started and sound like my entire front left end is gonna fall apart. I was not suspected by the calipers and I was thinking of some sort of flange that holds the exhaust. I tried the calipers today and BOOM! Horrific movement to left and right with clunking, it wasn't up and down but rather lateral, it makes it loudly as I turn the wheel fast and hard as it moved with momentum and kept hitting all over the place clunking. I got the problem sorted. Thank you so much again sir. Greetings and love from Turkey.
This channel helps me because I only buy used cars that always have interesting issues pop up that I try to isolate on my own before going to the mechanic.
Mr. Wizard, if you are like me, the newer the car you are working on, the more cusswords that are yelled out and the less affection you have for the subject of your attentions. What I enjoy and respect most about you is that you seem to treat customer's cars as if you owned them. You take the time to fully check out & diagnose problems, you come up with alternatives if you can, and you are realistic with customers about how much it will likely cost them, down the road. I work on my own cars exclusively, mostly because it is rare to run across a shop in my area that will do any of those things that come so naturally to you. I'm slow - likely far slower than you - but my work is always solid and I almost never have to do it twice. My daily ride is a 2012 Chrysler minivan. Not because it's the best car in the world, but because I restore antique radios on the side and it can haul a lot of that sort of stuff and generally do it better than a pickup. 2012 is just about the end of the line for cars being serviceable by self-taught wrenchers like myself. As an electrical engineer, the simple electronics in that Chrysler are repairable and not that challenging. There is plenty of documentation, even for repairing drivetrain management computers, etc. I would hate like hell to have to work on my wife's 2020 Hyundai Santa Fe! No way, no how! Thank you for what you do! I watch all the time to help me keep my head on straight when I work on my cars. You are an excellent teacher and yours is one of the best RUclips channels out there! Cheers! Michael in Nephi, Utah, USA.
On my 2004 Pacifica bought with 194k kms on it, the clunking was caused by the front struts. And the sway bar links. And the sway bar bushings. And the lower control arm bushings. And the rear lower control arm bushings. I basically replaced the whole suspension. Say, did you know new Monroe specialty rear shocks for this car have no warranty? I know that now!
One thing I feel super lucky about, because I didn’t know about chain driven water pumps when I bought my car? My Mazda is not set up that way. Water pump gets its own serpentine belt, completely independent of the main accessory belt; I’m actually having both replaced tomorrow as a preventative maintenance job
The part he fails to mention is that most Edge's with the 3.5 will go 200000 to 300000 miles without a problem. Don't drive the shit out of it and they last a long time without issue. A new Edge now comes with a 2.0L 4 cylinder, which won't last as long.
Yes, the 3.5 and 3.7 motors are very reliable; however, the water pump makes these car very scary to own. Water pumps are parts that go out on all makes and models, so every one of these motors WILL have this issue eventually. Very unfortunate, for an otherwise great motor.
I have a 2011 Ford Edge with this same 3.5 V6. I had what we believed to be head gasket failure at 201k miles. We decided to spend $700 on a used motor and 3 days of work instead of buying a new car since it was already paid off. I’ve put 4K more miles on it and it’s been problem free so far. I love the car and will drive it until this motor fails.
thankfully i work at a ford dealer myself and i can do this with only having to pay for is parts. ive seen a couple of these get either towed in or come in for diagnosis and see the milk shake on the oil cap and i know that its probably too late. Amazingly enough ive seen 1 or 2 people pay out of pocket to have the water pump and timing chains done
Had this same water pump issue on a 2011. As it turned out, My local, Reputable mechanic would not even take on the job to replace it. Chance of engine damage was to high for them to be willing to take the risk. Between the labor and cost of parts to replace the timing components and water pump, It was only a few hundred dollars more to buy another used motor with much lower miles and a warranty and have them swap it in. Still going strong 3 years and 26k miles later but I definitely agree with Wizard in regards to these things being time bombs.
That is an insane amount of labor for a water pump. Like 6 bolts and 15 minutes, and I can have the pump on my C5 Corvette pulled. I had to pull it as part of an AC compressor replacement. It was so easy, I didn't even bother getting a new one even though it was already off.
Mrs. Wizard ... Don't worry, you will get more relaxed over time, just look back at the early wizard vid's , Having fun is the most important ingredient to making the videos you guys provide. And with 306K subs , it appears i'm not the only one who enjoys the hard work your team go thru to make us happy subscribers.
Another spooky internet mystery: I looked at a 2014 Lincoln MKZ on a dealer website yesterday, and then lo and behold you post a video on one. There is a difference; the car has a 3.7L V6. Curiously they add an "Installed Options" section by itself on the page that says: ENGINE: 3.7L TI-VCT V6 (MSRP: $1,230). The car has 79K miles and they want $10,800. I'm guessing it has a water pump leak LOL Thank you for your videos that mysteriously relate to cars I am viewing.
At that mileage you're gambling. That water pump might go another 100k or might fail much sooner. Roomate has a Mazda CX9 with this engine and he's at 130k miles. No water pump issues yet.
@@DJR5280 Yeah it's all a gamble. My '13 Taurus water pump started pissing last year at about 155k, I went ahead and paid the $2k since that was the 1st big repair the car has ever asked me for.. My dad has an '11 Ford Flex that he's had since new with about 120-130k miles and has never needed a water pump. It's just the luck of the draw.
Love this video format! Please keep making these. Need to do the control arms and sway bar links on our X5. The most illusive problem was probably the electronic water pump on this one. Thought I saw a leak somewhere else and started replacing hoses, but ended up being the very difficult to get to water pump, very expensive to replace.
This is the most informative and to the point RUclips channel in a very long time. I love you knowledge about any engine, any make and model. Great videos. I saw ur videos after watching Hoovies garage video.
Here in Estonia this lincoln is a rare car that only a enthusiast buys for use as daily driver. So paying up for a fix like this is not that bad. Also the shop i take my car to has a fianance company working with them that helps with paying for bigger jobs. Fianance company pays for the job and you pay the fianance company in installments.
I did my own waterpump in my 2009 Flex, it was 29 hours of work including coolant flush, thermostat, all chains, guides, tensioner. There is another weep hole that dumps coolant into the open valley of the intake manifold area.
oh my god i was just looking to buy a car just like this one before changing my mind and switch to Toyota Camry V6 . that was my local mechanic advice !!! i buy used so good engineering and reliability. is a must ... thanks for the video 👍🏽
These car makers have been ripping off the public for decades with planned obsolescence. While it's under warranty the dealers make a fortune doing repairs and servicing. After the warranty runs out, the resale value tanks, and the repair costs outweigh the market value, so the customer cuts their losses and buys a new car. The sooner these legacy makers go out of business, the better.
Agreed. And in the end it doesn't pay off for the carmakers who still do this. The domestic Big 3 have lost a ton of marketshare compared to the Japanese for this very reason. I have a 2013 Taurus 3.5L and it's been reliable for 130k miles, but after watching this video and getting schooled on the impending doom my engine is going to be facing, it'll be my last Ford.
Cars in the mid-90s to mid-00s were a really good mix of reliability and ease of repair. Most systems had been worked on for decades (EFI and coil packs being huge ones) and were almost dead reliable. Werent that many computer modules all over the car either. Then engineers went nuts drawing stuff in AutoCAD and never working on it hands on, and then threw on direct injection, turbos, and electronics on top for good measure. There are a lot of very reliable cars out there now, but some of the stuff we see is real who-the-fuck-engineered-this nightmare fuel.
I've had a 2011 Mustang 3.7L V6, a 2012 Mustang 3.7L V6, and 2014 Mustang 3.7L V6. All three have had the water pumps replaced under warranty. Part of the warranty is a replacement up drain hose from the over flow reservoir which they add a check valve in. At least with this model it is different from the 3.5L V6's in these FWD cars as the water pump is external and easy to replace.
I have a Ford Edge 3.5 , the coolant mixed into the oil when the water pump failed , replaced the water pump and timing set , did multiple oil changes on it ,and it’s fine I drive it daily , the car wizard is 100 percent right it’s a huge job and not a easy one .
