Farmall M Vs Super M: The Differences
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- In this video we discuss the differences between a Farmall M and Super M, including both the Stage 1, and Stage 2 Super M. We fire up some tractors and move them around so that I can get the grass cut.... And we have a little trouble with the Moline. Going to have to figure those issues out... Ah well, that's the old tractor life!
I'm a raised on northwest Elk River farm kid. As soon as I heard ya say Nowthen? I laughed saying to myself that you're in Minnesota! Enjoyed this video. We ran Farmalls. F14, 340, 560D and 806D.
Oh yes, I am only about 13 miles from the Nowthen show grounds! Sounds like you had a decent gathering of IH tractors!
Thanks for the video. I have watched a few of yours today. Have a 53 Super M 12 V conversion already done, still on points though. Any way reason I was watching is I need to reseal my belly pump and the manual I have says to make a bar to get the clearance to drop the pump. A professional Auto tech by trade (41 years wrenching) so I shouldn’t get into too much trouble. Lol. Thanks again.
Dropping the pump isn't too difficult - just be careful as they are awkward and heavy (well over 100 lbs). Other than that, everything is pretty straight forward. Good luck and I am very glad you enjoy the video.
Yes sir he is, I haven’t been up to see him for a while I need to try to get up there. The only downside is that I always have a whole truck load of treasures when I leave
Leaving with treasure is always fun, though!
kenny: on that third farmall you started it was running on 2 cylinders for almost a minute after starting so it has sludge on some lifters or guides or piston rings. Not sure but if you run it for 5 or 10 minutes with diesel in the engine oil it should straighten right up without opening it up. Good tractors kenny. beautiful.
Thanks for the heads up. That is the model H that is currently undergoing a FULL restoration to help raise awareness for suicide and mental health! Check out the project on my channel under the 1942 Farmall H playlist, and there is also a GoFundMe set up if you are able to donate to the project! It is for a really good cause that is very important to me.
Stage II really changed the game. Great video 👍
It sure did! Thanks for the nice comment! Stay tuned, got some in the works!
At 24:00 that engine sounds really good,top notch video!.
Thanks bud! Glad you liked the video!
Very nice collection, love the old Farmall's, i have a 1949 Farmall Super A
Thank you, Jan! Yes, I have seen many of your videos. Your Super A is beautiful!
Been watching your vids. I'm a Farmall guy myself, live in Otsego. My dad farmed in Iowa with an H and later a 706.
elkmike23 a local guy! Awesome! If you head out to Nowthen, look for me! Sounds like your family has had its share of iconic tractors.
Sounds good, I've been to the show every year the past 10
elkmike23 see you there!
Thanks Kenny for the info on the differences between a Super M stage 1 and 2, also the standard M. Another great program...Skip
PS: Nice yard!
Thanks, Skip! It was nice until I cut it yesterday. The 100 degree temps dried out right out. Not going to waste water when it's this hot.
Hello sir and good morning, I’m a new subscriber and I live in Lynchburg Ohio. I have a small farm and use all antique tractors to get everything done. I’m always looking for another one
Welcome to the channel, Craig! I hope you enjoy what you see. Although, I am not a farmer... I consider myself to have quite the crop of RUST! Feel free to browse around, and check out the restoration I am currently working on, on the 1942 Farmall H. We are doing it to raise money and awareness for suicide and mental health. Heck, you can even donate to the cause if you wish! Here is the first video in the series (link to the GoFundMe in the description of the video)! ruclips.net/video/wGXcSAj-sbk/видео.html
Buy yourself another old Farmall, sell the Minne Mo, they were never too popular around here. My neighbor was the only guy, I ever knew to have any. Although the MM with a full cab was way before their time. But I doubt you will ever find one of those, they are pretty exspensive too.
I actually had to sell the tractor due to family circumstance. I'd like to get another. Yes, the UDLX is an expensive tractor. I've seen them sell over $200,000!
I'm new to the old Farmall game and you're the best resource I've found so far for informational videos. Do you have a forum or any way to answer more specific questions about my H?