@@terry-zi7eh Exactly. The water pumps in these motors is usually what takes them out, same with the old Chrysler 2.7's... You basically have to treat the water pumps like a maintenance item and replace them BEFORE they fail if you want to save your motor smh.
I have a 2007 Edge with the 3.5. I did the pump at about 100,000 miles. Lucky for me I noticed the leak because they leak internally into the oil and will total your engine if bad enough. I fixed it and now have 150K miles on it. I also change coolant every 30K miles. Ford calls it lifetime coolant. Sorry your car is dead and it's lifetime is over. I do love this car and it is relatively free from repairs. Maintenance on the plugs and coils is a real pain. Thank God that it isn't a BMW!!
As far as I'm aware out of Ford V6s its only the 3.5 V6 that has his moronic design which its a shame because these are quite zippy engines, so if anyone looking to get a V6 Ford, please pay attention to what engine it has. Great video as always Wizard!
It’s only the front wheel drive 3.5, 3.5 Ecoboost, and 3.7 V6 engines that have the stupid water pump driven by the timing chain. The rear wheel drive models like the Transit, Expedition/Navigator, F-150, and Mustang has a belt driven water pump like most cars have. As of 2021, there is no longer a V6 engine larger than 3.0 liters of displacement in Ford’s FWD platforms.
fordtechmakuloco has a GREAT video on the subject of that timing chain design in the Ford Cyclone engine. Highly recommended that anybody with a transverse-mounted 3.5 V6 (Mustangs and F150s are differently designed) keep a VERY close eye on your oil for evidence of contamination.
On my mom in law's 07 Taurus, it was still a big job, and you can see the timing chain when the pump housing comes off. For her living low income, it was a big expense. Luckily we found a shop that could fix it for $650 dollars, but some wanted more than $800 and I can't imagine what the dealer would have quoted.
@@TheOzthewiz The GM 3100 and 3400 V6s had the water pump mounted at the top of the engine next to the radiator, seriously the world's easiest water pump to access. 10-15 minutes to replace, but then 30-60 minutes to bleed air out of the system.
I LOVE my 2008 MKZ with the 3.5. I'm aware of the water pump but I'm going to keep enjoying the car while I can and replace my coolant at half of Ford's intervals.
That feeling you get when you find out about the recalled jack stands that were holding up your 6000 lbs suburban while you were crawling underneath it
Yep, I have a 2010 Fusion with a 3.5. Water pump went out at 110K or so, the water pump completely let loose. Completely failed to the point coolant was pouring out. I had it fixed and all that stuff mentioned replaced. It was about $3K. That was a few months ago. Let me check my invoice. Wait it was over 3 years ago, no way... doesn't feel that long ago lol! I still have the car today with 170K miles. Though it's a backup car now. The suspension has been clunky for as long as I can remember. Replaced struts, control arms, breaks all kinds of stuff. Still clunks. I just deal with it. Tires don't wear uneven so I just take it easy over bumps.
@@lm386opamp Damn how are you guys burning through water pumps so quickly? My '09 Taurus has the original pump at 141k miles right now. Most reliable car I've ever owned, only had a $40 climate actuator repair and fluids and filters in 7 years and 70k miles
Thanks for another instructive video, Wizard. My most elusive problem was on my 2005 Acura TSX. At around 135K miles, the gauge cluster would intermittently stop working. There is a video of this on my RUclips channel. The local Acura dealer didn’t find the cause, and I ended up trading the Acura for my current BMW 328i.
That internal water pump is an awful design. It's the same way on the 3.5L V6, 3.7L V6, and 2.0L-I4. I just gotta say though... I'd much rather spend $2k to $3k fixing a used car than spending $2k-$3k in payments in roughly 3 months to 4 months on a new car.
It’s good to finally see the same generation Chevy Impala in the background as my first car, except mine was white not black, I always loved the ‘06 to ‘13 impala’s
Another mention with the Ford Duratec engines is the water pump destroying the engine. More times than not people don't pay attention to leaks or loss of coolant. Well, because this pump is chain driven when it fails it can leak coolant into the oil pan and destroy the engine. Happens a lot. If you own with the 3.5 or 3.7 you need to regularly check your coolant level and make sure it's staying the same. If you start losing coolant STOP. Check your oil, if it looks milky do not start the car again. Have it towed to a mechanic. If the oil looks fine get the car to a mechanic soon and have it inspected. Take it to a Ford dealer or someone who knows Ford's well. It's amazing how many mechanics have no clue about the water pumps on these.
Yeah I think they're known more for that... I've seen a few car buffs compare these 3.5's to Chrysler's infamous 2.7L for leaking coolant internally because of the water pumps... Just seems like these 3.5L Ford engines hold out a little longer before the pumps fail than the Chrysler 2.7's which usually failed before 100k miles.
Just the words "subaru boxer" trigger a massive ptsd attack for me... turbo failures, headgaskets, cracked ringlands on pistons... only 2 cars I dont regret putting straight into the car crusher after engines selfdestructed for the 45432 time, ive spent lots more time under those shitboxes as I was driving them
After the holidays ended and 2021 began, the Car Wizard introduced his opening clip for each of his all-new videos. I am hoping for more in-depth, maintenance and repair videos for a 2009 Toyota Highlander 4WD mid-size SUV with the 3.5 L V6 engine and the five-speed automatic transmission with sport (manual-shift) mode and a 2016 Kia Forte compact sedan with the 1.8 L four-cylinder engine and the six-speed automatic transmission, also with sport (manual-shift) mode. One of these vehicles could have their warranty expired already.
The opinion of Wizards view on manufacturers is right on. That's why the used car market for vehicles over 20 years old is going to be a very hot market to refurbish older vehicles. Look for vehicles that have galvanised body panels or aluminum body panels. Its actually worth buying these older cars to restore and enjoy as a daily driver.
Ford jammed the water pump in there because at least where edge is concerned the engine wouldn’t fit in otherwise. I already went through this and had to replace engine. It’s a shame because the Edge is a nice car but this water pump is a major Achilles heal.
For those individuals who are saying that the Ford 3.5L Engine is great and reliable for police services; you must realize that a police service has a much larger budget to repair their vehicles. Second of all, I know of police services who can afford to replace their vehicles after 80,000 km or 50,000 miles has been met; they sell them and go through their contracts to buy a new one. The average individual could not afford such a service plan unless they have quite the disposable income.
Hey Car Wizard, I watch nearly all of your car videos and they are useful and informative. It would be great if you can demonstrate what the sound is before asking to guess what the cause of the issue is, in that case it is more interesting to interact with the video.
@@CarWizard Drafted in '68. Went to Ft Knox armor crewman training on M48/60 tanks. Still got the busted knuckles "fixin" tracks with that tankers bar. Still learning car stuff from you. All the best to you.
The bearings on the top pf the struts are usually done at around 90-100,000 miles. Less of the local roads are a broken mess. That's why those quick strut kits are so popular. They are also cheap so they can fail during the warranty period. Good tip on that water pump and on how to isolate that clunking noise.
The most elusive problem I ever had took me about four months of intermittent diagnosing to isolate and figure out. It was a 2016 Hilux SR5, 4x4 dual cab. Every now and again, it would blow the brake light fuse, which on a modern car, is a big problem. It means you can't start the car, can't easily get it out of park, can't use cruise control, ABS/VSC is disabled and, of course, you have no brake lights. Occasionally, in the past, I've seen brake/taillight globes fail where one of the filaments fails and contacts the other filament, which can cause the fuse to blow, but it wasn't that. The next usual suspect is trailer wiring, but while it did have a harness fitted, it didn't occur when it was towing. It only ever blew the fuse when the driver was braking and the vehicle was experiencing torsional twisting. It most 'reliably' recreated when he was parking on his front lawn at home, he was on the brake and driving up a 90 degree gutter at a low speed. Maybe one out of 100 times of replicating that scenario, it'd blow the fuse. The vehicle had an aftermarket sound system that was wired in a not brilliant way, so that was all removed and left for awhile, and a couple of months later, he came back with the same issue. So I rewired the sound system back in. The subwoofer was in the tray (Fully weather sealed) and as I was opening the tray, I noticed the courtesy lamp in the tonneau cover lid would come on if you lifted the lid from the corner. The tonneau cover is a pre-delivery install and the wiring kit for the courtesy lamp and locking system is manually installed and wired in. So I traced the install back to the junction block and where it's wired in. Normally, those kits are scotch-locked in, a not-great method of piggybacking an electrical circuit for power. The tech who did it soldered the wiring in, in an attempt to provide a better, more permanent, reliable connection. But in doing so, he left one strand of wire, coated in solder exposed. So it was spiky and hard. And it just happened to be next to the brake light circuit and, over six months or so, it had worn through the insulation on the brake light wiring. So, what happened is that on the odd occasion, the one-in-one hundred chance is that as he was on the brake and driving over the gutter at the right angle, the tray would flex juuuust enough to let the tonneau cover courtesy lamp switch open, which powers up the lights inside the tray and when it was contacting the exposed brake light wire, the extra current from the courtesy lamp circuit would flow into the brake light circuit and blow the fuse for the brake light circuit. Repair the wiring and never had that problem again. Probably the hardest problem I've had to solve.
Have first hand experience with the internal pump in the 3.5. It happened to my wifes 2011 Edge. Pump went bad and the anti-freeze mixed with the oil thus frying the engine
Lots of people hating on the design of this engine, but the truth is the 3.5 and 3.7 family of Ford motors were the first to get 300hp AND 30mpg at the same time, not to mention ever increasing emissions regulations, complexity must increase to meet expectations. Not saying it's a great idea to have an internal water pump, but look how tight that engine bay is. You want 300hp, 30mpg in a heavy sedan, modern drivability and creature comforts, and have it all fit in a fwd setup so you can have more leg room? It's going to be relatively complex, and all crammed in there under the hood with some compromises. Not easy or cheap to work on, but it is what it is.
As a IN city commuter is the BEST CHOICE. Lots less maintenance items and associated costs(as long as everything stays in good working order and electrical Gremlins DON'T appear).
JIGA BACHI Don’t buy a Tesla. They are poorly built in a factory where high quality affordable Toyotas used to be built. Their welds are poorly done and the doors don’t even line up with each other especially the Model X. The design is good but the build quality is horrible. Buy a EV from a manufacturer like General Motors or Ford instead that’s been making cars for a century. I certainly wouldn’t pay $50,000 on a poorly built Tesla.
@@CarWizard My dad first saw an old electric car when he was a kid back in the 1930's. He was impressed. He had many cars over the years, but never forgot that electric car some girls were driving. The last car he bought when he was in his '80s was a brand new Toyota Camry hybrid. He loved it.
I have a 2010 MKZ with around 160,000 miles on it. This summer it over heated . I waited until it cooled down, water reservoir was empty and oil was about 2 inches high. First thought was head gasket. I called dealer for price on head gasket replacement, they asked if I was sure if it was that or water pump. I thought they were crazy, I knew GM had engines with the same situation with water pumps but thought Ford was smarter than that (wrong) . After me telling them that, they still wanted to diagnose it them selves. They charged me $170. To tell me I needed an $8000 engine. I ended up taking it to a shop that did the same thing that you proposed, but he suggested dropping the entire engine, he preferred that because of the possibility of breaking the front cover because of tight quarters. He did all that you suggested for around $3,300. I figured I couldn't find a dependable car for that price 😊
Having put 300,000 miles on 3, 3.5 engines... Starting with a 2008 flex and 2 explorer's... I have not had the water pump issue in any of them. My believe is that if you do regular maintenance like changing coolant, spark plugs, transmission change, your chances for issues are low. Also, wizard, that MKZ is built on the Taurus Chassis. Not Milan of Fusion. Those had 4-cyl. And was a smaller chassis. Fyi, I am not a Ford guy. But I wanted to share my experiences with you. Wizard, why don't you film the strut change? I know there are others online that do that, but showing how to fix those common issues at home would be great. Those quick change struts only take 30/min per side.
Correction its built on the 2010-2012 Ford Fusion SPORT Chassis. That setup was the performance variation of the Fusion which is identical mechanically to this Lincoln MKZ. I own a 2010 Sport it's a great car was bought brand new by my Dad. Mines perfect condition as its stored winters and never sees road salt.
I had a 94 lexes es300 that the top bolt of the caliper worked its way out while on 300mi.+ Trip. It happened on the driver side. The top of the caliper was just laying on the inside of the wheel. Though, it made a horrible grinding sound. Ended up fixing it in the parking lot of an AutoZone in about an hour. Tightened up the passenger side too. Scared me half to death. That was about 10 years ago.
Built down to a price like most pattern parts. Had a pattern exhaust - waranteed 1 year - Lasted 15 months. Genuine Nissan exhaust cost twice as much but was still on the car when I sold it six years later.
The stupidity of having a car with a timing chain, and water pump that is hidden behind a timing cover astounds me. Cars that employ that kind of philosophy, (just get a new 30,000 car! Stop fixing it!). need to be boycotted. I like Nissan sr20de(t) water pump setup. It’s a 30-60 minute job. Just 5 bolts and accessory belt removal.
Robert But they were not good cars because of the stupid water pump driven by the timing chain. It doesn’t matter if it’s an Ecoboost or not. It’s got the same water pump as the naturally aspirated 3.5 and 3.7 FWD V6.
Great video. I like how you explain everything and make it very easy to understand. I have a 2008 Mkz with the 3.5 and did not know that about the water pump. That was an added bonus that people like "me" Really appreciate! Thanks Again!
Car Wizzard: I don't like those strut sets either. Are the springs they come with any good and matched to weight of the car, or should that Lincoln and others with those strut packages get new coils, too? Thanks
The springs are a close enough copy from China, as is everything else. Car companies put millions into designing the right springs, so I'll reuse them with quality struts and good mounts. Working on struts can be extremely dangerous, so I dont begrudge mechanics from using the quick struts and saving their limbs and a bunch of time. But if you want original ride quality, doing them the right way is the way to go.
G'day Wiz. I am a cranky, crusty old Engineer from Australia and I feel your pain. Idiots who buy cheap cars then expect me to perform miracles (cheap repairs). I can go broke sitting on a beach rather than loose money working on these junkers. A vehicle is a complicated piece of machinery...if you can't afford to maintain one, catch a bus.
@@fordTH7335 even the wizard admits that gen of S class isn't for people that don't know how to maintain them. That said though I love the V8s specifically in these era of Mercs.
It’s really a shame. I always love the looks inside and out of the MKZ from this era. The front wheel drive-based vehicles using the 3.5 and 3.7 engines are ones I will personally never buy. Ford should be sued for creating such a stupid design and forcing it down the throat of the American public. I read somewhere on a Ford forum from a engineer that Ford couldn’t fit the water pump externally in the engine bay. Sounds like BS to me… The 3.0 had the water pump attached to the cam shaft near the airbox for years. Ford generated tons of additional automobile waste that could’ve been perfectly driven to a quarter million miles have they designed the better. What a colossal failure. And I am a big fan of Ford… I drive a Town Car my water pump takes 15 minutes to change at best.
Ford cyclone 3.5l and 3.7l engines are fairly reliable my 2007 Lincoln mkz currently have over 230,000 Miles, I see lots of Ford, Lincoln, mercury and Mazda vehicles still on the road with those engines.
My 09 mkz 3.5L lasted to 208k before I got rid of it never had to change the water pump so it is possible. I recently bought a 08 mkz and the water pump was bad the guy was practically getting rid of it, changed the pump and timing chain runs perfect.
We finally got a buy this, not that video for Jeep yesterday. The Car Wizard just forgot the Grand Cherokee, because it is one of my favourite Jeep's in the North American market. I am still waiting one for Lincoln, because this MKZ is always a nightmare with the water pump. The Town Car is one of the best sedans in the market. Also, I am waiting for one for Mazda, because the Mazda 3 is one of the best compact vehicles ever made.