Hello Corey, and welcome! Glad you are enjoying the channel - you can always e-mail me at kenny.kizzle@yahoo.com. Otherwise, check out the Farmall H restoration playlist - I completely disassembled the tractor and rebuilt it from the ground up with many of the viewers as team mates. We are restoring the tractor to help raise awareness for suicide and mental health. You can also check out the forums at the website below: www.ytmag.com
I found your channel through a friend Richard Akins
Richard is a great guy! He has a LOT of knowledge... Great tips and tricks, and he has helped with the '42 H project as well. I love his channel!
Could you do a video of all the differences between early and late ford tractors also? I would watch videos like this all day because its great to be able to spot a truly original tractor.
Caleb, I am glad you enjoy the videos I have... To tell you the truth, I don't know too much about the Ford tractors. I can try to learn a little and do a video sometime in the next couple months... I can't even tell the difference between an 8N/9N/2N.. Probably wouldn't kill me to do a little research!
@@KennyKizzleRustyNutzRanch More Farmall and International Tractors is good. too. I have dug out a few differences between early and late 1066's but International grabbed parts and built tractors especially in lat 1976 so documentation is hard to come by.
@@calebweaver3628 I don't get too much into the new generation tractors (for me that is anything built after about 1955 or so).. They are really just of little interest to me. There are some GREAT tractors from those eras, some real workhorses.. But I like the old WWII era and before.. Just something about those things that grab me!
At 6:56 or so when you start the M it's throwing sparks! Check the vid and look at the bottom of the battery. Love that M, just a heads up!
Thanks for the heads up! Yes, I know it has been doing that lately. The starter button needs replacing - this one is probably from several decades ago. Time for it to go!
mine needs replacing as well, i just tap the starter cable to the battery to turn it on
Ya. I think this switch is probably at least from the 60's or 70's. It is quite old, and to replace it would be cheap - I just haven't done it yet.
17$ i just got mine in the mail, havent got around to installing it
Great video as always. You had to pick the hottest day of the season. Lol. Let us know what you find on the Z
Yes sir I agree it’s awesome until I get home and have to explain it to my financial advisor ( my wife)
I wonder if your advisor works for the same company as mine? Ha ha ha
Good running old tractors.put some seat time on my fathers mmZ. 4 slow speeds.and fast 5th. Started on gas.when warm switched to kerosene. Just ran on gas last few years it was used tho
Thanks, Mark! Those Z's really are quick in road gear. The only thing I don't care for is the SLOOOOOOW reverse gear. Man does that thing creep! But it is a fun tractor to operate!
@@KennyKizzleRustyNutzRanch yes it does creep.good for backing hay wagons in barn. Seeing it brought back memories.
I have heard that many times - the creeper reverse was good for backing wagons. Glad I could stimulate some old memories for you!
@@KennyKizzleRustyNutzRanch yup.can still picture it running the McCormick silage blower with the belt. Had like a bulldozer track that pulled full length corn into it and blew up in silos. It got sold.hard to start.lol it sat in barn for years. Still have a 1947 bf avery with front mount cultivators sitting there. First tractor bought .pretty sure it still run. Old silage blower still in barn too.
Too bad we don't have any videos of that! Would be fun to watch and listen to the old girl load up! Sounds like you might have a small weekend project on your hands with that Avery.... :-)
that's a nice display a tractors you have, you know I'm a case guy, you already have an SC, now you need to add a DC to your collection :)
Thank, Jeff! I have a couple tractors on my list yet. My goal is to get at least one from every era from the 1920's to the 1950's... I have to start branching out of the 1940's! I'm thinking a C or CC would be a nice addition to my collection, though!
I used to hav 1930 CC, ran real good, a lot of power for only being 3600 lbs
@@jeffcolt9185 There is one not too far from me for a good price... But with a baby on the way my tractor collecting is at a standstill!
Kenny Kizzle aw good luck with that :)
@@jeffcolt9185 Thanks!
You got them all tuned good start easy
I try my best!