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A mechanic like wizard is pretty rare these days. Instead of just replacing everything which could make a noise, a investigation like this is gold worth. As always a great job 👍🏻
Gotta deep dive in some cars, you could have 4-5 parts that are legitimately worn out, upper controll arms, lower controll arms, sway bar links, bushings. All things that you check over and they all might not be perfect as it's not brand new but you go after the easier ones or the most worn out ones, because you can't just throw a couple thousand dollar bill at them without trying to help them out.
Yes! The man is a freakin' GENIUS!!..........AND a wonderful human being!
Mr. Wizard is worth his weight in gold
Many dealers take the shotgun approach to repairs
Time spent on inspecting each individual component is not always factible and or acceptable by the costumer. Specially when you(customer) pay more on finding the problem than buying the part[s] and fixing it.
Thank you so much Wizard for the waterpump warning. I was about to buy this same vehicle with 140000 miles. Checked for weep hole leak and sure enough, there it was! Dude you just saved my ass from a huge mess and a ton of money that I could not afford to lose. Great advice. Thank you so much Wizard! You da man!!!
Point out the issue and tell them you will buy it for $2500 less! Fix it and drive happy.
Same here I found a 2011 MKZ and the same problem, it looks new but no thanks for any price.
I take my Wizard Staff...and I total the car. There is coffee in my nose.
Looks like Mr. Lincoln could use a set of tires as well.
LoL. I was thinking the same thing.
And it’s dishonest Lincoln. It’s not the honest Abe we know and Ford’s Lincoln division was named after Abraham Lincoln himself. That’s what I call the Lincolns that are junk like the Continental, MKZ, MKT, etc.
ATX-CVPI The continental is not junk but the others are for sure
@@805NAVE agreed
That would cost more than the car is worth, unless he finds used tires.
The poor acting is what I return for - I hope you guys never improve in acting skills! I love you guys! hahaha
If I went to the wizard and it was any less awkward than this I would leave
Kyle Taylor Yes! Hahahah
Thats how you know they are humble and true
Bruh they jus spicing it up a lil bit lol
Thats cause he's a wizard, not an actor! Uve seen him with hoovie acting so.....
Watching the growth of this channel has been awesome. So many car youtubers are insufferable and hard to watch, I really appreciate the low key and relaxed presentation. I’ve learned a ton and it’s been enjoyable! Wizard is really getting the hang of being in front of the camera!! Cant wait to see what’s in store for the future!
No screaming no bullshit no "gangsta flow" just plain knowledge
@@orkoto6057 you forgot cringy acting lol, that's how you know he's for real 😂
I just recently sold my 2012 Lincoln MKZ just because of the POSSIBILITY of a bad water pump. I was able to sell it back to the dealer (Lincoln) that I purchased it from as a "lease turn-in" in 2015 with 49000 miles on clock. I REALLY loved this vehicle and kept it my "sunny day" car, had not a single problem with it from 12-2015 to 4-2019, although I had only put 4000 miles on it. Loved this car so much, I was afraid of taking it out on the freeway for fear of getting "road rash" from semis! But, when I heard about the water pump "mess", it almost sent chills down my spine, so I HAD to get rid of it!! I found out about the problem 3 years ago on the "Ford Tech Makaloco" channel. This is why I LOVE RUclips!
Nonsense....change out the pump at 100k, and every 100k..and just drive it.
@@MrDave9111ive got an 08 taurus with the original waterpump at over 239k miles. atp if it went, i would just get a new car, but i never understood people being so afraid of that issue as to not drive them. its never broken down on me, although i just had the struts replaced due to the same clunking issue mentioned in this video
@@MrDave9111 It's not that simple especially for people who don't have a lot of money. Unless you've saved up for it you will be in big trouble when the water pump fails. It is easily an over $2,000 job with the timing chain replacement included. The MKZ is not a vehicle you can just pop new parts in and prolong its life span. It is a vehicle you MUST purchase new, or with less than 100,000 miles. It is meant to be driven and discarded prior to reaching 150,000. Anyone who chooses to drive one of these cars beyond that is asking for big trouble later.
@@1977TA Have you priced new cars recently? A $700/month payment is not unusual. So pay $2000 for the repair and drive the car for another 100K miles. That's only 3 months of payments. If you can't pony up $2000 for repairs you certainly shouldn't be buying a new car! Used cars are the way to go.
My 2007's water pump will start leaking. I keep a gallon of coolant in the trunk, that cost me $10. When it starts leaking, I drive it home and refill the coolant along the way.
I tear the car apart and replace the pump, change, etc. That will be a two day job for me. Then I drive it for another 50-100K. Zero payments. Cheap insurance.
I have more than one car, so that is not a problem. The person who traded in their car because they were "afraid" at 49K miles? Gimmee a break. That was a really, really poor decision.
The MKZ is like many cars, some of the repair bills can be high. But this cars engine has been known to go 300K+ miles without major issues. I don't consider a water pump to be a major issue. Yes, the repair is pricy, but its not a major engine issue.
One thing you can do to help prolong the life of your water pump is to change out part of the engine coolant. You need to use the better coolant. The best deal I have found is the coolant they sell at Menards. It has the proper certification and it was about $15/gal. So I replaced about 1 1/2 gallons of coolant. Really easy job. There is a drain valve on the radiator at the drivers end of it. Just need to follow the procedure to purge the air out of the system when refilling it. Info is on RUclips.
For my $, the MKZ is a bargain. Its fast. I hit the gas hard the other day and found myself slowing down through 110 mph! Yikes! Faster than I need. And its fuel efficient. It also has very high quality paint on it with a leather interior and ice cold AC. What's not to like?
@@EV6CrashCam Yes, I'm not afraid of a leaking water pump. If it happens, I'll fix it unless its beat.
The ford duratec 3.0 had an externally mounted water pump..mounted to rear of front camshaft...excellent design...great engine
Perfect timing to watch in my break at 1pm
1:26am here in Australia haha
18:27 here in UK 🇬🇧 😁
Wizard has the skills but Mrs W steers the ship I think - what does everyone think 🙂
19.47 here in sweden
Why wait till break? lol
Many years ago I rebuilt water pumps. Rebuilt means I used old core housings and put in new bearing and seals with sometimes new hubs and impellers. More than a few times I saw where people who had the original pump housing with a pencil broken off in the "weep hole" (which was made to show the seal was bad and it was time to change it. kinda like wear indicators make noise for brakes). It didn't fix anything, but it stopped the leak until eventually the water pump self-destructed. Back then water pumps weren't usually mated to a timing chain or belt, so if it failed it wasn't nearly as much of an issue. I became a mechanic later for years and I've seen the "evolution" of engineering and how it became ease and cheapness of assembly that made simple parts replacements a major deal. Even if you need more computer diagnosis than before, what used to be fairly simple parts replacements are much more involved now; with tools and specific information needed. To me, real advancement come from simplicity and that doesn't make anyone as much money just like curing diseases doesn't make as much money as treating them. That's my rant for the day.
The more of these videos I watch, the more I realize how bad and/or disinterested some of the mechanics have been that I've been dealing with over the past 30 or so years.
This guy is good. I think the videos have been fun for him.
OR the designers!
no kidding!
I just replaced the water pump at the dealer and paid $2500 for it you’re totally right it costs too much for a water pump
I work with a fellow who had a local shop do that one for $1400 on a 2013 Police Utility with the 3.7
How many miles did you have on the car when the water pump died?
Wooww that's way too expensive man, I live here in Mexico city, I had the same issue with my fusion, I got a new water pump just for 40 bucks and the mechanic charged another 35 for replacement, total $75. I guess you must be angry now man.
Is the overexageration 2500 for a water pump you got ripped off, the replace the water pump and timing chains should cost no more than 1600 dollars all car need timing repair and new water pump witch is expensive on any vehicle.
Get the 3.0l v6 more reliable than the 3.5,3.7l v6
One of the Wizard's best tips for driveway warriors
Wizard put together a list of automobile engines that use that god awful timing chain water pump configuration, I will NEVER purchase a car with that kind of set up.
All of the ford 3.5 engines from the past like 10 years
And Chrysler 2.7 V6, painful.
It sucks because I like a lot of those new Ford products. I like that SHO
@@edman79 you could get one without the 3.5 engine like the ford fusion energi
Ford 3.5 and 3.7 unless a Mustang or F-150. Nissan 3.5 VQ. GM Ecotec 2.4 are just a few to mention. Some vehicles have timing chain driven water pumps and usually never fail. The Ecotec 2.4 comes to mind.
I took into consideration the water pump on the 3.5 and I still got a 13 mkz. Of course I have the Ford shop manual to assist me replacing it when the time comes. I don't care. I just love how the car looks.
got one too but with a 3.7, it does have such a distinct look
Oh man, thank you Mr. Wizard. I've been having a horrific clunk in my 1999 Ford Ka for a while now. I've gotten a new sway bar and links 9 months ago and last shop owner said my wishbone bushing was shot, we changed it and it didn't helped, It was actually shot, he tried pushing on the struts as you did, no, not a single movement or a small clunk. I tried pushing my struts and springs at full travel, nope, it never did the sound going straight as long as i literally crash into the bump. I generally heard the sound when I was pushing the brakes mostly, especially heard it turning during downhill pushing brakes or making sharp left right in gravel roads using brakes often or turning the steering wheel fast, I loved agressive trail brake turning in my car but I stopped doing that as that horrifying noise started and sound like my entire front left end is gonna fall apart. I was not suspected by the calipers and I was thinking of some sort of flange that holds the exhaust. I tried the calipers today and BOOM! Horrific movement to left and right with clunking, it wasn't up and down but rather lateral, it makes it loudly as I turn the wheel fast and hard as it moved with momentum and kept hitting all over the place clunking. I got the problem sorted. Thank you so much again sir. Greetings and love from Turkey.
Hoovie's next video: "I just bought the cheapest Lincoln Mk Z in the country!"
Beat me to it.Was thinking same thing although Tyler seems hell bent on buying BMW's until he finally gets a good one
Doug DeMuro's next video: " My most favorite car ever"
This channel helps me because I only buy used cars that always have interesting issues pop up that I try to isolate on my own before going to the mechanic.
"I take my wizard staff and total the car" had me cracking up. Too funny and I really enjoy your videos.
Mr. Wizard, if you are like me, the newer the car you are working on, the more cusswords that are yelled out and the less affection you have for the subject of your attentions. What I enjoy and respect most about you is that you seem to treat customer's cars as if you owned them. You take the time to fully check out & diagnose problems, you come up with alternatives if you can, and you are realistic with customers about how much it will likely cost them, down the road. I work on my own cars exclusively, mostly because it is rare to run across a shop in my area that will do any of those things that come so naturally to you. I'm slow - likely far slower than you - but my work is always solid and I almost never have to do it twice. My daily ride is a 2012 Chrysler minivan. Not because it's the best car in the world, but because I restore antique radios on the side and it can haul a lot of that sort of stuff and generally do it better than a pickup. 2012 is just about the end of the line for cars being serviceable by self-taught wrenchers like myself. As an electrical engineer, the simple electronics in that Chrysler are repairable and not that challenging. There is plenty of documentation, even for repairing drivetrain management computers, etc. I would hate like hell to have to work on my wife's 2020 Hyundai Santa Fe! No way, no how! Thank you for what you do! I watch all the time to help me keep my head on straight when I work on my cars. You are an excellent teacher and yours is one of the best RUclips channels out there! Cheers! Michael in Nephi, Utah, USA.
Mr and Mrs Wizard seem to be great people!
@3:53 The Wizard Staff! The best solution for mechanics and non-mechanics alike! Thank you for the video Mr. and Mrs. Wizard!
On my 2004 Pacifica bought with 194k kms on it, the clunking was caused by the front struts. And the sway bar links. And the sway bar bushings. And the lower control arm bushings. And the rear lower control arm bushings. I basically replaced the whole suspension. Say, did you know new Monroe specialty rear shocks for this car have no warranty? I know that now!
One thing I feel super lucky about, because I didn’t know about chain driven water pumps when I bought my car? My Mazda is not set up that way. Water pump gets its own serpentine belt, completely independent of the main accessory belt; I’m actually having both replaced tomorrow as a preventative maintenance job
The part he fails to mention is that most Edge's with the 3.5 will go 200000 to 300000 miles without a problem. Don't drive the shit out of it and they last a long time without issue. A new Edge now comes with a 2.0L 4 cylinder, which won't last as long.
Are not cars meant to be driven though? How else do you GET to "200,000 to 300,000"
Yes, the 3.5 and 3.7 motors are very reliable; however, the water pump makes these car very scary to own. Water pumps are parts that go out on all makes and models, so every one of these motors WILL have this issue eventually. Very unfortunate, for an otherwise great motor.
@@racequad9 Scary? Price out a new car. THAT is scary.
@@MrDave9111 buying a whole other car because a water pump fails, yes that is scary
I have a 2011 Ford Edge with this same 3.5 V6. I had what we believed to be head gasket failure at 201k miles. We decided to spend $700 on a used motor and 3 days of work instead of buying a new car since it was already paid off. I’ve put 4K more miles on it and it’s been problem free so far. I love the car and will drive it until this motor fails.
I had the same problem. Diagnosed as a $2000 repair.
Fixed by 2 new front tire replacements
Wizard knows the golden rule of being in business. Keep your customers happy!!!
thankfully i work at a ford dealer myself and i can do this with only having to pay for is parts. ive seen a couple of these get either towed in or come in for diagnosis and see the milk shake on the oil cap and i know that its probably too late. Amazingly enough ive seen 1 or 2 people pay out of pocket to have the water pump and timing chains done
How much did they pay? I got an '08 with 150K on it.
@@HauntingTheHoly that I don't know.
Do you know how many hours it actually takes? because i'm straight up calling bullshit on it taking 14 hours
Had this same water pump issue on a 2011. As it turned out, My local, Reputable mechanic would not even take on the job to replace it. Chance of engine damage was to high for them to be willing to take the risk. Between the labor and cost of parts to replace the timing components and water pump, It was only a few hundred dollars more to buy another used motor with much lower miles and a warranty and have them swap it in. Still going strong 3 years and 26k miles later but I definitely agree with Wizard in regards to these things being time bombs.
That is an insane amount of labor for a water pump. Like 6 bolts and 15 minutes, and I can have the pump on my C5 Corvette pulled. I had to pull it as part of an AC compressor replacement. It was so easy, I didn't even bother getting a new one even though it was already off.
Mr. and Mrs. Wizard are American heroes.
Love this show!!! Best mechanic show on RUclips. Watch out Scotty
Mrs. Wizard ... Don't worry, you will get more relaxed over time, just look back at the early wizard vid's , Having fun is the most important ingredient to making the videos you guys provide. And with 306K subs , it appears i'm not the only one who enjoys the hard work your team go thru to make us happy subscribers.
Love these Wiz! Best info and tips. Kudos to Mrs. Wiz for helping. We all know it’s not easy and appreciate the time you guys give us weekly.
Another spooky internet mystery: I looked at a 2014 Lincoln MKZ on a dealer website yesterday, and then lo and behold you post a video on one. There is a difference; the car has a 3.7L V6. Curiously they add an "Installed Options" section by itself on the page that says: ENGINE: 3.7L TI-VCT V6
(MSRP: $1,230).
The car has 79K miles and they want $10,800.
I'm guessing it has a water pump leak LOL
Thank you for your videos that mysteriously relate to cars I am viewing.
At that mileage you're gambling. That water pump might go another 100k or might fail much sooner. Roomate has a Mazda CX9 with this engine and he's at 130k miles. No water pump issues yet.
@@DJR5280 Yeah it's all a gamble. My '13 Taurus water pump started pissing last year at about 155k, I went ahead and paid the $2k since that was the 1st big repair the car has ever asked me for.. My dad has an '11 Ford Flex that he's had since new with about 120-130k miles and has never needed a water pump. It's just the luck of the draw.
Love this video format! Please keep making these. Need to do the control arms and sway bar links on our X5. The most illusive problem was probably the electronic water pump on this one. Thought I saw a leak somewhere else and started replacing hoses, but ended up being the very difficult to get to water pump, very expensive to replace.