Thanks for the video. Nice collection of tractors, I know you are not a farmer. I wonder how many tractors you have if you were a farmer. I am an owner of 1942 Farmall. I wish you can do a maintenance video. Keep those videos coming. I forgot post when you do Farmall restoration lol
I like to tell people that I farm rust.... Every year, the rust comes in a little thicker! My wife has put a cap on how many tractors I can have - 8. I have 7 now, and I know what I want #8 to be. What kind of maintenance video would you like to see? What model Farmall do you have?
Keep your foot off the clutch pedal while in motion
Rest assured, no pressure is applied. It's more of a footrest.
My dad learnt me and my brothers years ago if your foot was on the pedal he told you once the next time it was a slap up side the head and then he told you again. Don't know what would happen the third time never tried to find out. He was a truck driver as 2 of us boys. He was a great guy.
@@lewdempsey3232 sounds like a great teacher! What was his reason for not resting your foot on the clutch pedal?
Said you would burn the throw bearing up
@@lewdempsey3232 I could definitely see that if your pressing the clutch pedal, taking up the free travel.
Question, where is the
Battery on a stage one Farmall super m under the seat still ?
Under the fuel tank
Great video! I've searched everywhere and cannot find out what "MJ" means as a suffix on a '53 Super M, serial # SM F32164 MJ. Do you know? I know J is rockford clutch, but M?
The M stands for Low-Low speed gearing. The J is rockford clutch.
@@KennyKizzleRustyNutzRanch thank you! I search google for 2 hours with no luck!
@@anthonywilliams5830 You're very welcome!!!
Would you know where a guy can get Minneapolis Moline parts for the 206 b B4 I have one in 4000 lbs lift truck looking for oil filters or adapter to go to spin on filter there a napa 1108 they seem to be discontinued by every manufacturer unless you're self or anyone else has a source maybe a engine rebuild kit they called them the milk stool engine because you could Rebuild from a stool in a tractor anyway not so easy in a forklift I think my forklift might be kind of rare only seen one other one for sale on utube can't find much infro it's a 1962
One suggestion if nothing else works is to contact the Wix filter people and ask to speak to a tech rep. They are proud of their product line and might have a Plan B that would help you. No doubt other filter manufacturers would serve as well but I had good luck with the Wix people years ago. Good luck.
Hey lm looking for an old A John Deere yours isn’t for sale is it
I have considered selling it. Give me a shout at kenny.kizzle@yahoo.com
Does the M&M have a mag or a distributor? Maybe the wires are corroded on the mag, or a bad ground?
It was a fresh magneto. The issue was a plugged fuel outlet in the tank.
@@KennyKizzleRustyNutzRanch That's good and easy to fix. I wondered because you weren't sure if it was getting spark. From watching Squatch I learned that the ground wires on mags have to be clean on a good ground or they don't work right. I never had a mag on anything myself. Squatch the teacher!
@@jamesdiehl8690 Yessir. I am pretty familiar with mags having worked with Rudy on the side for a couple years now. Clean connections are very important. Squatch is definitely an old iron guru!
you can brake the cam gear on a 400 if the oil is too heavy in the winter. ask my younger boy.
oldfarmjunk101 another good point! I usually use standard Hytran in the pumps, for the service manual calls for 30w in summer and 10w in winter.
Great video! I think you’ve got that H too close to that John Deere of yours, lol! It sounded a bit like that John Deere when you first started it up, Johnny Poppers disease, lol! Our Super M did that when it first started to loose power, you’d have to wait a while for it to smooth out before you could move it or even throttle it up, what a pain.
Hey, thanks Connor! So far, the two tractors are getting along, I think the H just likes to mock the JD. LOL. I think I have a sticky valve on start up for the H. That tractor could probably use an engine rebuild. Runs strong, but I don't even know if anyone has ever opened it up. Would like to do a full restoration on this thing one day. Well, on all of them... But for now they look just fine!
Kenny Kizzle Maybe all it needs is to get back to what it’s meant to do, farm work! I could easily solve that issue. It could just be that after sitting for as long as it did, the parade duty isn’t fixing any problems and once it works a little harder than disking it would free up some, it’s hard to say though. We should have thrown it on a plow and seen how she did! Heck we should have put them all on a plow, but I was being a plow hog, lol.