This is the most informative and to the point RUclips channel in a very long time. I love you knowledge about any engine, any make and model. Great videos. I saw ur videos after watching Hoovies garage video.
Here in Estonia this lincoln is a rare car that only a enthusiast buys for use as daily driver. So paying up for a fix like this is not that bad. Also the shop i take my car to has a fianance company working with them that helps with paying for bigger jobs. Fianance company pays for the job and you pay the fianance company in installments.
Don't forget the new water pump leaks again if you don't do the timing chains and guides due to vibration. 😢 $7,000 lesson learned
I did my own waterpump in my 2009 Flex, it was 29 hours of work including coolant flush, thermostat, all chains, guides, tensioner. There is another weep hole that dumps coolant into the open valley of the intake manifold area.
oh my god i was just looking to buy a car just like this one before changing my mind and switch to Toyota Camry V6 . that was my local mechanic advice !!! i buy used so good engineering and reliability. is a must ... thanks for the video 👍🏽
These car makers have been ripping off the public for decades with planned obsolescence. While it's under warranty the dealers make a fortune doing repairs and servicing. After the warranty runs out, the resale value tanks, and the repair costs outweigh the market value, so the customer cuts their losses and buys a new car. The sooner these legacy makers go out of business, the better.
Agreed. And in the end it doesn't pay off for the carmakers who still do this. The domestic Big 3 have lost a ton of marketshare compared to the Japanese for this very reason. I have a 2013 Taurus 3.5L and it's been reliable for 130k miles, but after watching this video and getting schooled on the impending doom my engine is going to be facing, it'll be my last Ford.
Cars in the mid-90s to mid-00s were a really good mix of reliability and ease of repair. Most systems had been worked on for decades (EFI and coil packs being huge ones) and were almost dead reliable. Werent that many computer modules all over the car either.
Then engineers went nuts drawing stuff in AutoCAD and never working on it hands on, and then threw on direct injection, turbos, and electronics on top for good measure. There are a lot of very reliable cars out there now, but some of the stuff we see is real who-the-fuck-engineered-this nightmare fuel.
@major wow yea it's same thing as software companies.
I've had a 2011 Mustang 3.7L V6, a 2012 Mustang 3.7L V6, and 2014 Mustang 3.7L V6. All three have had the water pumps replaced under warranty. Part of the warranty is a replacement up drain hose from the over flow reservoir which they add a check valve in. At least with this model it is different from the 3.5L V6's in these FWD cars as the water pump is external and easy to replace.
Scotty said quick struts are garbage and wear out in a year and need to be replaced again after a year or so. He was right.
They are "budget strut" good enough to get that beater through another couple of years. Not that THIS Lincoln is a beater!
Scotty is ALWAYS right...................Rev up your (external water pump) Toyotas!
Mrs Wizard is a great addition to your content.
YOU SHALL NOT PASS!! - The Car Wizard
I have no idea how to even begin to start working on cars but the wizard sure gives me confidence lol
I have a Ford Edge 3.5 , the coolant mixed into the oil when the water pump failed , replaced the water pump and timing set , did multiple oil changes on it ,and it’s fine I drive it daily , the car wizard is 100 percent right it’s a huge job and not a easy one .
Michael Popovacki the 2.0L GTDI Edge has a serpentine belt driven water pump.
You got really lucky that the coolant mix didn’t take out numerous bearings and, well, the whole engine
@@terry-zi7eh Exactly. The water pumps in these motors is usually what takes them out, same with the old Chrysler 2.7's... You basically have to treat the water pumps like a maintenance item and replace them BEFORE they fail if you want to save your motor smh.
I have a 2007 Edge with the 3.5. I did the pump at about 100,000 miles. Lucky for me I noticed the leak because they leak internally into the oil and will total your engine if bad enough. I fixed it and now have 150K miles on it. I also change coolant every 30K miles. Ford calls it lifetime coolant. Sorry your car is dead and it's lifetime is over. I do love this car and it is relatively free from repairs. Maintenance on the plugs and coils is a real pain. Thank God that it isn't a BMW!!
As far as I'm aware out of Ford V6s its only the 3.5 V6 that has his moronic design which its a shame because these are quite zippy engines, so if anyone looking to get a V6 Ford, please pay attention to what engine it has.
Great video as always Wizard!
The 3.7 has the same design. But just flush your coolant every 50k miles and the original pump is good for 200k miles
It’s only the front wheel drive 3.5, 3.5 Ecoboost, and 3.7 V6 engines that have the stupid water pump driven by the timing chain. The rear wheel drive models like the Transit, Expedition/Navigator, F-150, and Mustang has a belt driven water pump like most cars have. As of 2021, there is no longer a V6 engine larger than 3.0 liters of displacement in Ford’s FWD platforms.
ATX-CVPI Great call! Excellent to know this before making a purchase.
Thank GOD Ford's 3.0l v6 doesn't have that problem, 3.0l v6 is very reliable.
just bought a 2012 MkZ, 42,000 miles, mint cond., owned by the dealership (loaner car), they had just replaced it....at 42,000! you know for the XP
fordtechmakuloco has a GREAT video on the subject of that timing chain design in the Ford Cyclone engine. Highly recommended that anybody with a transverse-mounted 3.5 V6 (Mustangs and F150s are differently designed) keep a VERY close eye on your oil for evidence of contamination.
Just cause it looks pretty, is just the beginning. Thx Wizard
Counting my blessings that I have the 3.0 DURAtec with the CAM-MOUNTED water pump.
I didn't realize how well off I was with my '01 Cavalier. External water pump, could be replaced in 1 hour by ME!
Have you tried replacing the leaky oil seal behind the cam mounted drive pulley ? 🤣
On my mom in law's 07 Taurus, it was still a big job, and you can see the timing chain when the pump housing comes off. For her living low income, it was a big expense. Luckily we found a shop that could fix it for $650 dollars, but some wanted more than $800 and I can't imagine what the dealer would have quoted.
@@TheOzthewiz The GM 3100 and 3400 V6s had the water pump mounted at the top of the engine next to the radiator, seriously the world's easiest water pump to access. 10-15 minutes to replace, but then 30-60 minutes to bleed air out of the system.
Mr Wizard and Mrs Wizard, love your videos, thanks - keep up the good work folks
I LOVE my 2008 MKZ with the 3.5. I'm aware of the water pump but I'm going to keep enjoying the car while I can and replace my coolant at half of Ford's intervals.
Kevin H that seems to be the key to people with lots of mileage on these water pumps. Keep the coolant fresh.
235,127 miles on my 2007 MKZ ...engine mounts ...injectors ...head gasket at 200k
good to know, I recently bought a 2013 model with the 3.7, noted
Dude u just help me from buying a ticking time bomb because i was looking at one with only 68,000 miles at a used car dealership so thank u
I put my car up on my harbor freight Jack stands and the clunking came from the Jack stands before they collapsed.
lol!
I just got a email from Harbor freight about recalled jack stands. Lmao
check your SKUs on you jackstands, I did
That feeling you get when you find out about the recalled jack stands that were holding up your 6000 lbs suburban while you were crawling underneath it
Sounds like Planned Obsolescence to me and a great asset for people like the Car Wizard.
Yep, I have a 2010 Fusion with a 3.5. Water pump went out at 110K or so, the water pump completely let loose. Completely failed to the point coolant was pouring out. I had it fixed and all that stuff mentioned replaced. It was about $3K. That was a few months ago. Let me check my invoice. Wait it was over 3 years ago, no way... doesn't feel that long ago lol! I still have the car today with 170K miles. Though it's a backup car now.
The suspension has been clunky for as long as I can remember. Replaced struts, control arms, breaks all kinds of stuff. Still clunks. I just deal with it. Tires don't wear uneven so I just take it easy over bumps.
2013 Taurus, 70k miles, $2.2k, Ford Never again
@@lm386opamp Damn how are you guys burning through water pumps so quickly? My '09 Taurus has the original pump at 141k miles right now. Most reliable car I've ever owned, only had a $40 climate actuator repair and fluids and filters in 7 years and 70k miles
@@lm386opamp Try a Nissan with the "internal " water pump, at least you will know what to expect.
Subaru has a chain-driven water pump on the H6 engines and these last the life of the car, 300k + miles.
@@StupidDummyIdiot 09 crown vic way better
Thanks for another instructive video, Wizard. My most elusive problem was on my 2005 Acura TSX. At around 135K miles, the gauge cluster would intermittently stop working. There is a video of this on my RUclips channel. The local Acura dealer didn’t find the cause, and I ended up trading the Acura for my current BMW 328i.
That internal water pump is an awful design. It's the same way on the 3.5L V6, 3.7L V6, and 2.0L-I4. I just gotta say though... I'd much rather spend $2k to $3k fixing a used car than spending $2k-$3k in payments in roughly 3 months to 4 months on a new car.
It’s good to finally see the same generation Chevy Impala in the background as my first car, except mine was white not black, I always loved the ‘06 to ‘13 impala’s
The '14 to '20 bodystyle Impalas are beautiful to me, just wish GM put more motor in them.
Thanks for these tips. I’m learning so much from you even though I studied auto mechanics in the 70s. Technology changes.
Another mention with the Ford Duratec engines is the water pump destroying the engine. More times than not people don't pay attention to leaks or loss of coolant. Well, because this pump is chain driven when it fails it can leak coolant into the oil pan and destroy the engine. Happens a lot. If you own with the 3.5 or 3.7 you need to regularly check your coolant level and make sure it's staying the same. If you start losing coolant STOP. Check your oil, if it looks milky do not start the car again. Have it towed to a mechanic. If the oil looks fine get the car to a mechanic soon and have it inspected. Take it to a Ford dealer or someone who knows Ford's well. It's amazing how many mechanics have no clue about the water pumps on these.
These water pumps can fail without an external leak also, dumping coolant into the engine oil.
Yeah I think they're known more for that... I've seen a few car buffs compare these 3.5's to Chrysler's infamous 2.7L for leaking coolant internally because of the water pumps... Just seems like these 3.5L Ford engines hold out a little longer before the pumps fail than the Chrysler 2.7's which usually failed before 100k miles.
Yes they can found out on a Texas to New York 😕
one of the best episodes of the Car Wizard! thank you for posting these tips.
More motivation to sell my Subaru, the 3.6 boxer engine has this same water pump design.
Just the words "subaru boxer" trigger a massive ptsd attack for me... turbo failures, headgaskets, cracked ringlands on pistons... only 2 cars I dont regret putting straight into the car crusher after engines selfdestructed for the 45432 time, ive spent lots more time under those shitboxes as I was driving them
Love your videos. Thank you for taking the time to produce and post them. I wish I was close enough to take my car to you.
5:00 Even the Car Wizard has heard about the recalled jack stands. 😁🤣😂😅👍
Just returned mine, unopened.
My brother has a set. And he still hasn't returned them. Smh
EVERYTHING gets recalled these days, even TOYOTAS !
And Scotty Kilmer.
@@atx-cvpi_99 Scotty#1
Aww Mrs Wizard returns to support The Wizard! Nice!!! 👍👍👍
After the holidays ended and 2021 began, the Car Wizard introduced his opening clip for each of his all-new videos. I am hoping for more in-depth, maintenance and repair videos for a 2009 Toyota Highlander 4WD mid-size SUV with the 3.5 L V6 engine and the five-speed automatic transmission with sport (manual-shift) mode and a 2016 Kia Forte compact sedan with the 1.8 L four-cylinder engine and the six-speed automatic transmission, also with sport (manual-shift) mode. One of these vehicles could have their warranty expired already.
The opinion of Wizards view on manufacturers is right on. That's why the used car market for vehicles over 20 years old is going to be a very hot market to refurbish older vehicles. Look for vehicles that have galvanised body panels or aluminum body panels. Its actually worth buying these older cars to restore and enjoy as a daily driver.
Ford jammed the water pump in there because at least where edge is concerned the engine wouldn’t fit in otherwise. I already went through this and had to replace engine. It’s a shame because the Edge is a nice car but this water pump is a major Achilles heal.
If you don't mind: How much did you pay? What were warning signs/symptoms?
HauntingTheHoly @$1300
For those individuals who are saying that the Ford 3.5L Engine is great and reliable for police services; you must realize that a police service has a much larger budget to repair their vehicles. Second of all, I know of police services who can afford to replace their vehicles after 80,000 km or 50,000 miles has been met; they sell them and go through their contracts to buy a new one.
The average individual could not afford such a service plan unless they have quite the disposable income.
Quick struts have cheap strut mounts. This is why I do struts myself the old fashion way.
Hey Car Wizard, I watch nearly all of your car videos and they are useful and informative. It would be great if you can demonstrate what the sound is before asking to guess what the cause of the issue is, in that case it is more interesting to interact with the video.
Wizards staff looks like what we called a tankers bar for working on tank tracks in the US ARMY. Lol
Used them on the railroad also. Pry bar.
Yeah, former 11E mos, I remember those tanker bars. Trying to forget.
It is an old tankers bar.
@@CarWizard Drafted in '68. Went to Ft Knox armor crewman training on M48/60 tanks. Still got the busted knuckles "fixin" tracks with that tankers bar. Still learning car stuff from you. All the best to you.
The bearings on the top pf the struts are usually done at around 90-100,000 miles. Less of the local roads are a broken mess. That's why those quick strut kits are so popular. They are also cheap so they can fail during the warranty period. Good tip on that water pump and on how to isolate that clunking noise.
The most elusive problem I ever had took me about four months of intermittent diagnosing to isolate and figure out. It was a 2016 Hilux SR5, 4x4 dual cab. Every now and again, it would blow the brake light fuse, which on a modern car, is a big problem. It means you can't start the car, can't easily get it out of park, can't use cruise control, ABS/VSC is disabled and, of course, you have no brake lights.
Occasionally, in the past, I've seen brake/taillight globes fail where one of the filaments fails and contacts the other filament, which can cause the fuse to blow, but it wasn't that.
The next usual suspect is trailer wiring, but while it did have a harness fitted, it didn't occur when it was towing.
It only ever blew the fuse when the driver was braking and the vehicle was experiencing torsional twisting. It most 'reliably' recreated when he was parking on his front lawn at home, he was on the brake and driving up a 90 degree gutter at a low speed. Maybe one out of 100 times of replicating that scenario, it'd blow the fuse.
The vehicle had an aftermarket sound system that was wired in a not brilliant way, so that was all removed and left for awhile, and a couple of months later, he came back with the same issue. So I rewired the sound system back in. The subwoofer was in the tray (Fully weather sealed) and as I was opening the tray, I noticed the courtesy lamp in the tonneau cover lid would come on if you lifted the lid from the corner. The tonneau cover is a pre-delivery install and the wiring kit for the courtesy lamp and locking system is manually installed and wired in. So I traced the install back to the junction block and where it's wired in.
Normally, those kits are scotch-locked in, a not-great method of piggybacking an electrical circuit for power. The tech who did it soldered the wiring in, in an attempt to provide a better, more permanent, reliable connection. But in doing so, he left one strand of wire, coated in solder exposed. So it was spiky and hard. And it just happened to be next to the brake light circuit and, over six months or so, it had worn through the insulation on the brake light wiring.
So, what happened is that on the odd occasion, the one-in-one hundred chance is that as he was on the brake and driving over the gutter at the right angle, the tray would flex juuuust enough to let the tonneau cover courtesy lamp switch open, which powers up the lights inside the tray and when it was contacting the exposed brake light wire, the extra current from the courtesy lamp circuit would flow into the brake light circuit and blow the fuse for the brake light circuit. Repair the wiring and never had that problem again. Probably the hardest problem I've had to solve.
i am very happy that you both try to act like a real actor in a movie :-) good work !
Have first hand experience with the internal pump in the 3.5. It happened to my wifes 2011 Edge. Pump went bad and the anti-freeze mixed with the oil thus frying the engine
Great point! I’ve heard about that oil/coolant mix issue, thought the Wizard might address it, but...