It definitely needs to be worked! It ran the best when we were at plow day. Lots more plowing to do in the future!
Check into that spark thing.
Tractor was sold. Wasn't the spark. Had gunk in the tank plugging up the outlet
I am looking for a radiator for a F-20. Any ideas?
If you're looking for a new core, get ahold of Rice Equipment, Co.
You should get that m restored they look so pretty
MoOutdoors Tv I will when I get my pole barn. Doesn't pay to put a nice paint job on something that is going to sit outside.
Did you change the tires back before you sold the Super M?
Absolutely. Wasn't going to let those 15.5's go with it!
Should of kept that Super M!
Didn't have a choice. It eases either the M or Super M. I've got way too much love and labor into that old M.
Sounds like the Minnie's mag needs to go to Rudy.
Matt Stewart yes sir. Tested the spark and I've got nothing. Rudy is going to fix me up in the morning!
Nice to have a mag resource close at hand!
Matt Stewart sure is! And he has become a good friend because of it!
my super m is a stage 1 and it has the battery under the seat
Peterbilt 359 sometimes you find that. I would say that someone installed it at some point for convenience. But, you never know. Sometimes the factory runs out of parts and they grab what they have.
I know it was factory because amish farmers bought it brand new in 1953 to run a sawmill and then they parked it in a barn, it had the original tires and everything
Peterbilt 359 yeah sometimes that happens. Big thing is the stage 2 had live hydraulics.
Hey an old Moline z?
Yes sir! A 1944 ZTU!
Do you have to roll the engine over to swap the camshafts? I think you ought to put the pump on the M and let the super M go. Hopefully the Moline is a simple fix.
You don't have to swap the entire cam, just the cam drive gear. Pull the front cover off, pull the gear, and install the new gear.... Super M is up for sale - spent some time pulling the loader and rear tires off today. Minneapolis has no spark, so I will be taking that back to Rudy and he will fix me right up!
Kenny Kizzle Well I would put the pump on the M. Then you have what you were looking for in the super M. All in all it will make moving snow less wear on the clutch and tranny. Don't overdo it in the heat.
Jeff Ticen we will see. Be kind of mean to bastardize a nice Super M though. If it doesn't sell maybe I will.
how much do you want for the farmall m?
I have decided to keep the M and sell the Super M. I am asking $2000 obo for the Super M.
where are you located?
john dowe East Bethel, MN.
damn i wish you werent so far away, i just bought a farmall m narrow front with a fel for 1800, i paid 1300 for the tractor but transport costs got to me
john dowe.... You could always make a weekend out of it! :-D
Those tires are getting cracked up good
farmwork686 2017 which ones? Lol. Long as they hold air I'll use them as long as I can.
Same gear and in the m
farmwork686 2017 Yeah they are weather checked but they have pretty good tread yet
From Guy Fay's IH Tractor Data book:
M - 1st - 2 5/8 MPH Super M - 1st - 2 5/8 MPH 2nd - 3 MPH 2Nd - 3 3/4 MPH 3rd - 4 1/4 MPH 3rd - 5 MPH 4th - 5 1/8 MPH 4th - 6 3/4 MPH 5th - 16 3/8 MPH 5th - 16 3/4 MPH Rev - 3 1/8 MPH Rev - 3 5/8 MPH
Carb drain on mm was handy wash off hands my father did. Course now ud know not good for u.
I've used gas many times to wash my hands. Not recently, as dawn dish soap works almost just as good. Gasoline on the hands is definitely not the best choice.
I was not interested in you cutting the lawn or what you are going to sell. I believe you know very little about tractors.
Are there any videos I could make that you would want to see? I am always looking for suggestions!
I really enjoyed the video Idk what the fuck your problem is. I've learned a lot about the Farmall M series just from watching 2 or 3 if his videos. If you didnt enjoy the video fine, but you dont have to be disrespectful.