How many miles was on it
Lots of people hating on the design of this engine, but the truth is the 3.5 and 3.7 family of Ford motors were the first to get 300hp AND 30mpg at the same time, not to mention ever increasing emissions regulations, complexity must increase to meet expectations. Not saying it's a great idea to have an internal water pump, but look how tight that engine bay is. You want 300hp, 30mpg in a heavy sedan, modern drivability and creature comforts, and have it all fit in a fwd setup so you can have more leg room? It's going to be relatively complex, and all crammed in there under the hood with some compromises. Not easy or cheap to work on, but it is what it is.
The Car Wizard is going to make me buy an electric car as my next car.
As a IN city commuter is the BEST CHOICE. Lots less maintenance items and associated costs(as long as everything stays in good working order and electrical Gremlins DON'T appear).
I am an avid supporter of electric cars. Love them
JIGA BACHI Don’t buy a Tesla. They are poorly built in a factory where high quality affordable Toyotas used to be built. Their welds are poorly done and the doors don’t even line up with each other especially the Model X. The design is good but the build quality is horrible. Buy a EV from a manufacturer like General Motors or Ford instead that’s been making cars for a century. I certainly wouldn’t pay $50,000 on a poorly built Tesla.
@@atx-cvpi_99 i dont expect GM or Ford to put out a reliable EV ever.
@@CarWizard My dad first saw an old electric car when he was a kid back in the 1930's. He was impressed. He had many cars over the years, but never forgot that electric car some girls were driving. The last car he bought when he was in his '80s was a brand new Toyota Camry hybrid. He loved it.
I have a 2010 MKZ with around 160,000 miles on it. This summer it over heated . I waited until it cooled down, water reservoir was empty and oil was about 2 inches high. First thought was head gasket. I called dealer for price on head gasket replacement, they asked if I was sure if it was that or water pump. I thought they were crazy, I knew GM had engines with the same situation with water pumps but thought Ford was smarter than that (wrong) . After me telling them that, they still wanted to diagnose it them selves. They charged me $170. To tell me I needed an $8000 engine. I ended up taking it to a shop that did the same thing that you proposed, but he suggested dropping the entire engine, he preferred that because of the possibility of breaking the front cover because of tight quarters. He did all that you suggested for around $3,300. I figured I couldn't find a dependable car for that price 😊
Having put 300,000 miles on 3, 3.5 engines... Starting with a 2008 flex and 2 explorer's... I have not had the water pump issue in any of them. My believe is that if you do regular maintenance like changing coolant, spark plugs, transmission change, your chances for issues are low.
Also, wizard, that MKZ is built on the Taurus Chassis. Not Milan of Fusion. Those had 4-cyl. And was a smaller chassis.
Fyi, I am not a Ford guy. But I wanted to share my experiences with you.
Wizard, why don't you film the strut change? I know there are others online that do that, but showing how to fix those common issues at home would be great. Those quick change struts only take 30/min per side.
It is indeed the fusion/Milan chassis, not the Taurus, which also come optional 3.5L.
Correction its built on the 2010-2012 Ford Fusion SPORT Chassis. That setup was the performance variation of the Fusion which is identical mechanically to this Lincoln MKZ. I own a 2010 Sport it's a great car was bought brand new by my Dad. Mines perfect condition as its stored winters and never sees road salt.
I had a 94 lexes es300 that the top bolt of the caliper worked its way out while on 300mi.+ Trip. It happened on the driver side. The top of the caliper was just laying on the inside of the wheel. Though, it made a horrible grinding sound. Ended up fixing it in the parking lot of an AutoZone in about an hour. Tightened up the passenger side too. Scared me half to death. That was about 10 years ago.
Almost every "quick strut" we've installed come back with noise 3 to 6 months later.
Built down to a price like most pattern parts. Had a pattern exhaust - waranteed 1 year - Lasted 15 months. Genuine Nissan exhaust cost twice as much but was still on the car when I sold it six years later.
Good discussion on planned obsolescence at 16 minutes in. This would keep me from buying a car with a timing chain/water pump set-up like this.
The stupidity of having a car with a timing chain, and water pump that is hidden behind a timing cover astounds me.
Cars that employ that kind of philosophy, (just get a new 30,000 car! Stop fixing it!). need to be boycotted.
I like Nissan sr20de(t) water pump setup. It’s a 30-60 minute job. Just 5 bolts and accessory belt removal.
The wizard staff joke has me dying, I love these videos
Shame, it's a good looking car. Sleeper look like a G8 (except with none of the performance potential lol)
The new ones with the 3.0 V6 has the Performance Potential, it comes with 400hp front the factory
The new 2017+ ones with the twin turbo are sleepers. The older one...nah
I have a 2014 MKS , they have a version which has the same motor setup as the Taurus SHO , quite a sleeper
Everything has performance potential if you don't care about money.
Robert But they were not good cars because of the stupid water pump driven by the timing chain. It doesn’t matter if it’s an Ecoboost or not. It’s got the same water pump as the naturally aspirated 3.5 and 3.7 FWD V6.
Great video. I like how you explain everything and make it very easy to understand. I have a 2008 Mkz with the 3.5 and did not know that about the water pump. That was an added bonus that people like "me" Really appreciate! Thanks Again!
Car Wizzard: I don't like those strut sets either. Are the springs they come with any good and matched to weight of the car, or should that Lincoln and others with those strut packages get new coils, too?
Thanks
The springs are a close enough copy from China, as is everything else. Car companies put millions into designing the right springs, so I'll reuse them with quality struts and good mounts.
Working on struts can be extremely dangerous, so I dont begrudge mechanics from using the quick struts and saving their limbs and a bunch of time. But if you want original ride quality, doing them the right way is the way to go.
G'day Wiz. I am a cranky, crusty old Engineer from Australia and I feel your pain. Idiots who buy cheap cars then expect me to perform miracles (cheap repairs). I can go broke sitting on a beach rather than loose money working on these junkers. A vehicle is a complicated piece of machinery...if you can't afford to maintain one, catch a bus.
Hey is that a Mercedes w220 in the background?
It’s junk. That’s the worst S-Class ever made. But it’s fun while everything works. It’s an endless money pit.
Yes and yes.
@@atx-cvpi_99 lol. When you drive any s class let me know. Until then you can sit in the front seat of a p71 for a while instead of the back 🤣
@@fordTH7335 even the wizard admits that gen of S class isn't for people that don't know how to maintain them. That said though I love the V8s specifically in these era of Mercs.
What a refreshing REAL video. Thank God and the Devil. Thumbs up!
It’s really a shame. I always love the looks inside and out of the MKZ from this era. The front wheel drive-based vehicles using the 3.5 and 3.7 engines are ones I will personally never buy. Ford should be sued for creating such a stupid design and forcing it down the throat of the American public. I read somewhere on a Ford forum from a engineer that Ford couldn’t fit the water pump externally in the engine bay. Sounds like BS to me… The 3.0 had the water pump attached to the cam shaft near the airbox for years. Ford generated tons of additional automobile waste that could’ve been perfectly driven to a quarter million miles have they designed the better. What a colossal failure. And I am a big fan of Ford… I drive a Town Car my water pump takes 15 minutes to change at best.
Ford cyclone 3.5l and 3.7l engines are fairly reliable my 2007 Lincoln mkz currently have over 230,000 Miles, I see lots of Ford, Lincoln, mercury and Mazda vehicles still on the road with those engines.
My 09 mkz 3.5L lasted to 208k before I got rid of it never had to change the water pump so it is possible. I recently bought a 08 mkz and the water pump was bad the guy was practically getting rid of it, changed the pump and timing chain runs perfect.
@@solomontillman1574 That's really their only fault - the stupid water pump.
@@toxicgrape great deal for DIY Joe who can handle such a job. But a lot of room for error doing the job too.
We finally got a buy this, not that video for Jeep yesterday. The Car Wizard just forgot the Grand Cherokee, because it is one of my favourite Jeep's in the North American market. I am still waiting one for Lincoln, because this MKZ is always a nightmare with the water pump. The Town Car is one of the best sedans in the market. Also, I am waiting for one for Mazda, because the Mazda 3 is one of the best compact vehicles ever made.